Box Score Recap – 7/27/2017

Box Score Recap

Lehigh Valley lost in ten innings.

Reading won, Drew Anderson pitched well.

Clearwater won on Jan Hernandez (14) walk off HR.

Lakewood lost.  Llovera pitched well.

Williamsport lost late, but Kyle Young threw 5 more shutout innings.

The GCL Phillies won in a walk off on Jake Holmes RBI single.

I haven’t been covering the DSL teams, but a short while ago, someone commented on Ramon Rosso, a 21-year old putting up good numbers there.  Well, he has been reassigned to the GCL.  I saw him today.  It’s easy to see why he had an advantage over the DSL kids. He’s built well.  Not a skinny rail like so many of the LA kids who make their first visit to the states.

And, I can’t help but report on this from DSL Red.  They lost 21-13.  They allowed a 19-run sixth inning.  Both teams had 11 hits.  The Phillies walked 21 batters, hit 3, threw 9 wild pitches, and committed 4 errors.  While I was doing the Recap, the scorers made a change on ER that lowered a pitcher’s ERA from 135.00 to 108.00.  Another poor pitcher has one of those infinity ERAs.

Lehigh Valley (64-41)  lost to Gwinnett, 3-2 in 10 innings.

Brandon Leibrandt pitched five innings giving up 2 runs on 5 hits and 4 walks.  He struck out six and picked 2 runners off first base.  Pinto, Ramos, and Beato combined to throw four shutout innings.  Pat Venditte (8-2, 3.29) took the loss.

The IronPigs had no shortage of base runners.  The collected 9 hits, 3 doubles, 5 walks, and 2 batters hit by pitched balls.  But they only scored 2 runs, going 2-12 with RISP and leaving 10 men on base.  They struck out 13 times.

They scored their 2 runs in the fourth inning on Andrew Pullin’s 2-run double.  Leibrandt had a hit in 2 at bats.

  • #4: Crawford (.229): went 1-3 with 2 BB, 2 K
  • #5: Alfaro (.240): went 1-4 with 2 K, HBP
  • #8: Williams (.280):  27 days and 89 PA into the end of prospect status
  • #12: Quinn (.274): 7-Day DL
  • #11: Cozens (.227): went 0-4 with a run scored, BB, 2 K
  • #3: Kingery (.280): went 1-5 with 2 K
  • #6: Hoskins (.285): went 1-2 with a run scored, 2 BB, HBP
  • #17: Pinto (4-3, 4.31): 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
  • #26: Lively (7-1, 2.27): (39 days/42.2 IP w/Phils)
  • Pullin (.229): went 3-5 with 2 doubles, 2 RBI
  • Eflin: (1-3, 4.60):
  • #29: Eshelman: (7-2, 2.14): 7-Day DL
  • Leibrandt: (4-0, 1.91): 5.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 6 K
  • Therrien: (0-0, 1.57): 2.0 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, WP

Reading (55-47)  beat Hartford, 3-1.

Drew Anderson pitched six innings of 2-hit ball allowing 1 run and 3 walks.  Ranfi Casimiro (3.62), Austin Davis, and Alexis Rivero (4.08) combined to throw three shutout innings.  Rivero notched his second save.

The Phils only collected five hits and didn’t get their first base runner until a lead off single in the sixth.  Who, of course, was wiped out on a double play.   They got their remaining 4 hits in the seventh, culminating with Jiandido Tromp’s 3-run HR (13) after two singles.

In the aftermath of the Walding/Numata collision Wednesday night, Numata was added to the DL Thursday with a concussion.  Deivi grullon was promoted from Clearwater and immediately inserted into the line up.  Greg Brodzinski was returned to the DL.

  • #20: El. Garcia: Restricted List,  80-Game suspension was over after game #87.
  • #23: Anderson (7-4, 3.76): 6.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
  • #27: Arano (0-0, 4.50):
  • #24: Tocci (.309): went 1-4 with a run scored, K
  • Martin: (.182): went 0-4 with 2 K
  • Walding: (.232): 7-day DL
  • Irvin: (4-1, 2.70):
  • Taveras: (0-1, 3.97):
  • Davis: (3-2, 3.25): 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K
  • DeNato: (5-1, 1.09):
  • Watson: (3-5, 4.64):

Clearwater (54-49)  beat Daytona, 4-2, on Jan Hernandez walk off, 2-run HR (14).

Seranthony Dominguez struggled.  Since returning from the DL, he has exhibited no loss in velocity.  However, he is having trouble locating his pitches.  Last Friday, it looked like he was only missing with his off speed stuff.  Tonight, he had trouble getting ahead of batter on the first pitch.  In the first two innings, 6 of the 7 first pitch balls he threw were on his fastball.  By the end of the third inning, Dominguez had had give up an ubearned run, had allowed 5 hits, and had thrown 70 pitches.  He was lifted after 5 pitches and 2 singles in the fourth.  His FB sat 95-97 MPH.  He threw 75 pitches, 49 strikes (65.3%) and five 3-ball counts.  He threw 8 of 18 (44.4%) first pitch strikes.

Tyler Gilbert (2.98) came in and stranded the 2 runners.  He went on to allow one run in four innings on 2 hits.  He walked none and struck out three.  Trevor Bettencourt (1-0, 1.50) got his first win with 2 shutout innings.

The Threshers managed just 4 hits, all from the bottom of the order.  Tortugas’ pitching faced the minimum through five innings.  The only Threshers’ base runner had come on a walk and was erased by a double play.  They began the sixth inning with 3 hits.  They took a 2-1 lead on Austin Bossart’s RBI double and Derek Campbell’s bases loaded walk.  But, with no outs, they were unable to extend the lead.  This came back to haunt them when Daytona tied the score in the top of the seventh.

This, however, set the stage for Hernandez’ heroics, 2-run blast (14).

  • # 9: Kilome (5-4, 2.74):
  • #14: Randolph (.255): went 0-4 with 2 K
  • #18: Romero (2-2, 2.95):
  • #28: Ed. Garcia (3-4, 3.82):
  • Arauz: (3-2. 2.38):
  • Singer: (5-2, 2.45):
  • 16: Suarez: (1-1, 2.35):
  • Dominguez: 3.0 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

Lakewood (54-49) lost to Hickory, 7-2.

Mauricio Llovera pitched well.  He held the Crawdads to 2 runs on 2 hits and 3 walks while striking out five in six innings.  After the BlueClaws came back to tie the game in the seventh, Tyler Hallead (1-1, 6.66) took the loss with 2 runs on a hit and a walk in 1.2 innings.  He left with the 2 runners on base, and Will Hibbs came in and allowed both to score.  Hibbs (1.70) also gave up 2 runs of his own.  Jake Kelzer (2.25) gave up a run in the ninth.

After falling behind 2-0, the BlueClaws with single runs in the third and seventh innings on Arquimedes Gamboa’s RBI single and Jesus Alastre’s RBI ground out.  Raul Rivas (.286) had 2 hits.

  • #1: Moniak (.261): went 0-4 with 2 K
  • #2: Sanchez (5-3, 2.64):
  • #10: Medina (4-6, 3.16):
  • #19: Brito (.235): went 0-5
  • Gamboa: (.230): went 1-4 with an RBI, K
  • Hall: (.268): went 1-4
  • Lartigue (.271): went 1-3 with a run scored, BB
  • Alastre: (.333) went 0-3 with a run scored, RBI, BB
  • Williams: (.224): DNP
  • (#9) Zoellner: 7-Day DL
  • Falter: (4-6, 3.35):
  • #30: Fanti: (7-2, 2.60):
  • Llovera (1-1, 2.05):
  • (#15) Al. Garcia: 7-Day DL
  • (#19) Russ: (0-1, 5.79):

Williamsport (19-15)  lost to Mahoning Valley, 2-1.

Kyle Young tossed 5 shutout innings.  He gave up 3 hits and a walk, and picked a runner off first.  He struck out 6 batters.  In five of his seven starts, Young has shut out the opposition on 3 hits or less over five innings.  David Parkinson struck out 3 in two innings.  Damon Jones took the loss allowing 2 runs in the bottom of the eighth.

Zach Plesac (Dan Plesac’s nephew) pitched 3.1 innings for the Scrappers.  He was lifted early after 3.1 innings and 62 pitches having allowed 1 hit and 3 walks.  He has a 0.74 ERA.

Plesac is particularly tough on lefties.  The only guy to get a hit off him was Josh Stephen, a left-handed batter.  However, the other 5 lefties in the Williamsport line up didn’t fare as well.   Even after Pleasac left, they only managed 3 more hits.  They scored their only run on Austin Listi’s lead off HR (3) in the top of the ninth.

  • #13: Gowdy:
  • #15: Stobbe: (.202): went 0-3 with 2 K
  • #21: Ortiz: (.277): entered as a PH and went 0-1 with a K
  • Pickett: (.320): went 0-3 with a BB, K
  • Stephen: (.262): went 1-3 with a BB, K
  • #7: (#1) Haseley: (.250): went 0-4 with a K
  • (#4) Scheiner: (.272): went 1-3 with a BB
  • (#6) Guthrie:
  • (#7) Maton: (.316): went 1-3 with a BB, K
  • (#13) Fitch: (.389): went 0-2
  • (#17) Listi: (.313): entered as a PH and went 1-2 with a run scored, HR (3), RBI, K
  • (#22) Mims: (.320): DNP
  • (#25) Azuaje: (.231): DNP
  • Young: (5-0, 1.35): 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
  • #22: (#2) Howard: (0-0, 3.52):
  • Stewart: (2-1, 3.60):
  • J. Garcia: (2-2, 4.00):
  • Carrasco: (2-0, 2.08):
  • Brown: (2-3, 3.48):
  • (#3) Seabold: (1-0, 0.00):
  • (#10) Brogdon: (1-0, 3.86):
  • (#12) Parkinson: (0-0, 4.50): 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
  • (#14) Warren: (0-0. 4.82):
  • (#16) Dohy: (1-0, 3.86):
  • (#18) Jones: (0-2, 5.63): 1.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

GCL Phillies (16-10)  beat the GCL Tigers West, 4-3 on Jake Holmes walk of single.

Before we got to the ninth inning, the pitching kept the Phillies in the game.  Jhordany Mezquita (0.71) struggled with his control but limited the Tigers to 2 runs (only one was earned), and pitched into the fourth inning.  His FB was 88-90 MPH.  He pitched behind a lot early.  His FB ran high and away to right-handed batters and his CB just hung.  As the game progressed, he got ahead in the count more and threw more off speed stuff as he started getting it into the zone.  The defense behind him was just plain awful, even when they were making plays. Four errors was probably a little generous, could have been more.

Victor Sobil entered and was dominant until the defense found a  way to give up another unearned run in the seventh.  Sati Santa Cruz pitched a perfect eighth inning.  Denny Martinez (2-0, 1.08) sandwiched a caught stealing by Kipp Moore with a pair of strike outs in the ninth inning, and got the win when the Phillies rallied in the bottom of the inning.

The Phillies tied the game on in the second inning on a balk.  Ben Pelletier and Danny Mayer had singled to put runners on base.  A fielding error on Mayer’s single allowed him to get to second as Pelletier went from first to third on the play.

The Phillies fell behind 3-1 as the game entered the bottom of the ninth.  Brayan Gonzalez led off with a walk.  Danny Mayer followed with a double that put the runners in scoring position and exited for a pinch-runner, the speedy Yahir Gurrola.  After a strike out, Kipp Moore (.290) lined a single to the shallow center fielder.  Gonzalez scored, but Gurrola was held at third.  The Tigers changed pitchers, and Simon Muzziotti put the ball in play. Gurola tied the game, Moore advanced to second, and Muzziotti reached on a fielder’s choice but no out recorded.  Jake Holmes ended the game with a solidly stroked line drive to center and Moore scored the game winner.

There were maybe 15 Phillies fans, mostly family members, cheering like crazy during the ninth inning.

  • Muzziotti: (.299): went 2-5 with a double, RBI, SB
  • Guzman: (.303): went 0-4
  • Pelletier: (.280): went 1-3 with a run scored, BB, 2 K, SB
  • Gonzalez: (.258): went 1-3 with a run scored, BB, K
  • Marchan: (.273): DNP
  • Bocio: (.286): went 0-4 with 2 K
  • (#11) Holmes: (.162): went 2-4 with an RBI, BB
  • (#24) Markham: (.115): DNP
  • (#26) Nieporte: (.345): went 0-4 with 2 K
  • (#27) Gurrola: (.304): entered as a PR and scored a run
  • (#31) Mayer: (.235): went 2-4 with a double
  • (#39) Stewart: (.143): DNP
  • Jimenez: (1-0, 3.63):
  • Rosario: (1-1, 3.43):
  • Silva: (3-0, 4.13):
  • Morales: (1-2, 4.58):
  • Sobil: (1-1, 4.24): 3.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
  • (#8) Mezquita: (0-0, 0.71): 3.2 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, K
  • (#5) Lindow: (0-1, 3.00):
  • Kuznetsov: (2-0, 0.00):
  • Carvajal: (2-1, 2.25):
  • Miller: (1-2, 7.71):
  • (#21) Hernandez: (0-0, 0.00):
  • (#29) Cummings:
  • (#32) Santa Cruz: (1-1, 6.23): 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
  • (#33) B. Brown: (0-0, 0.00):

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Something ELSE New

I have added another new Google sheet.  It includes the signing dates and Rule 5 eligibility for every player in the organization (293), the ones I/we know of.  The Legend explains the eligibility – green background already eligible, pink background, not eiligible until 2019 and beyond, BOLD font/yellow background are eligible this December, and normal font/white background are eligible December 2018.  Right now the information is current as of July 24th.  It is grouped by current assignment.  It is based on the definition from Major League Rules, MLR 5(c), which is at the bottom of the file.  I placed the link at the end of the Transactions section, just below the organization’s injury link.  The link is also here.

I’m still tweaking it for the best way to present the information.  I got tired looking up the signing dates of present Phillies and just entered “Passed” in the “Eligible” column.

Transactions:

  • 7/27 – LHP Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils
  • 7/27 – Reading Fightin Phils placed C Greg Brodzinski on the 7-day disabled list. Right shin contusion
  • 7/27 -Reading Fightin Phils placed C Chace Numata on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to July 26, 2017. Concussion
  • 7/27 – C Deivi Grullon assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers
  • 7/27 – LHP Jeff Singer assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers
  • 7/27 – C Edgar Cabral assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws
  • 7/27 – LHP Aaron Brown assigned to Clearwater Threshers from GCL Phillies
  • 7/27 – LHP Bailey Falter assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 7/27 – Ramon Rosso assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies White
  • 7/26 –  Phillies traded RHP Pat Neshek to Colorado Rockies for RHP Alejandro Requena, RHP J.D. Hammer, and SS Jose Gomez
  • 7/26 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed RHP Edubray Ramos on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to July 24, 2017. Blister on right index finger
  • 7/26 – Phillies activated RF Aaron Altherr from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 7/26 – Phillies placed LF Daniel Nava on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to July 23, 2017. Left hamstring strain
  • 7/26 – Reading Fightin Phils activated C Greg Brodzinski from the 7-day disabled list
  • 7/26 –  Reading Fightin Phils placed 3B Mitch Walding on the 7-day disabled list. Ear fracture
  • 7/26 – RHP Alejandro Made assigned to DSL Phillies Red
  • 7/26 – RHP Leonel Aponte assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red
  • 7/25 – Reading Fightin Phils activated SS Jorge Flores from the temporarily inactive list
  • 7/25 – Juan Aparicio assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White
  • 7/25 – Phillies optioned Ricardo Pinto to Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 7/25 – Phillies recalled Jake Thompson from Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 7/25 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 7/25 – LHP Joey DeNato assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils
  • 7/25 – Clearwater Threshers placed CF Mark Laird on the 7-day disabled list; concussion
  • 7/25 – Clearwater Threshers activated RF Jose Pujols from the 7-day disabled list
  • 7/24 – Clearwater sent RF Jose Pujols on a rehab assignment to GCL Phillies
  • The organization’s rosters are up to date.
  • The organization’s injury list is as up to date as I can make it.
  • The organization’s Rule 5 eligibility list is as accurate as I can make it based on the information I was able to find.

61 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 7/27/2017”

    1. How can your one boy, be pitching so much better than your other boy, selected 635 draft spots apart? Makes no sense.

      1. Trollin’ is my job, bro! You’d think that Kyle Young was the 1st round pick. Groome’s numbers….ouch!

        2. Is it lucrative or is it just job satisfaction that keeps you at it? You really do quite well at it!

          1. Adds a little excitement. But my trollin usually comes in good fun and good contributions.

  2. Anyone care to to try and explain Joey Denato to me? He carries an ERA this season of 1.09 a WHIP of 1.485 a paltry K rate 6.5 and a gaudy 6 BB’s per niner

    Yet his hits per 9 are a stingy 7.4

    coming out of the pen what kind of stuff does this kid have?

  3. Looks like Gomez and Hammer have been assigned to Clearwater and Requena to Lakewood.

    1. I was wondering where Gomez would go. They already had Brito, Gamboa and Rivas in LKW so Gomez taking ABs from them just wouldn’t do.

  4. How does Bergjans continue in the Reading starting rotation with such and abysmal era and SO/BB ration, and what does the organization see in Paulino that I don’t?

    1. Hoskins was actually on 4 times, 2 BBs, HBP, and a hit. The HBP looked like it was on purpose.

      1. Gotta feel bad for Tommy Joseph, but I believe Hoskins is the better long term answer. Their defense is both just OK.

  6. So is Kyle Young going to get a crack at a top 30 prospect spot following the season if he keeps his stat line going this well? He was a 22nd round pick out of HS on Long Island, NY.

    1. don’t get too excited, his velo was only 85-87. just getting out young hitters so far, might have to be patient on this one.

      1. If that was the case last night, it’s an outlier. He’s consistently been 88-90 this year, touching 91-92 in his starts. There’s still a lot to be patient with, but there’s still a lot of projection left, too.

      2. Lhp with feel, he’s been up to 92. Velo isn’t the only way to get hitters out. Especially lhp. All the Groome chants

      3. What else do we got to do by be patient? He was a projection draft, shown an advanced ability to pitch is a great start

        1. amazing start. Look at Groome..Seems to be Biddle Jr. hate to see the kid do bad. wonder what the issues have been. Young will be an Ace.

    2. If Fanti cracked the MLB Top 30, Kyle Young could very well have a case to be considered. Both lefty’s currently have average stuff across the board but with above average command/control to generate the success that they currently have. Fanti will be ahead as of now having pitched more innings but Kyle Young has the physical projection that scouts dream of so he will be a fast riser as long as he show continued development.

    1. Probably his age honestly
      Walks too many people but apparently he used to be quite the pitcher

  8. Crawfords OPS and OBP are getting better and better.
    Hoskins improving after that slump

  12. Jan Hernandez is having a very nice power year at CLW, and with the move to RF there seems to be even more of a resurgent in the power numbers.
    ISO at.223 is the best in his career to date.
    Of course the Ks at over 30% is not remarkable.
    But like to see if he may get an opportunity to stay in RF from here on out.
    Next season at Reading he could also put up some power numbers again.

    1. I guess he could get promoted, but it would just mean the Phillies have no one decent to play RF in Reading . . . He’s hitting .227 with a .298 OBP, and with terrible strikeout numbers. To me he’s a non-prospect.

  13. Dominic Smith was on the list that Pablo linked us up to. Aren’t he and Crawford very good friends? I recall he was taken by the Mets not too far after Crawford in the same draft.

  14. Felicitations Jesen! It’s official, he’s getting his call up to replace Neshek.

    1. Great to hear Jesen Therien getting the call to the Phillies. IMO, he’s been their most under-the-radar prospect this year.

      1. Dodgers released Rosso last year, so the Phillies signed him…no mystery now
        June 2, 2017 Phila Phillies signed free agent RHP Ramon Rosso to a minor league contract.
        June 2, 2017 RHP Ramon Rosso assigned to DSL Phillies White.
        July 15, 2016 DSL Dodgers1 released RHP Ramon Rosso.
        June 3, 2016 RHP Ramon Rosso assigned to DSL Dodgers1.
        July 2, 2015 LA Dodgers signed free agent RHP Ramon Rosso to a minor league contract.

    2. As I’ve mentioned a few times, the Dodgers are the best talent evaluators in MLB.
      The fact that the Dodgers liked Rosso enough to sign him makes me optimistic.
      The fact that the Dodgers released Rosso after one year makes me skeptical.

      1. don’t worry Hinkie, Ramon Rosso is worth taking the risk. the $$ spent to acquire him is nothing compared to the $$ that the Phils spent for the veteran stiffs in the roster. so far, Rosso is paying well in a league that he is supposed to dominate.

        STL is another team that has success in evaluating talent. But STL released a one Edubray Ramos, which looks like a good find for the Phils for the small $$.

  16. This is awesome: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/daily-prospect-notes-727-and-728/

    “Rhys Hoskins, 1B, Philadelphia (Profile)
    Level: Triple-A Age: 24 Org Rank: 9 Top 100: NR
    Line: 2-for-4, 2B, HR

    Notes
    Hoskins now has 24 homers and numbers on par with what he posted in Reading last year. I’ve got scout contacts putting 60s and 70s on his raw power who rave about how consistently he’s able to put the ball in the air while still avoiding strikeouts and, after 100 games, Triple-A pitching has had time to adjust to him and simply has not. He’s a below average athlete and doesn’t fit anywhere but at first base but it looks like he’s going to hit enough to play there everyday and he’s starting to convince the industry that he’s an impact, middle-of-the-order bat.”

  17. And (a repost from yesterday) this is not so awesome (from Keith Law’s chat yesterday):

    Jay: Over the past few weeks Cornelius Randolph has brought his line up to .255/.350, with a little more power. (10 HR Now) I know he’s stuck in a corner OF spot, do you believe he might be throwing off the title of “failed prospect”?

    Keith Law: I dislike using the past tense on a player who hasn’t clearly ‘failed,’ either through release or many years of non-performance. You could call Randolph a failing prospect, or a disappointing prospect. I don’t think anything he’s done the last few weeks changes the outlook for him; the last two scouts I asked about him came back with similarly negative views, a position-less guy without the elite hit and/or power tools he’d need. (I do or at least did like his swing last year. Really surprised he hasn’t at least hit for some average.)

    1. ‘Failed prospect”? Some people need to get a grip. He just turned 20 and is probably one the youngest players in the league. Some patience is needed when dealing with young players.

  18. Lively taken out of the game after taking a line drive off of the back of the knee, he was pitching well at the time.

  19. Some more players might be coming to the system. No one great probably, but Hellickson was pulled from tonight’s start, which might mean he could have been traded. Don’t expect anything great for him, but…

  20. No word on Hellickson, but Howie Kendrick was traded to the Nationals for a LHP prospect (don’t know who he is, hopefully I can hear more about it later) and some international slot money!!!

      1. He has already been added to the Phillies top 30, taking spot #24 on MLB Pipeline.

  21. 118 ks. He has had a couple big games against Lakewood. 6’4″ lhp. Plus international signing $. I like.

    1. The Orioles rotation has been pretty bad so Hellboy must have been a big upgrade for them.

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