Box Score Recap – 9/2/2013

Box Score Recap

Winding down – Lakewood’s finale was calcelled by weather, so there were only three games Monday. Lehigh Valley was blanked on two hits. Several members of that squad were called up after the game, including 40-man guys Galvis, Cloyd, Savery, Garcia and Mauricio Robles. Tyson Gillies was transferred to the 60-day DL, ending his hopes for a call-up, but making room on the 40-man for Cameron Rupp, who was added to the big league roster. 

Maikel Franco was not added, despite assurances from anonymous posters here that he would be, but he did cap off his fine year by going 3-4 with a double, to finish with a AA OPS of .926 after an A+ OPS of .925. Pretty remarkable. Severino Gonzalez made his AA debut in place of Jesse Biddle, (I saw no word on why exactly Biddle was held out). Gonzalez reportedly threw FBs at 87-89, according to @chrismellon from BP, which is lower than we’ve seen in previous reports. It’s been a long year for the 20-year old, so maybe we’re just seeing a little fatigue, or maybe 87-89 is closer to his norm than the 94 we saw earlier in the summer. We shall see. He’ll be a tough guy to rank this winter.

And Dylan Cozens tallied his ninth HR of the year. He’s got two games left to try to get to double digits, while Zach Green goes for 14 to potentially break the Cutters record for HR in a season.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130902

9-2-13 boxscores

35 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 9/2/2013”

    1. With Martin and Pettibone in the bigs, that isn’t at all wild. Morgan not having velocity back and then what sounds like further shoulder problems is a very serious concern. Watson wasn’t hitting all that well when he went out injured.

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        1. Actually allentown, if you look at Shane Watson’s numbers IAW his age, he had an average but not poor season. His H/9 was good, BB/9 avergae to poor, SO/9 @ 6.6 was average and a WHIP of 1.26 was decent. Total IPs was very low, due to the health issues.
          I grade him somewhere around a B- or C+.

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          1. I think you’ve pretty much defined ‘pitching not all that well’. A C+ and ending the year on the DL should not put one #2 on our list of pitching prospects, especially when the pitcher is way down the line in A ball and has a lot of development/injury avoidance ahead of him. I still rank him ahead of Morgan, because his injury seems, from what I can gather from my distant vantage point, to be less serious than Morgan’s. Then again, we really don’t have a truly solid pitching prospect in the system. The state of pitching on the pharm is way behind the inventory of likely future major league position players, even counting Asche and Ruf as having graduated. Biddle has been very inconsistent and extremely wild at times, raising the question of whether or not he also is injured. Gueller has shown little. Buchanan seems to be a likely # starter. I think Severino can be ranked 2nd, still behind Biddle, among a very diminished list of pitching prospects.

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            1. I guess we will agree to disagree.
              I say ‘average’ year, and you say ‘pitching not all that well’…can I assume that you may mean ‘below average’?
              John Sickels, I once heard, say a C+ from given to an A-level player is not really that bad and shows promise.

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            2. Average year is a compliment for a guy down the top 30 list. For a guy who was being discussed here as whether or not he is the #2 pitching prospect in the system, “average year, with injury” is far from a plus. He still has his talent. If healthy he could burst forth in 2014, but given the position of Watson on our top 30 coming into the season, I think it fair to say that, for him, his 2013 results constitute pitching not all that well. Not all that well is not to be equated with pitching poorly. It is the gentleman’s C, or slightly above, but not what you want to see from a top prospect. Handzus’s comment that Watson’s use of his two best pitches was limited is valid, and that does cast a better light on Watson’s performance. Still, we have the illustrative case of Gavin Floyd, who never became the pitcher he was, before his best pitch was taken away from him. It is not always an easy thing to put a great pitch on the shelf, while you work on other pitches, and then pick it back up off the shelf a year or two later. It is no longer shiny and sparkly. The diamond may have become ordinary, as the player has lost his feel for it. Part of this loss of feel may be subtle changes in delivery as the pitcher accommodates in tiny ways to optimize his success with the new pitch he is supposed to use. The other factor may be the loss of the ingrained muscle memory necessary to return the abandoned pitch to its gem status. Floyd never did make the transition back, and he was the most talented pitcher the Phillies drafted in a generation, even better raw stuff than Hamels, when we signed him. He just did not survive the remaking of his style.

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            3. This is one instance where we have info on a prospect that goes beyond the numbers. They really limited the use of Watson’s 2 best pitches, and I don’t think that’s any small thing. If we take that into consideration, I think we have to be at least satisfied with his performance, especially considering his last 10 starts were good overall, so he was showing improvement.

              The injury concern is legit, but probably isn’t something to panic over at this point. And there just aren’t that many good pitching prospects in the system ahead of him.

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    2. I still have Watson ahead of him, because we just don’t know what Sev’s fastball is going to be like. But yeah, I guess I’d still put Severino after him, third in our system (4th if we’re counting MAG, 5th if E-Mart still counts).

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      1. Phillies are really concerned about some of these guys on 40man going to waivers?
        What do they need them for? To win games? To eat innings?
        Pretty soon Phillies are going to have to protect some guys on 40man anyway and drop some of the fluff. Just do it now and let the kids play.

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      2. They didn’t need to clear a 40-man spot for Rupp–they were at 38 after trading Young and McDonald. Gillies is not showing up on the DL on the phillies.com roster (and Rupp has been added to the roster there).

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  3. I’m going to look either really smart or really stupid here, and say Cozens will be our big breakout positional player, and Watson will be our breakout pitching prospect. I know a lot of people here are actually disappointed in Watson’s season, but I am somewhat impressed. They took away his best pitch for the first few innings of each start and he still had good peripherals. Also, one scout was quoted as saying his fastball could sit higher and that he has TOR potential. I know some aren’t high on him, but clearly, I am.

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    1. Don’t think you’re really going out on a limb with Cozens here but I still think Watson has loads of untapped potential.

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      1. I like each of Green, Cozens and Watson. I was sort of down on Watson, but now I think he’s going to have a FB that sits in the low to mid-90s and, if so, he’s a really excellent prospect and has a chance to sit at the top of the rotation.

        By the way, I know Martin has his share of problems, but the raw stuff is actually quite good. I also like that, last night, he seemed better at pacing himself. Even though his statistics in the big league stink, I’m quite bullish on Martin, although I’m not sure it’s as a starter.

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  4. i get this eerie feeling that Severino is Julio Rodriguez 2.0. Video game-like numbers in the low minors and questions about overall velocity. We all said AA was the place for J-Rod to show us and now we’ll say the same thing about Severino … I so HOPE he is not an updated version of J-Rod.

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    2. i don’t remember BA or any other publication talking up Jrod. Jrod was a figment of our box score imagination.

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  6. “Franco was not added, despite the assurances from anonymous here that he would be” haha love how you threw that into the introduction. Not sure why anyone thought he’d be called up when high front office members have said several times that he WOULDN’T be called up.

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    1. Though Ruben did say yesterday there were ‘internal discussions’ on that matter.
      So it would appear there was some thought to the pros and cons of calling him up.

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      1. I’m sure there are internal discussions on A LOT of the prospects at AA/AAA and maybe even some relief arms in High A. Looper made the comment that his ETA is 2015 and nothing earlier . . Not sure that I agree with 2015 but def agree with not calling him up now.

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        1. They gave him a week to see how he could handle first. If the organization thought he could handle it easily without it being a distraction from his offensive game, he was going to be called up. The reality was that he didn’t get comfrotable enough in 7 games for them to do it.

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        2. Trying to remember the last time an AA player was called up at the Sept 1st call-up date.
          Do not recall one ever was. I know Kendrick was a mid-season call-up in an emergency in 07.

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    1. Question was asked yesterday were there ever any other times two Latin players won the award in the same year.
      I think this is a first time occurence.

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      1. It is the first occurrence. In the history of Phillies minor league pitcher and position player of the year awards never has Latin players won both awards in the same year. In fact in the list of the 56 winners of the awards there have been only three Latin players to win the awards: Robinson Tejeda, Carlos Carrasco, and Freddy Galvis. In fact, only 5 foreign players have ever won the awards. In addition to the above 3 the only other foreign players to win were Scott Mathieson and Scott Michinson.

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        1. What year did Tejada win the award? I don’t remember him ever having a REAL GOOD minor league season however I always liked him as an arm. He routinely gave up less hits then innings pitched (by a good amount) and K’ed his fair share of hitters as well (walked too many hitters tho).

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