69 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 25 June 2011

  1. So Madson hasn’t pitched since last Saturday and needs another couple of days. Why not DL him?

      1. Don’t really see an upside to having him available if he is not available for 4 days. Giving him 3 extra days isn’t going to hurt the team. Meaningless series

  2. Already started the Pointer fan club!! Might want to start the Josh Warner fan club just because he is from Surfer’s Paradise Australia. Couple of walk offs last nigt for the teams. Lakewood with Duran and Williamsport with Hudson. Unfortunately Reading lost in a walk off

  3. I signed up for that bandwagon last year, does my name automatically carry over, or do i need to re-register?

    good numbers by colvin and claypool. Hopefully those two are lights out all second half.

  4. How bout Hudson redeeming himself after that double play with the game winning hit? Good to see.

  5. Downturn For Cody Overbeck of LVIP as 0-4 with 4 Strikeouts. Might have gotten one or two v. opposing starter Joseph Bisenius who went 4 IP w/ 9K. Other opposing pitchers added 8 strikeouts for 17 in total. Only LVIP not K’ing were Barfield and Kratz 2-3.

    WPT- Yeah, Hudson drove in Black to end game, Hudson only player with 3 hits but also only player with 5 AB. Top 3 in line-up Hudson, Dugan, Asche hitting well. Also Altherr. Franco lulling a bit.

    1. Had to go back and look up Martinez. DH’ed with Franco at 3B. 0-3 with walk and strikeout (.223 for early season).

  6. And again the transactions section does not appear on top of this page. Maybe so many in the last few days blew it up.

  7. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.208) 0 for 4 with a K
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-3, 4.47) – 7 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB and 2 K’s
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.278) –1 for 3 with a 2B (10) and a B
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.350) – 1 for 4 with a run and 2 K’s
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.257) – 1 for 2 with an RBI (19), BB and K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.266) 1 for 4 with a 2B (16), run, and RBI (18)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.310) – 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.217) – 1 for 3 with a run
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.259) – 0 for 5 with 2 K’s
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (Lehigh Valley) – (0-0, 5.79) – 1.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB and 4 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.291) – 0 for 4 with a BB
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.278) – 1 for3 with a 2B and RBI (7)
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (Williamsport) –(.286) – 2 for 4 with an RBI (3)


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.133) 0 for 4 with 4 K’s
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.252) – 1 for 4 with a BB and K
    3B – Maikel Franco (Williamsport) – (.258) – 0 for 4 with a K
    3B – Harold Martinez (Williamsport) – (.227) – 0 for 3 with a BB and K
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – (.276) 2 for 3 with an RBI (2) and CS (1)
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.277) –1 for 3 with a 2 BB
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL) – (.319) – 1 for 4
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.256) – 0 for 5 with 3 K’s
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.286) – 1 for 4 with a BB and a K
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (310) – 0 for 1
    OF – Joe Savery (Redding) –(.188) – 1 for 4 with 1 2B (2), BB and K
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.264) – 2 for 7 with a run, SB (21) and 3 K’s
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.247) – 2 for 6 with a HR, RBI (30) and 2 K’s
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (Williamsport) – (.297) – 3 for 5 with a run and RBI (3)
    OF – Brian Pointer (GCL) – (.364) – 3 for 4 with a 2B (5), 3B (1), run, 2 RBI (3) and BB
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL) – (.309) – 1 for 2
    LHP – Mike Zagurski (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 2.13, 10 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 3 K’s
    RHP – Justin Friend (Redding) – (0-1, 5.40, 0 SV) – 0.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, BB and K (loss)
    RHP – Garett Claypool (Lakewood) – (3-3, 3.01) – 6 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 1 ER, BB and 6 K’s (win)
    RHP – Lisalberto Bonilla (Lakewood) – (0-1, 1.83, 4 SV) – 6 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB and 6 K’s

  8. Bob Brookover seems to value minor league relievers a little more than he should based on his mid-season top 10. De Fratus #5, Aumont #7, Schwimer #10. While Trevor May is #9. Rodriguez and Colvin not in the top 10.

    1. I agree that as a whole, relief prospects (especially non-closer prospects), are less valuable than starting pitchers, closers, and position players. But on the flip side, look at what Stutes and Bastardo have done for the big club this year. Absolutely remarkable – they’re both performing like a 4-5M veteran middle relief guy would (if not better). This gives even more support for ditching high priced guys next year. Hopefully Charlie and Ruben learned their lesson this year – young guys can be effective middle relievers.

      1. Only thing is, Bastardo and Stutes were STARTERS in the minor leagues. They only became relievers when they got to AAA and/or Major Leagues. If you are looking at projection, from my point of view, it is hard for me to believe that Trevor May and Colvin wouldn’t perform as well or better, than DeFratus, if they were given the lesser task of being a relief pitcher.

        1. That’s a good point you make – both guys were starters up to the AA level. I guess it brings up an interesting question: How much do you discount guys just because the Phils felt they were better suited to being a relief pitcher? I think part of the Phils strategy as a whole is to acquire proven high quality starting pitchers (I know, I’m stating the obvious here), and I think that’s when they decided to make some pitchers relief pitchers right from the start.

          I do agree with you though, I think May could be an absolute beast as a closer. Who knows, once he hits AA, maybe he makes that switch. I think they’d like to see him get a little more command, if that ever happens for him, first.

          1. Why in the world would you want to make a closer out of a prospect with May’s upside? The only possible way that would even begin to make sense would be if he fails as a starter.

            1. That’s a reflection of the fact tht he has great stuff but stuff that might – might – play better as a closer. But that won’t happen – and shouldn’t happen – unless he fails as a starter. It would be insane to move any of these guys to closer unless they fail as a starter.

            2. I think it has a lot to do with him not really having much of a 3rd pitch right now… His 2 pitch mix could be devastating at the back end of the game. But yes we are a ways off from them even thinking about it.

      1. Since Brookover felt the need to embarrass himself with his top 10, I’ll embarrass myself.

        01. Cosart
        02. Singleton
        03. Valle
        04. May
        05. Biddle
        06. Colvin
        07. Rodriguez
        08. Pettibone
        09. C Hernandez
        10. Aumont

        1. Much better. I’d rearrange it a bit, and change out one or two of the names, but that’s a pretty good list.

          1. I know you are at least half joking/instigating, but: Galvis deserves consideration & would (barely) be in my top 10, but I understand people who might be more conservative about him.

            Mitchell – you have to understand, I actually have a lot of respect for what he is accomplishing this year, and am excited at his long terms potential as a 4th/5th OF. He has vaulted into the top 30 IMO, and arguably into the top 20. But top 10 – no. Top 10 in a system with the depth of the Phillies should be limited to potential regulars/starting pitchers. Which is also why Aumont would (barely) be outside my top 10, though I can see a case for him.

            1. I generally agree that relievers shouldn’t be rated in top 10 lists. But I rate Aumont around ten, because I genuinely don’t see 10 impact regulars that have more upside or trade value than him. Many of the regulars have taken steps backwards, IMO. Aumont is also the only current reliever the system has, that I believe has “closer” upside. I see DeFratus and Schwimer as middle relievers.
              I do agree that Galvis deserves consideration at this point. Derrick Mitchell, no. Even though he seems to have stolen the Rizzotti cheering section.

            2. As I said, I understand the case for Aumont, and wouldn’t put him much lower than you do.

              As for Mitchell, it’s quite ironic that I end up being his defender, sort of, but the reason I distinquish him from Rizzotti is that he has the positional flexibility/defensive skill/broad range of skills to make a good back up. I don’t think needs to get much better to be a solid 5th OF, and I could even see him as a 4th OF if he makes signficant strides. Let’s say he can hit .260/.310/.400 as a back up, with good defense, ability to fill in at any OF position and even IF in a pinch , fast … that’s a major league player, even if clearly not a regular. Contrary to his fan’s hopes he IMO isn’t there yet, but at 24 there is SOME room for further growth. I could see him challenging for a back up spot as soon as next year.

              Or not – no guarentees here – he could regress, or even fail to progress, or even be one of many borderline talents who never gets a real shot at even a back up role. But I do think there is something there.

              (and I was referring to Ron, not you, as half joking – I know your list was serious and is IMO a reasonable one).

        2. Since everyone else is, I’ll do mine…

          1. Singleton
          2. Cosart
          3. May
          7. Galvis
          8. J Rod
          9. Santana
          10. C. Henrandez

  9. I’ll let other people join the Brian Pointer Fan Club. I’m still the founding member and chairperson of the Lisalberto Bonilla Fan Club. He’ll probably end up as a reliever down the road, but good K rate, good K:BB, good GO/AO. Nothing not to like there.

    1. I came here to make that same claim. I had Bonilla in my top 30 last year and I don’t recall another person who did. I challenge you to a duel!

  10. And poor Kyle Drabek lasted just 2/3 of an inning in his start for Triple-A Las Vegas Friday, allowing five runs on four hits and three walks while also throwing a wild pitch. Ouch. In his two outings since being demoted, Drabek has given up nine runs on 12 hits and 10 walks over just 4 2/3 innings. He’s clearly out of whack right now. It will be interesting to see if the Blue Jays consider shutting him down for a while in hopes that he can get his mechanics in order.
    And at one time, he was our number one prospect in 2009.

    1. Drabek doesn’t have the secondary pitch(Change -up) to get LH hitters out and is not overpowering. He also had shaky command. It’s funny how guys here got so upset when Keith Law said Drabek (when he was a Phillie) had the upside of a #3 pitcher.

      1. I watched a couple of his games, and one was against the Yankees. He didn’t challenge the hitters, which led to the pitching coach coming out and ripping him. He’s among the league worst in strike percentage, era, and walks.

  11. One question for you smart fellows. The phils have been hurt by fly balls to right center and even center lately. Are they over adjusting to make up for Rauls lack of range? e.g the key hit to almost dead center against Stutes.

    1. Raul still has range? Seriously, I believe Shane calls his own shots anymore—do not think the bench, at this point, positions him, they appear to let him decide.

    2. It certainly wouldn’t surprise me. Part of it also may be that Brown at this point is not a plus defender – I think he will be – but he isn’t now. Doesn’t explain balls to center, but explains right center possibly to some extent.

      For what it’s worth, on analytical fielding metrics (IMO less reliable than hitting metrics, especially over partial seasons, but IMO still somewhat reliable) , Victorino ranks very highly this season, Francisco actually a little above average, Brown a little below average, and Ibanez even worse than he had been in the past. As in, worst in the majors by far. As in about 15 runs below average – that is, Ibanez costs the team more defensively (compared to an average plaer) than any single Phillie contributes positively as a hitter (compared to an average player).

      Ibanez has been absolutely horrendous this year. Again I use WAR cautiously, especially for partial seasons, but per fangraphs, he is a win and a half worse than a replacement player. That is truly horrendous – worst position player in the majors.

      1. Honestly, for a team that is trying to contend for a championship, it is totally unacceptable to have corner outfielders who are so remarkably unproductive. This is a personnel planning issue and, frankly, they’ve done a pretty bad job of it with that position. You need to have a least one hitter at your corners – to have both of those positions be negatives is inconceivable. I would be shocked if they didn’t make at least one trade for a hitter before the deadline.

    1. From a Jan 21st, 2011 interview by TSPphilly.com:
      “MikeH: You lost half the 2010 season due to a lingering back injury. How is your back now and is this the kind of thing that will require you to prepare differently in the future?
      MattW: My back is feeling better. The problem started with a glute strain. As the season went on, it became more of an inflammation problem. The time off, with some adjustments to my posture habits, helped a lot. I’m feeling really good and I’m excited to get to Florida and start job hunting.”
      ——-back may have been reaggravated?

  12. I hope the ibanez era is now over, please go get a matt diaz for now someone who can hit a little and no more francisco. please amaro, I am really going nuts watching how bad they hit, especially with runner on third and less than two outs. I mention diaz cause I am desperate for a right hand bat, even without power, dont care,just someone who can hit a single with runners on and drive in a run or start a rally. martinez is a waste too.d

    1. I agree the Phils need to get a right handed bat. I was the biggest Ibanez fan but it is frustrating watching him bat. I would almost rather have Brandon Moss from AAA out there. Moss hit a go ahead 3 run hr today and is batting near .270 with 12 hrs and 45 rbis. But hopefully in the next month we see a Diaz, or Spillborghs or Cudduyer or Ludwick type player come to Philly.

      1. Raul, Martinez and Benny Francisco—hard watching them all play anymore. Have to believe Ruben and Charlie are experiencing the same agita we are.

  13. Never saw drabek pitch, read a lot about him, though he threw 93-95 with ,a good breaking ball, a number three , to me means nothing, wonder what they though of lee, and halladay, when they were coming up ,a lot of times guys are better than people think, he is still a young kid wonder what people would think if he still was a philly prospect? some guys need to come up and fail, to know what it takes to make it up in the bigs. I still believe from what I have read this kid will be a really good pitcher,

    1. His stuff has always been there, but right now, the problem is mental. He’s nibbling way too much, and when he gets into trouble, he loses composure on the mound.

  14. My top ten at this point:

    1. Singleton
    2. Cosart
    3. May
    4. Colvin
    5. Biddle
    6. Valle
    7. Aumont
    8. C.Hernandez
    9. Galvis
    10. James

    1. Replace James with Santana, and now you’re talking (although I might not put all of them in precisely the order you used).

      By the way, how about these splits – .347;.593;873 – what are these numbers? Cesar Hernandez’s OPS splits for April, May and June. Wow!!! Talk about rapid improvement!

      1. Santana’s on the bubble. Easily could slot in there, but I’m just really bullish on James’ defense. Keep in mind that James lost three spots off my preseason list on this ranking.

    2. Good list. I’m disappointed in James performance this year though. Hard for me to believe that James could demand more in trade than Pettibone right now.

  15. I am truly puzzled at management attitude, Raul and Baez especially. Every day I look to see what has happened to fix the situation. Who is in charge? Cholly has to be frustrated and RAJ is way to smart to let this go on. Or do they just like to torture the poor fans like us. AAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

    Another nice start Roy.

    1. at least the phillies have time to address this. the truth is, the team needs two decent outfielders, not just one, and i doubt amaro will acquire more than one. ibanez probably should be released.

    2. It’s so frustrating being only 19 games over .500. Who are the clowns in charge? They must go!

  16. Yooohooo management . Swim 4-0 as in zero. 2.03 ERA Yoooohooo are you there?

  17. While you are all right about Raul being terrible, we do have the best record in the majors don’t you think there is a slight overreaction going on?

    1. No. There is no over reaction. The best record means nothing when the playoffs begins (except game 7 at home in the NLCS).
      My reoccurring nightmare is that the Phillies trade for a RH bat and they use him as nothing but a platoon or they sit Dom Brown instead of Ibanez. The Phillies offensive situation is really so bad that they really need TWO bats for the World Series. The last thing I want to see is Ibanez in LF and Ben Francisco as DH or vice versa.

      1. Playoffs are as much luck as talent. Ibanez looks bad now and could not get hot again. But Utley and Howard should be the big guns on offense for this team. Adding a marginal player like Ludwick will not improve increase my expectation that he will turn into playoff Cody Ross of 2010 and the offense will not be a problem.

  18. Chuck Lamar in today’s paper: When we see Savery in Reading, we will know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether he is a major league prospect. So judging prospects is not an inexact science?

  19. We have not be playing any world beating teams lately, and ibanez, is giving us nothing, defense or offense, same with baez, mariners, stink, oakland stinks, cards without pujois stink and we still cant score runs, what happens when we face boston, atlanta, and the others with decent pitching and some offense??

  20. Speaking of lost his way, what is the latest on Tyson Gillies? Inquiring minds want to know. I have been one of his biggest supporters but must admit I am becoming quite concerned that his [ahem] leg injuries may be masking something a bit more troubling than that.

  21. Why isn’t Schwim in the majors? Is it lack of velocity? Not wanting to start his clock? 25 year old with a ridiculous K rate, who doesn’t walk batters or allow hits…what am i missing?

  22. The “clock” on a middle reliever doesn’t mean anything. What are the chances he becomes a super 2? Even if he achieved super 2, all that means is is they would have his rights until 2017 instead of 2018. I doubt that would preclude them from improving the team this year. There is not enough financial gain for that to be important.

  23. Schwim and Carpenter are next up. Chances are we will see them in the next couple months. At the least, we will have an edge in Sept. We can bring in 4th and 5th relievers in a game who are not stiffs (after the 1 or 2 mop-up appearances to calm the jitters).

  24. Savery brought in to pitch relief. Anyone in Reading see how hard he was throwing? Heard he was low 90’s in Clearwater – much faster than last year.

    Valle took a walk tonight…just saying.

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