Mets Drub Threshers; August 4, 2014

Nic Hanson made his first start of the season with the Threshers after 3 rehab starts in the GCL where he pitched 5 hitless innings in his last appearance. Hanson pitched well in Lakewood last season before being promoted to Clearwater for 5 so-so August starts. He’s tall at 6’7 and features 3 pitches – a high 80s fastball that ranges from 86-90, a change up, and a slider. The slider is still a work in progress, but the change up is an effective secondary pitch. Hanson came into the game on an 80 pitch limit.

Tonight, Hanson pitched effectively through 4 innings. He allowed a single and double to start the game, and both runners scored, but he allowed only 2 singles and a 2 walks (one of them intentional) through the end of the fourth inning. He left after allowing 2 base hits to start the fifth inning and having thrown 76 pitches. His line –

  • 4.0 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP

Hanson pitching facts –

  • Faced 20 batters.
  • Threw 11 first pitch strikes.
  • Of 76 pitches, 45 strikes. Of 45 strikes – 7 swinging, 9 called, 12 foul balls, 17 in play.
  • Of the 17 in play – 3 line drive base hits, 2 ground ball base hits, 1 soft liner for a hit, 1 ground ball error, 5 ground outs, 3 fly outs, 2 pop ups.
  • After the 1B and 2B in the first, Hanson got 2 ground outs to short and an inning ending fly ball to right.
  • The second out in the second inning was on a caught stealing by Gabriel Lino.
  • 1-2-3 third inning.
  • The unearned run in the fourth inning was almost avoided but the Threshers couldn’t convert an inning ending double play. The call was close but correct.
  • After a lead off double in the fifth inning, the runner scored when Roman Quinn overran a soft single to center.

Jeb Stefan came on in relief and quickly walked the first two batters to load the bases.  A sac fly scored the inherited runner. Stefan walked a third batter before getting out of the inning.  He did manage a 1-2-3 sixth inning.

Perci Garner came out in the seventh inning on a rehab assignment. He recorded 2 walks, a wild pitch, 2 hits, 2 runs and 2 strike outs in his first inning of work. He began by throwing 11 of 14 balls. Garner seemed to get stronger with each batter he faced. After starting walk, wild pitch, double, walk, Garner recorded 3 strike outs looking and 3 ground balls in his two innings.  Unfortunaetly one of the ground balls was an infield single.

Offensively, the Threshers went down in order through the first 3 innings. However, the Mets’ starter ran into trouble the second time through the line up. Roman Quinn lined a double down the right field line to start the fourth. Angelo Mora then poked a single through the hole on the left side. J.P. Crawford lined an RBI single to score the Thresher’s first run. Art Charles smacked a line drive to the second baseman and Crawford was doubled up on a controversial call. Brian Pointer kept the inning going by working a walk. Harold Martinez stroked an RBI single to center drive in Mora. When the centerfielder missed the ball, the speedy Pointer also scored.

Crawford started another rally with a lead off walk in the sixth inning. After a Charles strike out and a Pointer single, Martinez came through with another RBI single. The rally fizzled when Martinez was picked off first.

The Threshers showed a lot of persistence coming back from 3-0 to tie the score, and 5-3 to make it 5-4.  However, The defense and pitching kept failing and they finally lost 10-4.

Fun facts –

  • For the second time in a week, the Threshers set a team record for the longest 9-inning game.
  • Roman Quinn went 2-5 with a double, a run scored, and a steal.
  • Quinn’s error was a “hustle” error as he charged a softly hit ball to prevent a runner from scoring from second.  Unfortunately, the runner was being held up and scored on the error anyway.
  • Quinn’s 24th steal moves him into a tie for third in the FSL.
  • Quinn has reached base in 19 consecutive games.
  • Crawford went 2-3 with a walk, run scored, and an RBI.
  • Crawford is now hitting .282.
  • Martinez went 3-4 with 2 RBI.
  • Base running mistales killed two rallies – Crawford being doubled off first, and Martinez being picked off first.
  • The Threshers’ comitted 4 errors.  The other 3 were charged to Martinez, Mora, and Walter.
  • Lino was charged with 2 passed balls.  (I thought one of them should have been a wild pitch.)
  • In an unusual double switch while the Mets were bringning in a left-handed pitcher to face Chris Serritella, Manager Nelson Prada countered with Brian Short as a pinch hitter.  He also replaced first base coach, Anthony Phillips, with Jordan Guth.  (jk, Phillips had to gett ready to play third for Martinez who would play first for Serritella since Charles was the DH.)
  • With the score 7-4 and 2 men on, Pointer crushed the first pitch to left.  The left fielder raced back to the wall, jumped, and brought back the game-tying 3-run homer run.
  • Didn’t matter, Kevin Walter gave up 3 runs (2 earned) in the top of the ninth on 3 hits, 2 fielding errors, and a walk.
  • Crawford made a couple of nice plays at short.

Reliever Effectiveness.  Just because they provide me with this information –

Inherited Runners


Strand %

Meadors, Mark




Nunez, Miguel




Forsythe, Cody




Stefan, Jeb




Martinez, Lino




Joaquin, Ulises




Ridenhour, Lee




Guth, Jordan




Child, Dan




Oviedo, Ramon




Stewart, Ethan




Walter, Kevin




I don’t think “Effectiveness” is a proper descriptor for most of these percentages.

The Threshers start a 4 game series tomorrow against the Daytona Cubs.  Daytona features 2 of the Cubs top prospects – #8 Kyle Schwarber and #9 Bill McKinney.  McKinney was Oakland’s first round pick in 2013, #24 overall, and part of the Samardzija/Hammel deal.  Schwarber was the Cubs first round pick this year, #4 overall.  He is ranked as the 78th best overall prospect and 6th best catching prospect even though he has played 21 games as an outfielder and only 14 as a catcher.  I would have liked to have seen Nola pitch against the Cubs before his promotion to Reading.


22 thoughts on “Mets Drub Threshers; August 4, 2014

  1. Jim can you tell me how Pointer looks out there. How is his swing, speed. And if you don’t mind…does Quinn look like a completely different player. His numbers are breaking out and appears to be playing with ton of confidence. Thanks

  2. Pointer is a nice looking player. I neglected to mention that he picked up his 11 outfield assist tonight, trailing only long since promoted Pete Lavin (14) for the team lead. He is agressive at the plate and has more pop in his bat (second on the team with 11 HRs) than I would expect. In fact, he leads the team in RBIs and is tied for walks (31). He’s had 370 PA. He makes decent contact, but has 97 Ks (about 26%). He’s exciting to watch for a .240 hitter. He’s pretty quick home-to-first, first-to-third. He runs the bases real smart and covers ground in the outfield. But, he’s 10-17 stealing.

    Actually, Quinn does not look any different. He has always exuded the same confidence and swagger that he has now. He’s just getting on base more, earlier in games and letting him run seems to have become a priority. They couldn’t always take advantage of his speed when he reached first in a 7-1 game. Now, they are playing small ball when he gets on early, having Mora or Phillips bunt him over AFTER he steals so that Crawford can drive him in. I’ve seen them play for one even when trailing 3-0. He says he kinda misses SS, so I don’t think the position change was as important to him as we it was to us.

  3. Great report. Quinn and JP keep producing. Love looking in box score and seeing Quinn with a steal every game. Crawford just seems to find his way on base a couple times every game.

  4. Very good detailed reporting as usual Jim.
    I wonder if you will see any new faces coming up to CLW in the next week or so?

  5. I must admit Crawford is really getting me excited. I love how he started slow and is coming on. to me that means he learns guick. The kid made the adjustments he needed to succeed at the next level, There is not one good reason he shouldn’t start at reading next year.

  6. Another wasted high round pick, Perci Garner…..played 2 sports in college & fit the physical proto-type the Phils were looking for, only lacked baseball skills.

    1. Hope that philosphy of drafting is past history from the Phillies. With this latest draft class they may headed in another ‘less high risk/high reward toolsy’ direction.

  7. Not to pile on, but ANOTHER 2nd round wasted pick, Harold Martinez, with plenty of questions about his lack of power when he was drafted by members on here…………for the most part, many of the high round selections that have turned out to be complete busts, they were criticized on those specific draft days by the people with the most insight who posted on this site……..

    1. I’m not gonna argue that neither of those guys have worked out. It’s clear that they haven’t but if you look at the Martinez draft , it actually hasn’t been a bad draft by the

      1. Sorry got cut off and posted by accident but the 11 draft actually has a shot to be pretty good. Asche and Giles are already up and have been contributing. Quinn is a top 5 prospect and playing real good right now. Then there’s Morgan who was looking like a major league starter until he got hurt. Now he’s a wild card but all in all I don’t think that draft was that bad.

  8. Under the circumstances, I don’t think the year could have gone much better for Quinn – after the top 3 (Crawford, Franco, Nola), I’m pretty sure I’ll have Quinn 4th. Call it a hunch, but I think he ends next year in the majors (September cup of coffee). I’m anticipating a huge breakout season in Reading for him next year. I’m beginning to wonder if, after adjusting with the bat, it might be worth it to try Quinn at second. Can you imagine Crawford and Quinn being the DP combination for this team? That would be dynamite.

      1. I’m a huge Biddle fan (and, personally, my son knows his cousin and his family seems to be a bunch of really great people and he seems like a great kid too), but he’s probably sitting in the 7-9 range now until he can show that he’s gotten it all back together. With a few good starts he’d be in that 5 or 6 range. A few more clunkers and he’s 10 or lower. Wouldn’t surprise me if he achieved his potential or if he veered into Joe Savery territory – he’s at a cross roads rights now.

    1. IMO. I rather have Andrew Pullin playing second when the day comes. I like his bat and the power he could bring to that position. Quinn’s speed in CF …and arm….are a plus that the Phillies currently do not have in both assets.

    2. My thoughts exactly for the first four. I have Biddle fifth because I think he will overcome his non-physical difficulties. It is good to experience some hard knocks, as long as you aren’t overwhelmed by them. He was overwhelmed. I think he will come back. We certainly need him to do it.

    3. I think they’ll leave Quinn in CF. We obviously have a huge hole in Philly for a strong defensive CF and Quinn would look very good there. I suspect he’ll go to Arizona this year too. I don’t know if we’ll see Quinn or Crawford in Philly in Sept 2015 (we didn’t see Franco last year) but with good seasons in 15, they’ll definitely be fighting for major league jobs in 2016, for a terrible team. I don’t think anyone else from the CWater team will make the majors (now that Nola has moved on) unfortunately, although Nunez and Forsythe may have a shot in the pen.

  9. Just really excited to see Crawford and Quinn playing together. Very bright spots for the organization. Do they play at Reading next year to start?

    1. I think so. At this point there’s really no reason not to. I thought initially that JP would at least start in CWater but the way he’s playing I say not? As far as Quinn were already gonna be dealing with a crowded OF in CWater. I see no reason y he won’t be in Reading next year.

      1. Crawford seems to be hitting okay but I am still a little concerned about the number of errors. As you move up in levels, batters have to adjust to better pitching in order to continue to move up. With defensive skills the balls being hit at a player are now different at each level so I assume that it is the number of reps that help a player to improve in his fielding. Hopefully as his fielding chances increase his errors will decrease. I like Quinn’s agressiveness (confidence in his own ability) on the base paths.

        1. They aren’t mechanical errors. He moves well to the ball. He positions himself well to receive the ball. He throws exceptionally well. The mechanics are there. I can’t explain the fielding errors, but it’s like it’s a concentration thing. He’s been handcuffed on a couple of bounces, but sometimes a ball will glance off his glove after he establishes perfect position. It happens, but it’s correctable. I’m not as worried as you. Now, his hitting is really something to get excited about. He was supposed to be more glove than bat. He has shown remarkable plate discipline since his promotion from Lakewood. He’s 19 and at .282 leads his Clearwater team in batting average by 20 points.

          1. His batting average is more but he haven’t play as many games as the other players .

    2. I think so. There’s nobody blocking them in Reading. Anyone in their way from here on up has to worry about being squeezed out of the organization. IMO.

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