37 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 7 July 2011

  1. great day from the other names of the top of the system. Pointer and Collier, Franco coming up with another xbh. JC Ramirez with another strong start. Good day on the farm.

  2. Anyone know anything about Birmingham for GCL? Appears to be a big left handed pitcher, putting up impressive early numbers in the back of the bullpen.

    1. James burst my bubble when I mentioned Andre Kinder. I’m trying to remember his exact words but it went something like this. Kinder is the equivalent of a College center dunking on a 7 foot basket against a Junior High basketball team. Birmingham will be 23 in August and he’s actually older than Kinder. If either one or both were putting up the numbers in Williamsport, we might yawn and say, “Keep an eye on them.” In the GCL, I guess we would show total disinterest or at least say that they are doing what they should be doing against mostly younger, inexperienced guys.

    2. there was a csn philly article about him the other day. Drafted out of high school and then after junior year at coastal carolina. chose school both times. Went undrafted this year, got a free agent try out with the phillies in lakewood, impressed them enough to get a contract. Apparently he is from south Jersey, right across the bridge.

  3. I look at the Reading line-up from last night and it looks like a AAA score sheet. Ramirez with a nice outing 8 IP 2 Hits. I think that kid might be bi-polar his swings between good and bad games are so dramatic.

    I’m also pretty excited for Collier as he finally seems to be putting together a string of good offensive games.

    1. Looking at Collier’s splits, he has had a pretty solid season – his May and June numbers were almost identical, so there is definitely a lot of cause for optimism. I’d like to see him cut down the strikeouts a bit, and maybe get some more xbh, but otherwise he is absolutely back on the prospect radar

      – Jeff

  4. Not much to add here. Nice night for JC Ramirez, including 6 Ks. Hard luck loss I attribute to the fact that Reading was missing Freddy Galvis from the top of the lineup. Now there’s one truly improbable sentence.

    No word on the mysterious disappearance of Tyson Gillies yet? He used to be quite talkative on twitter, and he hasn’t updated in over a month. That sounds like real bad news. I know they said it was a foot thing… but as the case of Jose Reyes shows, once a speedy athlete injures his hamstring it never really seems to go away.

    1. Gillies seems to be trending toward a total loss. It is a shame because if he had continued to progress as hoped, he could feasibly been ready for a role on the Big Club next year. At this rate he is lucky if he is in AA ball next year.

      1. I dont see him ever contributing. He’ll have missed basically 2 full seasons of development and he’s injury prone.

    1. Quoting @TheGoodPhight, “Bryce Harper will be the best thing to happen to Harrisburg since Hurricane Agnes. #localjokes”

    2. Yeah, Harper was bumped up pretty recently – it won’t be long before we get a chance to boo him at CBP. He has all the makings of being a classic Villain (and just wait until the Yankees give him a $200m contract down the road)

      – Jeff

      1. Say they call Harper up when the rosters expand, how long would they need him to stay down next year to save a year of free agency? Mid July?

        I’d guess the Nats will lock him into a deal similar to Longoria the moment he gets called up for good. Buy out all of his arbitration years and some of his free agency years, locking him up until he is 30 or so. The Nats aren’t poor and should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees by team he gets to that stage.

        1. You need two sides to make a deal like that, and no young player with the upside of Harper is going to sign that kind of contract again. Especially not one represented by Scott Boras. My guess is the Nationals buy out exactly zero years of arbitration/free agency in Harper’s career . . . it’s simply not in his interest to sign that deal. He’s a potential 50 HR talent, and the market will pay that kind of player crazy amounts of money.

          1. Tell me where I said that he was going to sign a contract under value. Time value of money will give a big reason to sign a deal. $8M a year for his arbitration years, then some $25M options.

            1. Well, Longoria’s deal is definitely below market value, so I assumed that’s what you meant. Even still, I don’t know how you’d assess what fair value is for a player like Harper. His first FA year is going to be, what, 2018 or something? Who knows what the going rate for 80 power is going to be at that point?

            2. The Rays got a huge break giving Longoria that contract. It’s definitely one of the top 5 best value contracts out there. No way Scott Boras is going to do a deal like that. Boras is looking for big money, and if he doesn’t get it, he’ll taking a 1 year deal and go at it again. That’s what he did with Kyle Lohse and Adrian Beltre.

  5. So I was looking at RH bats that could potentially be available at the deadline, and one name popped up: Matt Diaz from Pittsburgh.

    I’m not trying to focus too much on the ML roster, but what type of prospects would you give up for him?

    His numbers vs LHP (3yr avg: .343/.384/.544) and his numbers at CBP (3yr avg: .325/.357/.700) look great, and he’s signed to a 2 year $2mil deal.

    I know Pittsburgh is only a game out in the Central, so I’m not sure if they woudl deal him, but what type of prospects do you think it would take?

    1. In a normal year? Maybe Schwimer or an A-ball lottery ticket. But as a Pittsburgh resident, I can tell you that people here who normally only talk Steelers/Penguins are actually mentioning the Pirates in conversation, and not just as a punchline. That’s a big deal for the future of the franchise, and I would hope the ownership sees this as an opportunity to rebuild the brand a bit ahead of the Taillon/Cole era.

      None of which is to say Diaz won’t be available (especially if the Pirates have a ten-game losing streak going into the deadline), but the cost may have escalated to the point where the Phillies would be better off with a cheaper option.

  6. Right nobody knows what his 2018 value is, but if they offer to buy out his pre-arbitration years at a $6M raise per year the current value of those dollars makes up for the potential money that he leaves on the table in 2018 by playing for $10M under value.

    Maybe $8M isn’t the right number, maybe $6M or $10M is the right amount, but there is real number that is mutually beneficial that will be enticing to walk away from free agency years. First year finance isn’t that difficult.

  7. 14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (7-8, 3.70) – 8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, BB and 6 K’s (loss)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.301) – 1 for 4 with a CS (1)
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.238) – 0 for 4 with a K
    21. RHP – Colby Shreve (Lakewood) – (3-4, 3.63) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB and a K
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.292) – 1 for 4 with a K
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.269) – 1 for 4 with a HR (1), RBI (15) and a K
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (Williamsport) –(.280) – 2 for 4 with a run


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.177) 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – (.234) 1 for 3 with a BB and a K
    3B – Maikel Franco (Williamsport) – (.286) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (5), 2 RBI (15)
    3B – Harold Martinez (Williamsport) – (.222) – 0 for 3 with a BB and a K
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (.335) – 0 for 3
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.282) – 2 for 4 with a run and 2 K’s
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.238) – 0 for 3 with a run, BB and K
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (Williamsport) – (.235) – 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    OF – Brian Pointer (GCL) – (.294) – 3 for 4 with a HR (1), 3 RBI (11), 3 runs and a BB
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL) – (.283) – 0 for 2
    LHP – Ervis Manzanillo (Lakewood) – (7-4, 4.44) – 5 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 3 BB and 2 K’s (win)
    LHP – Adam Morgan (Williamsport) – (0-1, 0.00) – 3 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 0 BB and 3 K’s (loss)

      1. He is going to get a heaping portion of breaking balls until he shows he can hit one or fight them off. If he can get over that hump, I am confident he can be a useful big league hitter because he is a power hitter at a time when power hitters are in great demand. But not everyone gets that far. We’ll see . . . .

  8. Mattair .320 post allstar please keep it up.

    What a big deal Mayberry lost a ball in the lights like everyother CF in that football statium. But sharks do smell blood in the water. Not a word about Baez.

    1. It’s time to give Mike Schwimer a try in the big leagues. Let’s do it now, before the more experienced pitchers are back and before the team needs to make a hurried decision about whether it needs another reliever. My sense is that he is immediately going to be one of the better pitchers in the bullpen. A guy who can reliably work in the 6th and 7th innings. When Madson and Contreras come back they can dump Baez or demote Carpenter and/or Herndon. I have a hard time believing that Schwimer isn’t as good as these guys.

  9. Lisaberto Bonilla shown in the Helium Section of BAs hot sheet this week



    Lisalberto Bonilla, rhp, Phillies. Bonilla, signed in 2008 out of the Dominican Republic, spent the first two months of the season in the low Class A Lakewood bullpen. He moved to the rotation in early June and looks comfortable in his new role. In his second start of the week, Bonilla, 21, pitched nine scoreless innings, walking none while striking out 12. He didn’t get a decision because the game went to extra innings tied 0-0, but his performance was plenty impressive, as is his 0-2, 1.49 overall line. Bonilla has learned to trust his fastball, a lively pitch that usually sits in the low 90s and can touch 95 mph. His changeup is a plus pitch, and he’s got a usable slider to go with it. Add it up and the Phillies have another intriguing arm in a system full of pitching prospects.

  10. I thought of diaz as a right hand bat to platoon with ibanez, he cant be worth more than a fringe minor leaguer or two maybe a rizzotti and a pitcher like cisco or some younger reliever, he isnt that good,but could help a little.especially against lefthand pitching

  11. From BA chat

    Jonny (Long Beach): What are your thoughts so far on Jonathan Singleton’s year? Seems like a very good season for someone his age, but everyone keeps talking about his struggles? He’ll be a 20-year-old in AA next year and that seems to put him on a pretty special track as a hitting prospect.

    J.J. Cooper: It’s not a great year, but it’s not awful either. Singleton’s bat has to carry him, so you’d like to see him with a slugging percentage above .400 whether he’s in the Florida State League or not. But the swing’s still there, the plate discipline is still there and he’s the second youngest player in the league. I still like him a lot, but that infatuation has cooled down a little from last year at this time.

  12. So what are the thoughts on Ethan Stewart? He is a 6-5 lefty who has pitched a few good games for GCL Phillies.

  13. Does anyone know—are birth certificate dates and their validity, for the Latin player signings, still a questionable item as they were in years past? Or have things tightened up?

    1. Well the Phillies reportedly signed a couple of 16-year-old Venezuelan SS’s last summer around this time, but both of them later turned out to be like 20 years old. So I think it’s still more hit-and-miss than it should be.

      1. Thanks J—-you would think MLB and teams would be more thorough in their reserach of foreign players. Further, the whole Latin scene needs to be more structured and equitable when it comes to player selection and their respective signings.

    2. Since 9/11 information on foreign born players is much tighter. Don’t know if you remember or not but there were actually a few major league players who “adjusted” their ages after visa requirements became much stricter.

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