Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #21 Prospect

Darick Hall was your selection as the #20 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

Hall received 41 of the 215 votes cast (19%). Francisco Morales finished second with 36 votes (17%), Kyle Young finished third with 35 votes (16%), and Daniel Brito finished fourth with 25 votes(12%).  Nineteen others received the other 78 votes.

Darick Hall was drafted by the Phillies in the 14th round of the 2016 Amateur Draft out of Dallas Baptist University.

Hall was assigned to Williamsport after signing on June 15th.  He posted a slash of .282/.372/.518/.890 with 13 walks (5.7%) and 57 strikeouts (25.2%) in 226 plate appearances.  He had 9 HR and 29 RBI.

In 2017, Hall had an impressive spring training but was sent to Lakewood where he had a record-breaking season.  He slashed .272/.340/.533/.872 with 29 walks (5.8%) and 110 strikeouts (21.9%) in 477 plate appearances.  He broke team records with 29 HR and 101 RBI.  He was called up to Clearwater for a 7-game cameo and hit 2 HR.

Contrary to popular belief, Hall was not old for the levels he played.

  • Hall was 1.1 years younger than the average age with Williamsport in the NYPL
  • Hall was 0.5 years younger than the average age with Lakewood in the SAL
  • Hall was 1.7 years younger than the average age with Clearwater in the FSL

The lefty-hitting Hall looks larger than his listed 6’4, 236.

Hall is probably slated for Clearwater in 2018, but there is really nobody blocking him further up the organization.   Green?  Martin?  Tomscha?

Next up is your selection for the #21 prospect in the organization.

2018 Readers’ Poll, so far –

  1. Sixto Sanchez
  2. Scott Kingery
  3. J.P. Crawford
  4. Jhailyn Ortiz
  5. Jorge Alfaro
  6. Adam Haseley
  7. Adonis Medina
  8. Franklyn Kilome
  9. Mickey Moniak
  10. JoJo Romero
  11. Roman Quinn
  12. Enyel De Los Santos
  13. Cornelius Randolph
  14. Tom Eshelman
  15. Dylan Cozens
  16. Ranger Suarez
  17. Seranthony Dominguez
  18. Nick Fanti
  19. Arquimedes Gamboa
  20. Darick Hall
  21. ?

A lot of players are at the Complex already.  Cozens, Florimon, and Carlos De La Rosa are the position players I’ve seen the past two weeks.  Quinn was down a couple weeks ago.

A bunch of pitchers are also here.  Some are on rehab like Mario Sanchez and Grant Dyer. Sutter McLoughlin has also been around.  Others are part of a program where they work for the City of Clearwater part of the time they are here.

Several pitchers threw today on the mounds between Ashburn and Schmidt Fields.  I saw Nick Pivetta throw his first bullpen.  Anderson, Eflin, and Lively are scheduled to throw Friday. Others who threw were Ryan Etsell, Ben Brown, J.D. Hammer, Kyle Young, Garrett Cleavinger, Seth McGarry, Zach Warren, McKenzie Mills, and Jeff Singer.

Hammer was popping the mitt already.  His first pitch hit the back stop, about 2-3 feet from my head.  I moved a little after that pitch until he mastered his control.  Young looked real good.  The young lefty already possesses superior control. This group will probably throw again on Thursday.

I tweeted this out on the 16th, “Just spoke with Kevin Gowdy. He completed his first throwing session since his operation. Says he feels good”.

The Phillies’ brass will be in Clearwater for meetings starting tomorrow.  This includes managers and coaches from all the affiliates.

55 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #21 Prospect

  1. I went with Morales again. Brito will be next after him.

    It’s great to hear some guys are starting to throw, getting ready for ST. It looks, on paper, like another great year on the farm.

    1. I have Brito ahead of Morales but agree those two are next. Brito is long overdue, IMO. After that some variation of Howard Irvin Muzziotti and Young, I think, but I haven’t thought it through.

  2. With the exception of 3b, the depth of the Phillies organization is ridiculous. The likelihood that at least one of the kids at each position becomes something at the big league level is high. Then add in trade values and the outlook is even more encouraging.

    I’m going with Morales until he’s off the board. However, we’ve reached the point where we’re basically arguing over our favorite flavor of ice cream.

    1. No — the key point is that there are quite serious prospects left: Morales, Brito, Gutierrez, Young, Hammer, Garcia, Anderson, Muzziotti, Howard, Mills fill out the top 30, with legit prospects left on the shelf. It is a really strong farm. That’s relatively new. I remember a lot of lists where the quality of guys we were voting at 15 were less than the guy we’ll pick at 30 this year.

      Long way away, but I’ll go with the ceiling of Morales.

      1. I missed Irvin. He’s also very legit — I don’t see a high ceiling but his floor is solid, barring injury he spends time in the Phillies rotation.

        1. Irvin, as a lefty, would be a welcomed addition to the rotation.
          Assume if he starts out in LHV, and pitches well, by post all-star break he could see some time in Philly.

          1. No room at LHV for him, barring a trade or injuries. He’ll start the year back at Reading, with Taveras. LHV already has Eshelman, Anderson, Eflin, Thompson, Lively, and Liebrandt.

  3. I took Brito again but I could see Morales, Howard, or Young who I see as next up.
    Jim, how was Phantasy Camp? I saw that Eisenrich won

  4. This is the time of the poll where I like to look at who isn’t getting much love in the comments but could have huge upside. McKenzie Mills is one of these guys. He’s new to the organization so there aren’t too many of us that know anything about him. He’s a good size (6′ 4″ 205) lefty. He’ll be 22 all year and should start in CLW with a possibility to see Reading sometime this year. He was successful in the National’s organization. At Hagerstown (A), he had a 3.01 ERA and a .946 WHIP. He had a 10.1 K/9 and a 1.9 BB/9. He went to CLW when he joined the Phils organization and in 3 games had 9.2 K/9 and didn’t walk a man. He looks like a strike thrower and doesn’t hand out many free passes. He’s a guy who could be one of the top lefties in the organization.

    Drew Anderson and Cole Irvin are two more who we should see discussed in the coming picks. Anderson saw a little action in the big leagues last year and it wasn’t pretty but sometimes a guy comes up, gets reamed a new one and goes back to the minors to work on some things. A taste of the big leagues will give him a new perspective and hopefully will equate to success in the future. Irvin is lefty who is shooting up the organization quickly. But if he keeps making upside strides, we could see him in AAA or even the big leagues pretty soon.

    1. Agree that Anderson and Irvin are viable selections in the coming picks. Irvin in particular has barely been mentioned in these discussions.

      That said, I went with Brito here and will likely continue to do so until he makes the list. After that I’m looking at Morales and Brayan Gonzalez.

  5. I like Hall a lot, but from a prospect standpoint, #21 is so far off base. Mills, El. Garcia, Cole Irvin, even a Leibrandt type all should be higher rated as prospects. Not a 21-22 year old college drafted 1B who raked up A-ball. Daniel Brito even? Morales?? Kyle Young?? Guys I am SMH, seriously.

      1. This is a reader poll. Number 20 means nothing in this popularity contest. Let’s start comparing statistics and maybe that would open some eyes.

    1. That is the same logic applied to Hoskins in 2015, who incidentally was a year older than Hall at Lakewood in 2017.

      1. Hoskins was a higher pick, who hit better in Lakewood than Hall, forced a promotion to Clearwater, and continued to put up better numbers than Hall did in Lakewood.

        1. So what you are saying is…being a lower pick then the prospect needs to show more than a higher pick?

          1. I’m saying that he was a late pick who is putting up good but not great numbers and hasn’t gotten any encouraging scouting reports by anyone but Phillies/Darick Hall fans. So yeah, college players who are taken after the 10th round are constantly in the “prove it at every level” category.

            1. Granted evaluators….ie Mat Winkelman for one, and the evaluators he utilizes, was not even going to have him in his top 50, however i am willing to let it play out. I tend to trust Joe Jordan’s evaluations.

            2. I think I have him at 43 on my own list, like two places behind Greg Pickett. I’m always pretty hard on 1B when I rank players too.

            3. Handzus
              Here is a prospect ranking from “Prospect1500”. They do a yearly ranking of every teams top 50.

              Hall came in at #17, the 7th ranked position player. So he is getting some recognition nationally to those that look at performance, not draft position. If Hall had been a 1st rounder and put up identical numbers EVERYONE would be rating him top 10.

            4. Yes, and, conversely, if Moniak had been a 4th round pick, he wouldn’t be in anyone’s top 40, let alone top 30. That cuts both ways.

            5. Catch22hman
              The difference here is that Hall led the league in HR, RBI,SLG%, set team records and won league MVP even after missing 19 games. Moniak on the other hand struggled. Once drafted a player should be graded on their production regardless of draft slot.

            6. The list from prospect1500 isn’t very good. It seems to be heavily stat-based and lacking in consideration of tools. I mean, they ranked Fanti ahead of Adonis Medina and Jojo Romero.

              Also, if Hall had been a 1st rounder he would have skipped over Lakewood; that’s what highly regarded college draftees tend to do. I hope he keeps hitting home runs while improving his plate discipline as he moves up the ladder and gives Hoskins a run for his money as the team’s 1B of the future. It’s just a longshot to happen.

          2. Yes, right or wrong it’s true that a lower pick has less wiggle room. Part of the reason a guy is picked high is based on the level of talent perceived. Those players are given more time to have the results match the talent.

            I see Hall’s numbers and lack of athleticism and see another “Rizz” or Ruf scenario playing out…

    2. Yeah Hall tore up A ball. You say it like its a bad thing. How many major leaguers have gone through Lakewood and not put up the numbers this kid did? Not to mention that others that were rated higher and some you mentioned like Brito struggled at the same level. Hall has always been under valued, yet by seasons end is team leader!! I think he will start in Reading this year, and by seasons end he will be around 30 homers and 100 RBI.

      1. Deron…I agree with you …..however, I believe Joe Jordan has said in a Jay Floyd podcast, he will like to see how he will do with Haseley hitting in front of him….and I assume that is in Clearwater

        1. Romus
          I would like to see Haseley hitting ahead of Hall too, but not in Clearwater. Move the duo to Reading. Holding either back to see how they work together is nuts. If the organization thinks either or both are ready to go to AA, then whoever is ready should move up.

          1. Phillies seem to have their own methodical way of elevating their prospects….rarely do they double jump guys, not to say they never do it.
            There may have been a few in the past….Cody Asche I think was one.
            But both of them, Hall and Haseley, I just do not see it happening right away.
            If they rake early….then June/July they get bumped up as they have done with many in the past.

  6. Hoskins was 4 months older, but because of how we determine what age a player is for the season it looks like a year

  7. No “prospect” is ever old for a level if you’re using the league’s average age. 21 going on 22 is old for Lakewood for a player with major league aspirations.

    1. Three year college guys vs foyur year college guys is the only relationship that should be measured when it comes to age appropriation to level.
      Hall, along with Hoskins, and Howard 16 years ago…would be considered ‘old for that level’ according to that criteria
      Hall was actually younger than both Hoskins and Howard….even if it is by months.

      1. Hoskins forced his way up a level and Howard was a late bloomer. And hey, just because a guy is old for a level doesn’t mean he can’t make it, but it should be taken into consideration and not discounted.

        1. Hall did miss three weeks in April due to the ankle injury…..so that could have slowed his progress down preventing him from progressing the way he did starting in May.

        2. Handzus,

          Remember the games Hall lost to injury; otherwise, he might have forced an earlier promotion.

          1. Hall had a good season. Very good power numbers at Lakewood – very good. Decent average and mediocre plate discipline. But he’s on the younger side and a growing player. I have an open mind about him, but he’s played quite well since being drafted.

            1. Catch22hman
              His plate discipline improved with runners on base and ticked up again when runners were in scoring position. When pitchers couldn’t pitch around him he got better. As he moves up the ladder and the hitters around him in the lineup improve, so should the quality of pitches he sees.

  8. Still a lot of big leaguers left! Consider the list of Reader Top 30 alums who are now contributing on big league rosters:

    Jonathan Villar (#27 in 2010)
    Cesar Hernandez (#20 in 2011, #20 in 2013)
    Freddy Galvis (#25 in 2011)
    Cameron Rupp (#29 in 2011, #23 in 2012, #26 in 2013)
    Aaron Altherr (#22 in 2012)
    JC Ramirez (#30 in 2012)
    Ken Giles (#24 in 2013)
    Adam Morgan (#20 in 2014)
    Tommy Joseph (#30 in 2015)
    Rhys Hoskins (#34 in 2015)
    Andrew Knapp (#20 in 2015)
    Ben Lively (#21 in 2016)
    Nick Pivetta (#22 in 2016)

    1. Honcho…and I think the only one to ever crack a BA 100 was Hoskins …last year at 88…then mid-season at 69..

  9. I have Hall at #27 and Fanti at #28 — both benefited from a solid 2017 statistical results which I assume is the basis for those who voted for them.

    Hoskins recent success cannot be used as basis for Hall’s projection. Hoskins plate discipline is visible in the eye and supported by the numbers and it improves every year. The same plate discipline is the difference between Hoskins as perennial all-star candidate and Hoskins as a RH power bat. Paul Goldy has a double digit BB% but never gathered any national affection.

    Unfortunately. Hall doesn’t have that plate discipline of Hoskins or Goldy so his risk is really high considering he is a high strike out hitter.

    1. KuKo….you do realize, when evaluating and grading first basemen by the national analysts…right handed batting first basemen are graded lower vs left handed hitting first basemen? That is just the way it is when they do their rankings.
      And higher drafted players will get more of the ‘benefit of the doubt’ for higher projection and ceiling, than lower drafted players…also a standard practice.

      1. @romus – i realize that. Hall as 1B probably don’t get additional points to me but i’m not downgrading Hall because he is RH. I think my ranking of #27 is already generous to be honest. The benefit of the doubt is subjective so I don’t consider that in my own evaluation.

        Hall’s prospect value is tied up to his bat — and i think this is something you will agree. And it is a reasonable to assume that the quality of pitching is better in the upper minors than the lower minors — so with what I saw in Hall (which i saw him a lot in LWD), he is not an advance hitter. His K% will always hoover in 25-27% and he is not a 0.300 hitter — 0.270 is probably a reasonable will eventually turn to about 0.265.

        As of now, Hall has a ToJo profile without the sweet quick swing that ToJo has. ToJo is a bench player. There are a lot of prospects available that’s better than a future bench player.

        1. KuKo…Hall hits left handed.
          And for entertainment purposes only, here’s what Hall (top) and Hoskins (bottom) did as college juniors…or their last year before their June draft.

          .298/.417/.615 with 30 BB/49 K in 218 AB…Hall
          .319/.428/.573 with 39 BB/31 K in 213 AB….Hoskins

          Hall gets the slight edge in power (plus raw), though the Hoskins of today would surely give that a run for its money. IMO Hoskins the edge as a hitter, but it’s really not that far apart. Approach is a win for Hoskins, but with the caveat that the move away from the mound could help Hall see some gains in this area.
          Lakewood did not see that for Hall however but the power was legit for sure.
          How it all translates for Hall in a year down the road in the upper minors will have to see. Conclusion…on balance, Hoskins edges Hall, but it’s close and he can be one of baseball’s next under-the-radar first base prospects.
          i can see him cracking the MLB.com top ten, at the bottom, for first basemen….if he rakes at Clearwater

          1. @romus – i stand corrected. Hall is LH. Nonetheless, i clearly mentioned that I don’t knock him down whether he is LH or RH. My reservation with Hall is his extreme risk of not being an advance hitter. If can cannot hit, then Hall’s raw power is of no value.

            I think Hall is way better than Kyle Martin but he might fizzle out like Cozens in AAA.

            1. KuKo…agree. He needs to cut back on the Ks and perhaps a tick up on the BBs.
              However the reason I am confident he can do that…is because he did it in 2014 and 2015 in college….BB% was higher than K%.
              But his ISO and SLG were really poor…hit everything down and hard.
              Then he changed and flattened his swing in his last year and the launch angle together with the top spin produced tremendous missile like lift and distance.
              Somehow he needs to blend the two approaches or liek yuo say….he may find himself in the same boat as Cozens..

  10. The farm has been deep since McPhail took over so it’s not a surprise for me to see some really good prospects (Morales, Brito, Howard, etc) that did not make the Top 20.

    Depth is a good thing but the issue is still the lack of “premium” talent. JPC started as the lone premium prospect then Moniak, Sixto and Hoskins joined in 2016 then Kingery in 2017. Although Moniak struggled in 2017 and got booted out.

    Alfaro, Quinn, Williams, Kilome are supposed to be premium talents but the extremely high risk factor prevents these prospects from jumping into the premium or elite level.

    In 2018, Jhailyn Ortiz, Adonis Medina and Francisco Morales has the tools to jump to the premium talent level – with Ortiz’s plate discipline and raw power, Medina’s command of his plus pitches and Morales’ helium and physical projection. Jhailyn and Medina made the Top 10 but Morales did not even made the Top 20.

    SSS is not a deterrent to Morales’ case. In fact even with SSS, the eye test supports the actual physical tools and projection of Morales. I remember the voters voted Jhailyn in (or close) the Top 20 without any at bats. Gowdy ranked really high despite pitching < 10 IP. Using 40.1 IP to down grade Morales is a lame reasoning.

    I still vote for Morales.

  11. Don’t remember seeing anyone saying Hall was old for his level. I noted that he was not young for his level and needs to progress on a normal trajectory to remain age appropriate.

    If he starts in Clearwater as expect in 2018, he will be age appropriate for that level.

    Went with Morales again at #21

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