47 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 5 May 2011

  1. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (Lehigh Valley) – (.385) 3 for 4 with two runs and an RBI
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-0, 9.00) DNP
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.310) –2 for 4 with a run, a BB and a K
    4. RHP – Jared Cosart (Clearwater) – (3-3, 3.41) – DNP
    5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (2-2, 5.54) – DNP
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.282) – 1 for 5 with a run and 2 K’s
    7. LHP – Jesse Biddle (Lakewood) – (0-4, 5.91) – DNP
    8. RHP – Vance Worley (Lehigh valley) – (2-2, 2.78) – Up with the big club
    9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Reading) – DNP
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Reading) – (2-0, 2.92, 3 SV) – 1 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 2 BB’s and 2 K’s
    11. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (Clearwater)- (4-0, 2.13) – DNP
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.171) 2 for 3 with a BB and a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.229) DNP
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (4-1, 1.86) – 2.2 IP, 2 H, 6 R, 3 ER, 3 BB and 0 K’s (loss)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Lakewood) – (.190) – 1 for 4 with a run and 2 K’s
    16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (Clearwater) – (3-1, 1.75) DNP
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.200) – 0 for 2 with 2 BB
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.276) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (6), 2 RBI and 2 K’s
    19. 2B – Harold Garcia (Reading) – (.300) Out for the season with a torn ACL
    20. RHP – Kevin Walter – Season hasn’t started
    21. RHP – Colby Shreve (Lakewood) – (2-2, 4.26) – DNP
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (Reading) – (0-2, 2.25, 2 SV) – DNP
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (1-0, 2.63) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 3 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.326) – 1 for 3 with a HR (4), 2 RBI, a BB and a K
    25. RHP – Austin Hyatt (Reading) – (3-1, 3.00) – DNP
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.264) – 1 for 5 with a HR (4) and 2 K’s
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.189) – DNP
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan – Season hasn’t started
    29. RHP – Josh Zeid (Reading) – (1-1, 4.35) –DNP
    30. RHP – Percival Garner – Season hasn’t started


    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.305) 0 for 4 with a K
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.319) 0 for 5
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.258) – 1 for 3 with a 3B (1), 2 runs and a BB
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.433) – 2 for 4 with a BB
    RHP – Scott Mathison (Lehigh valley) –(0-0, 4.97, 1 SV) – DNP
    RHP – Jordan Ellis (Reading) – (0-0, 2.25) – DNP
    RHP – David Buchanan (Lakewood) – (3-1, 1.99) – DNP
    LHP – Mario Hollands (Lakewood) –(2-2, 2.45) – DNP

  2. Anyone else concerned by lack of power numbers for Singleton so far? he has shown us he is a streaky hitter.. but 58 AB.. 2 doubles, 1 HR.

    1. I’d say I’m a little disappointed, but not worried. He’s hitting pretty well (good contact and walk rates) as a young player in a pitcher-friendly league despite switching position and being dogged by injuries. The power will come.

      1. I’m not disappointed – he is showing great contact and plate discpline skills while learning a new position and overcoming an injury in a league where he is exceptionally young. I am extremely high on Singleton – more than ever. The power will come and probably sooner rather than later. This kid can just flat out hit and that’s exactly what they are going to need in left field. I expect to see him in Philly in 2013.

  3. Can someone tell me about two players, I really dont know anything about sardina, Watching him play last year and this year, it seems he isnt a hitter, but also his defense is nothing to brag about,. is he a former major league ? why him? last night he had the ball in plenty of time to get werth and didnt block the plate. bad defense again by him. we have no one better in the minors? watching university of texas play I really thought RUPP would hit so far he hasnt done anything to warren his selection, college ball has to be as good as low a and he really hasnt hit, wonder if anyone knows scouting report on him before draft.

    1. Sardinha is a former second round pick and once a top 100 prospect. He actually has a sterling defensive reputation. He must, because he is one of the worst hitters to have a long minor league career in some time. His AAA career line is .210/.262/.329, and that’s in nearly 2,000 plate appearances. He has some pop and can occasionally hit one far, but his overall contact skills are nonexistent.

    2. Rupp takes a Pete Incaviglia type swing at the plate- it’s not a promising approach.

    3. Rupp has a very long swing that is susceptible to good pitching. Transitioning to wooden bats has also been difficult for him.

  4. 14 of the 15 Phuture-Phillies pitchers used yesterday have season ERAs under 3.00, and 12/12 excluding low A Lakewood. Pretty impressive, even if just May 5.

  5. 3-1 again! lucky for jc the phils dont play any 1130 games…can he pitch his way into a rotation spot by 2013?

  6. The Phillies are convinced that the secret to winning is in the pitching. They are creating a system that is full of good pitchers. From the evidence of their performance in the majors this year, they are correct. Manzanillo is up and down. He had a good game last night.
    From the performance of Worley and Stutes it seems that attitude is everything. The skill must be there, but how they challenge hitters is essential to success.

    1. I don’t think the Phillies invented the concept that you win with pitching and defense. Its that way at every level of baseball. You have to hit a little of course but great pitching beats good hitting every time.

  7. 6 = # Ks for JC Ramirez after113 batters faced (5 G, 29 IP)
    7 = # RBI for Jimmy Rollins after 137 PA (30 G, 120 AB)
    These are two numbers I should not be able to count in my head 5 weeks into the season. Weird, especially because they are both doing well in every other phase of their games, so I’ll chalk it up to small sample size.

  8. 6 = #Rookies on the first place Phillies active roster:
    This number may shrink as the injured vets (Blanton, Utley, Contreras, Lidge, Ruiz) come back. It does not count Brown who is likely to be the best rookie of them all. I see it remaining at least 4.

    1. Bastardo and Mayberry are not rookies. Both have used up their rookie eligibility prior to this year and are not eligible for the rookie-of-the-year award if they have a great year.

      1. Neither is Sardinha who has played in the majors for brief periods over 6 different seasons.

  9. i know we dont do many trade scenarios here but since PP contributed to a recent blog regarding hunter pence…would you do worley,singleton and mathieson…i think it may be too much…but how bout worley (who i wanted to be a starter from the start) may, mathieson and rizzotti…just wondering from stall #4

    1. The thing about Pence is that he wouldn’t be a huge upgrade. I don’t think anyone here would consider for a minute including Singleton in a deal for him.

      I would do may, mathieson and rizzotti – probably wouldn’t get it done, though.

        1. I would do Worley, May, Rizzotti and Mathieson for Pence in a heartbeat. The trade is essentially Worley and May for Pence, who is still arbitration eligible. I’m not that enthusiastic about May as a potential starter, so I think the Phillies gain on that trade.
          I wouldn’t consider trading Singleton for him, though.

    2. too much. Pence is about to become an expensive player. figure that he won his arbitration case for 2011 and is making $6.9M. He’ll be hitting the $10M barrier probably next season with FA to follow…

  10. One thing that stood out to me was Geancarlo Mendez’s line. O for 5 but with no k’s, only 11 k’s on the season. It will be interesting to see if he’s really this good at making contact, any scouting reports on him?

    1. Hey’s an athletic looking hitter- solid approach, consistent hard contact. Unless he puts on some more muscle he’s a Daric Barton type hitter- he figures to be a 10+ homers and lots of doubles guy. He looks terrible at third and his arm isn’t impressive- at higher levels he’s going to have to be a first baseman or left fielder.

  11. If our offense continues producing similarly to what it is now, Hunter Pence is not worth that package of prospects and future payroll commitment for what we would gain.

    1. Take a look at Hunter Pence’s historical WAR numbers – they are not very good. Unless he comes relatively cheap, I don’t think we should be wasting too much on Pence.

      1. The thing about Pence’s WAR numbers is that baseball reference and fangraphs have DRASTICALLY different numbers for him. For his career, BR has him as 8.6 wins above replacement whereas fangraphs has him at 15. I guess it all depends on which one you trust more.

  12. I wouldnt trade Singleton or Colvin for Pence. I’d consider Cosart. I’d definitely trade May.

    Pence has a career .816 OPS in the majors in 2587 PA. 116 OPS+

    Francisco has a .774 OPS in the majors in 1343 PA. 106 OPS+

    Splits v LHP/RHP

    Francisco: .326/.441 v RHP, .345/.447 v LHP
    Pence: .334/.474 v RHP, .343/.501 v LHP

    Pence is the better all around hitter. They have similar OB% skills, Pence has consistently hit for a higher average, and his ISO (.193) is also higher than Francisco’s (.181)

    Pence is also a year and a half younger, and a better defensive outfielder, but not a great one.

    The question comes down to what Pence’s next contract is worth. If you get him to sign a slightly backloaded 4/48 deal, then I think its fine for the Phillies to trade May + 2 more guys for him. I’m sure the Astros will ask for more. Considering Cosart’s injury history, if you have to move him, then okay, but then the rest of the package is going to be made of up fringe guys like Mathieson. Worley should not be included in this scenario, as I think he’s going to be needed next season.

  13. I know this is a big if at this point, but if Blanton has a decent year he will be very tradeable at 1 year and $8.5 M in comparison to coming off a so-so year and being owed 2 yrs and $16.5M

    1. You all should think carefully before trading Cosart for a player who is barely above average. The Phillies are far better off renting a guy who is older, can hit like hell and is going to be a free agent – if he stays or leaves after the season isn’t a big deal. If they trade for somebody it has to be a pretty noticeable upgrade over what they have, knowing that there is a pretty good chance that each of Francisco, Brown and Mayberry are probably going to improve throughout the course of the season and Brown and Francisco could improve a lot.

      1. Yeah, dude, totally, let’s just rent that mythical guy that will cost us less than Cosart who can hit like hell and then net us draft picks when he leaves. I heard there’s like tons of those available.

        What world are you living in?

        1. I do not feel trading for Pence would be a good move. Keep in mind it seems likely that Chase will be back before too long. So when Ruiz and Chase get back, that sits Valdez and Schnieder. The line up would look much better.

        2. Dude, I am living in a world where the Yankees traded very little to pick up Lance Berkman for a stretch drive last year. Yes, that actually happened and it happens every year. We definitely do not need to trade Cosart to get that type of player. What world are you living in?

          1. Berkman was acquired for such luminaries as Mark Melancon and Jimmy Paredes. Jared Cosart they are not. And, while were at it, we didn’t even trade our best couple of prospects to get pitching ace Roy Oswalt. So what makes you think that we’d have to trade one to rent an aging corner outfielder with the little pop, particularly if we are going to pick up salary that somebody else does not want?

  14. To throw a name out there that might be available for cheap relatively soon, I might look at Magglio Ordonez as a RH option to split time in the OF. If the Tigers continue to fall out of the race they would probably be happy just to unload his salary. He’s not the hitter he was, and he’s currently giving Raul a run for his money on the “Worst Hitting Outfielder Who Used to be Good” award, but I think he’d help in the end, and would give us more match-up options for way less than it will cost (at least in terms of talent) to get some of these younger names floating around.

    1. I mentioned Magglio a few weeks ago as that kind of option. I’m not sure the Tigers will be out of it in July, though.

  15. All you guys mentioning Cosart in a trade should realize the Phils think Cosart can be a #1 ace if he stays healthy and improves. Arms like that don’t come around that often so I would be stunned if they traded him. Trading Worley is also not going to happen. There’s a decent chance Oswalt won’t even play next year and they’ll need Worley. If Dom keeps it going at LHV and Chase is able to make it back and plays well (two big ifs, granted), there won’t be any trades. Let’s hope for that scenario.

    1. If I had to put money on it, I’d bet on Cosart never playing in the Majors. He’s far away from the Majors and he already has had repeated injuries. Not a great combination.

  16. I do not really want to continue the ‘trade’ topic but why would the Phillies trade for an OF? Vic is a very good CF. Brown should be up by midseason and has star level projection with maybe an average RF floor? And LF is the second easiest position to fill. For backups Mayberry seems like a good platoon guy, Francisco is a good 4thOF/ below average starter and Gload could actually be a decent platoon partner if LF with Mayberry. AND the minors of full of probably OF prospects like Overbeck, Savery, Singleton and Castro that might help in two years and maybe Gillies if he is ever healthy.

    If the Phillies make a trade it should be for someone who can play 3B and hit. One of ‘new guy’, Utley or Polanco could play LF. Nearly every Phillie is untradeable due to cost/age/injury so Phillies would need to eat salaries of Howard, Utley, Ibanez, Blanton, Lidge to free space anyway. I’d really hate for them to trade Polanco due to his versatility. There may be others but David Wright and Aramis Ramirez would be potential targets.

  17. Older ‘control’ guys Cisco, Pettis, and even Carpenter looking good so far in their bullpens. I doubt any of them become useful in the majors but their chances will improve if they can get back to starting.

    The hyped Lakewood OF has been very disappointing thus far. Santana got hot then hurt, leaving Hewitt as the best of a seemingly very talented bunch. And it sounds like Mendez is another pitiful fielder at 3B, meaning he likely moves to OF. I really expected breakout type season from Collier. I figured Altherr would be steady with nice flashes. Not sure if Santana or Hewitt can ever cut down on K’s and Alvarez I expected get little playing time. I know it is still early, but I hoped for at least one of them to be excitingly good.

  18. Wow…Interesting comments all around–on the Pence trade discussion, projections for all of these young guys, and potential July moves…many of you it seems have done a lot of homework. I must say, as fanatically addicted to baseball as I am, to the point where it might be borderline sickness, I really only know a decent amount about maybe 5-6 of these prospects that are highly valued. I very much enjoyed reading all of the various thoughts and considerations about our young players at each level…

    However, the Phils are a win-now team, if there was ever a definition of it. They will make some kind of July move that will send out some of these prospects. I see a couple of you seem to be fine with depending on an unproven MLB Domonic Brown to be that much better than Ibanez in left in October…Of course, I hope so too, and I think Brown (rightly so) will be seeing the most LF playing time at the stretch-run, but it’s still seems overly-confident for you to think the offensive outfield strength of the 2011 phillies rests on the shoulders of a minor league player…AND even more than that, those of you who are fine with taking some sort of Mayberry/Francisco combination into the playoffs are out of your mind. That might have been okay on the teams with the Adam Eaton’s and Rico Brogna’s, but not now. I guarantee Ruben will be looking at bringing in Carlos Quentin or Delmon Young–both of whom will be free agents after 2012, will have an arbitration year not as expensive as Pence, will bring some power (quentin has a great percentage of hits going for XBH) and avg. (Young is a career .305 vs lefties and .341 w RISP) back into the lineup, would be an upgrade over Ben Francisco in RF…its ridiculous to think that the Phils would be satisfied taking 1 experienced/proven playoff hitter (Vic) into October with this group of guys..I think they are going to bring in Quentin if the White Sox are out of contention, and I would welcome that move…Ruben was talking to the Sox about Quentin last December in an attempt to replace some of the lost production of Jayson Werth, but a deal was never done because the Sox thought they would compete this year with Quentin in RF…I know its early, but this is all I think about, and I think this is the July move..for those of you that know more about prospects than I do, what are your thoughts? Don’t you think the phils could get away with a productive player like Quentin/Young for rest of 2011 and all of 2012 for much less prospects than a Hunter Pence? What kind of prospect package do you think would be suitable for a Carlos Quentin or Delmon Young? because I really really think these are the top 2 OF on the radar, since we don’t have someone really ready to play RF in 2012 unless you are really going down with the Ben Francisco ship………

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