58 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 20 June 2011

  1. After Monday nights game Derrick Mitchell with a slash line of .281/.320/.481 with 12 homers and 45 RBIs would get my vote for the starting center fielder for the East in the EL All Star game. He sure has better slash numbers than the Fisher Cats center fielder Anthony Gose .240/.335/.360 with 5 homers and 29 RBIs. Of course Gose has 29 steals in 35 attempts to Mitch’s 9 steals in 12 attempts. And the game will be played in Gose’s home park in Manchester NH so who knows.

      1. Right very strange! I would take him for a eye check pronto. yes I am serious

  2. Another day of useless Baez (5.1 innings in June) What do Swim and and Carpenter have to do?

    1. Do you want Schwim and Carpenter only throwing 5.1 innings or do you want them in a position of continued development?

    2. I think the problem with Schwimer is that he’s striking too many batters out and the Phillies want him to pitch to contact.

      Seriously, I don’t think Scwimer has to do anything else – he’s ready, plus his numbers get better at each level. The problem, to me at least, is that the bullpen seems solid and Schwimer probably wouldn’t quite fit into the regular rotation. Although I’m sure if he strikes out 13.5/9IP that Manuel would find a regular role. It’s really a matter of time. I’d be surprised if he isn’t called up before September.

      – Jeff

      1. Agree that Schwimer is basically sitting in the queue waiting for the opportunity. He’s in a bit of a tough spot since he’s not on the 40-man roster so they would have to make room to bring him up.

        I also continue to laugh at the calls to replacing Baez. As Nowheels so studiously observes, Baez has throw a total of 5.1 innings in the last 20 days. Why would the Phillies want to put an actual prospect in a position where they get to pitch an inning every 4 days.

        Also, why would they eat the remaining ~ $1.6M of Baez contract just to give someone else those mop-up innings, especially since Baez hasn’t been terrible in those situations (3.38 ERA).

        1. Problem is, those darn ‘Four Aces’ in Philly pitch too many innings—-gee weez, give the bullpen guys a chance to play!

        2. I look at this a little differently. I don’t think Baez has 5.1 innings because that’s all the innings that exist for him, I think he is pitching less because of his inconsistency and the risk associated with using him in a close game. If they had a more reliable pitcher in the Baez role, it would mean fewer innings for other pitchers like Stutes, Contreras, and Madson. That could be helpful in September and October but agree this isn’t an issue that’s going to make or break this season. If Baez is throwing innings in October, something went drastically wrong…

          1. That might be true but I don’t seen anyone who has been called up getting put in tight spots either. As long as their starters continue to pitch 7-8 innings, the combination of Stutes, Romero, Contreras, and Madson are easily covering the last 1-2 innings in close games without being overused.

        3. Baez is holding Lidge’s roster spot. No need to bring up Schwim and alter the 40-man roster, only to send him back down in a month. If Lidge doesn’t return to form, then you should look for Schwim to get a call up. But I do agree with those that would like to see him have the opportunity to pitch some high-leverage innings and take some work away from Stutes & co.

          1. That’s assuming Lidge ever even comes back. His supposed “start throwing” date has been delayed by setbacks a couple times now. He may very well never come back this year.

            1. Lidge might be done permanently – I see a possible abbreviated comeback with some team (Houston?) that involves a 7.34 ERA followed by a retirement and a soft spot in Philadelphia fans hearts for life.

              – Jeff

            2. I doubt Lidge ever comes back – I foresee an abbreviated comeback with some other team (Houston?), followed by a 7.32 ERA, some more time on the disabled list, followed by a retirement and a soft spot in Philadelphia fans hearts for life.

              – Jeff

            3. Dammit. Sorry for the pseudo-double post. I ran C-Cleaner yesterday, and forgot that I became “Anonymous”

              – Jeff

      2. Yeah, just waiting for a spot to open up. He was having a little problem with walks earlier, but it seems that he’s cut his walks from the beginning of the season and kept his strikeouts up. Nothing left for him to do but stay consistent and he’ll get the call up eventually.

      3. “I think the problem with Schwimer is that he’s striking too many batters out and the Phillies want him to pitch to contact.” Really? Can that be so? Isn’t the whole goal as a pitcher to strike out as many batters as possible?

        Are they also concerned that Cody Overbeck is hitting too many home runs?

        1. There’s a school of thought that you teach pitchers to pitch to contact so they don’t have to work as hard. Apparently these people remember baseball before 1920.

          1. I’d really like to know the full “inside” story on this. I can’t believe that this is literally what is taught by professionals – it’s not as if you even need a really sophisticated understanding of statistics to understand how wrong this is – just look at K% for most successful pitchers.. This is especially true for relievers – I can imagine a starter being wrongly given this advice, but not a reliever.

            I’ve seen it suggested that what is really going on is that prospects are taught not to be too cute with their pitches – obviously pitchers with good command should be trying to paint the corners, but a prospect with less command is going to walk way too many batters if he is afraid to put a pitch clearly in the strike zone. If that’s what’s going on that would make a lot more sense.

  3. Interesting group of guys in the GCL. 3/4 of the infield is South American: Valenzuela, Gonzalez and Villalobos. Jorge Castillo, from the DR, played in the OF. Bernardo Solarte, from Venezuela, hit the game winning 3 Run HR. Starting pitcher, Josh Warner, was the Australian guy signed last year. Who is Fabian Cota? It lists him from Mexico. Brian Pointer will be a starter for this team. A few guys from this year’s draft. Then you throw in Chris Duffy, Bill Rice and Angel Chavarin hold overs from last year. A lot of international flavor combined with some new and slightly older guys.

    1. Cota is from Sebastian Valle’s hometown so I am guessing there is some connection there. Probably not a $100K+ bonus however, as the Phillies would have announced that.

      The infield does have mostly Latin American players though I would not get too excited yet. They were in extended and might get supplanted by the new draftees (hopefully anyway). Valenzuela has been a big disappointment the last 3 years and Gonzalez is a little old for a new signee after aging 3 years after he was signed. Villalobos is a little more of an unknown. Castillo looks to have some power but has never hit more than .260 so far.

      Good to see all the international players as you say. The caution is that these are all low dollar signees so think of most of them as the equivament of 15th-25th round draft choices. A couple will make it but most will not. It is really the $100K plus guys that start with enough tools that they at least compete with the 3rd-5th round guys prospect-wise.

  4. Anybody know the deal with Perci Garner? He is not on the DL per the roster..he is not in the starting five for the rotation as WPT has Herbst, new draftee, is starting tonight.

    1. Let’s see: starting rotation for Williamsport: Bastidas, Nesseth,Lino Martinez, Fick, and Herbst. If he is indeed not injured, then the surface conclusion is he has not impressed as well as the starters mentioned.
      Didn’t start off well before injury last season either. Looks like they will use Juary Gomez and Arias as the late inning relievers so far, also. So, time will tell.

      1. I totally missed Nesseth’s start on Saturday. Very encouraging! Was anyone at the game? What were his velo readings?

        Disappointing to not see Garner anywhere in this group. Something must be up because usually they give high draft choices a chance to shine. If he were so bad, wouldn’t he just be in the GCL rotation? He needs to get experience one way or the other.

      2. Also ,upon further review, It could be he is injured because with a 30 man roster and 25 activated for game, there may not be as much of a need to go bouncing players on and off the DL.

        1. Garner came down with an illness right as the WPT team was breaking camp in FL…he’s healthy now but his throwing program was set back a little bit. The team is being careful with him, but he should get in there within the next week or so.

  5. Nice to see Altherr getting off to a fast start in Williamsport. After his rough start at Lakewood, I think a fast start is important for him to rebuild some confidence. Hopefully it continues through the rest of the season.

  6. DSL- hitters not showing alot now. The young SS’s Mora and Cardoza started off well and went down a bit. Not alot of good looking lines. Most of the younger pitchers are MIA, not alot to wow there either.
    VSL- promise from younger hitters: Morelos, SS, Herrara 3B,Wilson Garcia C, and Herlis Rodriguez. Couple years older group has good performers as well.
    GCL-Pointer in RF, Lavin CF, Jorge Castillo LF, Solarte DH in first game.
    Not appearing on GCL roster as yet. Stephen Malcom, SS Miguel Nunez RHP, Luis Gonzalez LHP,Yacksel Rios, RHP (signee) Zael Honora RHP, Trey Ford INF (signee) Will Davis C (UDFA signee) Liam Bedford C (alleged Australian signee)
    Assigned to Lakewood and placed on DL Chace Numata C, and Luis Paulino P or 3B

    WPT- Drew Hillman added to roster, so now they have another 3B candidat. Asche 1 for 4 and only struck out once. He did go up. Franco at 3B and Harold Martinez DH. OF- Dugan RF, Altherr CF, Luis Amaro LF. 2 games in a row off for Hudson.
    Leveling nature of the game: Harold Martinez and Luis Amaro 0 for 3 with 2 Strikeouts. Where else can a highly touted 2nd round pick and an unheralded youngish offseason acquisition and brother of the big boss man, go to an early season NYP game and give exactly the same performance?

    1. Interesting article by Mitch Rupert in today’s Sun-Gazette on the Williamsport tryouts. Wonder who is that big 6′ 5″ lefty free agent they signed at the Lakewood tryouts throwing 94 mph. What ever his name is he goes right to the top of the lefty velo list.

  7. 2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-3, 4.98) – 5 IP, 9 H, 4 R, 4 ER, BB and 3 K’s (loss)
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.244) –0 for 3 with a run and BB
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.354) – 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.249) – 1 for 4
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Williamsport) – (.500) – 2 for 4 with a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.261) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (12) and a K
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (3-0, 1.96, 3 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and a K (save)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.296) – 2 for 6 with a HR (13), 2 RBI (45) and 3 K’s
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (Williamsport) –(.154) – 0 for 4


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Lehigh Valley) – (.133) 0 for 3
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.251) – 1 for 5 with a BB and K
    3B – Maikel Franco (Williamsport) – (.417) – 1 for 4 with an RBI (4)
    3B – Harold Martinez (Williamsport) – (.000) – 0 for 3 with 2 K’s
    2B/DH – Cody Asche (Williamsport) – (.091) 1 for 4 with a run and K
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.270) –2 for 5 with a K
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL) – (.337) – 2 for 4
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.214) – 1 for 4 with a run and K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.281) – 1 for 5 with a HR (12), RBI (45), SB (9) and 2 K’s
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (314) – 1 for 6 with an RBI (21) and a K
    OF – Joe Savery (Redding) –(.167) – 1 for 1
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL) – (.357) – 0 for 4
    RHP – Drew Carpenter (Lehigh Valley) – (5-0, 1.65) – 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 2 K’s (win)

    1. Did you change Reading to Redding for a couple of guys as a tribute to Tim now pitching at LHV? And I really like that Herlis made the Others list.

  8. Someone mentioned Carpenter above, which lead me to his stats page. He seems to have excelled as a RP, with 40+ IP, 9+k/9, and a sub 2 BB/9. For folks that have seen him, or have followed more closely, is he a viable RP option, maybe a middle innings guy?

    I’m also intrigued by Mathieson’s move to the rotation. If he stays healthy, could he replace Kendrick next season as the long man out of the pen, with an occasional spot start?

    1. I actually like Carpenter in the long role for next season. I’m not confident that Kendrick will be tendered

  9. unless carpenter has gotten better stuff since he pitch here, he is marginal relief pitcher at best. Saw him many times, doesnt throw hard, has so so off speed stuff,

    1. I think that’s the point of the question – he seems to have improved quite a bit since he was with the Phillies.

    2. Reports are Carpenter has become a 2 pitch pitcher. He’s ticked up on his pitches because he’s not going 6 or 7 innings. He doesn’t have to worry about a 2nd or 3rd time through the lineup. Before he had 4 pitches with none of them being plus. Maybe he’s found his niche. Certainly his stats at AAA have been very impressive. There are so many good relievers inching towards the big leagues. Carpenter may become lost in the shuffle. He might be a nice piece for another organization though.

  10. Noticed that Kyle Drabek has been sent down to AAA. Major control issues (most walks in the majors) and inability to get lefties out (.311 BA against him), which was a problem when he was in our minor league system. In fact, it looks as though teams have been loading up with lefties against him, as he has faced more lefties than righties (161 ABs vs 115 ABs, which seems highly skewed). He will be asked to put it together inAAA in Las Vegas, a very tough place for pitchers, apparently. Good luck, Kyle!

    1. Four of his games came against the Red Sox and Yankees (two apiece). The Red Sox are of course lefty heavy, and the Yankees have three switch hitters in their regular lineup.

    1. And Singleton is having a night to remember. HR, 2B, 3 hits, 6 RBI. That’s more like it.

    1. Thanks for posting that. Good to hear that “reports” are that he’s back to his old velocity. I was very close to choosing him as my sleeper but I went with Nunez instead. Good luck to Nesseth!

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