78 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 27 July 2011

  1. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (PHI-9/13/87) – (.251) 1 for 2 with an RBI (18), BB, K
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (CLW-8/14/90)- (2-5, 3.96) – 5 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 3 K’s (loss)
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (CLW-8/18/91)- (.284) –1 for 3 with a 2B (14), BB, K
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.263) – 0 for 4
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.272) – 1 for 3 with a run, BB, CS (2), K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.283) – 0 for 5 with 2 K’s
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (LHV-1/7/89) – (0-0, 3.00, 1 SV) – 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K’s (save)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.285) – 0 for 3 with a BB, K
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.277) – 2 for 3 with a BB, SB (6)


    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.222) 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
    2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.206) 0 for 4 with a K
    2B – Carlos Valenzuela (GCL-9/18/90) – (.343)- 1 for 4 with a run, K
    3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) –(.279) 1 for 4 with a HR (11), RBI (49)
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.267) 0 for 3 with BB, K
    3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.270) – 0 for 3 with a BB
    3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.288) – 2 for 4 with a K
    3B – Willians Astudillo (VSL-10/14/91) –(.353) 2 for 4 with a run
    SS – Freddy Galvis (REA-11/14/89) – (.265) –0 for 4 with a K
    SS – Tyler Greene (GCL-12/1/92) – (.250) 1 for 4 with a 2B (1), 2 RBI (2), 2 K’s
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.276) – 0 for 3 with a K
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.267) – 1 for 3
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL-6/10/94) – (.282) – 0 for 3
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (REA-9/17/85) – (4-4, 4.45) –2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K’s
    RHP – Justin Friend (REA-6/21/86) – (0-1, 1.29, 7 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    RHP – Colin Kleven (WIL-4/15/91) – (2-3, 4.15) – 4 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 K (loss)
    RHP – Colton Murray (WIL-4/22/90) – (0-2, 4.26) 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

    1. I look forward to them as well. Thank you for taking the time to compile all that information.

    1. ketch your work is greatly appreciated, as is 90percent of the people who post on this site……

    2. Greene’s K rate is out of control. He’s gonna need to cut that down if he’s ever gonna have a major league career.

  2. Aumont comes in and gets an easy save. Brown getting questions from the media about his “game-changing” mistake tonight. Cole Hamels gave up the line drive. It seems like the media is trying to run him out of town. Routine plays he’s fine, but line drives cause a problem. It’s not fair to hang the loss around Brown’s neck. Nobody hit much.
    Rivero goes deep for number 11. Friend still impressive in relief. Dugan showing speed.

    1. No but he is terrible in RF. We can argue potential, etc but right now today he is a liability in RF.

      1. no argument from me about how poor Brown has been in RF. Hopefully he can improve over the offseason, but it’s painful to watch him right now.

        1. How many years has he been in the system and he has not shown much improvement, even on routine fly balls he looks like a 9 year old little leaguer trying to catch his first fly ball. I have serious concerns he will even be average in the outfield.

          1. FWIW, I saw a very young Andrew Jones look lost on a number of balls when he played right field in Atlanta back in the day. Dom won’t be Andrew Jones, of course, but youth is youth.

  3. Good to see Tyler Greene start playing. Like the double for Pointer.
    Nice game for Dugan- three times on base and a steal. And two more hits for Martinez.
    Double and walk for Singleton, good. Ugly line for Colvin- more walks than Ks is never a good sign.
    Rosenberg relieving again. Good job there.
    Nice appearance for Aumont.

  4. Welcome to Pro Ball Tyler Greene!! Nice to see Aumont come off the DL with a save. The strike out numbers between him, De Fratus , and Schwimer have been awesome.

  5. GCL- see the line-up starts with the newly demoted Witer Jimenez, then T. Greene, and Pointer next, If they stick with that till season’s end, can see that working out for awhile. Defensive alignment with T. Greene at SS, goes Valenzuela to 2B, and the 3B/DH combo of Drew Hillman and Trey Ford. Villalobos sits. Valenzuela and Villalobos have hit so far in GCL season. The drafted 3B types except for something from the bit older Hillman have not excelled as yet. That is why they should sign the drafted Mitchell Walding (over the bleats of the “sign only one ShortStop, ShortStops should only play SS, and play all the time” crowd. Also the Catchers at GCL have not excelled. Adding the top drafted catcher, Riler Moore, or failing that one of the other HS catchers, would help the goal of having at least one promising GCL moving up to Short Season type, when the next Extended Spring Training rolls around.

  6. Great to see Tyler Greene getting into a game. Also nice to see him hitting second and doubling in his first game.

    Pointer has been a doubles machine. 10 2bs and 13 overall extra base hits in his first 100 at bats.

  7. Brody Colvin- 5 IP, 5 hits 5 walks- tsk, tsk. I believe even the numerate could figure out, that comes out to around a 2.00 Walks and Hits per inning pitched. I wonder if he was the “lesser light pitching prospect” as described in the ESPN report that Houston had accepted an offer of “Cosart, Singleton, and a lesser light pitching prospect” or something like that for Hunter Pence , but later backed out of it.

    Ruf- playing more in LF now, of course at that level currently they have little else to play OF. Ruf should move up a bit, looking like could develop into MLB reserve player candidate, shortly.

      1. Yikes. Pretty much the top 3 prospecs in our system. If thats not good enough for Houston to move a good but not great OFer, then let em try and pry Teheran away from ATL.

  8. At-a-boy HMART keep pressing and hopefully you’ll get to start the season CLW next year…Still wondering when the power numbers will start to flash.

    You can’t hang that loss on DBROWN last night. Put it in on the overpaid .249 hitting strikeout machine that continues to fail more than he comes up big in big situations. Sorry but I can’t stand watching him anymore.

    There are at least 5 other 1B in the league I would trade for straight up that are making less than he is. RAJ please don’t get rid of Singleton. Something tells me we’re going to need him.

    1. DMAR, I agree that the loss shouldn’t be blamed on Brown who drove in the only Phillies run. If Brown doesn’t dive, there are runners at the corners and no outs, so the run probably scores anyway. But don’t hang it on Howard, either. Baseball is a game in which even he best hitters fail 60 or 70% of the time. Howard isn’t the only one who didn’t hit last night.

      1. I am tough on Howard I admit. Heavy is the head that wears the crown that is to be expected. When you are the highest paid position player on the team more is going to be expected of you.

        Its only my opinion and I’m not saying its right. I just believe he could walk more and strikeout less. I don’t expect him to hit .300 but I do expect him to be better in OPS and SLG.

        1. You’re overreacting. What Ryan Howard makes should be of no concern to you or any of the fan base and it’s a poor excuse for getting on him. Ryan Howard has come up big this year, last year, and every year he’s been a pro ball player. It’s just Phillies fans have to see the negative in everything the guy does.

          After the off season, when you see the contracts Fielder and Pujols get, Howard’s is going to look like a bargain.

          As far as Brown… You can’t hang that loss on him simply because the run would have scored anyway. That doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t do anything right out in right field. That doesn’t mean I want to give up on him, I’m just saying that he’s bad out there and that needs to improve.

          1. overreacting? Possibly but don’t say what a player makes should be of no concern. That is plain ludicrous especially when you’re talking about a $100+ million contract. An educated fan base knows when a guy underperforms his $’s it effects the entire team. It effects the product I pay to watch.

            Ask the Blue Jays about VWells, ask the Cubs about Soriano, effectively their numbers isolated from their salary were decent but you can’t ignore the elephant in the room. Both players were continously ripped in their city soley because they under performed.

            If what you say had any basis then the players union would just agree to pay everyone in the league the same. And if as you say Howards contract relative to what Fielder is going to get is a bargain do you think Bob Melvin is calling RAJ saying “look Rube give us Howard and you take Prince, we’re going to lose him at the end of the season anyway”

            1. The Phillies pay Howard to hit Home Runs and RBI’s which he does. Is it an over payment? Probably, but not a huge over payment.

              Whether or not you think he’s worth it, that’s irrelevant. They thought he was worth it and until his production falls off a cliff, he is worth it. There’s no use getting on him because he’s the highest paid player…

              Are you guys going to get on Cliff Lee if he doesn’t pitch well next year? He’s the highest paid player on the team.

          2. No concern of ours? Well, it is if you want the team to do well and if you realize the opportunity cost of signing him to such a long and highly paid contract.

            1. Hasn’t hurt them yet and you have no idea if it will hurt him. They signed him to avoid the possibility that he has a contract year and plays himself into a better contract.

              There’s no point on worrying about a guys contract.

          3. Pujols is better, and Fielder is both younger and better. I’m not sure they both get more than Howard anyway with the Yanks, Sox, and Phillies out of the bidding. Howard isn’t a top 5 player at his position but he’s paid like one of the top 5 players in baseball. I’m sure he himself is a decent guy and in a vacuum he’s a pretty good player but the signing was a huge overpay.

            1. That’s your opinion of him. Nobody sees the positives with Howard, it’s always the negatives. If Chase Utley got $25 million dollars, nobody would say a word.

          4. When has Howard’s contract hurt the Phillies? It hasn’t. He makes $20 million dollars which is market value when you consider the RBI guys around the league all make that. It’s a poor excuse for getting on Ryan Howard. He earned that contract whether you like it or not.

        2. I’m done arguing. This is off topic and I’ve said what I wanted to.

          I apologize to James but I just find it frustrating when guys don’t appreciate what Howard does for this team and it’s hard not to stick up for him.

  9. Reading Eagle reported today that Sussdorf is out for the season. No report on the nature of the injury.

    1. Wow that’s terrible news for him as he was having a great season. I hope when he returns he gets a legitimate shot at playing every day in AAA.

    2. I looked into Susdorf’s mishap–he fell over the first base bag onto his left shoulder and dislocated it, injuring his knee at the same time. Certainly out for the year. Might be OK for winter ball.

  10. just read at mlbtraderumore.com that Phils offered Cosart and Singelton for Pence but Astors refused. good thing–we would have to oput people on this site on suicide alert if that happened

    1. Jim Salisbury is reporting the Phillies are considering adding Domonic Brown to any trade proposal for Hunter Pence. Shoot me now.

      1. Add Brown but pull back Singleton….just hope no one gets hot for May he is the one pitcher I would hate to lose right now.

    2. This would be serious bizarro world if Ed Wade got Cosart, Singleton, and Brown for Pence.

      1. I find this rumor to be bizarre and frustrating. Why would you give a lot more for Hunter Pence for crying out loud than you gave to acquire Roy Hallday or Cliff Lee? It’s reality check time.

        But, really, if Ed Wade were offered Cosart, Singleton and a grade B prospect for Pence and he turned it down, how stupid is he? He sells Curt Schilling for Padilla and a bunch of garbage, but won’t take two great prospects for Pence who is good, but not great. Ed don’t know _hit from shinola.

        1. But then again if Raj is for some reason seriously considering coming back with a more stacked proposal, maybe Wade just learned his lesson after Schilling. I kinda hope this stuff with Pence stops now. It’d be nice to see some more of our prospects actually hit AA before we deal them. Singleton’s value is going to climb a lot next year if he maintains his current numbers in Reading and it seems like that park is more home run friendly than Clearwater.

  11. On to happier thoughts:) Nice article on Biddle on Baseball America today. It’s for subscribers only so am not sure PP even wants me to cut and past any lines. That said the summary is that while the Clearwater crew, and some other Sally League pitchers, get the pub, not many have pitched better than him. Says fastball is sitting low 90’s and touching 94. Really got it together after his first few starts with a 2.46 era after May 1. Mostly going fastball and curve these days. Righthanders (.218) hitting worse than lefhanders (.233). But nobody hitting a lot – obviously. Manager says key has been fastball command.

    Won’t write much more so I don’t get in trouble for paraphrasing the whole article! But very positive article to say the least.

    1. I wonder if they actually took those readings themselves, i’ve been looking for confirmation on his FB velo for a while now.

      1. I tried to comment on the article to ask but it doesn’t seem like comments are enabled on it.

    2. Yeah if he’s sitting in the 90s that’s good to hear since some PP readers had apparently seen him sitting high 80s.

    3. You can’t get in trouble for discussing a premium (pay) article on a different site, just as you can’t get in trouble for discussing a book or movie that you paid to read or see. However, you may get in trouble if you copy and paste or otherwise distribute the premium article (or book or movie).

      1. Obviously, he’s in need of a double jump to clearwater. WHEN ARE THE PHILLIES GOING TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!?/joke

      2. Will be exciting to see him progress. It’s been awhile since we have had a SS prospect with significant offensive upside.

        1. Keith Law said the complex leagues right now are terrible and the stats are useless for the moment haha.

  12. Apparently, the Padres have dispatched scouts to go watch the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs this week. Obviously to see DeFratus, Schwimmer, and Aumont. Looks like Aumont may have put on a good showing last night, although DeFratus took the loss today.

  13. I just don’t understand why the Phillies are going into “desperation” mode. Giving up two top 5 prospects for pence makes no sense. The Phillies, with the best record in baseball, should be capitalizeing on others desperate teams that need to make trades, not acting this. If a trade is being done because “the core is getting old” or “we need to win now” im going ti puke. In conclusions, any trade where the Phillies “overpay” seems really really dumb.

    1. I guess you need a Trade Deadline thread, because they’re going to argure that they’re talking about prospects.

    2. My biggest life issue right now is that there is nowhere to talk trades/rumors. I can’t go to Phillies nation bc they are clueless. This site has, by far, the most educated people in terms of discussing prospects and trades. Yet, the only option is a weekly thread.

      Why fight it? New players we get in trades are “future Phillies” so I feel like its in line with the sites ethos.

      *please don’t take this as a hostile post. I love this site more than my fiancee

    3. From psujoe:
      Love your site and everything it brings, but I think one way to avoid thread creep would be to pin certain threads somewhere on the top/right margin or wherever convenient. The trade deadline is a big deal this time of year and so are the draft signings(two threads I look at everyday). If they stayed pinned up top and out of the scolling threads I believe it would help keep those discussions separate. Obviously different threads would be pinned at different times, waiver wire, spring training…

      Thanks and again I love this site.

    4. Its just that time of year, James. Sometimes you just have to get out of the way of the wave.

      Thank you for being remarkably easy going about it.

  14. Silly Gooses. Howard has been leading the NL in RBI’s all year.
    Without him we are behind the Mets. He is earning his Salary
    this year. In the future when he does not then complain, and we
    can look back at the overpayment in a Future Year and ask ourselves
    if it was worth it.

    Look at the larger Picture. Would Lee, and then Halladay, and then Oswalt,
    and then Lee again have even come to the Phillies if Howard was not
    Leading the League for years in RBI’s for us?


  15. Rupp still hot—-doubling in two tonight in first palye appearance, He is coming on quickly at the plate. Philly management must be happy to have both him and Valle producing offensively,

  16. Congratulations Austin Hyatt!! I am now paying attention. He’s in AA and he’s dealing – that was when I said I would start taking him seriously. I’d like them to move him to AAA for the last month of the season to see if he can keep it up there.

    1. I just came here to post almost what you just said.

      I’ve been impressed by Austin Hyatt. He’s been solid his last few times out and I agree, I’d like to see him be challenged in AAA.

      1. He did get a mention during the phillies game along with Jiwan James as minor league players of the week.

    2. Hyatt seems a strange case. Though has a deceptive change-up, there remain rumors that his fast ball can barely break a pane of glass…and is as straight as an arrow.

      When he was named the Florida State League best pitcher in 2009 (?), I found it curious that Baseball America’s Best 20 in the FSL failed to include him. Could that have been the scouts opinion that his FB would come to task and his change-up would be close enough to his fb speed that it it wasn’t a challenge for better players to adjust to.

      He also gives up a ton of HRs; about 1 every 8 innings. I had been on his bandwagon hoping he could arm-strengthen his fast ball up several notches and/or at least gain cutter movement on it.

      Don’t know if he has been able to do that AND get better command…but his high # of walks say he hasn’t. I still hope for him; maybe he can get it going in the remainder of 2011.

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