Box Score Recap – 8/27/2015

The biggest news today will probably be C Jorge Alfaro made his first appearance since joining the Phillies organization as a key piece of the Colbert Hamels trade.  Alfaro hadn’t played since June 12th when he was lifted for a pinch runner and limped from the field. He was diagnosed with a “significant left ankle injury” and the Rangers were resigned to his being “out for some meaningful time”, possibly the rest of the season.

Last week I saw Alfaro take Stephen Inch yard during a simulated rehab inning.  The catcher with a massive upper body had been at the Carpenter Complex working out and was nearing a return to action.  Thursday, he made his return.  Alfaro started at catcher and played the position for three innings.  He gunned down the only batter to reach, while he was in the game ,on an attempted steal.

Alfaro came to bat three times and was hit by a pitched ball in his first two plate appearances.  He lined a single to right field in his third at bat and Jose Antequera was thrown out trying to score for the third out.  Alfaro left the game the next half inning.

GCL Phillies (35-23) beat the GCL Pirates 5-0.  Miguel Gonzalez threw four innings.  He faced Two batters over the minimum allowing a single, hit batter, and walk.  One base runner had been cut down stealing.  He struck out four.  He has been pretty dominant pitching in the Rookie League.  Based on how he has been used so far, his next appearance will be in 4-5 days, but at a higher level.

Lino Martinez, making his third rehab appearance, pitched two shutout innings for the win.  Edgar Garcia picked up his second save with three shutout innings.

The Phillies broke the scoreless deadlock in the fourth inning on Scott Tomassetti’s first professional home run, a three-run blast to left.  They added two runs in the seventh on “C” Randolph’s RBI triple and Luis Encarnacion’s sac fly.

  • Jorge Alfaro went 1-1 and was hit by two pitched balls.
  • “C” Randolph (.302) went 2-4 with a run scored, triple, walk, and RBI..
  • Lucas Williams (.279) went 2-4 with a run scored and HBP.
  • Scott Tomassetti (.262) went 2-5 with a run scored, HR (1), and 3 RBI.
  • Greg Pickett  (.179) went 1-3 with 2 walks.
  • Juan Luis (.256) went 2-3 with a run scored, triple, and HBP..
  • Luis stole his 12th base.  Randolph was caught stealing.
  • Tim Kennelly’s brother Sam is on the Pirates team.

Lehigh Valley (60-73) split two games with the SWB RailRiders, losing 5-0 and winning 6-1. Jesse Biddle got knocked around in the first game and giving up all five runs on ten hits in 4.2 innings.  The IronPigs picked up six hits in the seven inning game.

  • Kelly Dugan (.216) went 1-3 with a double.
  • Tommy Joseph (.172) went 1-3 with a double.

In the second game, Jason Berken tossed four shutout innings.  He gave way to Chris Leroux who gave up one run in three innings and was awarded the win.  The ‘Pigs scored in four of the seven innings.  Jordan Danks hit his fifth home run and had three RBIs.

  • Brian Bogusevic (.299) went 2-4 with a run scored and 2 RBI.
  • Kelly Dugan (.209) went 0-3 with 3 K.
  • Tommy Joseph (.177) went 1-2 with a run scored and RBI.

Reading (75-55) rallied with six late runs to beat the Bowie Baysox 8-3.  Ben Lively struck out five in five innings, but gave up all three runs on two home runs.  Jimmy Cordero threw a shutout inning.  Ethan Martin pitched three, one-hit innings and struck out three for his third win.

Brock Stassi opened the scoring with a two-run home run in the third inning.  Trailing 3-2 coming to bat in the seventh, Aaron Knapp drove home J.P. Crawford with a two-out, RBI double.  Stassi broke the tie with his second two-run home run.  The Phils added three more runs in the eighth on a bases loaded HBP of KC Serna and walk to Crawford.  Knapp added the final run with a sac fly.

  • J.P. Crawford (.265) went 2-2 with 2 runs scored, 2 doubles, 3 walks, and an RBI.
  • Andrew Knapp (.381) went 2-4 with a run scored, double, and 2 RBI.
  • Brock Stassi (.311) went 2-5 with 2 runs scored, 2 HR (14), and 4 RBI (88).

Clearwater (73-56) Pinto Night postponed due to rain.  Tonight would have been his first start since August 17th.

Lakewood (65-62)  lost to the Hagerstown Suns 3-1.  Shane Watson gave up all three runs (2ER) on four hits and four walks.  Calvin Rayburn and Scott Harris pitched two shutout innings apiece.  The BlueClaws had seven hits.  Herlis Rodriguez, Damek Tomscha, and Jiandido Tromp had two hits each.

  • Damek Tomscha went 2-3 with a run scored and double.
  • Kyle Martin went 1-3 with an RBI.

Williamsport (42-23) lost to the Batavia Muckdogs 3-2 in 12 innings.  Franklyn Kilome gave up two runs in six innings on six hits and two walks.  He struck out five on 90 pitches/57 strikes.  Kenny Koplove and Andrew Godail combined for three, one-hit innings.  Skylar Hunter went 2.1 innings before allowing the winning run.  The Cutters managed seven hits and three walks in 12 innings and struck out 14 times.  Mark Laird had their only RBI.

  • Mark Laird went 2-5 with a walk and RBI.
  • Luis Espiritu went 3-5 with a run scored.
  • Venn Biter and Jan Hernandez struck out 3 times each.
  • Espiritu and Carlos Duran twice each.
  • Among starters, only Laird avoided a K.

DSL Phillies (40-32) Season completed.  Finished tied for second place, three games back.

  • AVG – Henry Santana .278
  • OBP – Daniel Brito .421
  • SLG – Santana .411
  • OPS – Brito .728, Santana .725
  • Edgar Gacia – 71 G, 255 AB, 47 R, 68 H, 14 doubles, 4 triples, 24 SB
  • Nerluis Martinez – 5 HR
  • RBI – Garcia and Ronaldo Marrero 28, Maftinez 27, Santana 26
  • Brito 35 K, 22 BB

VSL Phillies (30-40) Season completed.  Finished tied for third in a four team league.

  • Their leading hitter was Enger Jimenez – .307, 36 R, 33 RBI, 15 SB.
  • Jimenez was second on the team with three HR.
  • Lenin Rodriguez led the team with four HR.
  • Sergio Velis (4-2, 1.33) was their best pitcher – 74.2 IP, 50 H, 14 BB, 59 K, 0.86 WHIP.

Here’s the affiliated scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • Reading Fightin Phils sent C Jorge Alfaro on a rehab assignment to GCL Phillies.
  • Reading Fightin Phils activated RHP Ben Lively from the 7-day disabled list.
  • Clearwater Threshers placed LHP Harold Guerrero on the temporarily inactive list.
  • Clearwater Threshers activated RHP Jesen Dygestile-Therrien from the temporarily inactive list.
  • IF Andrew Amaro assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • Lakewood BlueClaws placed LF Chase Harris on the 7-day disabled list.

102 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/27/2015

  1. I hate to say it, but is it time to write-off Biddle? I’m not sure he would even make our top 30 right now. I was never as high on him as some people on this board, but he’s failed any expectations. Yeah, I know he’s working on some new pitches, but, still, the results haven’t been promising in any direction.

    I was higher than most on Lively, and he’s been another disappointment. A big drop-off from his production last year. He’s really regressed. Still, not a bad “lottery ticket” return in the Byrd trade, but he’s probably barely hanging-on in our top 30.

    1. I’m with you on Biddle. Lively.. not so much. I’ve seen Lively and although his fastball wasn’t that good, it was effective. He got the outs he needed. He seems to be giving up a lot of HRs this year. I always thought Hamels gave up a lot of HRs but kept the Phils in the game. That’s Lively’s ability also. We all know the Phils like to work with their pitchers to improve certain pitches. I think Lively is a guy they’re doing that with. Hopefully it makes him a better pitcher. This is only his 3rd year pitching in the pros and now’s the time to work on things.

    2. I’m a bit less pessimistic than you. If these guys were hitters I would agree that we should probably move on. But they’re pitchers, and weird things happen with pitchers.

      First, on Biddle. Agreed he’s frustrating and agree that his future is cloudy and he has dropped down in the rankings. But we are told he is working on specific pitches designed to make him a 4 pitch pitcher. I’m not writing him off – not yet anyway, but the jury is clearly out on him. But if he doesn’t improve his command and consistency, he’s just not going to make it. Don’t be surprised if Biddle bounces around for a little while and emerges as a decent pitcher on another team in about 3 years – stranger things have happened.

      On Lively, his stuff is pretty good and he’s learning how to keep the ball in the park. But he’s a victim of the favorable offensive environment in the Eastern League just as many of our hitters (i.e., Brock Stassi, Andrew Knapp) are beneficiaries of that envirnoment. A lot of very good pitchers (major league pitchers) have scuffled a bit in the Eastern League and then excelled in AAA and the majors. Last night was a perfect example of how his stats are significantly affected by the EL and the Reading park. Lively actually pitched a really nice game but gave up a few untimely home runs. If one of those balls gets caught on the warning track, you are looking at a completely different outing. Lively is a mid-back rotation guy if things go right. If he’s healthy he will have a very good year next year and could easily end next year in the major league rotation, assuming the rotation is not already filled with ourother young starters.

      By the way, with each start I am liking Jared Eichkoff more and more. He has a good arm, a nice slider, a knee-buckling curve (which he is using sparingly right now – as he should), a rising fastball (a HUGE plus), and he just hangs in there, doesn’t get rattled and works to get outs. He could easily end up being a solid middle innings guy – basically the guy we wanted Joe Blanton to become. That’s a hell of an upside for a guy who was basically a throw-in in a trade for higher ranked prospects. Great job by the Phillies scouting staff to make sure he was included in this deal.

      1. They’re working on five pitches with Biddle. A two-seam fastball, a four-seam fastball, a slider, changeup and curveball.

        1. Thank you – that’s helpful. But none of those pitches will be worth a damn if he can’t command at least one fastball and one breaking pitch. Philippe Aumont has 3 or 4 ridiculously good pitches, but he couldn’t command any of them, so he’s really nowhere.

          I will tell you this, his curve, when he can even control it, is a fantastic pitch and I’m not a big curveball fan (because I think it’s a pitch that most advanced major league hitters don’t swing at and miss – unlike a slider, change or even a cutter).

          1. Biddle…why work on five different pitches when control is his problem? Why not concentrate on his three best pitches? Then add others , if he gets some control.
            Can understand 2 and 4S.FBs, and CU, but remember Joe Kerrigan said a few years ago, master one or the either, not both, choose between and slider or curve-ball.

            1. It’s a good point. I think the feeling was that while the curve is a killer pitch he just can’t be consistent with it, so they are working on breaking pitches he can command. As for multiple fastballs, I think that’s also a good idea as his 4 seam fb is pretty easy to hit when you know it’s coming. I agree that this approach with him is a little risky but if your existing stuff is not good enough or can’t be managed, well, these are the types of risks a team takes with a player, but, sure, it could easily all backfire.

            2. They’ve been working on control with him for so long that it’s not a bad idea to try a different tact. When you shift focus to something else for some time in sports or other arenas, sometimes you come back to the old weakness and it’s improved.

    3. Left Handers that throw in the 90’s and have a major league change-up always have a chance. Off the top of my head, Biddle is still around #20 in the rankings.

      1. He’s got a major league curveball as well, and a developing plus slider. He is ranked 20th, with Imhoff being ranked 19th.

        1. I know that MLB still has him in the top 20, but I was thinking about my own top 20. Biddle shouldn’t be behind Windle. Windle is nothing but a future LOOGY and has no chance to be a ML starter. And as horrible as Biddle has been, I don’t know that Pivetta and Lively have been that much better. Tirado walks as many guys as Biddle, just in shorter stints.

            1. No, if Biddle doesn’t snap out of whatever is wrong with him mentally, he won’t be a major league pitcher at all (reliever or starter). But Biddle has a starter profile, because he has 4/pitches. Guys like Windle, with only two pitches, no change-up and control issues, profile as no more than relievers. Biddle is ahead of him and Imhoff, though Imhoff has a little time to find a change-up.

    4. fritzerland….Jay Floyd interviewed the recently activated Lively, here is what he said in part:
      “We’ve been working on a lot of stuff this year. I kind of got in a little funk and that got me down, and that’s what kind of got me up and down and I haven’t been consistent. But, this past outing we were watching stuff from last year, kind of nit picked little stuff we needed to work on and it’s been working out. I feel like everything just snapped in and I’ve been working in my bullpens and everything’s been feeling great and hopefully, it turns on the rest of the way”.

    5. I’d probably have Lively and Biddle close to each other, around #20 in the system. I never really got the excitement on Lively. Pretty average stuff, #4 starter with good luck but more realistically a #5. A flyball pitcher without real swing-and-miss stuff isn’t the best profile to have.

    6. Yup. I’d MAYBE consider giving him a shot in the bullpen, but I honestly don’t think that’d fix anything. At the very least, it’s obvious that he doesn’t have what it takes to be a starter.

      Jim: It was the Railriders, not the Buffalo Bisons.

  2. Cornelius Randolph has the #1 wOBA and RC+ in the GCL. JP Crawford, at age 20, is creeping up near the top 10 in the Eastern League, in both categories.

    1. I looked up jp Crawford numbers some bother me. I know he is young, but his average with runners in scoring postion aren’t good. He is not hitting lefthand pitching, so before we anoint him as the next hof. we should see how he improves next year.

      1. rocco…isn’t he the youngest in that league…or one of the youngest. He could still start there next season, and still be one of the youngest. IMO, he will get better once he see more AA lefties…same with Nick Williams.
        Relax….go out and walk around this morning’s Chip Kelly’s camp, unless they already flew out to Wisky.

        1. Nice. I was expecting someone to explain that it doesn’t matter how he’s doing with RISP. Even better that he’s actually killing it with RISP.

          1. It doesn’t matter what he’s doing with RISP. You’re talking about less than 75 at-bats. People really need to look at things in context.

        2. 6 15 1 1 0 2 6 0 6 5 2 .268 .339 .321 .660
          Runners at 1st & 2nd REA – 18 8 3 0 1 0 4 2 0 6 0 0 .167 .250 .278 .528
          Runners at 1st & 3rd REA – 6 6 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 .167 .286 .167 .452
          Runner at 2nd REA – 21 4 7 1 1 0 3 5 0 4 0 0 .333 .481 .476 .958
          Runners at 2nd & 3rd REA – 4 1 1 0 0 0 3 2 1 1 0 0 .250
          sorry dave these were the stats I saw. should have look farther down.

      2. He’s 20 in AA he still has things to work on he’ll get better . He’s about were Franco was before Charlie sat him down. Nobody I hope nobody has called him a HOF
        Yet.

  3. nick williams sat last night after getting banged up the night before- anyone seen any info on him?

    reading gets a righty from West Chester U tonight than 3 more lefties in a row to challenge them, with Steve Matz apparently on a rehab on Monday.
    noticed Bowie’s Sunday starter, Ariel Miranda, had nice numbers and looked him up. He’s 26, from Cuba, and Baltimore just signed him in May for under 800k with no international repurcussions due to his age- a lefty who throws in the 90’s and could be in the ML mix next season- not that Phils could use someone like that. Saw this fangraphs blurb on fringe prospects that hi-lites him and also mentions Knapp and Astudillo.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-57/

      1. v1…what grade? Reading has less then a dozen games left…then the playoffs….he could return if it is not too severe.

          1. Thanks.
            He did walk off smiling the other day after the collision, not sure that is a good sign or not these days when concussion evaluations and prognosis’ are done.

        1. Yeah, but the most important thing is that he gets back to 100 percent and passes all the protocols and sits out until he is absolutely ready. I’m not a doctor but as I’ve said before my daughter suffered multiple concussions as a hockey player and each concussion progressively increases the risk to the player (with longer waiting periods each time a concussion occurs) and the biggest risk is coming back too soon. The good news is that with his position, if it’s handled correctly, this is not likely to be a lingering problem.

  4. JimP…..re: Alfaro….’the catcher with a massive upper body’.
    Is it muscle, ie large tri’s and bi’s with slim waist, or added weight?

  5. I don’t get it, don’t Stassi and Knapp know that what they are doing is UNSUSTAINABLE???

    JPC, wow!! C and JPC are really getting in a groove right now….

    1. I like Stassi but he’s going to have a hard time ever sniffing the big leagues. Even if he does well in AAA, his ceiling is something like Rico Brogna, and that’s if everything goes right. More likely he just doesn’t have the power or high OPS to stay at first. But I’m rooting for him because he truly does have a great swing – he’s not entirely a AA mirage as so many are.

      Yes, Knapp’s stats are unsustainable at this level – but his future is now very bright. He’s exceeding expectations because the hit tool has come in at the highest expected level and the power is more than anyone ever expected.

      1. Rico Brogna is way above Stassi’s ceiling, based on how he has performed. Brogna was hitting in AA at 21. Stassi is 26 in AA. Rico Brogna was already a solid major league regular by the time he was 26. Rys Hoskins is closer to a Rico Brogna level player than Stassi.

        1. LOL – I was trying to explain how low Stassi’s ceiling is, not saying he was going to be a good major league player. Let me affirmatively state now, for the record, that the likelihood that Brock Stassi stays on a major league roster for a long period of time is exceedingly low.

  6. Alfaro with two HBP in his first two ABs in the organization! Does this make him … a scrappy gamer? 🙂

    1. That’s gotta suck, coming off a long stint on the DL and HBP in your first two ABs, I’d have some choice words for the opposing pitcher walking to first… The pitcher hit I believe 5 batters …

  7. Can Knapp be like a D’Arnaud? He was highly regarded as a hitter, with not such a great Defensive rep, but made himself into a good Catcher. His problem is staying healthy, but boy, can he hit the ball. You see Knapp and say the same thing, he can hit the ball.

    1. d’Arnaud was always seen as an above average to plus defensive prospect but his bat was more of a question in pro-ball. He really broke out offensively in AA, even though he was pretty good before that too.

      1. It’s just amazing how much value the Blue Jays gave up in the trade. The Mets have engineered some of the best trade heists of the last 5 years with d’Arnaud, Syndegaard, and Wheeler. Cespedes could end up being the lynchpin. Yup, they are going to be good for a while and I’m so happy to see the Nationals crash and burn.

        1. Cepedes can’t be signed by the Mets until May 2016 so he is a true rental and they paid a high cost in sending Michael Fulmer to Detroit. The Mets will have some hitting issues next year.

          1. philabaltfan….from what they said last night on-air, he can be signed by the Mets but must be before the last game of the WS…I guess somewhere around last week of October. The Mets have approx. 8 weeks to negotiate a new contract with him.
            If he doesn’t sign, then Mets have to wait, like you say, until May 2016.

            1. Thanks for the update as the Mets can sign him for next year but it is probably very doubtful given the Mets ownership reluctance to spend money.

  8. Is almost time to replace Harang and Williams in the September rotation with Asher and Biddle? Almost every time they go out they are live batting practice for the opposition.

    1. I believe, Asher needs to be put on the 40 before Sept 1st, for him to eligible for a call-up.
      They could call up Nefi Ogando or Hinosa (sp) as reliever types now that Elvis has left the building for awhile.
      I would have thought Biddle had a chance for a call-up if yesterday he performed well…but doubt it now, then again they promoted him from reading to LHV , they could also call him up.

      1. At this point, any reliever on the 40 man is coming up. The Mets just torched our bullpen.

        I think if the Phillies are serious about having a 6 man rotation, Asher is going to be the guy. SOS is not on the 40 man, Buchanan blew his multiple chances, and Seve doesn’t have enough stuff.

    2. I have to agree to a certain extent. I do want the #1 pick but it’s hard to watch those guys pitch. They really have noting left and it’s likely that this will be their last season in the majors. Hard to imagine anybody wanting to give these guys another shot in the rotation.

      1. buchanan and seve wouldnt be better but at least it would give the impression that you are giving younger guys a chance instead of putting out guys who obviously have nothing left and wont be here next year.

        1. I agree, but you don’t want the young guys (Buchanan and Seve) to get beatings every time out. They will eventually lose confidence in their stuff.

          1. I think their confidence has already suffered a blow after past performances this summer. But if you asked them, I am sure they would want to try to redeem themselves and get some confidence back.

  9. I have a controversial view on Command. I think you are either born with the Command gene or not. My guess was that Aaron Nola had great command as a 7 year old. I think you can make adjustments to move from a 40 grade to a 45 grade. Maybe a 50 grade. But never go from a 40 to a 60 (ie plus) grade command. The rare exception is the Randy Johnson type who is so big that it takes time to adjust. But for most pitchers, you either got Command early or it will be a struggle your entire career.

    Fire away…

    1. I think to a great extent, you are correct. It’s certainly what Almarez thinks – he expressly said this in interviews following the draft. The real question is how frequent are the exceptions and can you “fix” mechanical issue that results in the pitcher improving command.

      And I think you are probably right about guys like Nola or Greg Maddux or Tommy Glavine or Warren Spahn – I bet they almost always were able to command pitches the way they wanted. In a way, command to me is like shooting a basketball. Some guys can work on it and get good, but you can either shoot like Steph Curry or you can’t and those who can were generally always good at it.

      1. Every time I think about working hard to improve a weakness over which one has little control (no pun intended), I always think about the great quote I read from a “Jack Handy” calendar I got in the 90s which said “If you think that you can work hard to a weakness into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that’s another weakness.” Literally one of the funniest things I have ever read.

    2. It depends on why command/control has been not so good. Many a pitcher who has been diagnosed as trying too hard to throw hard has experienced a marked increase in control/command by backing off a tad on FB velocity. For a minor leaguer perfecting his secondary pitches, getting a consistent break, so that the ball consistently ends up where intended would seem to be something which can be worked upon and where I would expect improvement as mastery of the secondary pitches is achieved. With those caveats, I agree that command is a unique skill with the level of that skill limiting how much improvement is possible through instruction and practice. In that sense it’s like the hit skill, where instruction/experience can afford some increased recognition of breaking pitches for some hitters, but the level of the inherent skill is key. The Phillies scouts seem to be putting more emphasis on the hit tool, which is all to the good. I hope that the Nola experience will cause them to place more emphasis upon the command skill. Since command is a less sexy skill than FB velocity or a very sharply breaking breaking ball, I think there likely are bargains to be had in the draft by emphasizing command..

      1. I disagree. As important as command is, very, very few pitchers have good enough command to make up for middling velocity. Nola is the exception that proves the rule. When you throw in the mid to high 90s, quite frankly your command does not have to be as good for you to be effective, the same is true if you have a true “out” pitch. For a pitcher with great “stuff” (think Kenny Giles), you just need decent control, not great command. Otherwise, chances are you are going to get hit around a bunch.

    3. I have a similarly contentious view that, if you get a guy at the age of 7 to consistently nail a tin can on a fence post with a rock at 20 yards, that kid will grow up with major league command, even if he can’t hit 65 on a speed gun.

      Or, if you like, that a pitcher successfully throwing in darkness from the mound to a protected flashlight mounted at knee height will have no trouble hitting his spots in daylight or under stadium lights.

    4. Couldn’t agree with you more. Read a nice piece in the Daily news about GC Alexander yesterday. There were some comments about his control from a reporter who covered him, I forget who, but he said “he could throw a ball into a tin can”. I would think that his control was always a big part of his arsenal before reaching the big leagues. I also agree with your Nola example. I haven’t coached above HS, but I have seen enough kids who could always throw a strike when needed, and throw it where they wanted and others who struggled with control no matter how much tinkering was done with their mechanics. Obviously stuff comes into play, but that wasn’t your main point. I believe it can be refined to become serviceable, but not elite. Tug McGraw always come to mind when I think about guys with control. He walked guys, but I swear he was always looking into the on deck circle to see who was coming up and if he had a better chance of getting him out than the guy in the box. He was a guy I never worried about with walks, because he would always follow it up a walk with 4-5 darts to the next hitter. Sorry about the rambling…great point v1!

    5. v1…….Koufax and Randy Johnson must have been born with it….lost it in the minors, then regained it in the majors after a few years.

      1. You need to stop using the extremely rare example of hall of fame players to prove your points. There is no guaranteed 100% rule to anything. The point is not that it can never ever happen. Just that it is very very rare.

        1. My point……players may not always be born with great command…it is developed…whetherr it be at 5/6-years old with their dads in their backyards, or later in their development phase in Little Legaue or HS.
          I am sure you heard of muscle-memory?
          It starts in childhood.

          1. I believe when a pitcher has a easy repeatable delivery , when there release pt is always the same.the control is usually very high G Maddox had that delivery .Nola being double jointed it may be help him with the delivery. The more Athletic the pitcher the easier the delivery. Tom Windle when he was a starter had that probelm . He had trouble repeating his delivery as a reliever your asked to do it for a shorter period of time. Amonte same thing get stuff powerful man couldn’t find a reliable delivery. Groome this yrs teenage pitcher is said to have an easy repeatable delivery.he could go number 1 overall. Kilome also has a easy delivery he’s the Phillies lottery ticket.

    6. I agree to a point but with the biggest caveat being fixing a mechanical flaw that is causing the command issue. Randy Johnson is a good example of a pitcher who’s improved mechanics led to better command. Of course, his stuff was so good that once he improved the command, he became a HOF pitcher. I do think you can tinker around the edges but that’s about it.

      The question with guys like Biddle is if his overall “stuff” is good enough to play with improved command vs. a Nola who needs above average command to be successful.

      To me, Biddle’s issues at this point are more control than command. He walks too many hitters and is behind in too many counts. He doesn’t seem to get hit around as much as he dig holes that he sometimes doesn’t escape from.

  10. viagain,You’re referring to Biddle,aren’t you? I’m agree with you on Biddle,I Want him to succeed as much as anyone,but almost everytime after another one his poor starts,there’s excuses on here.

    Hmm,so now he’s working on how many different pitches? And really call him up in September?

    If he wasn’t a high draft pick,we would’ve moved on long ago,just because he can throw in the low nineties,doesn’t guarantee success at any level.

    1. Biddle has a 6.25 ERA and 1.88 WHIP in AAA. If the Phils call him up in September, the only message it sends is that they WANT the first overall pick.

  11. Also, this nugget from the BA. The list is of pitchers who have turned it around in the second half:

    9. Alec Asher, rhp, Phillies

    Asher joined the Phillies organization on July 31 as one of the six players the Rangers traded to acquire Cole Hamels. He locates a low-90s fastball all around the strike zone but lacks plane on the pitch or an outstanding secondary offering, which makes him reliant on pinpoint control—which he has shown in the second half at Triple-A stops in Round Rock and Lehigh Valley. Susceptibility to the long ball—he has allowed 22 home runs in 24 starts—limits Asher’s upside and inflates his FIP reading to unsafe levels.

    IP BB/9 SO/9 HR FIP
    First Half 78 3.46 7.85 12 4.61
    Second Half 56 1.62 6.63 10 4.60

  12. would someone be kind enough to post the BA writeup on JP and Pujols? Can’t get on there at work. Thanks!

  13. Didn’t Biddle get drafted with what was supposed to be a very good Curve? It seems that instead of mastering what he had, the team has continuously had him working on different pitches to the point where he no longer has a single plus pitch. I have heard about his improving Change, but no longer about a plus Curve. I am no development expert, but the player and the team seem to have missed the boat here.

    1. Reports out of HS were loopy fringe average curve and above average slider. Lots of scouts liked the slider more then, and all of them do now. Fans loved the curve because it was a rainbow, but it was never really that carrying of a pitch

      1. I disagree. The problem with the curve was not that it was a rainbow it was that he could not command it properly. When he was hitting his spots, the curve was a devastating pitch. It was still a curve (meaning it wasn’t a carrying pitch – few curves are), but it is a 70 pitch when he hits his spots. I saw at least 2 starts where nobody did anything but swing and miss or tip it – it’s a great pitch, but if he can’t throw it over, it’s not very useful.

        1. Very few pitchers throw a 70 curve, and Biddle’s has never been a 70 pitch. It’s a lesser version of Hamel’s get-me-over Curve, that he uses to surprise hitters.

          1. Yeah, I completely disagree – I’ve seen it live on many occasions and on TV when it’s on – when he has it going and he hits his spots, hitters have essentially no chance; they just flail away. Hamels and Lee had very good ones – Biddle’s was substantially better. But Biddle doesn’t have the fastballs that Hamels has and Lee had, nor do they have the command those guys have nor the other secondary pitches. And Biddle does not have consistent command of the curve, and when he doesn’t, hitters just wait it out or foul it off waiting for something better.

            1. Now, what I DO agree with is that when he doesn’t command the pitch, it’s not a 70 pitch and that much is certainly true. If you have a good pitch that you cannot command or control then it can’t be a 70 pitch on those days. What is more accurate to say is that it’s a devastating pitch that flashes plus to plus plus, but his command and even control of the pitch is inconsistent.

            2. Biddle CB by scout reports:
              HS: 2010
              Of all his pitches, the curve needs the most work. The velocity is around 70 mph and again, there isn’t enough of a sharp movement to make the pitch truly effective and hitters at higher levels will eat it alive. Keep in mind though, that he’s a high school kid and it’s not uncommon for the curve to be the latest bloomer in a pitcher’s repertoire. This season, Biddle added a slider to his weapons and the pitch is still a work-in-progress, but he’s shown some promise with the pitch and will likely keep throwing it in the pro ranks.
              2014:
              Pitcher shows more confidence in CB than FB; long break; can show a tight rotation and depth, but not hard to track out of hand; some feel for throwing pitch for a strike; better at 73 mph with slightly less length to the break and more hard vertical action; CB at 75 was elevated and flat; hit out of the ballpark for opposite field blast; has the look of a better MiLB pitch than a ML pitch; lacks the FB command to get bats moving on it; will not be a consistent out pitch against better hitters; more of a steal a strike pitch at highest level.

            3. People keep showing me scouting reports as if I should necessarily agree with those reports. I don’t.

            4. It’s very possible that those folks saw Jesse on a game when his curve was not on, but when it’s on and when he locates it, it’s a killer pitch and not just some loopy pitch minor leaguers swing at because they aren’t very good.

              You don’t strike out 16 batters in AA if you don’t execute some brilliant pitches. Here’s Biddle when the curve is unhittable. The problem, again, is that he’s not consistent with that pitch or with his FB (and the FB velocity varies too).

            5. It must be tough for Biddle to see Nola, Eickoff, and Asher get called up and he get’s left behind. But he even admitted in an recent article, that he needs to be more consistent, and throw more strikes. Consistency is what he’s working on the most, and he said in the article that consistency is what’s been haunting him his whole career.

    1. Yep, starting for the big club on Sunday

      — Dylan dozens gets called up to reading to replace Nick Williams
      That’s some lumber with Knapp and stassi and dozens..

      1. With Asher’s start on Sunday, Phillies will set or tie the record for rookie pitchers starting for their club in a season.

  14. Hey Jim do you know the reason why Pinto was pulled after 5 ing he was doing well. Maybe watching his ings pitch.

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