64 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 19 June 2011

    1. Wasn’t pretty tonight at second base either. You can tell it’s been a while since he played the position. He made all the routine plays, but probably missed on one he should have had that cost them a run. Also cut off a throw that was on line to second from right field and likely would have cut down a runner stretching a single to a double. That runner eventually scored.

      Rough night all around. Timing looks off at the plate which is understandable since he hasn’t seen live pitching in a while. Would like to think he can only go up from here.

    2. 5 Ks in 7 ABs. Scary start but we’ve seen it before. Michael Taylor was a guy who took a few weeks to get his bearing before he settled in, Some guys need some time to adjust. We won’t throw the baby out with the bath water… just yet. I know you weren’t suggesting that but it felt good to say it.

  1. -Overbeck with a HR in AAA. Could he pass Mayberry as an outfield option in Philadelphia?

    -When will Susdorf join him in LV?

    -Derrick Mitchell and Freddy Galvis continue to rake.

    -Mathieson as a starter or are they just giving him work? Seems to have thrown well: 7Ks, 0BB, 1H in 3.2 IP

    -By the end of the year, the IronPigs could field a decent number of prospects, or at least players likely to see MLB time in their future. That is, if Philly doesn’t bring them all up when rosters expand. In 2012, Reading (and hopefully, eventually Lehigh Valley) will be stocked, with the five Threshers aces, Valle, Singleton(if promoted), Barnes, Castro, James, Ruf and Hernandez. It’ll be exciting to have viable big leaguers just over the horizon.

    1. Mayberry’s fielding + speed would mean that Overbeck would have to hit MUCH better than him to pass him up as an option.

      Mathieson was moved to SP because of numerous injuries and Gordon’s departure.

      1. In addition to the opportunity being there… if you believe the Inquirer a few days ago, Mathiesson actually requested to become a starter earlier this year.

    2. Overbeck has a huge upward climb to make to be considered for a roster spot in Philly. I like the guy a lot and he’s proven (at least to me) that he can hit for power and he might be a .270 hitter to boot. But his stock is as a 3rd or 4th piece of a trade, if a trade is wanted and needed. There are teams who wouldn’t mind having Overbeck in LF or DH but I don’t think Philly is one of them. The DH thing was a hint at to where he should end up.

      1. If there are teams that wouldnt mind having Overbeck in LF or DH, then why couldnt he be a bench player for the Phillies? Granted, I have never seen him play (and the reports on his fielding at 3B are not good), but if his bat plays well enough in the majors where you think he could be a LF or DH for someone then why cant he be a right handed bat with some pop off the bench and a spot starter at LF, 1B, and maybe (MAYBE) at 3B for us in a year or two?

        Sounds like if he keeps hitting with power and can hit .260 or .270 then he has a chance at the role maybe by the 2nd half of next year…

        1. If he really is good enough that some team will want him as a regular, his trade value will likely exceed his value as a backup in Philadelphia.

          But an eventual bench role with the Phillies is a possibility.

          In terms as a stop gap at 3B, no. I’m not qualified to judge his defense, but it’s fairly apparent that the Phillies don’t think he can play enough defense to play 3rd in the mjors, and I trust their judgment on that.

          1. I also trust their judgment on his fielding, which is why I never suggested he could be a stopgap at 3B. What I meant was he could be a bat off the bemch and maybe (MAYBE) make a spot start every once in a while at 3B, like Greg Dobbs did, while also maybe play 1B when facing a tough lefty and be the 5th OF…

      2. Yeah, if its one thing the Phillies care about its good defense in LF. That’s why we always get glove first guys at the position like Burrell and Ibanez.

    1. Even if they sign Jimmy Rollins to a 3-4 year extension, he’s still pretty much untouchable.

    2. Probably a good bit if he continues to post an OPS above .700. Elite defenders are pretty rare…not good defenders which are a dime a dozen but elite Gold Glover types.

  2. On Asche: Why would they take a player that is a ‘tick below average’ at 3B, and move him to the more difficult position of 2B? I read a report that said he lacked lateral quickness. That does not seem like a trait that would transfer to 2nd base.

    1. I thought Martinez looked like he could play there. And that would let Franco get regular time at 3rd.

    2. Maybe they are just getting him at bats. With their draft they have a logjam at 3B (and SS at GCL in a while hopefully). This will sort itself out in a year or two.

    3. Utley lacked lateral quickness at that age too…maybe our scouts/coaches see him as teachable?

      Worth a shot to see if it happens at least

    4. I could see exactly what you mean in the lack of lateral quickness, but I think that’s something that can be learned with time. Remember when the Phillies wanted Utley to play third base because of his lack of lateral quickness? He certainly had a rough night last night, but it was the first time he’s played second since high school. And if you have to play the position, there’s worse people you could learn from than Mickey Morandini.

  3. Went to State College at 6 Sunday. Asche, I say he can put some work in and play there full time and we’ll see. Like I said before, Morandini in a radio interview said he’s going to work in 2 College signees at 3B and 2B, maybe that’s what he meant. Hitting- didn’t notice the all strikeouts thing, but the no way to go but up comment, I guess that’s true. Kind of smallish looking. Martinez – obvious talents , but didn’t show much in first pro game. Hope these guys need to develop a ryth
    m in hitting and come around eventually..
    OF- Hudson and Altherr, still talents and should be on track to move up at end of season, or when their experience and an opportunity presents itself. Witer Jimenez in RF, fast man, covers alot of ground in OF, might be up there with Hudson, maybe Hudson is more efficient and better trained in running. All of the balls to Right Center Field, Jimenez was there, looked from angle like just to right of 2B. Throws all right, should sop up some playing time
    Lino Martinez- list as 6′ 160. Can get to 90 mph, but usually around 88, 86 to 90 for that, also has curve looking thing which he throws at 71-72 Looks like he can keep ball down.
    Hector Neris- list at 6’2 190, but you’d think is bigger, good build. Lots of 90’s seems that’s his usual fastball. Also throws what looked like a breaking ball around 86, would guess a curve- looks like a power guy.
    Ryan Duke- signee got up to 89 once on first pitch, most a little under.. List as 6′ 180, so not that big but looks like some whip in arm. Maybe he improve as minor league middle reliever.

  4. 15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.500) – 1 for 4 with a SB (2)
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (3-0, 2.01, 2 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 2 K’s (save)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.295) – 0 for 3 with a BB and 3 K’s
    25. RHP – Austin Hyatt (Reading) – (6-43, 4.42) – 5 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB and 7 K’s


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.167) 1 for 4 with a HR (1), RBI (1) and 2 K’s
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.252) – 0 for 4 with a K
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – 0 for 4 with 4 K’s
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.268) –3 for 5 with a 2B (11), RBI (25), run and 2 K’s
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.283) – 2 for 4 with an RBI (44) and a K
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (321) – 2 for 4 with a run and SB (4)
    OF – Joe Savery (Redding) –(.000) – 0 for 2 with a K
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (Williamsport) – (.308) – 1 for 4 with a SB (2)
    LHP – Mike Zagurski (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 2.42, 10 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    RHP – Justin Friend (Redding) – (0-0, 4.50, 0 SV) – 2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB and a K

  5. I see LHV getting much younger next year assuming we sign most of what we drafted this year. I see Singleton repeating Clearwater next year which would be a shame considering the track he was on. Of course there is still time for him to turn things around but his regression is not a good sign.

    Other than our CLW pitchers not a whole bunch to be excited about with the exception of Valle and maybe Biddle. To make matters worse DBROWN still has not shown any signs that he can consistently hit big league pitching. He shows you flashes but that is about it. That tells me RAJ is going to feel pressure to make a move. A move I fear won’t help us much short or long term.

    I don’t worry we won’t come out of the NL to get to the WS but I do worry the offensive prowess of the AL would easily overtake us in any WS. It doesn’t matter how good our starting pitching is the other teams will have some pretty good starters to throw at you as well.

  6. I was interesting in a statement made if i am correct it was how many outfielders made 5 million or less,when we were disgusting salary for next year, and found quite a few. calos guintin, marlon byrd, good players , byrd might be a guy we could target over 300 right hand bat who might be availabe.

      1. Believe it or not Cuddyer is making $10.5 on the last year of his deal. I think its been said any player over $7 would require us to get money back in the trade. That means the team we are dealing with will want some serious prospects in return.

        Quentin’s money is doable but he is a hell of a player and would also require a serious package and then he is eligible for ARB after this season.

        1. Money back in the trade doesnt help us on the luxury tax issue. The team apparently wants to avoid it at all costs so the money wont matter as its not added to the calculation that takes place at the end of the season. See Oswalt’s trade for reference on that. His full salary is counted, not just the part of it we’re paying.

  7. One reason why I think the Phils are run by a very good group right now: David Herndon. I think he has a 12 innings scoreless streak going since his demotion to triple A. The rule 5 draft has a very low success rate and the Phils had one of the last picks in it. Yet they found a young, cheap, stud bullpen arm. I wonder how many teams ahead of them in the 2010 rule 5 draft have nothing to show for it?

    1. Stud is a bit too aggressive. I agree he’s doing quite well in his past few outings. But he does have bouts of ineffectiveness.

      I don’t disagree with your general point though. David Herndon was not a bad pick; and appears to be improving. Give the scouting staff some credit.

    2. So, its smart to judge him on his 7 innings since coming back up from the demotion rather than the other 68 innings he has under his belt in the majors?


      1. PS: Opposing hitters are posting a brisk .321 AVG against him since his return so I dont think he’ll keep running up zeros on the scoreboard in the long-term.

        1. You want to cite opposing BA of all things, over a tiny sample size? How about 6 K, one IBB, no HR over 7 IP? Yes, it’s a tiny sample size, but if we are going to go there at all I’m going to look at K/BB/HR data before I look at BA. Especially for a GB pitcher like Herndon.

          1. Um yeah, the fact that guys are still hitting over .300 against him is an indication that it might just be a fluke.

            1. Wait, what? The fact that they are hitting over .300 against him is an indication that the Ks & the lack of BBs are flukes? I would say the opposite – the Ks combined with the fact that he is a ground rule pitcher are indicators that the BA is a fluke.

              BA against for pitchers means little even over a large sample size. Unless you have a guy who is allowing a ton of line drive contact – which Herndon isn’t. BA against over 7 IP means absolutely zero. BB and K data over 7 IP might not mean much, but it means something.

              I am, as I said, cautiously optimistic about Herndon. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he went back to his old low K rate & lost effectiveness. What would shock me would be if he maintains a higher K rate and isn’t effective because of a high BA against. Shock me in the same sense as the sun rising in the west would shock me.

      2. Certainly as always caution is needed with small sample sizes. However Herndon is a guy whose results did not match his stuff, so I think some cautious optimism is justified. But of course “stud” is way too strong.

        1. Hmm, 2 more K tonight and I just noticed his K rate at AAA was way over his prior rate in either the majors and minors. Still a small sample, but if his K rate can be maintained at a decent level, we might just have something.

          Anyone have any insight on what if anything he is doing differently?

          1. Only thing I’ve seen in his big league appearances is that his command and control seems to be better. He seems to be working ahead more and keeping the ball out of the middle of the plate.

            He’s also appears to be throwing a slider more frequently.

  8. damar not looking to sign him long term only looking for right hand bat for rest of season, thats why byrd interest me no power but dont care he is a good outfielder with speed and hits 300, pro rate his contract would be around 2 million i believe. but there are a good amount of under 6 million outfielders who can help us, how much would the cubs want for him?? colvin and rizzotti deal maybe and francisco if they would take him

    1. No way do you give up Colvin for Byrd. I hope you’re kidding. Its not even known how he’ll play after he got his face broken.

    2. Honestly if you wanted Byrd you could get him for very little. I’d prefer Cuddyer or Quentin over Byrd for a little more slugging and also agree after gettting hit in the face you don’t know what type of player he will be going forward. But if NEPP is correct above then Cuddyer doesn’t work because he makes to much money (unless they are taking back one of our bad contracts)

      Finally if getting $ back in a deal doesn’t help avoid the luxury tax do you get to pro-rate the portion of a players salary toward the luxury tax? For example if you trade for a guy at the half point who makes $7 are you only responsible for $3.5 Mil

  9. I really enjoy reading this site and i’ve learned a lot about minor league baseball. So question, This is Galvis’s 1st time completely repeating a league– can his jump in offense be attributed to experience in that league or is it that the phils have been real aggressive in his promotion and this is the 1st time he’s completely age appropriate for his league.

    Follow-up– If your answer is the phils aggression– should the slow down with anyone particular…ie singleton

    1. I would lean more towards “first time he’s been age appropriate” more than anything. Also, he’s finally maturing physically. Adding 15-20 lbs of muscle to his build has really helped out his power numbers.

    2. He’s not age appropriate – he’s still one of the younger players in the league and way younger than league average. While I think there is an argument to be made for getting accustomed to facing a certain caliber of pitching (i.e. AA pitching is of higher caliber than A+ pitching), he is not facing the same *pitchers* as last year, so repeating a level can only help so much in terms of familiarity. I definitely attribute it to maturation, growth, and generally more experience.

      The Phils should promote guys when they think they are ready. Everyone and his brother thought Singleton was ready for the FSL this year. How he performs the rest of the way will determine what he does next year. At this point I think he will move up next year barring some sort of disaster in the second half.

      1. Honestly I’ve never really understood discounting a player’s performance for repeating a level. Often repeating a level ALSO means that a player is no longer age appropriate, which is a legitimate concern, but for a guy like Galvis who is still young for his level, I don’t think it’s a concern.

        But I guess I’m getting boring on the topic of Galvis. I can’t even claim I was one of the first to see it – we had this discussion 4 months ago and I was a skeptic. Who were the people who were touting him then? Those are the guys are going to be entitled to say “I told you so” if he really does make it as a regular.

        1. I have been on the Galvis train for a while. There were a few others. I had him as #15 on my own personal top 30 list before the season began.

          1. Well there you go.

            I think my batting average for predictions on this site is pretty good, but that’s partially because I make pretty conservative predictions. Gotta give credit to those who go out on a limb for certainly players.

          2. Though that said , there is a huge difference between someone who said “I realize Galvis needs to hit more, but he’s still young for his level and I think he can do that” (great call in retrospect) and a few people who said (more or less) “as a good fielding SS it doesn’t matter what he hits,” not such a good call. As I recall, Boston Phan was in the former camp.

        2. I have been defending him for 3 years now in the hope that one day his body would develop and his bat would follow. I think he is still a full season and a half from the majors, but if he continues hitting for the remainder of this year he could be in lehigh valley by next June. Freddy Galvis is the 6th youngest player in the Eastern League, Anthony Gose is the youngest. He will not be age appropriate for two more seasons but is on pace for 90 runs, 20 doubles, 5 triples, 15 hr’s and 50+ rbi’s and anything above .240 would be a new career high(.268 currently). He will never match Rollins offensively, or come close for that matter, but if Rollins wants more than he is currently making…$400,000 for Galvis at SS makes keeping Cole Hamels a lot easier and helps the pitching staff by keeping an excellent defender up the middle.

  10. Anybody else looking at the GCL roster and going “who are these guys”? Actually there were 5 of the starting lineup I recognized and the three relievers, but the other guys were not on my radar screen. Solarte is interesting in that he’s still 19 and did ok in the VSL last year as an 18-year-old. Warner is intriguing – he did not pitch well, but to have an 18-year-old be your opening day starter says something. Do any of our Aussie friends have info on Warner’s stuff? Villalobos, who played 2B but is listed as a SS, could be interesting as a 19-year-old playing up the middle. Though if we sign any of our 37 middle infield draftees relatively quickly, he and Gonzalez could find themselves short of playing time soon…

    1. Solarte is a sleeper. Signed a couple of years ago for $130K. Had an injury-filled debut season in the VSL and then was hurt all last year. Profiles as a slightly bigger Leandro Castro type. CF with some power.

      Warner was their yearly Aussie signing last year but got a little more publicity than most in recent years. Villalobos signed towards the end of last year and only got 13 AB at VSL (one was a HR however). He did hit .370 last winter in the Liga Paralela (VSL winter minor league), so the Phillies might have seen enough there for the promotion.

      I think Gonzalez was one of the 2 high profile Venezuelan SS we signed last year that then became 2 years older and had his signing bonus voided. Making GCL means he still had enough talent for the Phillies to keep him, though he probably needs to play well to stay ahead of this year’s draft class.

    2. BTW Jorge Serrano is a 17-year-old on the roster that came out of nowhere. Could be a more significant LA signing than usual because of his age. Also, Ramon Oviedo was in the DSL earlier this year and got an in-season promotion, which is somewhat rare for the Phillies and their Latin American prospects.

        1. Not sure on Vargas. He is on the DSL roster and I recall that he pitched once though very poorly. But now those stats don’t show up so it may not have been him. If healthy I would expect he ends up at GCL, though with 17-year-olds it sometimes depends on other issues such as language as to when they bring them over.

  11. Clearwater News
    Valle and D’Arby Myers were activated from the DL
    Jason Stephens is back (played for Reading in the beginning of last year)
    traded Marlins for LHP Andy Loomis

    1. Yeah, they were 2 pitches light and now they don’t have to raid the lower levels for middle relief. IIRC Stephens is a P. Have to look on those guys, and see who might go as OF, if they are over filled , there.

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