47 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 2 July 2011

  1. Not related but Lou Marson has thrown out 15 of 29 baserunners so far this year for Cleveland.

    1. Cleveland is on the record as saying they absolutely LOVE his defense despite his light bat.

  2. Good to see Percy Garner make an appearance in a box score. Now, does anyone know why he isn’t starting?

    1. Hasn’t thrown much lately because of the oblique troubles. Morandini said Friday night he’s going to be used out of the pen until they can stretch him out. Of course, then he had a setback tonight with more pain in the oblique, leaving after throwing 1 2/3 good innings. I’ll have more details on the injury when they come home Monday.

      1. Thanks, Mitch.

        You’re quickly becoming an informational asset on this site.

        1. Garner was looking really sharp last night before he had to be taken out of the game. He came out throwing serious darts – Diaz’s mitt was popping almost every time. I would guess he was around 93mph with the fastball, and he showed a good breaking pitch as well.

          One of the more amazing factors in last night’s game was that the Cutters got just 2 hits but drew 10 walks. They stranded every guy that earned a free pass.

  3. J.C. Ramirez with 9 K’s…. I wonder if they ditched the “pitch to contact” experiment

  4. Funny how when JC Ramirez was getting great results he couldn’t strike anyone out and now he’s not getting great results but getting more k’s

  5. The J.C. Ramirez backup plan is in the bullpen, but without durability, stamina, velocity and walks being a major concern, can we really expect a significant uptick in shorter stints? Would Charlie Manuel trust a young right-hander who doesn’t miss bats and allows over a hit an inning with a lead in the 8th inning? Would he ever be more than a long-reliever?

    JC Ramirez has a prototypical starter’s frame, he’s age-appropriate, has improved his walk rate and throws a lot of innings, but is he still a top 20 prospect? In my humble, apparently oft-despised opinion, I’m not even certain he’d crack my top 30. Despite an “electric” mid 90s FB and sharp slider, but he’s never maintained better than average performance for longer than a month.

    With a lack of starting pitching depth and a lot of talented right-handed relievers in the upper levels, I’d leave him in the rotation, but without a strong 2nd half, Cosart, May, Pettibone and Rodriguez could soon pass him on the depth chart.

  6. Watch iron pigs on tv last night. de fratus looks to me like a brad lidge type, slider is really all over the place but guys swing at it, good fast ball but its hard to really tell on tv just from the naked eye.swim has really good location nice stuff

  7. No matter what the big club’s situation, I believe the J.C. Ramirez pie needs another year to cook.
    I am trying to chart when the last time a batter from the left side got a hit against Schim. So far only a single on the twenty six.
    HELP Do they list Switch hitters as left handed in the hits against stat???

  8. Not sure why everybody is so down on J.C.’s performance; to me, it looks like he made two mistakes, and had two runners on for the second. If makes that one pitch, we’re talking about 6 innings, one run and how Ramirez is a “legit prospect” again.

    The “pitch to contact” bit in the minors is usually code for “quit trying to strike everybody out; we want you to pitch, not just throw hard.” So it could be that he’s learned from his struggles and is locating his pitches more carefully. That’s what development is about! I’m encouraged by his recent results (but definitely agree he shouldn’t be up in Philly this year.)

    1. Here’ what Parent said about Ramirez after the game in the Reading paper: “Even though he had the strikeouts, it wasn’t his best stuff velocity-wise and his sharpness wasn’t there,” Reading manager Mark Parent said. “His mechanics kind of fell apart at times. You have to take the good with the bad. When you’ve got to take the bad, if you get a win it’s OK.”

  9. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.217) 1 for 4 with a K
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.278) –0 for 5 with a K
    5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (5-4, 3.58) – 5 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 6 ER, BB and 6 K’s (loss)
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.328) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (13), run, RBI (26) and a K
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Lehigh Valley) – (1-0, 5.79) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 3 K’s (win)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.256) – 2 for 3 with 2 runs and a BB
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.264) 1 for 4 with a run and RBI (20)
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (7-7, 4.06) – 6 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB and 9 K’s (win)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.327) – 1 for 3 with a HR (2), RBI (10), BB and a K
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.227) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (10) and a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.262) – 1 for 2 with 3 BB and a K
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (5-0, 1.89, 5 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and a K (save)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.285) – 1 for 3 with a HR (15) and 3 RBI (51)
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.265) – 0 for 5 with a K
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (Williamsport) –(.228) – 0 for 4 with a BB and K
    29. RHP – Josh Zeid (Reading) – (2-3, 6.39, 1 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 4 K’s (save)
    30. RHP – Percival Garner (Williamsport) – (0-0, 0.00) – 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, BB and 3 K’s


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.188) 2 for 3 with a 2B (3)
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – (.228) 0 for 3 with a BB
    3B – Maikel Franco (Williamsport) – (.321) – 0 for 3 with a BB and 2 K’s
    3B – Harold Martinez (Williamsport) – (.233) – 0 for 3 with BB and 2 K’s
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.262) –0 for 3 with a BB, K and SB (12)
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL) – (.307) – 0 for 2 with a BB and K
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.276) – 0 for 3
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.282) – 2 for 3 with an RBI (52) and K
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (.329) – 3 for 4 with a HR (6), 2B (9), 2 runs, RBI (25) and a K
    OF – Joe Savery (Redding) –(.174) – 0 for 1
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.242) – 1 for 3 with a run, RBI (34), BB and 2 K’s
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (Williamsport) – (.254) – 0 for 3 with 2 BB and 2 K’s
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL) – (.317) – 1 for 4

  10. It is good to see Zeid back–in the 2 games in relief, 3 innings, 2 hits, no runs, 7 strikeouts. Maybe the bullpen is the place for him–he certainly was effective there last year at Lakewood.

  11. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110703_Phillies_prospect_Cosart_is_finally_healthy_and_displaying_promise.html?page=2&c=y

    Another article blowing up Maikel Franco. But here’s something to consider: if the Phillies showed confidence in him by *considering* placing him at Lakewood to start the season, what does that suggest about their confidence in Domingo Santana, who started at Lakewood last season? Franco and Santana are the same age. Something to think about.

    1. I think Santana’s raw tools were better when he came to Williamsport a year ago than what Franco’s are this year. But I think Franco is a much better player right now. Santana obviously has a higher potential ceiling, but his pitch recognition was awful a year ago minus spurts here and there. Franco’s pitch recognition is tremendous and has a knack for sitting back on the breaking ball and driving it back through the middle. The big thing I like about Franco is that he gets to the fastball and makes you pay for mistakes. Santana didn’t always get to the fastball because he was so concerned about flailing at a breaking ball. I think defensively it’s kind of a wash.

      So if I were making my list right now, I’d say Franco is the better player today (mind you, I have not seen Santana play this year), but Santana is the better prospect in the long run.

      1. LaMarr touts Franco’s infield defense and calls him one of the organization’s top hitters, he sure sounds like a top 10 prospect…but even age-appropriate numbers below Lakewood need to be taken with a grain of salt. Franco’s walk rate is better and they’re slugging about the same, but Santana has about 190 more PAs at the same age, at a higher level. If Franco played at a similar level in Lakewood, it would be no contest.

  12. I’m not quite sure whether to appreciate that they walk when they’re not hitting or just hope the position prospects hit the damn ball next time out.

  13. I think it is very premature to make any kind of definitive statements about JC Ramirez. Until one is tried in a relief role, its difficult to project what the change might be in his stuff and his mental approach. There is no reason to rush that decision at this point, let’s see how the year plays out before deciding what to do with him.

    1. it looks like schwimmer has earned his place with the big club. downd the road i think valle will be more than an average backstop. the rule of thumb is that wityh an ageing club you replace 1 player each year. this year brown. i,m telling you that coughlin will come back strong. play him at 3rd. move polanco to ss, if they cant sign rollins to a 2 year deal.

      1. Who is Coughlin?

        As for one player every year, the Phils from Opening Day 2010 to Opening Day 2011 will likely replace at least 5 players with farm system products – Worley, Brown, Stutes, Bastardo, and at least one other reliever (Schwimer, DeFratus, Aumont). Its possible for others beyond that 5 to make it – a backup catcher like Kratz or Gosewich, another from that relief group,

  14. Did Phillies sign anyone yet in the international signing period? Hard to believe the signing bonus’ being offered on the first day by some of the smaller market teams.

    1. They sign numerous players every year that are not heard about by the general public until they appear on rosters, usually in the complex or Rookie or Short Season leagues.
      Generally announced in the overall Media big money signings, few and far between.,for organization.

    1. Oblique strain. Same injury he had previously that kept him on the DL. Jslasher might have a better idea than I about how serious it is. But as long as it’s not the shoulder, I’m not overly concerned. Muscle strains heal, tears in the shoulder are really bad.

      1. Well, the article says Garner missed most of last season due to shoulder injuries. Said it was written by staff. Who is this staff and why are they saying it was a shoulder injury?

  15. Maybe the three new guys starting to figure it out:

    Good game from Overbeck with a double in a huge spot.
    DeFratus with two dominating innings.
    Aumont with a couple good innings the other day.

    Fun to watch…

    1. I was thinking the same thing, impressed that Overbeck had a multi-hit game. Moreover I was impressed by DeFratus going not one, but two scoreless innings in a tight ball game. Hopefully that sets J.D. back on the right track.

      1. i should have pointed out 1 starting posistion player per year. your probably right about polancos range but he has 1 year left and he,s at his end. i think j.j. hardy may be a free agent. hes 28.

  16. In addition to Polanco’s range not being good enough to play ss, his arm is not strong enough either. Let the starting NL 3B and possible gold glove winner this year just play there another year.

  17. 4 walks today for Martinez, could be a sign of good plate discipline but hard to say without seeing the game. Cesar up to 260 now, what great strides he has made. Pig relievers continue to be dominant. Pettibone continuing to look like he has the best control of all our young pitchers. Good game for Hewitt and Valle walked again.

    1. Yeah it’s pretty crazy to think that Martinez in one game drew as many walks as Kyrell Hudson has in 15 games. Harold looks like he’s willing to swing, but would much prefer to work the count and earn a free pass. Not saying that’s a bad thing, but I don’t think the Phillies drafted him to keep the bat on his shoulders the whole time.

      This Williamsport team is just one or two legitimate bats away from being really solid contenders. If Martinez and Asche can get anything going then things are going to start looking up for the Cutters pretty soon.

  18. honestly I dont see whats so special about Hewitt that everyone on this site touts him as the next big thing.

  19. Seriously dude? All everybody does on this site is bash Hewitt. Much of it deserved, some of it impatience, but to imply this site is a Hewitt lovefest is crazy. He was an overhyped first round pick who is now holding his own at Low A ball. He’ll go to high A next year and it will be make or break.

  20. Coughlin was roy and was playing out of position in florida. He s a high average speedy little power left handed bat whose 23 years old. He was sent down because they decided he didnt fit
    Natural inf. Perfect time to pick him up.gives it all with talent. Florida is stupid in this case.

  21. Was sent down because he was hitting nothing but not sure why he continues to be discussed on a Phillies prospect site since he’s neither a Phillie nor a prospect..

    1. because much like other players discussed, he could be. and its not like every post is about him. if the phils could get him for a singleton or cosart they,ed be nuts not to.

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