71 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 10+11 June 2011

  1. Friday’s action, includes the rest of Thursday’s Lakewood game.

    1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.250) 1 for 4 with a HR (2), RBI (7) and a K
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.260) –1 for 3 with a run and a BB
    7. LHP – Jesse Biddle (Lakewood) – (3-6, 4.13) – 4.2 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB and a K (loss)
    9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Clearwater) – (.000) – 0 for 4 with a K
    11. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (Clearwater)- (8-3, 2.41) – 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 5 K’s (win)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.228) 2 for 4 with a SB (7) and K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.276) 3 for 5 with a 2B (11)
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.217) – 0 for 3 with a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.252) – 0 for 3 with a BB and 3 K’s
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (Reading) – (1-5, 2.43, 4 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 3 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.307) – 1 for 3 with a BB and K
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.276) – 0 for 0 with a run and SB (10)
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.305) – 0 for 4 with 2 K’s


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.273) 2 for 4 with a HR (18) and 2 RBI (46)
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.267) – 1 for 3 with a HR (6) and RBI (25)
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.271) 1 for 4 with a K
    3B – Travis Mattair (Lakewood) – (.333) – 1 for 3
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.256) – 1 for 4 with a K
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.174) – 1 for 4 with a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.279) – 1 for 4 with a run
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (303) – 0 for 1
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.314) – 0 for 4 with an RBI (21)
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.255) – 3 for 9 with a run, BB, 3 SB (17) and a K
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.249) – 1 for 8 with 3 K’s
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (Reading) – (2-1, 2.17) – 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB and 4 K’s (win)
    RHP – Justin Friend (Clearwater) – (1-2, 0.98, 19 SV) – 1.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB and K (save)
    RHP – Garett Claypool (Lakewood) – (1-3, 2.69) – 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 4 BB and 6 K’s

    Saturday’s action, includes the suspended Reading game…

    1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.239) 0 for 3 with a BB
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.263) –1 for 2 with a run, RBI (20), CS (3) and 3 BB
    9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Clearwater) – (.000) – 0 for 5
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.229) 1 for 4 with a run and 2 K’s
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.267) 0 for 6 with 3 K’s
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (5-3, 4.30) – 0.2 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (Clearwater) – (6-4, 2.265) – 5 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB and 4 K’s
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.215) – 1 for 4 with a K
    21. RHP – Colby Shreve (Lakewood) – (3-3, 4.03) – 1 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (3-0, 1.49, 1 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 2 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.305) – 0 for 1
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.279) – 2 for 5 with a 2B (10) and a run
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.288) – 0 for 7 with a run, SB (10) and a K


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.276) 1 for 1 with a run
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.265) – 0 for 1
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.272) 0 for 1
    3B – Travis Mattair (Lakewood) – (.250) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (1), run, BB and 2 K’s
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.255) – 0 for 1
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.222) – 2 for 4 with 2 runs, RBI (3), 2 BB and a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.277) – 0 for 1
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (309) – 1 for 1
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.311) – 1 for 5 with a run and RBI (22)
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.263) – 3 for 6 with a 2B (11), 2 runs, a BB and SB (18)
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.243) – 0 for 5 with 3 K’s
    LHP – Mike Zagurski (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 1.47, 10 SV) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 2 K’s
    RHP – Brian Gordon (Lehigh Valley) – (5-0, 1.14) – 6.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 0 BB and 9 K’s
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (Reading) – (2-1, 2.17) – 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB and 4 K’s (win)
    RHP – Lisalberto Bonilla (Lakewood) – (0-1, 0.89, 4 SV) – 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB and 3 K’s

    1. Hurting might be an understatement. The DSL Phils are in the bottom 4 in nearly every pitching category except Hits and HRs allowed. The reason for this is probably because they walk everyone. As a team they have 74 BBs to only 62 Ks that’s over 11 games. 11 pitchers on the team have more BBs than Ks and most of those are 2, 3, 4 to 1. Their team ERA is 5.52 with a WHIP of 1.77. Out of 75 runs allowed, 20 have been Unearned so they also don’t get a lot of defense either.

      The best pitcher has been Yari Sosa but he’ll be 21 in Sept. Ad Sierra who was unhittable last year is acting like he’s pitching batting practice. The pitching staff is not very young.

      One guy to possibly keep an eye on is Francibel Aleyo. He’s a 6’3″, 170 Lefty who is 18 years old. He’s started 3 games and given up no ERs in 2 of them. He has 11 Ks in 11 IP but also has 6 BBs. Funny thing is the team has given up only 1 HR and Aleyo gave it up.

      The year is young and possibly a few guys will come around but it must be hard to watch these games when they walk nearly 7 a game.

      1. Pitching staff not very young?, depends on what your definition of young is.
        2 ’94 birthyears- (around 16)
        3 ’93 birthyears (around 17)
        3 “92 birthyears (around 18) ( This includes Luis Gonzalez, LHP, who is actually in XST.)
        So these are 7 pitchers (some very recently signed, they could move into better roles in time.
        4 “91 birth years
        and the bulk of the rest ’90 birthyears,
        and , like, 3 ’89 birthyears (including Pedro Lora , who is actually in XST)
        All of the birthyears were included among pitchers drafted by Philly a couple of days ago.
        Considering that they have younger pitchers that could move into better roles, and numerous pitchers not much older than that, and most of the Dominican pitchers will not perform their way off of the Island, I don’t think the stafrf in DSL is a problem age -wise, or vis-a-vis the more previous post, performance-wise either.

        1. You looked at the roster but not who has been pitching. I think Wildcat has been looking at boxscores and seeing all the runs given up and possibly the huge # of BBs. So I looked at who has been pitching. Sosa, Sierra , Alejo, Reyes, Oveido, Marte, Santos and Lorenzo have the most innings pitched. Only Sosa has a decent pitching line. Santos and Alejo were born in ’93. The rest are ’90 amd ’91s. Being 20 or 21 in DSL, usually doesn’t project very well to future prospect.

          The really young guys are not pitching in the DSL. they are probably in EST. I didn’t say the Dominican project was bad. I said the first 11 games in the DR, Small sample and all, have been pretty darn bad.

          1. I wasn’t trying to make a statement about there not being any prospects in the pitching staff down there. I was merely pointing out the fact that there are very few people who are performing in the early going. And yes, i realize it is a small sample size. Im not making any snap judgements about the players and their futures, just saying that they have been scoring some runs so far, but have been getting hurt by a rough start as a team on the mound.

          2. I agree with you here. DSL pitching is a little old and so far has not been very good. The differences in ERA from last year are such that I wonder if they moved the fences in. When I do my next write-up I’ll try to do a little year-to-year comparisons on both offense and defense. Biggest upside so far to me has been the offense from the VSL. As more teams drop their academies I wonder if we are getting a larger share of the second-tier Venezuelan prospects.

  2. Some big personnel things for the minors of late. Mattair goes from Clearwater’s DL to 3b for Lakewood. Looks like defense of Geancarlo Mendez moves him to reserve role. May play some OF , but there are 4 who should play regularly plus Dabbs in reserve. Altherr bounced down to (Williamsport) for the roster move.
    Williamsport OF might project as Dugan-Hudson-Eldemire plus Altherr, and maybe some signees and/or holdovers from XST. One of those could DH, but the 2 !B of Christopher Duffy and Patrick Murray might go there (since it appears Jeffrey Cusick is on restricted list (maybe left camp after told of possible release or lack of playing time is my guess). And also whatever they wind up with in C or IF.
    Gillies activated from Reading’s DL to Clearwater to start in CF.2 games I see they sit out Castro first game and then James in 2nd game. Savery in LF and Ruf at 1B or DH alternating with Singleton still playing. Interesting to see how this shakes out.
    VSL- new signee Herlis Rodriguez seems to have signed on 17th birthday and started in CF , caught stealing twice.. Has played in all the games since signing, so maybe they work him in as regular, and they have a few more regular players right around that age group.

    1. There was a Herlis Rodriguez pitching for Clearwater during spring training..I wonder if he’s the same fellow?

  3. like to see overbeck go to triple a to see how he does. also saw gordon pitch, hope he stays at triple aaa he will get killed in majors. one pitch the curve doesnt go in majors, cant understand the love for the guy,another swindle, imo

    1. Who loves him? He is just now appearing on the radar and nobody has penciled him in as the 5th starter. He is a guy who I give a lot of credit to. It is possible after converting to pitching after 2006 that he is coming into his own. He is certainly getting people out, with the exception of his last game. I wound not compare him to Swindle, he couldn’t break a pain of glass. At least Gordon throws a fastball in the 88 -91 range and supposedly has “incredible command”, as per none other than his teammate Michael Schwimer. He is making a case fir himself to be considered as an option at some point. Remember, to be the 5th starter on the Phils, you only have to beat out KK at this point, although I think Worley will be back soon.

  4. A lot of people need to move. Rosey my favorite to elevate.
    Colliier .292 since April with a real nice OBP.
    Nice bounce back by Claypool.

    1. Does Worley get the screws again to bring up Gordon????

  5. Just some random thoughts:

    Schwimer has pretty much been lights out since he was drafted. The guy is a machine

    Collier has had a nice past few days. Nice comeback season for him.

    Even though Singleton’s power is struggling, his plate discipline is definitely still there.

    It looks like the league has adjusted to Savery. Now he has to adjust back – if he can keep his average over .300 and draw some walks, he may still have potential, even if his ceiling ends up being a lefthanded pinch-hitter.

    – Jeff

  6. Excited to have Gillies back, although with an inauspicious weekend thus far. Hopefully we can have 3-3 in terms of steps forward on the Cliff Lee prospects.

  7. Saw a short stint of the Reading game, we left because of the thunderstorms. Ramirez looked awful, given that he let up 5 ER in the 1st inning before recording 2 outs. No breaking ball control what-so-ever, so Altoona was sitting FB, and swinging often and early, didn’t get his FB over 90 MPH either. I thought he threw in the mid to low 90’s to begin with so possibly an injury situaion, but we’ll wait and see….Saw Galvis weakly pop out to the 3B and Rizotti foul off bunch of pitches before popping up to shallow OF.

  8. So I thought Rosenberg was a reliever. Looks like he’s now moved into a starting role. Wonder how that decision was made? Anybody have any info on this?

    1. made the move because they had a spot open in the rotation, and no one else ready to fill it. At the time of the move, they said they still saw Rosey as a reliever, but by moving to the rotation for a while, he could get more innings and work on his stuff. After the way he has been pitching, they might start to think harder on it.

    1. Same could be said about Carpenter. As another poster here has pointed out (mike77?), there is a pretty big difference between being a good reliever in the minors and a good reliever in the majors.

  9. One guy I think Ruben Amaro should take a chance with in Philly is Derrick Mitchell of Reading and Paw Paw Michigan. Good size, great speed, very good glove and arm and hits with some pop, though BA is a .250/.260ish type, He is now 24 but how much worse can he be then Ben Francisco. Any thoughts from anyone else?

    1. I don’t know why you’d expect a guy who isn’t hitting great in Reading to do well in a double jump to the majors. Mitchell does not stand out among the hitters on his own team.

      1. Susdorf has better production. Probably the best pure hitter in the outfield but he’s not good defensively at all. I maintain that Tagg Bozied is our best pure minor league hitter. I’m still rooting for him to get a shot.

        1. I agree with you on Bozied. He hasn’t caught fire yet this year, but this guy can flat out hit. I would love to see him up here in plave of Franscisco.

          1. Why does every comment boosting a promising minor league OF in the system have to be coupled with a knock on Francisco. Maybe Bozied deserves a shot, maybe even this year. Replacing Francisco with Bozied would be insane.

            Again, the Francisco hate is some of the wierdest stuff that I have seen on this site. Though perhaps understandable from a guy who had to ask what BABIP meant. That’s not a knock on you – but understanding BABIP is one of the reasons why we shouldn’t put too much weight on his lousy BA this year. That and sample size concerns, which are obviously related. Set aside BA – as well we should, it is largely a matter of bad BIP luck (his career BABIP is mediocre, but his BABIP this year is horrible despite the fact that his LD % is fine) and he has been fine. ISO is fine for a 4th outfielder, BB and K performance excellant for a 4th OF. Fielding better than most people realize. Fine for a 4th OF. He’s one of the better 4th OF in the game.

      2. I do wonder sometimes about where the fault lines lie in terms of the people commenting here. It isn’t a pure analytical versus traditional breakdown. The same people who don’t care about analytical stats also don’t respect traditional scouting or traditional baseball decision making. Trying to avoid any unfair characterizations, there is a segment of the commenters here that:

        (1) Makes judgments on small sample sizes;
        (2) Mostly ignores age/level;
        (3) Values power (especially) and BA relative to BB/contact data, and ERA relative to K/BB/HR data for pitchers;
        (4) Mostly ignores context;
        (5) Mostly ignores traditional scouting;
        (6) Place little value on defense; and
        (7) Believes that minor league stats (especially AA and AAA) directly translate to major league stats.

        I’m not sure how to fairly characterize that mindset; it certainly isn’t a respect for “traditional” analsyis.

        As for Mitchell … sigh. IMO Francisco as a major leaguer is better in every single metric that matters, including power.

        1. While Mitchell is certainly a long way from a proven player—-he does throw measurably better, run measurably faster and can play multiple positions passably. He does not have the plate discipline that he needs but he seems to play better each time I see him.

          1. Well sure. I probably like him less than you do, but that’s reasonable. This wasn’t really a comment about Mitchell, really, but about the kind of commenter who thinks that the Phillies should give Mitchell a shot at Francisco’s job. And not even so much a knock on that kind of commenter, but an attempt to try to figure out where they are coming from.

  10. Yeah the Mitchell comment is one of the more ridiculous ones I have seen here. Completely agree with Boized though….tell me he cant be a MLB pinch hitter!

  11. I am one of the biggest Mitchell fans but this comparison is unfair to both players. In my opinion the comparison is impossible. I look at best case is for Mitchell to continue to play well and if the Phillies think they want to resign him bump him up to LV late in the year to see if he can hit a little up there.
    I read this site enough to know that every time Derrick’s name is mentioned there is always a reaction. He is having a good year and I believe he is not only standing out on the R-Phils but making a little noise in the farm system as a whole. That does not mean I think he is the best player on the R-Phils so do not assume it.
    I imagine as the season goes on the posters on this site will have to continue to find fault with Mr Mitchell and why he doesn’t matter in the big scheme of things, because I am positive that if he continues to play well the posts will be made.

    1. Derrick’s goal is to continue to impress his manager and the minor league department. After today’s home run he is on pace to hit over 20 homers and drive in over 80 runs this season at AA since the AA season is not yet half over. If he continues on this pace he will get an invite to the Arizona Fall League and if he does well there he will be added to the 40 man roster. This is an obtainable goal for him. To those of us who see Derrick play on a regular basis there can be not doubt he has all the tools to get to the major league spring training camp next year. A 24 year old, five tool, center fielder, who bats right handed at 6’3″ 210 will soon find a spot somewhere in MLB.

      1. See, that’s an opinion I can respect. Look, I wouldn’t say anything bad about him – even if I am a little less optimistic than you are (for reasons it is pointless to get into) – if I wasn’t responding to the extreme “bring Mitchell up now to replace Francisco” type posts. The only negative comments I see around here from myself or anyone are in response to those kind of extreme opinions.

  12. D. Brown keeps hitting the ball hard but he’s not getting rewarded with hits. They’re going at people. I hope the managers are letting him know that they see that he’s having succesful at-bats. Low BABIP periods happen, and when they do, you just need to maintain your approach and the BABIP will normalize or even go up for a while. Look at Utley today- I think he had two hits, but one of this hits was actually the result of a poor swing- blooper into left.

    1. He’s been quite good so far and I’m sure the coaches and team are letting him know it. Even with the balls not falling in, he’s still had productive ABs.

      1. Batting Average on Balls in Play. Major league average is about .300. Most players (over a large enough sample size, i.e., a couple of seasons) are between .275 and .325; almost everyone is between .250 and .350. Fast line drive hitters tend to have higher BABIP; slow GB or FB players have low BABIP.

        Brown right now is sitting at a BABIP of .255. Based upon his minor league performance, speed, and line drive abilities, he certainly should be over .300, maybe higher. So his mediocre BA is largely a result of bad luck – consistant with our subjective/anecdotal observations (all of the hard hit outs).

        1. You show familiarity with BABIP; so, I have a question that you may be able to answer.

          In determining how much of BABIP is random, why don’t the sabermetrics guys look at the velocity of balls off bats? That would appear to be a key determinant of the rate of success (or failure in the case of pitchers) on balls in play.

          1. I’m guessing here – an educated guess – but I think it’s much easier (I don’t think that data on the velocity of batted balls is readily available) and just as accurate (or more accurate) to look at line drive/ground ball/fly out data. Are hard hit ground balls more likely to be hits, for example? I’m not so sure. It may be marginally more likely to go through the infield for a hit, but then softly hit ground balls may be more likely to be infield hits. Line drives are mostly hit pretty hard but that’s accounted for if you have LD data. A hard hit fly ball may be more likely to be a HR, but that’s not a BABIP issue – HR are accounted for separately.

            Overall it isn’t an exact science, which is why you need to use the data carefully.

            1. I believe that you are correct that the data on the velocity of batted balls is probably not readily available, but we can’t know that the data on ground balls/ fly balls/line drives is at least as accurate until we have obtained the data on batted ball velocity and analyzed it. I think much more research is necessary before definitive conclusions can be drawn. I generally praise the sabermetrics guys for their efforts, but I think they need to collect and analyze more data, and first they need more tools to collect the data.

              (FWIW, instinctively, I believe that hard-hit ground balls produce more hits than softly hit ones, that hard-hit liners tend to find holes more than soft liners and that hard-hit fly balls go further and produce more hits [including homers] than softly hit fly balls.)

              I think any observant fan must acknowledge there is a certain random element with respect to batted balls. I believe that the degree of randomness, however, has yet to be established. It is for this reason that I find stats like FIP and xFIP, which either ignore all hits or at least hits that are in play to describe pitcher effectiveness, are highly questionable.

            2. Let me start by saying that, as a general matter of scientific inquiry, we don’t always need to know the underlying mechanics of a process to draw conclusions when we have sufficient data about the results of said process. We should avoid smoking cigarettes based upon the epidemiological data, even if we don’t fully understand the underlying mechanisms of cancer (which we don’t). Similarly, lack of a complete understanding of the underlying processes of BABIP does not necessarily mean that we can’t draw conclusions from the data that we do have.

              Beyond that, there are couple different issues here. If we’re talking about pitchers, the fact is that the VAST majority of pitchers will tend, over a sufficient sample size, to cluster very closely around the mean regarding BABIP allowed. The exceptions are not only few, but don’t tend to be extreme. AND we know from many, many studies that FIP and xFIP are much better than ERA at predicating future ERA. So for pitchers, despite some gaps in knowledge of the underlying mechanics, your skepticism is certainly unwarranted.

              Now, hitters a slightly different matter because there is much more variance in the BABIP data than for pitchers. So yes we should indeed be somewhat cautious in drawing conclusions. But we KNOW that the very best BABIP performers in the game are fast line drive hitters who BABIP around .350 (career rates). So we are pretty justified in concluding that a slow(ish) catcher who BABIPs around .400 is going to regress eventually. We KNOW that .250 is about the minimum BABIP for a major league caliber hitter over a large sample size, and we know that players tend to regress/progress to their career BABIP. So we can say with virtually 100% certainty that Francisco will increase his BA eventually, and that he is suffering from poor BIP luck, since his BABIP is well below .250 and even further below his career norms (and he has maintained his LD rate at his career norm). And so on.

              And finally a little context here. I’d seen dozens – dozens – of predictions on this site of players regressing in their BA because of unsustainable BABIP. NEVER ONCE have I seen one of those predictions to be wrong. Never once. It gets a little tiresome; we make accurate predictions, time and time again, and face the same blanket refusal of people to accept the data.

              Or maybe the published data is wrong and Rizzotti is batting .350 this season rather than .307.

            3. In terms of pitchers, I do want to make clear that there is indeed SOME variance in BABIP allowed, and obviously for a pitcher with an established variance that should be taken into account. But with that slight qualification, FIP and xFIP data have justifiably radically changed how evaluate pitchers and predict future performance. BABIP data has, on the other hand, not revolutionized how we evaluate hitters, and that’s appropriate because of the greater variance. But that doesn’t mean that such data isn’t valuable in the right context.

        2. I realize that your opening comment was about a hitter’s BABIP. I have no point to make about a hitter’s BABIP.

          My focus here is on a pitcher’s BABIP. While I acknowledge that some of the advanced metrics have been shown to be better predictors than ERA, that may merely mean that we are searching for truth, and we have begun to make progress. Until the analysts look at all the relevant data and tell us their findings and conclusions, we shouldn’t conclude that we know the truth. I am not satisfied that we ignore base hits and look at a relatively small number of outcomes in determining a pitcher’s effectiveness. The velocity of batted balls is one area that I think should be examined because it may tell us more about the base hits and runs that a pitcher yields and give us a more complete picture about pitcher effectiveness. There are other areas that should be examined as well.

          1. I’m all for more research. And for a guy like Matt Cain, who has established over more than 1000 IP that he can maintain a better ERA than xFIP or FIP (mainly because his BABIP allowed is so low), sure you need to take that into account. (While still perhaps predicting some regression to the mean, which even seems to be the case this season.)

            But generally speaking .. remember Happ? Remember us skeptics saying no way he could maintain his ERA given his FIP? Kendrick his first year? I could go on and on. It’s just an immensely valuable tool.

            Here are some predictions, based on FIP and xFIP. By the end of the year:

            The Phillies ERA will be lower than the Brave’s ERA, and the starting pitchers’ ERAs even more so.

            Lee’s ERA will be lower than is is now
            Matt Garza’s ERA will be lower
            Kershaw’s ERA will be lower
            Jurrjens’ and Hanson’ ERAs will be higher (Jurrjens’ especially)
            Lohse’s ERA will be a lot higher
            Karstens’ ERA will be a lot higher

            Let’s see how I do.

    2. I think Manuel knows hitting well enough and is good enough at communicating with his players that it should not be a problem.

  13. Not sure if this has been discussed on here previously, but it appears as if Gordon can opt out on Wednesday if another MLB team is willing to put him on their big league roster. You’d have to think somebody out there would be willing to give this guy a chance so it will be interesting to see if the Phils would promote him to give him a spot start in Seattle over Worley. At this point you never know and I’d rather see Gordon making a spot start or being a long reliever than Baez or Romero stick on this roster. then again, if you’re Gordon, you have to think you’d get a much longer and more realistic look with another team.

    1. Except that it isn’t just a spot start – Worley I suspect will be the 5th starter for at least until Blanton returns. As good as Gordon has been, I’d prefer Worley for that spot.

      If, knock on wood, another starter was injured, I’d certainly like to see him Gordon get the chance. But I don’t really see why Baez/Romero enter into it. If you do want to replace them (I see the case for Baez more than Romero; the problem with Romero is misuse, he should be a LOOGY only, in that role he deserves a spot on the roster), there are better reliever candidates than Gordon.

      1. My point was that the Phils could decide on Gordon as the 5th starter for the next month or so rather than Worley, whom they would leave at AAA. They would then move KK back to the pen and at this point I’d rather see KK in a middle to long relief role than Baez. I don’t believe anyone is higher on Gordon than Worley but if they felt they were going to lose Gordon and he could do as well right now as Worley, they may opt to keep him around by giving him an opportunity. We’ve seen what lengths they have been willing to go to in order to keep guys around, I.e., Martinez, Herndon. Personally I’d go with Worley.

  14. Couldn’t agree with Dan more. He hit a would be grand slam that went about 5 ft foul last week. He hit a double that was two feet from going over the fence. He hit that gapper with the bases loaded vs the Pirates that a great diving catch was made on. He’s a few breaks away from being a 300 hitter at this point with 4 H R’s and about 8 more RBI’s than he has now. He has played very very well.

    1. More than anything, he just has good at bats. He is so young and inexperienced, but he already works the count like a good, veteran player. He has done nothing but impress me thus far.

  15. ben francisco is not a starter plain and simple, and not a adquate rightfielder, has no arm for that position. but to come on here and suggest a mitchell or overbeck can replace him is insane at this point. let those two go to triple a and prove themself before throwing them up as a replacement for a major league outfield.as much as i dont like him he did hit 15 homeruns in 500 plate appareance twice for cleveland

    1. I had the same thought. I am pulling for him big time.

      Perhaps “pull” is not a verb I should use when talking about Gillies…

  16. Francisco is a #4 outfielder who has been exposed by too many at bats against right handers.
    He is what he is and should be valued as such. Francisco should be in a platoon with someone.
    The bigger problem is the limited help Gload can give.

  17. Sunday’s stats:

    1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.239) 0 for 0
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.257) –0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (4-4, 3.55) – 5 IP, 6 H, 3 R 3 ER, 2 BB and a K (loss)
    9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Clearwater) – (.154) – 2 for 4 with 2 2B (2) and a run
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Reading) – (4-0, 1.91, 7 SV) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB and a K (save)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.223) 0 for 4 with a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.274) 2 for 3 with 2 2B (13), 2 runs, RBI (17) and a BB
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (5-3, 4.30) – 0.2 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.223) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (7), 2 RBI (13) and a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.253) – 1 for 3 with a BB
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.306) – 1 for 4 with a BB
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.274) – 0 for 4


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.278) 3 for 7 with a run, BB and 2 K’s
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.262) – 0 for 4
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.268) 0 for 3 with a BB and K
    3B – Travis Mattair (Lakewood) – (.250) – 1 for 4 with a run and K
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.259) – 2 for 5 with 2 HR (6) and RBI (23)
    OF – John Mayberry (Lehigh Valley) – (.290) – 3 for 4 with 2 2B (3), 2 runs and 2 RBI (5)
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.274) – 1 for 7 with a HR (10) and 2 RBI (40)
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (307) – 2 for 5 with a SB (3)
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.259) – 0 for 3 with a run, BB, SB (19) and K
    RHP – Drew Carpenter (Lehigh valley) – (1-0, 1.88) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 0 K
    RHP – Tyler Cloyd (Redding) – (0-0, 2.45) – 5 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB and 7 K’s
    RHP – David Buchanan (Lakewood) – (8-3, 2.85) – 8 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB and 6 K’s (win)

    1. Its also been nice to see Santana’s stats slowly creep up as the year goes on. After a brutal start in Lakewood, he’s been getting better and better.

      Galvis is pushing for true prospect status…fun to watch.

  18. Galvis is having a great season. His ISO is way up, a great sign. Jury is still out on his ceiling, but Galvis could likely fill a utility role by late next year.

    1. I’d rather give him more development time to see if he can be more than a utility man. If he can eventually hit .260/.320/.380 in the majors – I’m not projecting that from his current performance, just saying that I could see him develop to that point – that along with his defense is a solid major league regular at SS. That’s roughly Rollins’ numbers this year, with better defense. I’d take that.

      1. As would I…he’d be well served by a full year in AAA at a minimum. He’s barely 21 (turns 22 at the end of Nov) so he’s a very young prospect still. It feels like he’s been around forever but you have to remember the Phillies signed him as a 16 year old.

        1. He’s a guy who might actually benefit from a couple of years (or at least a year and a half) at AAA, just like Utley and Ruiz did. That way, you might have a finished product at age 24.

  19. It was nice to see Gillies get two doubles. I hope he starts to tear it up. On the field…not his hamstring.

  20. I think I have had enough of Nate Bump and maybe even Brian Bass. Bump has been horrible and is 34. Bass has been pretty bad but not as bad as Bump and he is also 5 years younger so it wouldn’t be too bad for him to stick around. I think that De Fratus, Aumont, and Rosenberg are all worthy of a AAA roster spot. Chris Kissock has also been very good as of late so maybe even him if he can keep it up. Brummett was great all year except he has been really bad in his last few games.

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