Phillies select outfield prospect Larry Greene Jr

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I’ll have plenty of info in this spot momentarily.

Alright, so here’s the info.

Keith Law Rank: 57th
BA Rank: 75th

The scouting report is simple. He has the most power of any high school prospect in the draft. At 6’1/230, he’s already massive, and can hit a baseball a really long way. Defensively, he’s a LF guy at this point with scouts thinking he might have to move to 1B eventually. He hasn’t played against a ton of great competition, but hes coming from Georgia, so its not like he’s from Wyoming where they have no high school baseball. As you know by now, the Phillies generally look for elite tools, normally they go for all around tools packages, especially guys with speed. Greene is the complete opposite, as his value is basically tied to his power. But that power could be really special, like, 40 HR power special. The system lacks legit power prospects, and Greene certainly fits the bill there. The Phillies obviously believe he can play LF, and that he can make contact and make adjustments. Can he? We’ll see.

Not a crazy reach, and he helps fill the “power void” in the system. He wasn’t on my list of guys, or the list I was given, but I actually kind of like the pick. Even if he ends up just a big slugging LF, there’s tons of value there. He will likely sign for slot relatively soon and get some GCL time. If you want the Phillies to gamble, they can do that tomorrow.

In Keith Law’s first mock draft, he had Larry Greene going to STL at #22

Larry Greene, OF, Berrien County HS (Nashville, Ga.)
I’ve heard the Cardinals and the Nationals are all over Greene, who may have as much raw power as anyone in the draft.

Video here –> Link
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More video clips –> Here and here and here article on his selection

128 thoughts on “Phillies select outfield prospect Larry Greene Jr

  1. Kinda sounds like a Howard replacement as he’ll likely take a minimum of 4-5 years to develop.

    Overall, I like that he’s already a good bat instead of a toolsy sprinter type…nice pick.

    Hopefully he signs quickly and they get him in GCL games fast.

    1. When do you think is a realistic time-frame to have him playing in a Phillies uniform?

      Excited to see a prospect with power.

      1. If he signs soon, he’ll probably be playing in the GCL in July.

        I’d betting he signs fast knowing the Phillies tendency to pick guys they know will sign for slot with their top pick.

  2. ahhhhh i also like that they went away from their toolsy tendencies in round 1, but would it kill them to mix in a RH Bat every once in a while? yeesh

  3. That was kind of out of left field, no pun intended. Interesting pick. He seems like an all-or-nothing kind of prospect. Could be a lot of fun to watch, or could be a single A version of Rob Deer.

    1. The Phillies haven’t drafted a toolsey guy yet this year you dope. He’s the complete opposite. He’s a one dimensional player with a boatload of power. Literally power is his only tool you tool!

      1. sounds like Micky likes the pick…he saying enough with tollsy players of past drafts…i guess you can call me a name now

  4. I’d like to see him sign for slot, and in 2 weeks lol, but no, in all seriousness, I’ve seen him ranked as high as mid 30’s and as low as 75 as cited by PP. Overall, I’m pretty happy with this pick, especially if he sticks in LF.

    1. I think he’s going to sign quickly for slot. To be honest, I’d be surprised if that wasn’t a condition of his selection by the Phillies.

  5. Everytime I look up Tampa is picking another player. They did lose a lot of players last year.

    1. They literally lost their entire bullpen and Crawford (and another position guy too I believe). But their entire bullpen was turned over…just insane.

      1. yea Pena maybe..? to the Cubs..might have netted then another draft pick?…going to be wild draft for them, seeing how they already have a lot of talent in the minors

  6. My guess? He’ll be a DH for someone in five years. But reposted from the last frame, he’s already limping and considered day to day. The good news? The Phillies won’t be putting him on the DL until he loses the entire foot.

    On further reflection, I still don’t like this pick even a little.

    1. you are a tool. on the 20-80 scale of douchebag tools, you are an 80 my friend.

    2. Hah, the good doctor is still a cynic I see! How have you been?

      Larry will be interesting, unlike some of the other toolsy OF’s, because he has one elite tool that isn’t speed. IMHO, with his elite power, he could be fun to follow.

  7. Probably a slot sign, leaving $ for later round over signs, as usual. I don’t hate the 1st pick and that’s good enough for me.

  8. He doesn’t have a D-1 commitment, so he’ll sign for slot, and probably soon. Which is great, get him out there and get him some reps.

    I like the pick. Wasn’t my preference, wasn’t on the list of guys I was given, but I like it. It could have been a lot “worse” in my opinion.

    1. Ya, pretty much what I meant, given the recent track record I’m happy if I dont hate the first pick. The interesting picks will come whe they take the guys with the college commitments.

      1. That goes against everything else I’ve read.

        Don’t think it matters, he all but admitted last night he’s ready to sign. Wouldn’t shock me at all if the Phillies had a pre-draft deal worked out.

        1. He has a commitment to play FOOTBALL at Georgia. Apparently he committed in like his sophmore year or something.

  9. We are going to have a colorful outfield in a few years, are there any prospects that are a black or a white to play centerfield? Maybe Bud Black has a kid or we can bring Devon White out of retirement?

  10. I love when people who never even saw a guy play state that they definitively hate a pick, grow up.

  11. Still would have liked a middle infielder…system is empty there but you can’t argue with the power potential especially where we play at CBP

  12. Man, i just realized this kid is like 18 and weighs 230 lbs. I do like the idea of him getting on a professional workout routine and maybe developing some prince fielder power. I could live with a Prince type if he were to come close to that ceiling. I am not so sold on him in LF going forward though. Well, after Burrel and Ibanez he cant be that bad.

      1. Well, i meant if he did not reach that level but still provided a lefty power bat.

    1. Hes a teenage, black, lefty, 1b/Ofer who hits a lot of HRs and is big for his age. On the surface, yeah, hes a lot like Singleton.

  13. Um, yeah, I could live with him turning into Prince Fielder too! That’s like saying I could live with my blind date turning out to be Natalie Portman.

    1. Natalie Portman??? That was the best you could do? How about Brooklyn Decker.

      1. Sorry, it seems our tastes differ. For my age group, in my corner of Brooklyn, Natalie Portman was quite the catch.

      2. Oh, and when I said my corner of Brooklyn, I meant the borough, not the supermodel, though she and Roddick live in my friend’s building in Dumbo. I’ve seen her–meh.

    2. I think he meant if this kid comes close, he can live with it. Obviously a Prince would be ecstatic

  14. Not a troll. There were at least twenty guys I wanted them to pick before this guy and more than half of them were still available. He is a slot or below slot sign and he has one tool. Dave Kingman and Rob Deer had one tool also. They stunk. If the Phillies are going to go for an easy sign, there had to at least be someone with a tool and a half available.

    In five years, you’ll all be wailing and gnashing your teeth that half a dozen guys who were still available are doing a bunch better than this kid. And you’ll forget that you called me a troll. But I’m right about this pick.

    If I’m wrong, I’ll formally apologize. But drafting a guy with one tool means he has to be really special and in high school, you can’t possibly know that. And especially when he played against less than top competition. Burrell had an elite power tool, but he was the best college player in the country. Big difference.

    Lest you forget, Hewitt was a five tooler when he was drafted. And power was the most exciting thing about him. The Phillies brass raved about his raw power. This kid has only power, and it’s against non-elite talent. I can’t see any possible reason to be excited about this kid, except that the kid seems like a nice young man, who will get a college scholarship and about a million dollars to languish in the minors for a half dozen or so years.

    1. Can I get a letter of recommendation id love to be a professional scout too!

    2. Actually, I really like the pick, even though I understand your concerns.

      There were other players I wanted at #39 too, Greene wasn’t even on my radar. But after the pick, I saw the value of it. The minor league system is void of power right now, if it is there it hasn’t appeared yet. Adding maybe the best HS power bat in the draft is not a terrible way to start off at #39. I don’t consider it a reach pick because Greene had been linked to a couple of teams in this area of the draft.

      To be honest, if Greene turns into Dave Kingman I would be thrilled. Kingman takes a bunch of grief, but the man did hit 442 HR in his career. Right now the Phillies have a bunch of .225 hitters in the lineup that don’t have much power. I would gladly trade any of them for a .225 hitter who can put up 35 HR.

      In the pantheon of Phillies 1st round draft picks, this is not a bad pick.
      At least in my opinion. Although for sure, Greene is far from a sure thing.

      1. Hewitt and Singleton both have power. Hewitt just does not have the plate discipline of Singleton.

        Also, Kingman took his fair share of walks, which helped make him somewhat more palatable.

  15. From this Phillies’ website:

    Larry Greene, an 18-year-old high school outfielder, was selected by the Phillies in the compensation round (39th overall) of the 2011 First-Year Player Draft, Marti Wolever, Director of Scouting, announced tonight.

    Greene, 6-foot-1, 225 pounds, played for Berrien County High School in Nashville, GA, where he batted .562 in 30 games with 11 doubles, one triple, 19 home runs, 52 RBI, 58 runs scored and 13 stolen bases. He drew 37 walks while striking out only eight times. The switch-hitter was also selected as a high school AFLAC All-American in 2011.

    “Larry is an outstanding athlete with a tremendous ceiling,” Wolever said. “We think he’s going to have above average power down the road.”

    The draft will continue tomorrow at noon with rounds two through 30, and will conclude on Wednesday with rounds 31 through 50. The Phillies’ next selection will be in the second round (66th overall).
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  16. PP – who do you see (hope for) with the next few picks? Any signable, interesting middle infielders or catchers on your list?

    1. There seems to be a ton of great talent left on the board including Susac, Hedges, Delmonico, Tilson etc etc etc, plus a boat load of strong arms……………

      1. Hedges has a UCLA scholarship. It would have been too risky to take him with a compensation pick. Same might be the case with Susac, since he is a draft eligible sophomore.
        Compensation picks aren’t protected, so the player has the advantage in negotiations.

  17. This guy is not DH Slow he has above average Power Hitter Speed. Howard does not clog up the bases. He won’t either. Clearly a good kid who will listen and want to do his best.

    Good Luck Larry Greene! Good Risk to take.

  18. Quick, sign Greene and add him to the roster immediately! The Phillies haven’t homered in June!

  19. Not a switch hitter.

    Lefthanded power is Larry Greene’s ticket to being picked high in the 2011 draft. Greene is a pull hitter with an uppercut in his swing and has as much raw power as any high school player in the country. He is solid in the field, with enough speed to cover ground at an outfield corner and a plus arm.


    2011 Louisville Slugger Preseason All-American
    2010 AFLAC All-American

    Berrien coach Nix- “He’s pretty good at everything. He has a lot of tools. His mental approach is great. He’s patient at the plate. He’s everything you want in a player. I really think he’ll be a big time player in the Major Leagues.”

    Takes walks.

    1. Thanks Sir Alden. I am assuming not one person is “rolling their eyes”. Like the pick.

  20. Okay, I’m wrong. Best pick ever?

    First, he’s not a switch hitter. Second, he has an uppercut swing. Honest question, has he ever played in a wood bat league?

    1. You don’t like the pick. We got it. Its been noted here on the record.

      Check back in 5 years to either pat yourself on the back, or don’t check in because the guy turned in to a great prospect. There’s no need to post the same thing 10 times.

      No one is saying he’s the best possible pick, so keep that strawman in the closet.

      1. Not trying to be offensive, PP. I clearly don’t like the pick, not because the kid is a stiff, but because there was so much left on the board I’d rather have seen.

        I’ll check back after all fifty rounds and probably be pretty happy that they grabbed a handful of tough signs later on.

        1. In aksmith’s defense, I think he posted the same thing 10 times because as soon as he posted something hostile to the pick a bunch of commenters called him stupid and a troll. Any of us would want to explain ourselves in that situation. Also, I thought his joke about the Phillies immediately saying he was day-to-day with an injury was funny, although there was probably no need to post it on two different threads. I’m not angry about the pick, but obviously there are plenty of reasonable reasons not to like it. Let’s just be civil, folks–as PP says, we’re not going to know whether this was a good or bad pick for a few years, so no need to call each other names in the heat of the moment.

        2. Plenty of other picks on the board I liked as well. All I am saying is that this guy was one of the best power bats in the draft. That has value, and is something the Phillies were lacking.

          They missed out on Daniel Palka last year and the reason I was so disappointed was because he was a power bat that was needed. Greene is a good way to recover from that.

  21. I wonder if this is any indication that they’re willing to include Singleton in a package for a proven hitter at the deadline. They did just move him back to 1st base right?

  22. Okay here we go:

    1. He’s a left handed hitter. Being a Phillies fan right now, all we see is left handed hitters. But a strong left handed hitter is IMPORTANT. There’s no reason to hate on him because he’s left handed.

    2. The Phillies have no standards for left field defense, so I don’t see why he’d have to move to 1B. Still, he could as our outfield may be crowded by the time he’s called up.

    3. He could stand to lose some weight and put on more muscle whynot, but he’s a good size and already hits for power. He’s not going to have to develop that power, or hope he grows into his size. Things can go wrong, but he’s a better choice for a power hitter than hope.

    I like the pick. I like the Phillies going for offensive talent.

    1. “The Phillies have no standards for left field defense, so I don’t see why he’d have to move to 1B.”

      Cracked me up, but it hurt because it was so true.

    2. I dont know if he needs to “lose weight” 230 at 6′ 1″ is a bit large but from the look of his video hes not wide hes BIG and can move for 230… They say Line backer built not tubby built and he stole 13 bases so the kid is not wearing concrete shoes.

  23. A good athlete who will sign for slot with lots of upside. Sounds about right. I’m sure there were better players available, but he got some good rankings by third parties, and the Phils just don’t go that far over slot to get some of the names still on the board. I’m satisfied. Good luck Larry!

  24. I thought the video we saw on the MLB network was that of a much more athletic looking guy than appeared in his suit.

    I thought he was moving around quite well. No question he can swing the lumber. At least his strikeout totals are very low at the level he’s seen. Seems to have some plate discipline.

  25. I love reading this blog because most of you are knowledgable and don’t make dumb comments like he is a stiff, can’t run, etc…. I tend to think the Phillies know more than we do and they are trying to get the best player they can get with their pick. In a draft that last 50 rounds, I really don’t think we need to jump off the cliff if we disagree with the pick. I really appreciate the point about no compensation and being this high, you want to take a signable player if at all possible. Hopefully he is the next Prince Fielder of the National League and if not, atleast it was not our bonus money! Thank you all for your knowledge shared on this site!

    1. Just to be clear, they are trying to get the best player they can get… who they think is a good investment at the price-point they can sign him for. This is a different, and totally sound approach.

      Others try to frame people who bring this up differently, to make posters on the subject look like they are whining about the Phillies being cheap, where it is really about questioning their investment strategy.

  26. From ESPN’s MLB Draft Blog: “The Phillies love toolsy players but their top pick two years in a row has been off that trend. Larry Greene has plus power and should be adequate in a corner outfield spot. He’s considered an easy sign …”

    1. Is it possibe (insert audible gasp here), that the Phillies are doing what, for the last few years, many on this site suggest they do? Namely, going for solid ballplayers in some of the early rounds and going with more tough, above-slot, signs and “tool shed” players in later rounds? It could be!

  27. From ESPN scouting report: “Green has the most present raw power of any high school bat in this class, and that alone should see him drafted in the top two to three rounds, even though it’s his only average tool.

    He has one kind of swing, and it’s furious, generating power both with bat speed and hip rotation, with big juice that earns him comparisons to another African-American left-handed power hitter, Ryan Howard. He also swings and misses a ton and doesn’t have much experience facing good pitching. He doesn’t throw well and is a below-average runner with short strides, so he’s probably headed for first base.

    Green is incredibly high-risk, but the power potential is big enough that if he gets to the third round someone just has to take a shot at developing him.”

  28. Ok, I’m turning in…

    From “Raw strength/power in 6-1/230 build; bat is best tool/ball jumps at contact, 6.8 speed; corner OF, OK arm.” – Projected as elite round pick (1-3) and No.2 HS player in georgia.
    Larry Greene is a physical specimen. The 6ft 1in 230lb lefty hitter has all of the tools to make it to the big show. We have clocked Greene at 6.51 with a screw in his foot. Greene also threw 91 MPH from RF in a workout. Larry Greene has as much physical power as any kid in America. He can hit balls out of site. We saw a three homer performance in the State playoffs last season. Greene’s weakness may be in the mental game. He has to step up this side of his game to get the big money draft day he is hoping for. The physical tools are in place we hope Greene can improve the other stuff and he could be a 1st Rounder. Several mock drafts have Greene going pick 33 to 36.

    Following a pre-draft workout in St. Louis in may from Greene showed that power in a burst during batting practice this morning at Busch. He and Indiana outfielder Dickerson were in the same hitting group, and witnesses saw a little bit of a duel develop. Dickerson asked Greene at one point where he went to school, and was a bit surprised to hear it was a high school. Greene, a lefthanded-hitting prospect, peppered a few shots into the right-field seats, and afterward he acknowledged that he and the other hitters in his group were going for distance, not number of homers.

    “Meeting people, meeting other players, getting to compete in this kind of ballpark,” Greene said, listing the benefits of attending the workouts. He has previously attended workouts with Atlanta and Tampa Bay. “It’s kind of exciting. I’m kind of nervous, too. You wonder where you’re going to go.”

    Greene has a commitment to a junior college, but “I want to get out and play.”

    From another St. Louis article: One of the players the Cardinals brought to a private workout at Busch Stadium was Georgia high school outfielder Larry Greene, who had 19 homers in only 89 at-bats, but is considered by most to not be a first-round caliber player. Baseball America ranks him as the 15th best outfielder available, and he also projects as a corner outfielder, not a center fi

    Rotoworld: One of the draft’s premiere power prospects, Greene is thought to be deficient most everywhere else, including on defense, the bases and when it comes to making contact.

    He has a ton of upside, but a long developmental period ahead of him.

  29. Have to say after reading the scouting reports and seeing the videos that I’m not thrilled about the pick. Not a big fan of taking a 1-tool OF prospect, even if that 1-tool is outstanding.

    But he does fit the Phillies draft pattern for 1st round/supplimental picks in that he’s signable and raw and I hope he turns out to be a great player.

  30. 6.51 speed, 91mph, considered best raw power, and alot of homers with a good # of walks. If the #s are accurate I think the phillies did the right thing. Also who cares if he is left handed. In 5 or 6 years when and if he makes it to the phillies line-up they might need a left handed power hitter. If not im sure 20 other teams wouldnt mind having one.

  31. This is the fun part of following the minor leagues. If he blossoms, he’ll be a beast, and we can remember this day. His upside is very high, indeed. I love the minor leagues..

  32. For those wanting Susac, why? The Phillies second best position prospect is a catcher and is 4 months younger than Susac.

    1. 2nd best? Valle might pass Singleton this year, if he hasn’t already…Same league, , same age and Valle is hitting almost a hundred points higher with more power at the toughest vs easiest position. He’s also catching arguably the best staff in the minors…

      Middle infield is obviously a bigger hole, but quality catchers are extremely scarce and therefore valuable. As well as Valle is playing, he’s still far from a sure thing…however, I might prefer Gallagher to Susac, because his bat could play at another position.

  33. The scouting reports on him seem very mixed. There is obviously a consensus on the power, and some mixed reviews on his running and throwing. If he was recruited as a linebacker at Alabama, he obviously has a lot of raw athleticism. I like that he isn’t afraid to take a walk, and although one of the reports said he swings and misses a lot, he doesn’t seem to have high strikeout totals.

    I could see his upside as a lefthanded Pat Burrell, but with more speed and better defense. I’d take that. I realize, of course, that we’re a long way off, but this is draft day, a day to be optimistic.

    I like the pick, and wish him well.

  34. Hig risk, high reward – and this guy can kill it! If they’d have taken another no contact speedster I’d have choked. Players with plus plus power are getting harder to find in this new small ball era – couple that with his ability to take a walk – and he could be special. I like this pick!

    1. You know, it is becoming a small ball era, but it’s still a small ballpark era – if you have big time power, it is a very valuable tool these days, particularly when your team has a good pitching staff.

  35. The more I think about it, the more I like this pick. Basically, the was I see it, this makes perfect sense if you see it as a relatively cheap hedge against the quite high risk of decline in Ryan Howard in the latter years of his contract extension. I’m not saying it’s likely Greene will turn into an elite power hitter like Howard, but there’s a chance he could, and if all goes well he should be at Reading in 2015 and Lehigh Valley in 2016, just in time to offer a backup plan should Howard get hurt or suffer a steep statistical dropoff as he enters his late 30s. Now, you might argue that Howard’s downward spiral has already begun, in which case Larry Greene isn’t going to help, but really we don’t want to think about that.

    1. I like Ryan Howard I really do. By all accounts he seems like a fine young man and he represents the city well but his offensive decline had begun the year after his MVP season.

      A classic example of how the league adjusts to your strengths and weaknesses. If you fail to counter punch naturally you will see a drop in production. In a vacuum Howard is a fine player who gives you great run production but teams don’t operate in a vacuum.

      Relative to his contract he does not look as good as he might under a different financial scenario. Having said that we are not the only suckers out there. I just wonder if the league will ever learn to make better projections of what a player will be at the end of a deal as opposed to overpaying for past performance.

      1. Personally, I find it hard to be overly critical of Ryan Howard when the lineup around him has been seriously degraded since his MVP season.

        – Chase Utley is a shell of his former self
        – Jimmy Rollins hasn’t set the world on fire the last couple of seasons
        – Raul Ibanez is about done as a fulltime starter
        – Pat Burrell moved on to another team
        – Jason Werth moved on to another team

        I understand Howard gets the focus, since he got the monster contract, but he has also missing alot of the protection he used to enjoy. He is the only guy left in the lineup that scares anybody.

        But since Utley is a demi-god in Philly nobody wants to talk about the fact that he might be done. Or at least done in regards to any hope he has multiple All Star seasons left in him. At this point I fear Utley is going to be hit or miss every season he has left with no idea what he will or won’t be capable of.

        1. Utley had a down year last year, and he still posted a 5.4 WAR. Ha had no spring training this year and is still getting back into things. He is not ‘done’.

        2. I think no one talks about Utley because its too soon too. We really don’t know anything yet. Yes he’s not hitting the ball with the same force he used to… but that really doesn’t mean much yet.

          Typically players get close to 2 months of Spring Training to prepare for the season. Utley had 2 and a half weeks in A ball to prepare. As far as I am concerned he is still working out the kinks, getting his timing and rhythm back. Now if post All Star break Utley still looks like he does now… then we may have an issue.

          That issue will be that Utley is still a very good effective MLB player… but not a superstar or #3 hitter anymore. I have long felt that Utley’s ability to get on base will lead to him having a long career where in the 2nd half of it he is a #2 hitter and table setter instead of run producer. Was hoping that wouldn’t be for another 3-4 years down the road, would be a shame if it started now.

      2. Look at it this way: we got a couple of the best offensive seasons any Phillies player has ever put together from him at a time when he was making close to the major league minimum. The money we’re paying him in 2012-2017 is, in part, payback. That’s the way the system works. It’s designed to give elite players leverage to get more years/money than they deserve in their later years to make up for their underpaid years on the front end.

        But that’s a little off topic. I’m not saying that Howard’s decline hasn’t begun; I’m saying this draft pick makes sense if you think he will continue to perform adequately until the latter years of his contract, as I suspect the Phillies front office does.

        1. Howard’s consistent RBI production has been scoffed at in the past as a team stat due to all the other hitters in the lineup. He’s on course for a well above 100 RBI season yet again and his success certainly can’t be blamed on the quality of the lineup surrounding him. He is a hitter who has consistently hit best in RISP situations, when the pitcher is bearing down. This may be an effect of the shift hurting his output in non-RISP situations. His OPS this year with RISP is quite a bit above his overall RISP and this trend is seen, to a lesser degree, throughout his career. Howard is still a very productive hitter and his defense, if anything, has improved.

  36. That is a short compact swing. If he can show any kind of patience at the plate, you have to believe he can develop into a really good hitter.

    I’m also not sure how you can question his “mental game”, the kid’s in high school for goodness sakes.

    1. I took that as a shot at his academic ability. Usually a guy this good would have colleges offering him scholarships.

      I personally could not care less and did not care for the comment. He seems like a nice young man who is dealing with serious loss. I’m a fan already and I hope he signs quickly.

  37. Yeah I don’t get the signing I really wanted to see them go after a SS (a college SS) Jace Peterson would have been a much better pick in my opinion. Brad Miller is another college SS I like. Very under the radar on most boards but has tremendous make-up. Reminds me of Nomar and Chase.

  38. I am by no means a scout, but looking at his swing, and thinking of physics class, I actually think he can get more power out of his swing, his arm extention seems to come a split second too late on the one video that i saw slowed down and from the side.

    I know he’s not lacking in power, but he’s late to extention. see the below video at the 54 second mark.

    Additionally, it looks like he has good hip torque, puts a 75/25 load on his back foot,
    then explodes forward which I like. I don’t know what I see going on with his step but it looks off to me, anyone see that?

    PP (or anyone who can actually evaluate a swing properly)

    1. Actually I see a kid who does a good job of letting the ball travel deep into the zone. He keeps his hands inside the ball and maintains good balance through the swing.

      I don’t view arm extension as an equation to power. If you’re strong and or have the ability to generate great bat speed you will hit for power.

      1. DMAR, don’t get me wrong, I definately think he’s currently generating power (obviously), but during the course of the swing, the distance the ball will travel is based upon the speed of the bat when it reaches the ball and where on the bat the ball strikes.

        My understanding is that over the swing plane, the highest bat speed is generated when you go from load to full extention, that point occured slightly after making contact with the ball, which to me actually means he didnt’ hang back far enough.

        Not knocking his power, i think he’s a 75-80 on the scout scale, I just think you could get even more out of it.

        1. i CLEARLY didn’t know what I was talking about…

          Great video for those of you who are curious about swing mechanics…

          especially around the 6 min mark where he talks about arm positions at contact.

          1. Using the bat mass analogy in that video, and comparing it to the swing greene generates, his arms are in near perfect position at contact. And as to SIFPA below, I agree, he doesn’t have a huge stance and a small step, looking at ted williams swing, you’ll see a relatively wideish stance (1 foot wider then shoulders, 6 on each side) but only a 3-6 inch step, which actually looks just like the natural product of turing the front foot forward after the shift in body weight during load.

  39. I’m happy with this pick. I’m not terribly familiar with the amateur talent world so I rarely feel comfortable second-guessing picks. For me, draft day is mostly about reading up and learning about the Phillies new organizational talent. (And tracking local NEPA talent. Go Cory Spangenberg!) At the Phillies’ point in the draft they need to accept some risk to get a top talent. I can see the value in Greene. He should be a fun prospect to follow.

  40. Based on the posted videos, Greene seems to have a wide stance and a very short stride. Hitters with very short strides generally don’t strike out much. For example, Joe DiMaggio had a wide stance and a short stride. Joltin’ Joe had 361 HRs and 369 strikeouts in his 13 year career.

    Note: I am not comparing Greene to Dimaggio!!!

    1. yeah, I’m no hitting guru, but his swing did not appear to be particularly long to me – to the contrary – he seemed to have very little wasted motion and his bat accelerates quickly to the ball.

      I agree this a fun pick, because, you know, if it works out, we could have a slugging star on our hands.

    2. Depends on what you define as striking out a lot.

      Jeff Bagwell had an incredibly wide stance and struck out on average 117 times a season.

  41. Hey, he’s no Dugan or one of these guys that looks like a real reach. So, he may be a bust in a year or two, but make no mistake about it, he becomes the best power bat in the lower systems the moment he signs.

    His talent and positioning are legit according to I’d say a majority. We just had out eyes on LHP, C and SS and weren’t paying attention to his existence.

    Interesting that the Cardinals really appeared to covet him and had been the team most connected to him, including the home-town Braves.

  42. This is the first time I am really following the draft. But it seems to me that discussing/debating individual picks is a fool’s errand, especially when dealing with the Phillies. Amatuer baseball is unlike college football and basketball in terms of projectability. We have one of the top rated farms in baseball and if you look at out top prosepects they come from the later rounds. I think we should wait to see how the Phils attack those “unsignable” players in the later rounds and see how many kids we can buy out of college. That seems to be where our bread and butter is. Maybe the Phillies reached for signability so they could spend in the later rounds. If so, then more power to them. This kid could be an absolute bust, but if we can buyout a Cosart or Singleton in the later rounds, we could still have a very successful draft IMHO. I just think we should assess the draft a a whole. Again, this is the first time I have really followed the draft, so I look forward to other peoples’ insights and opinions.

  43. I’m glad I didn’t state my opinion on the pick last night. With more thought, I like the pick better and better. The statement that he is a strikeout maching who won’t hit for average is a projection. He struck out little in HS, walked a lot, had a high BA. He’ll have to adapt as he faces better pitching consistently, but we can’t just assume he won’t succeed. All HS hitters face that going into the pros.

    Story was the guy I wanted. We still need MI and C. If we spend the $ to get them out of LA, that’s fine. We tried last year again, but got caught up in phonied ages. Galvis looks better this year, so he might be an answer. We are out of the Ruben Amaro/Bobby Wine era, but Galvis is already at least that.

  44. Ketch,
    In an interview on, he said something to the effect that he was happy but shocked because he really thought he was going to the brewers. I thought that was interesting as well, maybe he had a pre-draft deal with them for the 2nd round and we jumped up and snagged him when we saw he was available.

  45. After reading all of this, can his struggles come from lack of competition in high school?

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