73 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 31 July 2011

  1. DeFratus looking good. Lidge is probably coming off the books after this season, so Ruben could set up a competition between DeFratus, Aumont and Schwimmer to seize this spot. Also guys like Herndon need to mind their p’s and q’s. I did read Lamar saying that DeFratus would start next season in triple A. However, you’ve got to think all three of these pitchers hit the bigs at the latest in 2013. Nice wave.
    Any word on Gauntlett Eldemire? Assessing the system after the trade, it’s still good. Cosart gone, but Biddle, Colvin and May remain. Wasn’t there some buzz that Walter could join this group? Singleton gone, but Larry Greene will soon arrive and hopefully fill that void. Zeid probably would have had a hard time breaking into our bullpen given the guys in front of him. The fruits of the 2011 draft have yet to unfold.

  2. Even without Singleton and Cosart, I’m still reasonably happy with our system. Extremely glad we didn’t trade for Mike Adams or Heath Bell, we’ve got younger versions of them in Schwim, Aumont, and DeFratus.


    Heard a report that SD wanted two of three of Aumont, DeFratus, and Schwimer for Bell but RAJ would only give up one, and it couldn’t be JDF. Think he made the right move

    1. Agree. He of 9.x career k/9 is at 6.x this year… the ERA is still good but for a 33 year old I can’t help but wonder if a rapid falloff is coming soon. Maybe the success of Bastardo and Stutes will help the Phils to trust their young bullpen guys more. Madson plus that gaggle of pre-arb guys would be a pretty good, and cheap, bullpen.

  4. Nice game for Dugan.
    Good to see three hits for Duran tonight.
    Two hits for Mattair, that’s nice. Good start for Julio Rodriguez. Really nice to see 6 Ks against 1 walk.
    Nice game for Galvis and fantastic game for Carlos Rivero.
    Brown on base three times, unsurprisingly. Nice relief outing for DeFratus.

  5. What happened to the daily Derrick Mitchell report. Loved hearing what “mitch” was doing every second he was on the field for his June hot streak.

  6. Not seeing the ball well right now everyone go’s through it, Mitchell will come back. still was on base three times last night, that’s still helping yourvteam.

  7. You know, 18 year-old Domingo Santana may not be having a breakout season, but he’s really holding his own just fine at Lakewood this year. He’ll be one of the youngest players in the league at Clearwater next year (I assume he gets promoted). If he turns the corner and becomes the player we think he might become, the loss of Singleton will be all the more tolerable.

    1. catch22….next time you are at a Lakewood game, take a long close look at him—then tell me if you think he is still just 18.

      1. Given that he grew up as a middle class kid in the Bahamas, I think it is highly likely that he is 18. He is a big kid and big kids always look older than their age group. His progression this year is exactly the kind of progress one would hope for from a raw player learning to hit. He is a candidate for a breakout in a year or two.

      2. God, this borderline racism is becoming exhausting.

        “OMG, in my uninformed opinion he looks older than his stated age! Must be lying, because all hispanic-looking people lie to improve their position in life! Check his papers, ‘caase he’s probably an illegal as well.”

        Believe it or not, sometimes people look older or younger than average, whether due to size or facial features. I doubt you’d say the same thing about some white guy coming from a similar situation.

  8. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.348) 1 for 2 with 2 BB, HBP
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.3121) – 0 for 4 with a K
    8. RHP – Vance Worley (PHI-9/25/87) – (7-1, 2.33) – 6 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, BB, 7 K
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (LHV-10/21/87) – (2-1, 4.32, 2 SV) –2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K
    11. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (CLW-8/29/90)- (13-6, 3.03) – 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB, 6 K
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.261) – 0 for 4 with a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.266) 2 for 4 with a 2B (25), 2 runs, 2 K
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.272) – 0 for 3 with a K
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.289) – 0 for 4 with a BB, K
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.298) – 2 for 3 with a 2B (4), run, 2 RBI (18), BB


    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.221) – 0 for 3
    2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.199) 0 for 3
    3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) –(.285) 3 for 3 with 3 2B (31), RBI (53), 3 runs, SB (3)
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.257) 3 for 4 with an RBI (23), K
    3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.273) – 1 for 4 with an RBI (28), 2 K
    3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.269) – 0 for 4 with 2 K
    SS – Freddy Galvis (REA-11/14/89) – (.273) –2 for 6 with a 2B (22), run, RBI (35), 2 K
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.257) 3 for 4 with an RBI (42
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.269) – 0 for 4 with a run, BB
    OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.262) – 0 for 5 with 2 K’s
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.241) – 2 for 4 with a HR (11), 2 RBI (43), SB (28), 3 runs, K
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (REA-9/17/85) – (4-4, 4.64) –0.1 Ip, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, K
    RHP – Eric Pettis (CLW-6/9/88) – (1-2, 3.10, 3 SV) –2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K
    RHP – Juary Gomez (WIL-5/23/90) – (3-0, 2.59, 6 SV) – 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 2 K (save)
    RHP – Lino Martinez (WIL-9/17/92) – (4-2, 3.09) – 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    RHP – Hector Neris (WIL-6/14/89) – (1-1, 1.17) 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K

    1. Your list shrunk. It’s the type of thing that happens every trading deadline.

      I remember a couple of years ago there was talk of every major prospect going in some trade or other. James made a great comment at the time. He said if those trades happen, I’ll have to shut down the site. A lot of good/great prospects have gone over the years but this site endures. Ketch, you’re one of the reasons that this site is well beyond any other site. Thanks for all you do.

  9. Wow after the trade i thought the farm system was shutting down! I hope we dont lose Lisalberto as the PTBNL. Liking what Kelly Dugan is doing. I still have Carlos Riviero starting at 3b for Phils in 2013. Also what happened to Cartwright ( i think that was his name guy we traded for Escalona) Injured?

    1. I was prepared to scoff at that Rivero comment, but in truth a 23 year old with an OPS approaching 800 in AA is probably prospect-worthy. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on all the year-end top 30s. I still doubt he would end up starting in Philly (I expect their next 3B will be from outside the organization), but he could be a useful trade chip going forward.

      1. I kinda jumped on Rieviro 2 months ago when he was hot…then i figured i jinxed him but he had a real strong July and at 23 is very encouraging. Polanco will be at 3rd next year and hopefully Riviero will be AAA setting up him for 2013. Sure I rather have David Wright…lol…but if not Riviero!

        1. None of this is necessarily a comment on Rivero, but based on what we’ve seen over the past week, the team is obviously very reluctant to rely on rookies in a pennant race. 2013 will be Uncle Charlie’s last year, and I really don’t see them throwing out a lineup with an unproven rookie at 3rd. It (probably) won’t be Wright, but bet on them acquiring somebody either at the deadline next year or in the 2012 offseason.

      2. Cleveland really didn’t want to lose him last year in the Rule 5—-maybe they would be a willing partner in a trade down the road to get him back in their organization..

        1. They didn’t lose him in the rule 5. They lost him because they tried to slip him off of their 40 man roster, to make room for others. Similar to what the Phillies did with Jesus Sanchez, last year. Rivero had a terrible year, last year, so I’m guessing the Indians did not believe anyone would take him.

      3. I am waiting for him to get out of Reading to see if he can maintain the power numbers. Neil Sellers looked terrific at Reading, but not so well at Lehigh Valley. It is something to watch. Also Derrick Mitchell is in that telescope.

  10. Found this on another site:

    Starting pitcher Austin Wright was promoted to low-A Lakewood on Sunday. To take his place on the roster, the Crosscutters activated right-hand pitcher Perci Garner from the disabled list

    1. Wright’s a good choice for the promotion. They had to run 4 relievers out there yesterday. Hollands started and pitched the 1st 3 innings. He was moved to the bullpen a while ago to limit his innings and hopefully get more production out of him. I don’t think he’s going to start the rest of the season. He was just keeping a spot warm for Wright.

  11. A Perci Garner sighting? !!

    Rivero’s 3 2bhs yesterday begs the question: what kind of 3b does he play? Defense is very important to a Phils team that relies heavily on pitching with fielding on the other side of that coin. So does Rivero have a good enough glove and arm to fit that requirement?

    Also note his splits: lousy vs. righty pitchers, good vs lefties. Only 23? Could ’12 at LV be on the way to 3rd base for Phils in ’13, when Polanco’s contract will have expired…?

    1. Everything I’ve read is that he makes the Rizz look like Ozzy smith.
      He has a TON of errors this year and had quite a few last year as well.

      Initially he seemed to get some OK Def reviews as a SS when he was younger, but regressed last year and completely tanked this year. (.915 at 3B – OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!)

  12. P.S. Expect to see that Larry Green’s glove should be a 1st baseman’s glove..

    A slugging lefty at first base. Where did I hear of that before? Plan ahead….which is what Reuben did in the draft by choosing Howard’s hoped-for replacement at his contract’s end. Also, freed up Singleton to be used in a possible trade to aid the big club in ’11.

    Time to acknowledge Reuben’s ability to think ahead. Fine chess player. Congrats to him and his crew!

  13. I’ve seen a lot of comments saying that Greene in the near term will replace Singleton in terms of a power-hitting prospect and in the long term will replace Howard. I’m not sure where this confidence is coming from. The Phils would be immensely fortunate if Greene can replicate Singleton’s work so far. Singleton is a top 30 or 40 prospect in all the minor leagues, some say higher. Let’s not put such expectations, or even hopes, on a guy who undoubtedly has power but is also supposed to be very raw. I sincerely doubt the Phils were thinking that trading Singleton is no problem because they drafted another guy who will replicate what Singleton has done. LG sounds pretty good, but personally I think we should temper our enthusiasm a bit.

    1. I agree. It’s crazy to annoint anyone who was just drafted, especially someone who wasn’t drafted in the top 5, as the next replacement for Howard or even a replacement for a guy like Singleton. It’s okay to wish, hope and pray but let’s let the guy be who he will be. Hopefully, he’ll surpass everyone’s expectations. And let’s get him signed first.

      1. Huh? Singleton was taken in the 8th round and Howard in the 5th round. Therefore it is possible to find talent outside of the top 5.

        1. Right, but the bust rate is a lot higher. We know Howard wasn’t a bust and Singleton at least got to where he is without flaming out yet. Greene could do it, but obviously not every sandwich pick becomes a productive major leaguer or even a top #50 prospect.

          I do like the pick though. Anyone who gets recruited by the Crimson Tide has to be a pretty great athlete.

        2. Agree 100% with Boston Phan.

          There are very few sure things in the baseball draft. The Bryce Harpers and A-Rods of the world are always taken in the top 5, and are the closest there is to a sure thing. Outside of these few, you roll the dice and try to draft as many potential future-MLBers as possible, and hope that at least some pan out.

          I would not lay any money on Greene replacing Singleton, given that he’s officially been a Phillie for like a week or two. Plenty of better prospects have flamed out spectacularly.

  14. Im seeing my first ever minor league games this week. My solo road trip stops at williamsport tonight, reading tomorrow, nyc, and then back up north. I should see 4 games and get a chooch-owl.

    I read this site as much as anyone, but could use some tips. What do you want to know about the crosscutters tonight? Where should I sit? Are there a few players/things to focus on?

    And last, anyone gonna be there?

    1. Jared, thanks for reaching out. Anything you see that won’t show up in a box score is useful. For example, Franco makes two errors but they were amazing plays that no one else would try, or Dugan goes 2 for 4 but looked overmatched and got lucky on a bloop hit and an infield single.

      Mitch Rupert and Jslasher88 do a good job of keeping us informed, but it’s always nice to get more opinions.

      Also, I think PP has asked people to track pitching data when they go to games. You might want to email him and see if you can help out.

      By the way, Mitch is looking prescient on Dugan. He’s been on fire of late. Let’s hope he keeps it up.

      1. Thanks. Ill def keep my eyes out for anything unrelated to boxscores. Is dugan the top guy to watch?

    2. Unfortunately no radar gun at Williamsport (I can’t talk the GM to putting one in). You can get general admission tickets and sit right behind home plate or pay the extra $2 or so and get a box seat. Box seats right behind the plate are usually reserved for family, scouts and players charting pitches.

      Colin Kleven is expected to start tonight. Last I heard I think Garner is pitching tomorrow in Brooklyn backing up Bryan Morgado who is taking Wright’s spot in the rotation. So folks here will no longer have to differentiate from Morgan and Morgado pitching on the same day.

      Harold Martinez should get the start at third with Franco as the DH, they seem to do a flip flop of that every two days or so. Altherr, Hudson and Dugan have turned in to a tremendous defensive outfield. Watch the effortless way Altherr and Hudson cover ground, it’s really a lot of fun to watch.

      1. Thanks a lot, Mitch.

        To me the WPT pitching is really interesting to follow. Morgado has been getting better, Nesseth is doing well, and now Garner is coming back. All three of those guys have at one time or another been said to have a lot of talent but with some challenges in realizing it. I know they are all older than usual for prospects in the NYPL, but I find them intriguing.

        I’m happy for Wright getting promoted – I remember the phrase “untapped potential” when reading scouting reports about him. But Morgan and Nesseth must feel a little bit like chopped liver considering their respective performances so far compared to Wright.

  15. I’m interested in the following players: Mikail Franco, Harold Martinez, Kelly Dugan and Kyrell Hudson. Bryan Morgado is also a guy that interests me. I’d like to hear how they look in the field and at the plate. How hard does Morgado throw? What’s his command like? How fast is Hudson? Are certain hitters more patient than others? Are the hitters hitting big league fastballs? How hard do they hit it and what is the sound like when they make contact? Does anyone make mental mistakes or show a lack of interest in the game? Thanks for doing this.

  16. Interesting how 4 months ago we all thought Utley was done, Galvis wasn’t a prospect, we didn’t have a 3B prospect in the system, and Rollins’ health and production were question marks. Now 4 months later, Utley’s knee seems fine, Rollins is staying healthy so far and having a decent year, Rivero has emerged as a possible 3B option in the future, and Galvis is a legit prospect.

    If the Phils resign Rollins (very likely) and Galvis has a real strong year at AAA in ’12, I would not be surprised if the Phils made room for him by moving Rollins to 3B. Jimmy continues to play a mean SS but as he gets towards his mid thirties his range will decrease and he’d probably be an above average 3B defensively.

    1. Plus, Mattair has played himself back to being a fringey prospect and Franko and Martinez have been pretty solid at Williamsport

    2. Not everyone thought Utley was done. I would in fact argue that the only people who believed so were hopelessly uninformed.

      I agree with most of what you said otherwise, except for Rollins. I think there is a >50% chance of resigning, but I am not as confident as you are. I also see nothing to indicate his defense is slowing down. Moving him to 3B is an interesting possibility, if Galvis continues to exceed expectations.

      1. Zero chance that Rollins moves to 3rd. He’s still a terrific SS and his bat only works at SS. Thye have to resign him for lots of reasons but Jimmy will make them pay.

        1. Jimmy could play 3rd base for the Phillies, but he won’t. Compare the career OPS of the Phillies current 3rd baseman with that of Rollins (and that’s ignoring how good of a baserunner Jimmy is). He wouldn’t be great offensively, but I think he would more than make up for that defensively.

          That said, I really don’t see it happening. I don’t think Galvis will be ready to start for a playoff contending team in 2012 or 2013,so they’ll probably sign someone at 3rd base in 2013. My guess is that they sign J-Roll to a three year deal if possible and then if Galvis continues hitting, have Galvis as a utility man the last year or two of Rollins’s contract. I mean, Galvis is doing well this season, and he’s a nice prospect, but he’s not someone you absolutely have to make room for.

      2. I agree his defense at SS is great now at 32 I think. My point is that at 34 or 35 that “might” be different.

        I also think his bata could play ok at 3B if you look at Polanco’s numbers. If he hits 275 and hits 15-20 H R’s, that’s not too bad.

    1. With Buchanan going to CLW–I guess we can assume he is not one of the PTBNL in the Astro trade.

  17. Anyone else care to speculate what other minor league movements will occur soon? I’d be surprised if Rivero and to a smaller degree Galvis don’t get called up to AAA.

    1. There’s no reason to call up Galvis…let him finish a fantastically successful year (for him anyway) in AA. He’s still young for the Eastern League so there’s no rush and he likely gets a ST invite next year for a long look at his future potential as a utility infielder.

  18. I don’t see Galvis getting moved to AAA but in a strange twist, I can see the Phillies giving him a September call-up just as a way to give him a feel for a ML atmosphere during a pennant race.

    1. It wouldn’t be the first time they ever did that so yeah, I could see it. His glove really is special.

      1. I am pretty sure once rosters expand there is no service time accrued since they are not a part of the active/25 man roster.

    2. In addition depending on how the division race is at that point I could see him getting some spot starts at SS to give Rollins a breather and just show him some Major League pitching (I expect a similar relation with MM and Polanco/Utley/Victorino)

  19. Im at bowman field. 3 hours early. Notes so far: its raining and cold. I have the best seat in the parking lot. Pretty sure the gates are locked. Ill try to work my magic and get. Alternative it sitting in the car

      1. I pretty much just walked in with a pen and notebook. My good looks probably distracted security.

        We have some lanky read head who works harder than everyone else and a kid with funky pointy hair who doesn’t seem to care.

        Haven’t received an email yet. Still only person here.

  20. Reading a football article from Peter King and came across this comment from him

    The Phillies must have the greatest minor league system of all time. It’s brought them Hunter Pence, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt in the last two years.

    1. Good shot, Tom.

      Re: Greene and 1st base. It IS better to have an aim and plan, no? That’s why I commend Reuben for thinking ahead as some here don’t appreciate or acknowledge.

      Having an idea about the future as well as the present is what distinguishes GMs one from the other. Reuben’s continuing success in providing the Phils with maintaining a team ready to compete for championships is certainly not perceived by some here.

      His and my thoughts about having Greene as the candidate (not to the exclusion of all others) to replace Howard when Howard’s done…is one advantage Reuben has over those who can only think short term. Making him our 1st choice allowed Reuben to have Singleton available to help get a position of need filled…now.

      So if when the Phils are successful in going for to the end of the playoffs, we can thank Reuben’s forethought in filling that greatly needed RF righty hitter All-Star…without whom our chances of getting to the WS are less.

      Advantage: Philles and we fans. A lot better than seeking to find “unlikeliness” in such moves, which in fact place Reuben among the elite GMs in the bigs.

      Find a need and fill it. Both as to future 1st base AND present RF!!

      About time the kvetches here get an appreciation of the joy and happiness we’ve had at the hands of Reuben and his cooperative owners. And get some forward looking acknowledgement that we can expect this to continue for several years to come.

      As a fan for 65 years of this team, I can tell you that NEVER has this franchise had any semblance of continuing competitive success in all my years of fandom. It does irk me to read and hear those who cannot grasp that and appreciate the people behind it all.

  21. For anyone who is interested, the Phillies minor league league team the Williamsport Crosscutter’s game with the Brooklyn Cyclones will be on TV in High Def on Thursday August 4 at 7:00 pm on the sports channel SNY. If you get Directv it will be on channel 639.

  22. So it looks like Rivero has a horrible glove but this kid is starting to really show as the whole season progresses a nice bat……he has 30 some doubles already to go along with 11hrs……a solid average and not as many Ks as i would expect. I think the Phils may have something here. If anything he could be another prospect to trade for more proven MLB talent. I’d like to see Michael Jack work with this kids glove in ST next yr….

    1. Parent said he plays great defense. It’s not like Rizzotti is doing him any favors at first base.

      1. Another prospect mystery a la the mph of J-Rod’s fast ball. Can he or can’t he play good defense at 3rd base? Do scouts issue any opinion…other than Parent who would support his player, understandably.

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