Phuture Phillies 2016 Reader Top 30 #9

Franklyn Kilome garnered 56% of the vote as he was selected the #8 prospect in the organization.  He got 242 of 432 votes cast (56%).  Andrew Knapp finished second with 123 votes (28%).  Big drop off to 25 votes for third place Zach Eflin after that.  

Kilome was signed 5 months before his 18th birthday by the Phillies in January 2013.  He was an international free agent from the Dominican Republic.  He made his pro debut in 2014 in the GCL and pitched at low A Williamsport during 2015.

Kilome suffered a rib cage injury early in the season.  I’ve read the discussion in the comments section the past few days regarding Kilome, and most of the negative opinions focus on his stat line for the season without any consideration of his injury.  Others focus on his age/level (19/Low A) with no regard to the short term of his pro career (2 years).  So, rather than write about his accomplishments here are some stories and excerpts on Kilome by people who are in the business and have seen him pitch.

Chris King filed a report on FanGraphs.  Chris is an official scorer for the GCL.  He also covers ST and XST in the Clearwater area and travels to various showcases throughout the country.  He writes scouting reports for several online publications.

Mitch Rupert filed this story in August with the Sun Gazette.  Mitch is the Crosscutters beat writer.  This is just one story he filed.  I follow him in-game on Twitter.  Rupert and Ian Catherine of ESPN Radio Williamsport provided their observations on Kilome in an interview with Matt Winkelman.

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In an October article on pitchers in the NY-Penn League, Carl Triano of SB Nation wrote,

“The Crosscutters get another pitching prospect on the list and it is Franklyn KIlome, the seventh ranked prospect in the Phillies system. Kilome was one of the most impressive arms I saw this season. He threw three shutout innings in Hudson Valley with an above average fastball. He threw 93-95 mph consistently with average off-speed pitches. If Kilome, only 20 years old, continues to develop there is potential for a top of the rotation arm.”  Full disclosure compels me to add that the Hudson Valley game was Kilome’s first game back after his injury. This seems like an awfully favorable opinion based on 3 innings of work.

At Prospect 361, a prospect/fantasy site, a report was filed (by Rich Wilson, I think) that observed,

“At 6-foot-6 and 175 pounds, Franklyn Kilome has the type of physical projection that we write about all the time.  In a nutshell, add some weight, clean up the pitching mechanics and leverage the athleticism and see what happens.

The bet seems to be paying off for the Phillies as Kilome is transforming himself and the results are now showing up on the diamond.  In 11 starts in the New York Penn League, Kilome posted a 3.28 ERA, striking out 6.5 per nine while producing a 3 to 1 ground ball to fly ball ratio.

Scouting Report:  I had a chance to see Kilome this year and he lit up my radar with plenty of 96’s and 97’s (sitting 92 to 95 MPH).  It was a heavy, sinking fastball as well that batters could just not square.  They beat pitch after pitch into the ground.  His best secondary pitch is his 12 to 6 curve ball that looked really good.  He couldn’t always throw it for strikes, but the shape and deception was impressive.  His change-up needs work and he used the pitch sparingly.

Kilome has very simple and clean pitching mechanics.  He has a high three-quarters delivery that given his size is truly impressive to see.  If he could extend his stride, the added momentum would give his stuff even more life.  Given the difficulties that batters have in squaring his stuff already, he could become unhittable along the lines of Tyler Glasnow.

While he has yet to pitch in a full season league, there is a lot to like with Kilome.  The ceiling is a number two starter but he’s likely at least three years away from seeing Philadelphia.”

Josh Norris of Baseball America was in Clearwater when Kilome lit up the radar with a 97 MPH fastball before short season ball started.  I spoke with Norris that day without knowing who he was, and a few weeks later at a Threshers game.  He was impressed with Kilome.

Now, I’m not saying that you all should change your opinions of Kilome, or that he should be ranked higher.  Personally, you could probably pull 4 through 10 out of a hat and come up with a fairly reasonable order.  But, opinions based only on a stat line or based on an developmental level a prospect is supposed to have reached based on his age should consider all the information available.

So far the Top 30 looks like this:

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Nick Williams
  3. Jake Thompson
  4. Mark Appel
  5. “C” Randolph
  6. Roman Quinn
  7. Jorge Alfaro
  8. Franklyn Kilome

I have received a couple requests to add Jhailyn Ortiz, as well as requests for Severino Gonzalez, Reinier Roibal, Luis Encarnacion, Josh Tobias, Yacksel Rios, and Elvis Araujo. Requests also came in for Elvis Araujo and Jerad Eickhoff who are no longer rookie eligible.  Some of these guys I hadn’t considered adding until later.  A couple weren’t even going to make the poll.

Next week I’ll add Cord Sandberg, Aaron Brown, Jhailyn Ortiz, and Reinier Roibal.  These are a mix of Other votes, e-mail requests, and gut feeling.  The others will remain under consideration for addition around 15.

The e-mail addresses for your prospect lists and addition of a prospect to the poll are –

prospectpoll@yahoo.com using the Subject – My Prospect List

prospectpoll@yahoo.com using the Subject – Add Prospect

Next up is your selection for the #9 prospect in the organization.  #10 will be posted Monday morning.  Enjoy your weekend.

73 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2016 Reader Top 30 #9

  1. Knapp then Pinto, unless the discussion changes my mind. Also considering Eflin, Medina and Kingery. I think the latter is going to show up big time in 2016, with stats more in line with his pre-draft evaluations.

      1. I’ve seen Eflin pitch twice in Trenton. Both times were mirror images of eachother.

        Until Eflin develops a change up to combat lefties and some type of a curve or slider with more tilt he’s going to get crushed in the bigs.

        I too have Pinto ahead of Eflin. Pinto’s splits against lefties last season is actually lower than his righties splits which coincides with the scouting report that Pinto has advanced feel for his change up.

        I like Eflins chances to come up with something I mean everyone else has to see this same problem

        1. DMAR…based on what you said, and his preference for predominantly throwing a 2-seamer, then, do you see Eflin as Kyle Kendrick 2.0?

          1. I’ve seen Eflin pitch in person and frequently on milbtv – it does him an enormous injustice to compare his talents to Kendrick’s. He has a much better arm than Kendrick and better control than Kendrick. He has challenges ahead to overcome to be sure but he’s a potential solid mid rotation arm. And he’s very advanced for his age. And if he ever develops and out pitch – watch out.

            1. Perhaps……but take the time to comp their physical profile and metrics (P&M) at their AA level of competition, then let me know what you think?
              Incidentally, KK was a career .500 pitcher with a 5.5WAR, and just two seasons with negative WAR, he was a 5th and for a back of the rotation guy he was above average.
              Eflin’s arsenal and reliance on the 2seamer to pitch to contact, with great control and inducing off the barrel higher GB rates, indicates to me KK2.0

            2. IMO, Eflin’s 2015 season…. 25 GS……14 quality, 11 non-quality. BB-K%—9%, primarily driven by great control of 4%BB rate, whiff ration mediocre due to 2-seamer reliance. WHIP (1.2) and BABIP (.283) also influenced by very good BB rate. However FIP4, in context with above metrics, indicates what he prefers, pitching to contact with his 2Seamer and a mediocre H/9 of 9.3.
              If he incorporates the 4seamer, like you said, he can be more then KK.

          2. I agree with Catch I believe he ends up as something a little better than KK based on faith that he can come up with another pitch. He he can some how get some more depth and fade on the change-up he’s good to go.

            1. I hope he also can develop that ‘out-pitch.
              This season may be an optimal time to do it, especially vs AAA hitters. Whenever he had the occasion to use the 4seamer out west in the CAL he did say he would get his velo up to 95/96.

            2. He has big time easy velocity. I was at a Reading start where he SAT 94-95, routinely touching 96 and 97. He needs really good pitching instruction- he’s the type of guy who could make a few changes and suddenly take his game up several levels. I know the stats are pedestrian in some respects but the talent is there.

        2. DMAR – Eflin already has a solid CH which is rated even higher than his FB. A 3rd pitch needs to be developed like his SL but he already has a FB-CH combo with good control.

          I already posted in another thread that Eflin and Pinto’s overall stuff are probably the same level but Eflin’s physicallity and proximity gives him the slight edge over Pinto.

          1. You could be right Kurt but it the Change was that good it wasn’t having that effect on Lefties based on the splits…

            1. DMAR – i understand about the results, but i’m bullish on minor stats because sometimes it is just a result of development made by the team. so i give more credit to actual tools with the overall make up and baseball instinct as a wild card – a good example of this is Mark Appell. I still have him as #4 prospect despite of the stat line.

              since eflin is close to the big show, i will not be surprised if results are not where it should be especially if the phils will try eflin to throw more SL and 4-seamers.

              this can also be true with pinto (which i think has the same stuff as eflin with FB-CH combo). pinto can pitch into a sub 3.00 ERA easy in REA, but i will not be surprised to see him a lot of breaking balls in REA to improve a workable 3rd pitch.

      1. v,

        Me, too.

        Australia through 44 games and 188 plate appearances: 324 BA, 944 OPS, 15.4 percent strike out rate. On track to hit 25 HRs over 550 ABs.

        Okay, Australia is not as tough as some other winter leagues, but it’s still a step up in competition from what he’s faced before, I should think.

        I understand that right-handed hitting first basemen don’t get rated as high and that Hoskins will have to prove himself against higher level pitching. But I’ll take a guy who hits 324 with 944 OPS, regardless of position. And for career consistency to date and age and having a position to play, I put him ahead of Knapp.

    1. I went with Knapp too. But I also look at the list and Hoskins and Pinto look like the next 2 picks for me. Tocci, Efflin, and Medina (which I know little of) will get consideration as well.

  2. Knapp then Pinto here too. Those reports are the I heard too on Kilome another said the ball explodes out of his hand . Knapp here because switch hitting Catcher’s are rare . I like to see him do what he did last outside of Reading.

  3. I have Knapp, Eflin and then Pinto. So far the ratings have gone pretty much according to script. There’s nobody from outside my top 10 that’s taken a slot.

    1. DMAR,

      Love your posts and I’m learning a lot from you, so my questions: why Knapp, of course?

      He’s had one strong half-season at the plate in a hitter friendly league and a 405 BABIP. He didn’t tear ’em apart in the AFL, though, admittedly, a small sample. He needs work behind the plate.

      I understand his development held back by Tommy John surgery, but I’m also more Show Me on Knapp.

  4. This >> “But, opinions based only on a stat line or based on an developmental level a prospect is supposed to have reached based on his age should consider all the information available.”

  5. I saw Kingery make a play at Lakewood that was unbelievable. A soft hit chopper that the pitcher couldn’t get. He charged, jumped and contoured his body in air to throw a strike to first base to get a speedy hitter. Was simply awesome. A major league play.

    I think he is going to have a big big season.

    1. Scott Kingery is probably the hardest guy for me to slot. I’m having trouble figuring out his extreme BABiP swing, from College to pro. He had a .472 BAbip in the Pac-12 and won the batting title, then went out and had a .287 BAbip in the SAL in his 1st season a pro. Logic tells me that his BAbip should normalize and he will be close to a .300 hitter next year, over a full-season, but I’m a bit wary that his college BAbip may have made him look like a better prospect as an amateur. Really don’t know where to place him.

      1. Kingery has Plus to Plus-Plus speed. He also has some pop. That is the profile of a guy that will have a high BABIP.

        I think he will have a plus bat and steal a lot of bases, while playing very good defense. I am really, really high on him.

        1. My tendency on college guys is to take a wait and see approach. I have Kingery at 18 but I am super excited about this kid and fully expect that by June he moves 4-5 spots up that list.

          If make-up were a tool he grades at 80

        2. Exactly he made so much contact that his BaBip was high . I always take the half yr after the draft with college players a little light . Kingery started out in Lakewood 1 of the worst hitting ball parks and held his own . I think he’d do fine this yr but who knows.

  6. Knapp here. He could legitimately catch the first pitch of the 2017 season at CBP if he continues his development in LHV this year. Catchers with a legitimate hit tool are no laughing matter.

    I’m between Medina and Eflin for the next spot. Medina has the potential for three plus pitches by the accounts I’ve read, with the FB touching high 90s at times. If he continues to develop, he could carve out a home near the top of the rotation. Eflin has the sinker and changeup, but the lack of a third pitch and the low K numbers give me pause. I’m leaning toward Adonis based on upside.

  7. Personally I think Knapp deserves to be ranked higher than Alfaro. I agree that power is more important than the hit tool, but if the hit tool is well below average so much that it causes a 30% K rate, and signs of moderate power now showing up in Knapp’s bat, why is Alfaro the better prospect? Both of them need to put in work on defense. An arm doesn’t make a catcher. What am I missing?

  8. Knapp here, and then I think it is Hoskins’ turn. BTW, I have a feeling that Kingery is one of those players the Cards always seem to get that hit wherever they play, and turn into a solid Major Leaguer. I am looking for him to have a good year. Also, I read an article that Jim Salisbury did on Appel, and I don’t believe that being a good guy is a detriment. I will be rooting even harder for him

  9. After reading those reports on Kilome, I think we should have voted him higher =)

    Regarding this vote, it looks like Knapp is the runaway winner. After this vote, though it should get very interesting, with no clear favorites for the next 10 spots.

    I see people keep voting for Thomas Eshelman. Would love to hear their comments. I know nothing about him, really. And I’ve super curious.

    1. Fritz,
      It wasn’t my intention to suggest that Kilome should be ranked higher. I wanted to provide information beyond the stat line. Kilome still remains an extreme risk to reach the majors due to his age, level, and necessary improvement to reach his projection.

  10. The top 5 I agree with, Quinn and Alfaro being above Kilome I do not. I do feel Kilome has so much potential even being further away that he should be number 6. Unfortunately with Quinn and Alfaro being injured to me it dropped their value far enough.

  11. I went with Knapp here. I have him over Alfaro on my list.

    I think the next spot marks another tier on our list of about 9-10 guys. I don’t think we’ll see another poll like this one with one guy getting 70% of the vote for awhile.

  12. hoskins continues to rake in the australian baseball league, garnering his third player of the week honor in the first twelve weeks of the 14-week season. the pitching is a+ at best, but he is among the league leaders in all offensive categories despite missing five games, and his .300+/.500+/.900+ line across 3 leagues over the course of this year is remarkably consistent

    http://web.theabl.com.au/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160111&content_id=161646548&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_l595&sid=l595

    1. I’ve wondered what exactly is the purpose of sending a player to a league with such low level competition. Why not send him to a Caribbean League to face good players?

      1. I can think of a few benefits, but to me, the biggest benefit is just more at bats – it’s a long winter league season in Australia. By the time it’s over he’ll have played in about 50 games – roughly 2/5 of the full minor league season. And he’ll probably see a lot more breaking pitches than he did in A+ ball – since there are always older pitchers in these winter leagues. He should be brimming with confidence when he gets to Reading in April. He is going to rake in AA big time – trust me, people in the national baseball media will notice him this year.

  13. All I know is that if Kilome is the number 9 prospect here, that just shows how far the organization has come.

    And get outta here people who asked to add Severino, lol, this isnt a top 200 list

    1. I’ve heard the same sort of sentiments about Kendrick, Happ and Worley. Sev was the Phils minor league pitcher of the year in 2013. He was 3.6 years younger than average in AA and he got promoted to AAA where he was 4.9 years below average. He has a projected 3.90 ERA according to “Steamer” of Fangraphs. He has 4 about average pitches and plus control. He made it to the majors at 22. He may still improve as he matures, and that is the key to my considering him as high as #10. He is only 23 right now. MLB teams value starting pitchers who can pitch 160+ innings.

      1. The problem is that he doesn’t have four average pitches. He might have one or two, but neither is a fastball. His stuff is very fringy so his command needs to be perfect, which it often wasn’t last year.

        To beat the odds he’ll need to improve his command and maybe come up with a better breaking ball. So his upside is #5 starter and a realistic projection puts him as a Sean O’Sullivan type journeyman.

  14. 1 month until mass migration of Phils/Prospects to Clearwater…YAY!!!!!!!!!!

    Hey Jim will you start drriving by the complex to flag who is getting there early?

    1. Phantasy campers take over the Complex next week. My cousin is taking part, so I’ll be there everyday. With over a hundred guys in uniform, it’ll be tough spotting the prospects. (insert Eddie Murphy’s laugh)

  15. OT: BA believes Velasquez is the best player the Astros traded this past year, including Top 50 player, Brett Phillips.

    Matt H (Texas): How would you rank the prospects the Astros have traded away during the last year?
    J.J. Cooper: 1. Velasquez. 2. Phillips. 3. Hader. 4. Santana. 5. Appel. 6. Nottingham. 7. Houser. 8. Lee. 9. Mengden. 10. Arauz (the one they traded, which is a big drop from No. 9). Yes Velasquez and Santana are no longer eligible but that would be Top 10 that compares favorable with a whole lot of current Top 10s.

  16. Jim – great read on Kilome. Love the reports from others in the industry. Hoping to join you in Clearwater more regularly and say goodbye to the office forever. Unfortunately I just missed out on the Power Ball by four numbers, so it may not be this season (full time at least).

    How often do you expect to be at the complex during ST in February? Are you a daily presence?

    Re the poll – Cozens here, who is actually my number 8. Alfaro sits back at 10 and I could justify moving him back another spot or two. Eflin is my actually 9

    1. JP Crawford
    2. Nick Williams
    3. Jake Thompson
    4. Cornelius Randolph
    5. Mark Appel
    6. Franklyn Kilome
    7. Roman Quinn
    8. Dylan Cozens
    9. Zach Eflin

    1. Wow, you really love Cozens and I’m an Eflin fan but you have him ahead of both top catching prospects. Very interesting.

      1. I knew Cozens would be an outlier when compared to the masses. No worries, he was last year for me as well when I slotted him 7th. Knapp has so much to prove. I have him at 14 and I’m absolutely fine with that ranking

        1. I expected you would be fine with it, since it’s your very own ranking. By the way, I wasn’t criticizing your ranking, I just find Cozens to be one of those slighly polarizing prospects.

          1. I hear you. I didn’t feel slighted by your comment. For me, Cozens showed a lot of the same breakout factors that Altherr did last season. And to be honest, I read a lot of content on Phillies prospects and I do not recall anyone calling Altherr’s breakout earlier than I. I’ve also seen a lot of Cozens in person. He has a solid chance of developing into a first division regular. There are a ton of tools there and the power projection is legit. What many may not realize is that the FSL is an extreme run suppressing league. When I look at his production last year, my eyes widen

    2. I expect to be at the Complex every day. I’ve been cutting down on the number of Grapefruit League games each spring. I may have to reconsider this season with all the prospects attending as non-roster invitees.

      If you come to the Complex, say “Hi”. I don’t look anything like Larry Andersen. But I usually wear a wide-brimmed hat for protection from the sun (current edition is a beat up straw hat), carry a clipboard and back pack, and bring a red beach chair for viewing from behind the cage on Ashburn field.

  17. noticed this interesting blurb:

    After seeing him play at last week’s MLB showcase in Puerto Rico, ESPN’s Keith Law believes 17-year-old SS prospect Delvin Perez “might be the best player in this year’s draft class.”
    According to Law, Perez was the “star” of the showcase and “head and shoulders above everyone else.” On the scouting scale, Perez has 70-grade speed with plus power. While Law considers Perez “less polished” than former No. 1 pick Carlos Correa, Law acknowledges that Perez is faster and a better defensive player than Correa. The Correa comparison is easy to make because both players are from Puerto Rico, but Law thinks Perez actually has more in common with Justin Upton and Byron Buxton. Either way, Perez should be one of the first players off the board in this year’s MLB Draft.

    1. Saw that article this morning. I’m praying that one of the Bats raise their profile enough to get 1:1 consideration. Whether its Delvin Perez, Blake Rutherford, Joshua Lowe or Mike Moniak, I’m hoping a bat steps forward so the Phillies stay away from HS pitching.

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