85 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 5 July 2011

    1. A couple of infield hits. I think he pitched very well (for having only read the recap – I defer to anyone who actually saw him pitch).

    2. Yes, and many of those unearned runs are due to Colvin’s own errors. No stats on this, but it sure seems to happen a lot.

      1. It’s his first error of the season. Of course he could still miss balls up the middle and give up extra baserunners/runs anyway, but they wouldn’t be unearned.

          1. You’re thinking of last season, but even then, your memory is exaggerated. He did have 3 errors, a bit high, but they accounted for few of his unusually high number of unearned runs. This year, not only was that his first error, but he had only 2 unearned runs prior to yesterday.

    1. +1. And bring back the quips at the beginning of the recap threads. We demand levity in our prospect talk, dammit!

  1. Some nice bullpen work in AAA and AA. DeFratus starting to get it. He pitched 2 1/3 and 5ks for the win. Schwimer with 2ks and the save. We might have to consider Mike Cisco a prospect for the bullpen. He is having a good year at Reading. Zeid pitched 2 innings tonight to close up the win for Reading.

  2. Somewhat lost in an ugly night at the plate for Williamsport was a really solid outing for Colin Kleven. His one earned run shouldn’t have scored in actuality, as a bad throwing error by Murray to third allowed the Jammers catcher to go from second to home on a groundout.

    Kleven finished with six strong innings, but most impressively was able to keep the ball on the infield almost the entire time (10 groundouts, 2 flyouts). Definitely a big step forward after getting rocked last time out.

    At the plate it looked like a classic Cutters road game this season, in that they stranded nine and were just 1 for 5 with RISP.

    I’ll let Mitch fill in any more insight since he usually brings the real goods.

      1. No gun at the stadium in Williamsport; I don’t think Kleven was throwing real hard either. Probably around 90-92 tops, but was locating the fastball much better than his previous start. He’s a big guy and seems to be able to reach back and elevate the fastball to put batters away on the high cheese when needed. But I think with the right development he should be able to add a tick or two.

  3. If Vic needs to go on the DL, would it be worth giving Brandon Moss some pt with the big club?

    1. I doubt they’d put anyone on the 40-man just to play for 3 games. If any position player is called up it’ll be Orr. He’s already on the 40-man and they’d have another backup infielder around to make them feel better about using Martinez in the OF.

      After the All-Star Break Worley would just take the player’s place on the roster anyway.

  4. DeFratus looked good. Hitting 95-96 on the stadium gun. No fastball readings available on Schwimer. Overbeck looked awkward at the plate. Pete Orr was tremendous defensively at third.

  5. Between Rizzotti, Savery, Ruf, and Murphy, we’ve got quite a few fringy 1B types in our system, putting up pretty decent numbers at age-inappropriate levels. And –while the chances of any of these guys ever turning into major-league quality bats is pretty remote– I really don’t understand the logic behind not pushing them. Granted, they do provide a certain amount of lineup stability, taking some of the pressure off our more legitimate prospects, but is that provision really worth completely disregarding them as assets?

    The guy I’m most interested in at the moment is Ruf. He’s quietly put up solid numbers at every stop, and while the power hasn’t really been there, he’s had a ton of doubles, which could feasibly translate into HRs in more hitter-friendly environs. Any chance we see him in AA in the near future, bumping Rizzotti up to AAA, and (presumably) Murphy to Hi-A?

    1. Ruf is interesting. He hits pretty well but as you pointed out he doesn’t show the power. Rizz is 6 months older so the age difference, at the levels they are playing, does make a difference. He’s probably a better 1st baseman than Rizz but a cardboard cutout might be better than Rizz. Neither Ruf nor Rizz has made a single error at DH this year. How about that?

    2. I think they are not pushing them because, with the possible exception of Rizzotti (and Savery as a weird pitching/pinch hitting hybrid player), they don’t care too much about these guys.

    3. In an interview for Asbury Park Press shortly back, the writer quoted a scout on Murphy (James) that he should have been placed at a higher level to Chuck LaMar. LaMar replied something like, “tell that scout to tell me something I don’t Know” He went on to state he had top prospect Singleton at HI-A (which was not true earlier in the season as Singleton was in OF) and they couldn’t place Murphy higher than him, and I believe he alluded to wanting to keep Murphy because he has real HR power and all. Ruf is also at Clearwater. Seems like they have OF/1B/DH types every year, that could be moved up statistics (offense) wise, and every year they add a couple of minor league veterans at AAA, so those other guys can grow to be minor league veterans.
      Chuck LaMar (in the weekly minor league interview on http://www.philly.com ) stated that the current plan for Joe Savery is that he be DH for 5 days a week and pitch in relief 2 days a week.
      Or, to put it another way, ask Chuck.

      1. Murphy has a lot of HR for Lakewood and a nice OPS, but you have to really heavily discount for a 25-year old playing in A ball. That close to throws the stats out the window. Ks a lot. Ruf a little more interesting, as ge 24 in A+ not quite as bad, but lack of HR an issue and not an OPS that absolutely grabs you.

      2. What it seems like to me is that they basically wanted to discipline Rizzotti for showing up to camp out of shape (fair enough), but that because of that desire they started both Ruf and Murphy out at what they knew to be inappropriate levels. Based on age and track record, Murphy really should have been repeating Hi-A, and while an argument could be made for starting Ruf at Hi-A as well (he performed solidly for 2/3 of the year there last year), he probably should have opened the year in Reading. Rizzotti obviously should have been in Allentown.

        Every year the Phillies seem to draft at least one or two older 1B/OF/DH power bats out of college and proceed to treat them with kid gloves. The reality is that most (if not all) of these guys will never be anything more than org filler, but the developmental mistake is that you basically turn that into a self-fulfilling prophecy by repeatedly not challenging them.

        Ruf’s road OPS this year is .958, btw.

  6. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.237) 2 for 4 with an RBI (14), 2 runs and a BB
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (1-3, 4.16) – 6 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 0 ER BB and 5 K’s
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.281) –1 for 3 with a BB and K
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.322) – 1 for 4 with a K
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 4.63) – 2.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 5 K’s (win)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.257) – 1 for 4
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.259) 1 for 4 with an RBI (21) and 2 K’s
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.323) – 1 for 2
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.258) – 0 for 4 with a run, BB and a K
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (5-0, 1.85, 6 SV) – 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 2 K’s (save)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.295) – 2 for 5 with a HR (16), RBI (53)
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (Williamsport) –(.258) – 1 for 3 with a K
    29. RHP – Josh Zeid (Reading) – (2-3, 6.15, 1 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 2 K’s


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.179) 0 for 3 with a BB
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – (.228) 1 for 3 with a BB
    3B – Maikel Franco (Williamsport) – (.290) – 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.264) –1 for 5 with a 2b (14) and a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.288) – 2 for 3 with a 2B (15), run, BB and a K
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (.341) – 1 for 4 with a run
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.274) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (15 and SB (24)
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.244) – 1 for 4 with a 3B (5), run and 2 K’s
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (Williamsport) – (.250) – 0 for 4 with a K
    OF – Brian Pointer (GCL) – (.255) – 1 for 4 with a K
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL) – (.298) – 1 for 6 with a 2B (2), run and a K
    RHP – Garett Claypool (Lakewood) – (2-3, 3.01) – 7 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB and 7 K’s

    1. Ketch: I always appreciate your effort here, but especially now since I am too lazy to click on the links! Thanks!

      1. Sorry I am not one of the Anonymous(-es?) that posts here (although I rarely post here so Anonymous in that sense)

  7. Rich Thompson, as usual, leads the Phils farm in steals but Collier is doing his best to take that spot.

    Colvin had a better outing but his control isn’t there. He only walked one guy but he hit another and 2 WPs. He’s not quite the Brody Colvin we’ve known. He’ll hit his stride soon enough.

    Savery hit a grand slam last night. Nice! It’s so much fun to go to the Reading boxscore and find Mitchell’s numbers. He’s hit in 9 of 10 games. He’s batting .500 over his last 4 games. his split against lefties is ugly (.241; 0 HRs) but he doesn’t get to hit against them very often.

    Galvis is 2nd in the organization in runs scored with 50. Only Shane Vistorino has more. He’s also 3rd in triples behind Vic and Jiwan James.

    I would like to see Cesar Hernadez moved to the 2nd spot in the batting order. I know he’s young. I know they don’t want to pressure him. But I’d like to see if he and James can jump start CLW. No one else is filling the #2 hole very well. Cesar fills that hole very well. If those guys get on base, Singleton will see a lot more fastballs to hit.

    Mattair looks like he’s shaken the rust off after his injury. He’s only in A ball but he was getting the job done in A+ before his injury. He’s still not in my top 35 but you have to like the glove and he’s getting some hits.

    1. I’ve also had a lot of fun following Mitchell. Who knows how long it lasts for him, but let’s enjoy it while we can. For me this is part of the fun of following the minors – some off-the-radar guy can start to put things together.

  8. Claypool is putting up some really nice numbers. In 86 IP he’s only given up 63 hits and has K’d 100. I’d like to see him get moved up but may be blocked by the young guns at Clearwater.

    1. I was checking out his numbers too – even though he should be at Clearwater or Reading, he’s doing what he’s supposed to be doing and putting up some impressive numbers. I’m sure we’ll see some promotions/moves in the next few weeks as the trading deadline approaches

      – Jeff

  9. Aumont is the 6th youngest player in the International League.

    Singleton is the second youngest player in the FSL.

    Santana is the 6th youngest player in the SAL. (Numata is 5th, but I think he’s just on the roster, he’s not actually going to play there)

    Martinez and Franco are 6th and 8th youngest in the NYPL, respectively.

    Vargas is the 3rd youngest in the DSL.

    Serrano is 8th youngest in the GCL.

    Garcia and Rodriguez are 4th and 8th youngest in the VSL.

    And apparently there’s a 14-year-old playing in the Mexican League!


    1. That’s Alejandro Garcia. Lino Martinez. Numata and Santana just a few days apart. Franklyn Vargas, not pitched yet last time I looked. Mexican Leaguer with ’96 birthday.

    1. Harold told me when he first got here that using wood bats was an upgrade from the college bats this year. He said there was absolutely no jump off the bat with the college bats. He’s showing solid ability to drive the ball in BP, hoping to see it transfer to game time soon.

  10. Is it just me or should Kelly Dugan be showing more promise at this point? Drafted 2009 Second round and they have him repeating the NYPL….

    Has anyone seen him play in person is he actually 6’3″?

    1. Been to a couple of games when he was around, never actually seen him play, yet. Looks plenty big though. Broad at the shoulders and narrow at the hips look. Looks a lttle Taller than the players they list at 6’1, 6’2 ,

      1. Dugan looks like a guy that can drive a ball far. Unfortanetly when he has made contact 15 of his 17 hits have been singles.

      1. Thanks guys! That is too bad. I guess he is 21 now so he is still has a chance but looking at the numbers for each level he’s been at it doesn’t seem promising.

        Anyone else see Juan Rivera was just designated for assignment by the Jays???? I mention it because I don’t want to see us give up any prospects for Willingham. I keep hearing his name mentioned as a potential target for us and quite honestly he sux and can’t play defense.

      2. Perhaps his final calling will be in Hollywood under his father’s tutelage in the entertainment business.

    2. Dugan also might need to give up switch hitting, he’s 1/12 right handed. However, I’m not ready to give up on him. He’s only 20 and did have that crazy 9 game 1.498 OPS streak last year in the GCL. Derrick Mitchell was still in the NYPL his third year and didn’t hit much that year: .231/.312/.701. To no fault of his own Dugan was overdrafted. Let’s wait until the end of the season to bust him up.

    3. I’m not ready to give up on Dugan yet, still plenty of upside. His defense is markedly better than it was a year ago. And he’s showing an ability to hit the ball the other way. I truly believe the power will eventually come, but it’s not there yet. His contact rate is better this year than I remember from last year, and he’s hitting ther ball more solidly. I’m 6-1 and he stands a couple inches taller than me. I’d be willing to say he’s pushing 6-4. He needs to get on Patrick Murray’s weight-lifting program because there’s a lot of room for Dugan to fill out.

      The reality is he should have started in Lakewood this year, he knows it, I think the organization knows it, but at that point in time, who of the combination of Hewitt, Collier, Altherr, Santana or Alvarez should he have been selected over? It’s a numbers game. Morandini seems to think he’s got a good chance to hit for some power, he just needs to get bigger and it’ll come.

  11. Dugan never seemed like a 2nd round type of player when they drafted him. IMO he is one of the least impressive early picks in years. I don’t mean to be overly harsh, because he seems like a good person from all accounts, but I just don’t know what he excels at. He isn’t a speed merchant, has never demonstrated great power, and his arm was rated as average (even if better than average we know it wasn’t rated as special). Without excelling in at least one of those 3 things I am not sure why you would draft an OF that early.

    Contrast that to Larry Greene or Roman Quinn. They both might end up failing someday, but at least you know you are getting special power from Greene and special speed from Quinn. So there was at least a justification for their selections that early. Dugan? I have no idea unless it was just the fact they knew he would sign cheap.

    1. Dugan was a major reach. The baseball draft is so different from the NFL/NBA/NHL draft, so I try not to get caught up on “reaches”, but he’s one that really stands out.

    2. Agree Dugan was a reach. If he was not selected in the Top5 rounds he would not have signed for that slot money. Redundant question, if he is not any good than why would anyone sign him for more than he was worth?

      I figure Dugan was thought to be a good plate discipline switch hitter with projection for power. He was also considered athletic and initially started in CF (with probable move to RF). Personally, I tend to like this type of “safer” pick in the Top5 rounds more than the Hudson/Hewitt “tools” choices. I was hoping he could advance quicker due to his supposed advanced approach and get to A+ by now but his injury set him back a bit. Also was hoping he would get moved to 3B. I type that never having seen him play, so I basically know nothing (as if that was not obvious).

    1. The scouting report on Lisalberto is, Give ’em the ball and go take a nap. This guy can start, relieve, close and he has Bastardo type numbers. Today, 9 IP, 5 hits, 12 Ks, 0 BBs, 12/2 GO/FL. You don’t often see a better pitching line than that. Go get the win. Can someone please hit the ball?

  12. 12 K’s in 8 innings of shutout ball for Bonilla today. Too bad the offense has been shutout as well. Who does that sound like?

  13. Hot damn if Bonilla didn’t go nine strong today with no runs, five hits, zero walks and 12 K’s.

    1. A pitching line you might ask for in a State Farm Commerical and can I please get a hot tub!

    1. essentially says aumont is back to missing plenty of bats with a mid-90s sinker and nasty with both his sinker and heater primarily produced by his arm angle … inferring maybe the Phils tweaked his arm slot/angle? States he’s in the discussion as a big league closer of the future. Interesting!

      1. When you think about it, there is also a certain logic to re-signing Hamels, Rollins, and saving the money from Madson to add another big bat. Then between Bastardo, Stutes, Mathieson, Aumont, Schwimmer, De Fratus, Cisco, Hyatt, etc…letting the farm system fill out the bullpen.

        Not saying it would be the right move, and I am in no rush to see Madson go anywhere, but I am curious to see how the Phillies approach his negotiations.

  14. Wow. 9 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 0 R/ER, 12 K (9 swinging), and to cap it off, 12 GO/2 AO. Ridiculous.

  15. I think that we have discovered another “baby ace”. Add Bonilla’s name to the crew. What a great performance! Lights out in relief, he also does it starting.
    Also pencil in Yacksel Rios alongside Joe Savery. Listed as a pitcher, he doubled in the 7 run fourth inning and is playing at shortstop. Nothing like a multi-position player.

    1. That’s hilarious – yet another SS from the 2011 draft.

      He also has two throwing errors so far. Perhaps that’s why he’s not pitching (rim shot)

  16. I am thrilled for and by him. However, is somebody watching his pitch count? He only recently went to the rotation from the bullpen. The last thing we need is some dumb ass minor league manager ruining his career before it even starts.

  17. Gotta agree that the choice of Dugan defies baseball logic. What they saw in this guy is a mystery.

    He has underperformed at every opportunity he’s been given. Right now he is our poster child for a wasted early choice. Their first choice of that draft SHOULD show some pro skills. He has shown none.

    That choice represents their most terrible choice since they drafted that reliever (?) first several years back who quickly lost his fast ball and slider and control. He disappeared soon after he began play when all those failures inundated him, despite Baseball America’s having chosen him as the Phils #1 prospect then!

    Is there ANY reason to hope that Dugan can become a decent minor lg player let alone a MLB prospect? We’d like to think so, but where what is it? Whoever evaluated his skills to advocate him as their #1 draftee should have his evaluation skills questioned…as well as the others in the FO who joined in the error.

    1. For this FO, signability trumps talent. It isn’t that talent isn’t important to them, but they start with signability and try to get the most talented guy they can…but only for the price they are willing to pay. They also love Blue Light injury or underperformance specials to try and get guys at a discount whenever possible. Sometimes it works for them (Jon Singleton, Kyle Drabek) and sometimes it doesn’t (Joe Savery).

      But I am not sure what they were thinking with Dugan at #75 overall. He seemed like a pure signability pick then and still seems like that now.

  18. I wonder who among the position players in our system is the most likely to make it to the major leagues next. Is Overbeck a highly regarded prospect? I don’t think he is. Is it Gillies? His health is obviously a major concern. Could it be Galvis? His offensive ability has finally attained a solid level, but it seems his defense has suddenly become a concern. How close is Rivero? His average has dropped lately, but he has shown power and Parent raved about his defense. And I don’t mean all the journeymen veterans at triple A.

    1. As a regular or as a backup? As a backup … one of the older guys, maybe. Mitchell? Gosewisch? Could be Susdorf, but I think his defense is going to keep him from making it. (Whether it should is a different question.)

      As a regular, it depends upon whether Galvis keeps improving. Of the guys who have a legitimate chance to be major league regulars, he is the most advanced. If not Galvis, then likely Singleton.

      Though Rivero is an interesting name. I confess that I have a tough time figuring out if he is for real. If he really can stick at 3rd (especially if he can play plus defense) then maybe it could be him.

    2. That’s a good question.

      Overbeck is not highly regarded because of his lack of contact skills and his below-average defense. However, he is a bit of a wild card because he has light-tower power and the Phillies, as an organization, appear to have made a decision that power hitting is becoming increasingly important both to the Phillies in particular and in baseball as a whole. It’s not rocket science, scoring is down, so when you can score 2 or 3 runs with a swing of the bat, that takes on increased importance. Overbeck’s as likely a candidate as anyone else (I assume you are not referring to Mayberry) to get on the major league roster in SOME capacity, but not as a starter. Other candidates to make the roster include Mitchell (Mitchell will be a big league player – I expect him to hang around forever, like Jason Michaels) and, believe it or not, Brandon Moss, who is increasingly beginning to look like an intriguing option off the bench.

      As for the next position player prospect who will start, I think that title goes to either Freddy Galvis or Jonathan Singleton. If he had been healthy, I would have said Tyson Gillies, but we are well into year two of the Gillies administration and he’s got a month worth of at bats so, who the hell knows. I feel terrible for the kid but, frankly, if and when he gets healthy, he could take off as he’s still quite talented.

      1. I forgot about Gosewich – 50/50 chance that he’s the back up next year. He’s a dark horse to surprise all of us and end up a a starter down the line if he’s as good at calling a game as we are lead to believe (yes, I am serious). Susdorf might also stick as an extra outfield bat.

      2. Moss is intriguing—Sox had high hopes for him in 2007-Pawtucket MVP and All-Star–then it fell apart for him, for some reason, after the trade to the Pirates.

  19. I KNOW they have to pay hamels, rollins to me is on the fence, and the bullpen is too, think if madson ask for too much they let him walk, and have a really young inexpensive bullpen.in swimmer, de fratus, stutes,bastardo, think there money will go towards better outfielders,.if one is available.

    1. Scott Boras represents Madson. Do you think he will ask for much? Understand, Scott Boras is a big proponent of the ‘home-town discount’—-not.

  20. Need 2 relievers right now. Herndon and Carpenter do not cut it.

    Bring on the Schwimmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!!!

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