Baseball America’s 2013 International Review

Today Baseball America posted their review of the Phillies International spending during the 2013 calendar year (encompassing both the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 signing periods).  During that time, the Phillies signed 35 players, 4 of them for bonuses greater than $100,000.  The full article is here, but here are some highlights.

In April the Phillies signed 18 year old catcher Jose Gonzalez for $300,000.  Gonzalez had Tommy John surgery shortly after signing and did not play last summer.  The Phillies big signing was Luis Encarnacion for $1,000,000 in August.  Encarnacion was one of the best bats in the J2 crop and was widely expected to cost about $1,300,000 (Encarnacion does share a trainer with Gonzalez).  Encarnacion is in camp and should start in the GCL.

Additionally the Phillies signed Bryan Martelo out of Columbia for $230,000.  Martelo is a prototype RFer who has shown power potential and some recognition of breaking balls.  He is also in camp and expected to start in the GCL.  Lastly the Phillies signed Domincan OFer Edwin Rodriguez for $100,000.  Rodriguez lacks any standout tools expect for a good feel for contact.  He is expected to start in the DSL.

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31 thoughts on “Baseball America’s 2013 International Review

  1. Do they list the total amount spent? I’d love to put a nail in the coffin with those who have been criticizing the team for not spending all of their slotted amount and signing Encarnacion plus all the other top international talent like Rafael Devers and Eloy Jimenez.

    1. Ben Badler has said it is hard to know exact amounts, but that they are close to the limit (my personal guess is they have under 250k left and that it is likely lower than that

      1. BA had them at $2.46 million for the calendar year of 2013 (which of course is different from the signing period from July to June). Given $200K-$300K of low dollar signings I would guess you are in the ballpark with a $250K estimate of what is left. Maybe a little more if we take out 6 signings of up to $50K which do not count against the pool limit of $2.29 million. Either way it is hard to see us with enough left to sign a top tier talent without going into the penalty area.

        They really need to address the penalties as the Rangers, Cubs and Dodgers (and this year the Yankees) are making a mockery of the pool limits.

        1. what those teams cubs, rangers etc etc are doing is being smart , they found a loop hole and are now exploiting it. but I dont expect the phillies to try it until its too late , kinda like saber metrics and witchcraft were in the same boat with the phillies for years

          1. Yes it was smart and the Phillies never do things like that. I just expect new rules to make that illegal because it goes against the intent of the rules they set up.

        2. Any word on an international draft ever being established?
          Bud Selig wanted one, but he is going out.
          Even a 2/3 round draft would somewhat make things a little balanced and fair.

          1. They setup the current system to transition into a 4 round draft (hence the 4 player allocation slots the Phillies and all teams get). The pools are cumulative slot values for 4 theoretical picks.

            No word on whether they made progress with an actual draft though. Getting to a system with transparency and background checks is just not going to be easy.

          2. What is currently unfair about the system, the Phillies have plenty of money, it has been more important for them to be friendly with the commissioner’s office then doing what is best for the organization and spending at the same level as the Cubs, Yankees, and Dodgers have.

            1. This has been true for a very long time. Bill Giles got the nod to organize the current ownership group in large measure because he could be counted upon to support the commissioner in baseball’s salary/bonus wars. His Dad had been the head of the National League. That and some time with the Phillies in fairly minor administrative positions were his sole entrée into team ownership. He put extremely little money into the deal. You or I could invest as much. There are new owners who are very into winning and willing to do whatever it takes to win. There are other owners who seem most into the clubbiness of MLB ownership. The Phillies owners are in the latter group. Taking this approach also allows them to maximize their draw from team profits. That is not an unimportant thing to Giles, and perhaps Monty as well. A lot has been written about the passive owners who control most of the team. Except for Middleton, nobody has ever suggested that any of the others have a burning desire to win. Some have actually admitted to not being baseball fans at all. They see keeping ‘the wholesome family baseball experience’ in Philly as all that is needed to fulfill their civic duties as wealthy owners. I sometimes wonder what sales pitch Giles used to get these non-baseball fans to pony up big $$$ when he bought the team. Management by committee, as the Phillies have due to so many owners, is never going to be especially nimble or aggressive management. Management by disinterested committee… well we know all to well how that goes.

            2. I should have said that the total support for commish has been a part of Phillies management going back to when Ruly Carpenter sold to the Giles group. Actually having a decent amount of money which potentially could be spent to greatly increase the chances of winning on the field is relatively new. Really not until CBP opened.

            3. After the Korean pitchers of the late 90’s (approx) and before Aug 2011…Tocci …who were the other Phillies high $$$$ international spendings?

            4. My bad…Korean pitchers were signed in Mar 2001…..Phillies got burned in those two transactions.

    2. The Phillies, in the last 3/4 years have come on and really spent high, and even close to their allocation in the LA market.

      1. There hasn’t been an allocation for 4 years. Prior to the last agreement with the Players’ Association, teams were free to spend as much as they chose to spend internationally.

        1. you get my drift……maybe last two years for the ‘allocation’ …but pretty high spending the other year or two earlier…..

            1. the phillis have only gone after two high profile guys, Encarnacion and Tocci the rest have been peanuts or peanuts with salt on them , look at what the top guys get and you see the phillies names attached to non of them besides the two mentioned before , the philles prefer more of a carpet bomb technique to the laser guided smart bomb as they like to buy a bunch of 100k – 250 k guys , although that is what they paid for Franco , so sometimes it pans out but not to often

            2. Grullon and Pujols were ranked 15th and 16th respectively in their 2012 class by… you think they are peanuts?
              IMO. more like sea-salted almonds and walnuts packed with healthy nutrients.

    3. mark your serious??? they have been in bottom five in spending in the international market for at least the last ten years or more, and now that they have a limit they might spend it, what a joke, what top talent , you have to be kidding, top talent is ruiz and a up and down left hander name Bastardo, they are and will always be the cheapest team in the international market, unless they are sold, two titles in all these years, disgrace to the city and the game. and now they are locked into some bad contracts and instead of going out and getting talent, they sign b
      yrd and abbreau, instead of a Choo,. when they need offense, this team could possibley win less games then last year, and with there ignorant approach to draft picks, could really be in trouble with guys wanted to sign here,

      1. This is really getting old roccom same old whining from you….why don’t you find yourself a time that you like.

      2. Draft picks sign for money and opportunity. I really don’t think the Wexler situation hurts them much. It may actually prevent other prospects from trying to play them as Wexler and his agent appear to have done. With loss of the applicable slot $, not signing draftees in the middle of the top-10 rounds, from which the bonus allocation comes, is a fairly big deal. The Wexler and to a greater extent Mondin. Scouts shouldn’t give in to temper tantrums. The draft game in the first few rounds, where 80+% of the value is, is very different than it is for rounds 4-7. I doubt potential 1st or 2nd rounders care a whit about how Wexler was ‘mistreated’ or what games his camp and the Phillies played during and after the draft.

        1. Words dropped out. The sentence in question was supposed to read ‘The Phillies were definitely stupid and bush-league in their treatment of Wexler and to a greater extent Mondin.’

          1. I agree completely. While it wasn’t the smartest thing for the Phillies to do I doubt a HS kid will be turned off by something that happened to someone else. It may affect college juniors tho but again I can’t see it having that much bearing.

          2. Just do not know if it hurts them at all…..I look at the Jimmy Paxton situation in ’09 with the Blue Jays and the Kentucky Wildcat AD kicked him off the team for his senior year but he played Indy ball and now is in the MLB on the Mariner’s rotation….but he was a first round pick with first round talent. Wexler may not be as talented.
            But did the Blue Jays suffer?….. hard to say……..though they or JP Ricciardi never came out and said they spilled the beans on Paxton…I know Scott Boras did not nor his parents or Jimmy Paxton . incriminate himself.

    1. No way in the world a kid who just turned 16 after the normal signing date starts his career in Lakewood. No HS or Latin American signee has ever done that with the Phillies.

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