Clearwater Threshers Recap – 6/7/2018

The Clearwater Threshers (26-32) lost to Daytona, 6-5.

Mauricio Llovera (4.02) pitched six solid innings last night.  He allowed one run on 5 hits and a walk.  He struck out seven.  The bullpen failed to hold the lead.  Blake Quinn (4.15) blew the save in one inning, giving up 3 runs on 2 hits and a hit batter including a HR before recording an out.  J.D.Hammer (0-1, 3.38) made his second appearance and was charged with an ER and an unearned run in 1.2 innings as the Tortugas walked off.

The Threshers scored plenty of runs on 10 hits and 2 walks, but only went 1-9 with RISP. They opened the scoring in the first inning with solo HRs to center field by Arquimedes Gamboa (1) and Austin Listi.  They opened a three-run advantage with 2 runs in the fifth on Listi’s 2-run HR (8).  And they took a short-lived lead in the ninth when they loaded the bases with nobody out and scored just one run on a walk.

Haseley (.289), Gomez (.233), and Listi (.353) had 2 hits each.

Apparently Mickey Moniak may have injured himself on a swing the night before last.  He was held out of last night’s game.  This type of event is often an oblique.  I saw Kelly Dugan felled by an oblique in 2013 ST.  He missed the first 3 weeks of the season. He missed 7 weeks the following year in  Reading with the same injury.   So, is Moniak does have an oblique, he may be sidelined until late July.  However, I’ve heard nothing official yet.

Gamboa flew out to end the second inning and was replaced in the field the next inning. No word why, but the start of the game was delayed due to wet conditions.

  • #1 Sixto Sanchez (4-3 , 2.51): 
  • #2 Adonis Medina (6-2, 4.82):
  • #3 Adam Haseley (.289): went 2-5 with 2 runs scored
  • #4 Mickey Moniak (.244): DNP
  • #8 Arquimedes Gamboa (.274): went 1-2 with a run scored, HR (1), RBI
  • #17 Jose Gomez (.233): went 2-4 with a BB, RBI
  • #21 McKenzie Mills (0-2, 4.67):
  • #25 J.D. Hammer (0-1, 3.38): 1.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
  • #28 Connor Seabold (2-4, 4.37):
  • Bailey Falter (4-2, 3.08):

In other action –

Lehigh Valley (33-25) beat Gwinnett, 7-1.

Enyel De Los Santos held the Stripers to one run in eight innings.  He allowed 5 hits, walked none, and struck out seven.  Yacksel Rios (3.52) mopped up with a 1-2-3 ninth.

The IronPigs rushed out to a seven run lead in the first four innings.  They scored 2 runs in the first inning on Joey Meneses’ RBI double and Trevor Plouffe’s sacrifice fly, one run in the second on a balk, one run in the third on Nick Rickles’ RBI double, and 3 runs in the fourth on an errant pickoff throw, Mitch Walding’s sacrifice fly, and Joey Meneses’ solo HR (10).

Cowgill had 3 hits.  Meneses and McBride had 2 each.

Enyel De Los Santos had a lead off, bunt single and a stolen base.

  • #12 Enyel De Los Santos (6-3, 1.63): 8.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 K
  • #13 Tom Eshelman (1-5, 7.06):
  • #14 Roman Quinn (.289): 7-day DL, right middle finger strain
  • #16 Dylan Cozens (.226): called up to Philadelphia
  • #22 Drew Anderson (2-1, 3.33): 
  • #23 Cole Irvin (7-1, 2.62):

Reading (25-33) lost to Altoona, 1-0.

Ranger Suarez pitched a seven inning, two-hitter.  He allowed no runs, walked one, and struck out none.  His game score was 85.  Jeff Singer struck out two in one inning of relief.  Edgar Garcia (5-2, 1.85) lost the game with two outs in the ninth

Austin Bossart had 2 of the Phils’ four hits.  The team had 13 strike outs.

  • #6 JoJo Romero (3-4, 5.11):
  • #7 Franklyn Kilome (1-2, 4.77):
  • #9 Ranger Suarez (2-2, 3.27): 7.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 9 K
  • #15 Cornelius Randolph (.189): DNP

Lakewood (34-25) lost to Hagerstown, 3-1.

Kyle Young pitched 7.2 innings and was charged with 3 runs on 6 hits and a walk.  He struck out four.  Luis Carrasco (4.15) entered with a runner on base and allowed him to score before retiring the final out of the inning.

Lakewood’s only run came on Jhailyn Ortiz’ solo HR (3) in the first inning.  They managed just 2 hits the rest of the game.  Fifteen BlueClaws struck out.  Scheiner, Brito, Stobbe (his first game since coming off the DL), and Duran struck out 3 times each, a combined 0-13 with 2 BB, a sacrifice, and 12 K.  Ouch!

Kevin Markham had an outfield assist at home.

Young had never pitched into the eighth inning in his career.  He completed seven innings for the first time in his career in his last appearance.  He entered the eighth having thrown 80 pitches and walked the third batter on four pitches after getting two ground outs.  The next batter doubled and that was the end of his night.  He finished with 91 pitches.  I mention all this because Young spent the first 6 weeks rehabbing in XST and this was just his fourth start of the season.  Seems a little ambitious to me.

  • #5 Jhailyn Ortiz (.250): went 1-4 with a run scored, RBI, HR (3)
  • #11 Daniel Brito (.227): went 0-3 with a BB
  • #18 Kyle Young (1-3, 2.45): 7.2 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
  • #20 Spencer Howard (3-4, 5.17):
  • #27 Simon Muzziotti (.293): 7-day DL (hand injury, in Clearwater)
  • #30 Nick Maton (.265): went 0-3 with a BB

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

One prospect is in Philadelphia.

  • #10 Seranthony Dominguez: retains prospect status until June 20th

And these guys are still in Clearwater.

  • #19 Francisco Morales: XST
  • #24 Luis Garcia: XST
  • #26 Kevin Gowdy: not expected to pitch this season
  • #29 Jonathan Guzman: XST

Both DSL teams won – Phillies Red (1-4), 4-1 and Phillies White (4-1), 6-4.

Williamsport begins its season on Friday, June 15th v. State College.

GCL Phillies East begins its season on Monday, June 18th v. GCL Yankees West.

Gcl Phillies West begins its season on Tuesday, June 19th v. GCL Yankees East.

Phillies GCL schedule.


6/7/19–Reading activated 2B Drew Stankiewicz from the 7-day DL
6/7/19–Reading placed 2B Emmanuel Marrero on the 7-day DL. Left thigh contusion.
6/7/19–Lakewood placed C Colby Fitch on the 7-day DL
6/7/19–Cole Stobbe assigned to Lakewood from Williamsport
6/6/18–Philadelphia activated SS J.P. Crawford from the 10-day disabled list.
6/6/18–Philadelphia optioned 3B Mitch Walding to Lehigh Valley
6/6/18–Lehigh Valley placed RHP Tom Eshelman on the 7-day DL. Left shin contusion.
6/6/18–Reading placed RHP Jose Taveras on the 7-day DL. Right shoulder strain
6/6/18–Reading activated LHP Elniery Garcia from the 7-day DL
6/6/18–Mitchell Edwards signed as an international free agent
6/5/18–Hsin-Chieh Lin signed as an international free agent
6/5/18–Yoan Antonac signed as an international free agent
6/5/18–Drew Hutchinson elected free agency
6/5/18–Philadelphia sent SS J.P. Crawford on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley
6/5/18–RHP JD Hammer assigned to Clearwater from Reading
6/4/18–Phillies sent RHP Drew Hutchison outright to Lehigh Valley
6/2/18–Anderson Parra released
6/2/18–Pedro Ramirez released
6/2/18–Adrian Marin released
6/2/18–Jhonny Palma released
6/2/18–Diego Tamariz released
6/3/18–DSL Phillies Red placed LHP Yefferson Mercedes on the 60-day disabled list.
6/3/18–DSL Phillies White placed RHP Jeison Blanco on the 60-day disabled list.
6/3/18–DSL Phillies White placed RHP Santy Prada on the 60-day disabled list.
6/3/18–Josh Tols assigned to Clearwater from Williamsport .
6/3/18–Andrew Brown assigned to Lakewood from Williamsport .
6/3/18–Spencer Howard assigned to Williamsport from Lakewood .
6/2/18–LHP Nick Fanti assigned to Clearwater from Williamsport .
6/2/18–SS Wilson Valdez assigned to DSL Phillies Red.

The rosters and lists are up to date as of 6/7.  I’ve got 322 players in the organization.


55 thoughts on “Clearwater Threshers Recap – 6/7/2018

  1. Ranger Suarez with a gem. Austin Listi has nothing left to prove in CLW. Move along, little doggie. Reading should be happy to see him. Jose Gomez has been in a slump since he came over in a trade. But suddenly, in the last 4 games, he’s come alive. 4 extra hits games in a row and hitting over .500. It’s only 4 games but let’s hope he’s turned a corner.

    Interesting box score ditty; De Los Santos stole a base. Must have seen that they weren’t paying attention to him and he swiped it.

    Edgar Garcia is in a little funk. He started the year giving up 2 runs in just less than 30 IP but in his last 3 games he’s given up 5 runs in 4 2/3 IP. He also has given up 7 hits and 4 BBs over those 4 plus innings. 2 of the 3 games were blown saves. Weirdly, he’s 2 – 1 in those 3 games. It’s looking like a bit of tired arm.

    1. Listi is actually playing 1B every day now after DHing the whole year. I was told he can really only play there, not OF, so he needs to get reps there and will stay there for a while. Hall needs to get his reps there too, at Reading.

    2. He stole the base after a bunt base hit. He would add a great deal to the Phillies rotation with his skill and speed, not to mention his pitching skill.

  2. I think that we stole a good one in De Los Santos. His stats are awesome as a 22 year old in AAA. And he has great reports on stuff too. He may be a #3 for a long time in the majors.

    Exciting stuff. Great pull from Klentak!

    1. Good general managers pull of their share of heists from other teams. Here, Klentak traded an average shortstop, in his last year before free agency, who was clearly going to be replaced by a younger player, for a potential mid-to-upper rotation starter who was not that far from the majors. This was just a flat out great trade.

      1. A couple of other thoughts.

        On De Los Santos. I saw parts of his start on MilbTV. His stuff his very good, but as far as I could tell, he throws two pitches – an above average to near plus fastball and an above average to near plus curve or slider (the way it breaks, I couldn’t tell whether it was a curve or a slider). He could use the additional time to work on his command and develop a third pitch, such as a change or splitter (his fastball is a little straight so a splitter could make his stuff lethal). He could pitch in the big leagues now and be a 4, but if he stays in the minors and works on some things, he could be quite a bit better than that. Fortunately, they don’t need him in the big leagues now.

        On Suarez. Again, I saw parts of his start on MilbTV. He was impressive. He has a fastball that ranges from average to above average and appears to sit 90-92 with good command. A little more velocity would definitely help him, although he has enough deception to throw the ball up in the zone and get swings and misses. The difference maker for Suarez is a lethal change up – he is still working on commanding the pitch, but it is frequently a plus pitch – it just fades away and drops under the bat much like Hamels’ change. Like De Los Santos, he is going to need to develop at least one more pitch. Either a bending curve, a cutter or a power slider. Very encouraging.

        Listi by the way is absolutely killing it. I know he started in the system late, but he’s in his first full season in the minors and is already bucking for a promotion. If you haven’t check his full stat line in a while you should. His BA is .352 and in OBP is now .471 and in the last 10 games he’s drawn 15 walks against 4 ks with 4 homers and a .406 BA – all of which suggests he’s developing at a rapid pace. I’d give him another 15 games in Clearwater and if he’s still hitting like this, they may actually consider having him skip AA and go right to AAA where he could get playing time. If he can’t cut it there they could demote him to AA – but he definitely might hit at AAA. What a great and unexpected find.

        1. You know a guy is doing really well when he hits .406 over a ten game period fairly early in the season and only raises his BA by 13 points – that’s Listi. I want to see what he does at higher levels but he has earned a place in the top 30 for his performance so far. He has been spectacular as a hitter.

          1. Eh, a 16th round 24 yo 1B/DH in hi-A has no business in a top 30 for an org as deep as ours, imo. He needs to get to AA, if not AAA, to be in that mix.

            1. There is a reason he is a little older than normal collegian guys….he was Austin Listi, USMC for awhile….oorah!

              In 2013 he was named an All-American Freshman in the Mizzou Valley Conf.
              In 2014 eraned all-Mizzou Vall conference team.
              Then Listi left school to join the Marines.
              Came back in ’16 for his last season.
              Banged 24 HRs.

            2. Being at the back of a top 30 is not that big of a deal. The walks and the rapid improvement at a fairly high level for a full first year player, to me, justify putting him there. But we will see soon enough.

            3. And the rapidly improving plate discipline is a very big deal – it really gives him a chance to succeed at higher levels. We may really be onto something with this guy.

            4. If it were up to me his next game would be in AA, and he wouldn’t stay there long if he mashes. But at this point, half a season in A ball isn’t enough to make me overlook his draft position and relative age.

            1. If he hits the way I think he might, he will be deserving.

              We underrate two types of prospect here. First, less heralded relief prospects. None of Diekman, Neris, Garcia or Ramos were rated here and all are now major league contributors while virtually all of the bottom half of our top 30 never makes it to the big leagues. The big leagues values relievers properly now, but we haven’t adjusted as a group. These guys probably should have been ranked.

              Second, we sometimes miss on hitting prospects who are a little older but have never stalled at all in the minors, such as Hoskins. Admittedly, this group of hitters is less underrated than the relief pitchers. Anyway, Listi belongs in the second group.

            2. Actually catch I would agree on the relievers (me included) but disagree on hitting prospects. If anything, love affairs that have existed in the past for the Rizz, Ruf, Perkins, etc. point to the overvaluing of older prospects who put up over-inflated numbers at levels playing against younger players.

              A rare few of them like Hoskins do carry through but most don’t achieve a level equal to the hype they received…

            3. Yeah, I hear you, but Rizzotti and Ruf were sort of middling prospects for a while until they took off in AA rather late in the process. Perkins was never all that great. I think we all want to see what Listi can do in Reading or LHV.

    2. De Los Santos looks even better when you consider what the Phillies gave up for him (i.e., Freddy Galvis). The Phillies came out on the right end of that deal.

      1. bak425 so a really good fielding shortstop who has some power,. and is in the major. You already without winning a game saying that De Los Santos is a major leaguer starter. wow. amazing no one on here learns. He isn’t facing major league hitters. so to anoint him a steal in a trade is really premature to say the least. You realize that he might face one or two in the minors on each team who have a chance to play in the majors. Everyone wanted freddy out of town for jp Crawford. and Crawford cant hit and can hold freddys jock strap as a fielder.

        1. True, in Freddy is tearing it up again in SD with his .630 OPS and 2 hrs. Funny that you think Galvis is somehow a loss but Franco with his .707 OPS stinks. (and I agree that Franco stinks)…

          Guess you are right, people just don’t learn..

          1. My point is that t he was a great fielding shortstop with some power, not a great player but not as bad as people make out. The guy did hit 20 hr in 2016 ,now we have guys who cant field and cant hit but make less money. so that is good is your point, my point is I would pay 7 million for Freddie based on what he did and how great he fields over what we have now ut you right people will never get this game and learn what value is. a great fielder like him could save you 3 or more games a year.

            1. roccom … So you make the trade for Machado, and if he signs elsewhere next winter, sign Galvis.

        2. Trade was a win simply because they don’t have to pay Freddy $7m to put up terrible numbers again..

            1. Yeah, that winning record isn’t indicative of them ready to win right?

            2. I can think of 350 million rea$on$ why, Roc. And more if necessary. Ready to win or not, the needle is drawing north.

        3. Roc, by your thinking and past comments you’ve posted, every player who’s made it to the big leagues is worth more than any player who hasn’t. Come on, bro.

        4. @roccom – do you know how to look up? i can understand to sticks with the past and leave by the moment, but have some foresight. GMs are paid not to analyze the past but to chart the present without destroying the future. GMs are trained to embrace uncertainty because that’s how they make their name.

          If you like to dwell on the past, then be a historian.

        5. If you can’t see that this was a superb trade and a perfect risk-reward scenario I don’t know what to tell you. It’s so obvious that the Phillies are crushing it in this trade so far.

          1. Catch they will crush it when he comes up and does something. I am tried of all the hype on how great our system is. and we don’t have one hitter to bring up. and the guys who got the hype. Williams, Kingery. franco. altheer, knapp cant hit a lick. prove it in the majors. cause I personally don’t trust our gm and scouts. I think they stink.

    3. De Los Santos…,according to Jordan, MLB plus FB and CU….work in progress on deciding between CB and SLDR

  3. i was at the Lakewood game last night. First, kudos to Hagerstown for improving the playing field. It was a sandlot the last time I was there.Also changed the outfield fences. Huge Center over to Left Center.

    Kyle Young threw FB 88-89 T90. Off speed was 78-79. Sat behind the Sun’s person charting the game. Young has little swing and miss stuff. Needs to keep the ball down and hit the corners. In the first inning his pitches were up and Suns hit rockets. He settled down. I have to say the home plate ump was horrible. LKW manager almost got tossed in the top of the first. The Suns manager had his turn in the bottom of the inning.His plate extended from white line of batter’s box to the other.

    15k’s by Lakewood was a combination of not figuring out the ump’s strike zone. Too many called third strikes. The other part was the inability to make contact on off speed stuff. That’s a team issue.

    Young benefited by three tremendous defensive plays. One by the CF who went back, dove and caught the ball on the dead center field warning track (he also gunned out a runner at home), The 3B also snared a one hopper got to his feet and threw out the runner at first.

    Cole Stobbe did not even foul a pitch off in his first three at-bats. Took called third strikes on first two.

    J. Ortiz hit a high towering fly ball to right center. Nick Banks made a great jump to try and catch but the ball landed over the fence. Impressive easy swing on a high FB to the opposite field. BTW JO almost beat out a slower roller to SS. Third at-bat was awful. For some reason he wanted time. Didn’t get it. Took the pitch right down the middle.Fouled off second pitch. Tried to check his swing on an up-and-in on the hands FB.

    1. I think all the hype about Kyle Young is unfounded. Okay, he’s 7 foot. But he throws 90 MPH. I don’t get it.

        1. I think if his velocity was going to increase we would have seen that by now (or at least the early phases of that). I know, he’s a lefty, he has good control – I think it’s just chatter. He’s a tall soft tosser – and I don’t think he’s a prospect worthy of being excited about at this point. Right now, his upside is a #5 – he’s a very low grade prospect.

          1. Does have a lengthy and ‘closer- to-the- plate’ release point so that will help with perceived velocity with a further disadvantage to the hitter.

          2. Something that can’t be ignored though is the fact that because of his height the ball arrives differently than most pitchers. It’s coming in on a downward plane, which can make pitches appear to be arriving faster, and they also have less time to adjust because the release point is closer to the plate than say a pitcher who is 6’3”.

            I’m not saying he’s going to be a stud, but he does have some promise and projection.

            1. IMO, change his arm angle from currently somewhere between over- the- top and 3/4 , to slightly further sidearm with a whip action effect.
              The trade off….his velo would really pick up, but his control will suffer.
              It worked for Jake Diekman a few years ago.

            2. Yeah, it makes a tiny difference, but it’s all so overplayed. When he starts throwing 92-94 I’ll pay attention. Until then, he’s just another guy.

          3. We’ve seen some guys improve velocity even in their mid-20s, so I think that Young, at 20 years old, still has time. You’re right that additional velocity is not a given but even if he adds 2-3 mph that’s something to work with. I’d still probably rank him in the teens in our system, so it’s not like he’s approaching Sixto or Medina level.

          4. Catch to me a big guy like that who is lefthand will be okay with 90 to 91, He is right on top of you. The other day watching the draft on mlb I saw how with a guy that big and left handed. the downward plane is key for them, so I think he might be okay without the great velo. cause of his height and left hander.

    2. Good report Joe. Does Hagerstown still do Dollar Drafts on Thursday nights?

      1. They call it Thirsty Thursdays.

        Much talk about increase velocity reminds me of something I heard about the Houston Astro’s organization using analytics to increase it. Charlie Morton was never a fireballer but since joining the Astro’s system they increased his velo by 5 MPH and he’s over 30.How? By scrupulous attention to biomechanics and posture. This might not be the proper thread to discuss it but I know very little about what they are doing but it is hard to argue their starting pitchers are the best group in MLB. Their combined ERA is 1.95. Gets my attention when a Morton can show that much increase. Astros do this analysis from the bottom of their system to the top.

        Side note, I heard in this interview that even in Spring Training the Astros have five cameras located at various angles videoing. Take about paying attention to small details.

        Anyone with thoughts.Would think Kyle Young could benefit as well as others.

        1. I remember Morton throwing 95 in his few starts before his injury. Couldn’t believe they didn’t bring him back. Big mistake.

  4. catch … I like Young, but he seems like another Eshelman to me. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Both can be successful with pinpoint control and a variety of pitches at different speeds. It seems that Eshelman has hit his ceiling at AAA, and maybe Young will too, but the Phillies have the luxury of time on their side.

  5. Given his age and his ability to only play first base which Hall needs to do at reading since he’s the more likely prospect to make it at MLB level, how about the crazy idea of having Listi double jump and play first base at LVH.?
    There’s nothing left for him to do but continue to punish pitching at A+ level

      1. rocco……jeez-Louise, cut him a break….he spent a year in the USMC in 2015.

        1. Romus its you fault. you broke up with this girl from weight watchers, she is too much for me. I am out of Viagra. And cant get anyone from the dealers until Saturday night. I am taking her out tonight again. what do I do???

          1. Romus I just saw the replay of the play at the plate. Are they kidding. No clear path. what a bunch of bull. That was a terrible call.

  6. It seems the Phillies are stockpiling first basemen options. Santana, Hoskins, Hall, Listi, Cozens, Ortiz, and Meneses. I think that Kyle Martin’s days are numbered. Good luck to him.

    1. the Phils has control over Kyle Martin for at least 3 more years so they might keep him and play 1B/LF in LHV for the rest of his stay unless he figured out something. Leibrandt and Viza will probably hand around too for another 2 years as org fillers. But prospects like Emmanuel Marrero, Hallead and Stankie are gone.

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