Open Discussion: Week of January 26th

Starting Pitcher Edition

I wrote this up early in the week as a lead into this week’s open discussion. Sure enough, another site posted a similar story. Oh well, here’s the list of the starting pitchers in the organization and the highest level attained in the minors during the 2014 season (except for Garcia and Pinto, whose games at Williamsport and Lakewood respectively are too small a sample). There are certainly more pitchers than there are starting spots.  But that’s a good thing.  They are listed with my best guess for opening day. What’s yours? Have at it.

Phillies – Cliff Lee has thrown off a mound for three times without any problems. Knowing Lee, I think it’s better than even money that he is in the rotation on opening day. I anticipate that they’ll take 4 starters north and bring up #5 after a couple weeks.  Even though MAG is going to be competing for a rotation spot, I would guess he makes the team in some capacity.  I’ll project him as a reliever behind Hamels, Lee, Harang, Williams, and Buchanan.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • Hamels        MLB     9    9    2.46    30   204.2  176   60   56    14      8    59  198    1.15     1.22
  • Lee                MLB     4    5    3.65    13      81.1  100   40   33      7      1    12    72     1.38     1.29
  • Harang        MLB   12  12   3.57    33   204.1   215   88   81    15     1    71   161    1.40     0.79
  • Williams      MLB     4    2    2.83      9      57.1     48   20   18      5      3    17    38     1.13     1.21
  • Buchanan   MLB     6    8    3.75   20   117.2   120   55   49    12     8    32     71     1.29     1.41

Lehigh Valley – It is not unlikely that MAG begins the season as a starter in Lehigh Valley and gets a call-up early in the spring.  I’m assuming Pettibone has recovered from the shoulder strain that sidelined him in April (he was finally put on the DL in May). Unless he has a real strong spring, I’m thinking P.J. Walters becomes a victim of our new-found pitching depth and gets traded/released or becomes a bullpen candidate.  Rotation could be – O’Sullivan, Pettibone, Loewen, Rodriguez, and S.Gonzalez.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • OSullivan   AAA     6   10   4.30    25   148.2  154   82   71    17     3     50   94     1.37      0.79
  • Pettibone    AAA     2     0   3.42       5     26.1    22   11   10      0      0       6    13     1.06      0.67
  • Loewen         AA       4     5   3.31    17   103.1    84   45   38      7      6     53    75     1.33     1.34
  • Rodriguez    AA       6    11  4.84    21   134.0  151   80   72   10      1     43    73     1.45     1.68
  • Walters        AAA      1     4   7.97      8      40.2    52   40   36      8      3     19    34     1.75     0.91
  • S.Gonzalez   AA      9   13   4.59    27   158.2  169   89   81    23     9     34   115    1.28     0.68

Reading – Once again, pitching depth might push one or more former starters to the bullpen, in this case Hoby Milner. Two of Nunez, Windle, Kleven, and Eflin will round out the rotation. Sooooo, maybe Nunez begins his bullpen career and Windle starts in Clearwater.  And the rotation could look like – Biddle, Nola, Lively, Eflin, and Kleven.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • Biddle            AA      3   10   5.03    16     82.1     78   59   46    11     5    44    80    1.48      0.92
  • Nola               AA       2    0    2.63      5      24.0     25    7      7       4     0      5     15    1.25     1.41
  • Lively             AA      3     6    3.88    13     72.0     60   32   31      7     4    36    76     1.33     0.59
  • Milner            AA    10    6    4.21     25   143.1  146   72   67    25    1    56    86     1.41     0.61
  • Nunez            A+      6     7    4.49    20    122.1  125   65   61     8     4    44    95     1.38     0.71
  • Kleven           A+      6    10   4.83    24    136.0  155   82   73   13   11   33  107    1.38     1.41
  • Eflin                A+    10    7     3.80    24    128.0  138   56   54     9     4    31    93    1.32     1.67

Clearwater – You could certainly swap Windle and Kleven.  Or Windle and Eflin.  But even if Kleven returns to Clearwater in the rotation or in the bullpen, it will still be an interesting rotation to watch.  The rotation could be the odd man out among Kleven/Eflin/Windle, Arano, Leiter, Imhof, and Mecias.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • Arano              A        4    7    4.08     15     86.0    88   42   39     11     0    20    83     1.26     1.02
  • Leiter              A+      4    5    4.31     11     64.2    69   34   31      5       4   15    56     1.30     0.87
  • Imhof              A        0    2    4.28       7      27.1    32   14   13      3      1     6      27    1.39     0.61
  • Mecias            A        3    3    3.21       7      33.2    29    12   12      2      2     9     23     1.13     1.15
  • Windle            A+    12   8    4.26     25   139.1  147   82   66     14     6   44   111    1.37     1.61

Lakewood – Maybe if Kleven goes to the bullpen, Casmiro moves up to Clearwater. maybe his high walk rate sends him to the pen.  Viza was a little young for Lakewood last year, so I think he starts there this year now that he’s a little more age appropriate.  So, let’s say the rotation starts off with five from among Anderson, Rios, Viza, Leibrandt, Pinto, and Whitehead.  Oliver to the bullpen. Ditto Arteaga.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • Anderson       A        4    4    3.68       9     44.0     46  21   18       1      5    15   46     1.39     1.22
  • Casimiro        A        5     9   4.92     25   122.2  128  84   67     12      4    65   92     1.57     1.25
  • Rios                 A         6     2   3.69     13   102.1  102  51   42       9      6    40   73     1.39     1.21
  • Viza                  A        3   17   5.29     24   126.0  172  88   74       9      4    24   80     1.56     1.05
  • Arteaga          A        3     6    9.23      9       39.0    69  46   40       7      1    11   25     2.05     1.12
  • Leibrandt      A-      2     3    2.20      7        41.0   29  10   10       1      0      8   45      0.90     0.51
  • Oliver              A-      0     1    7.71      3        14.0   19  20   12       2      3    20    6       2.79     1.49
  • Pinto               A-      1     5    2.11      9        47.0   36  17   11       4      2    15   48      1.09     0.90
  • Whitehead    A-      4     4    2.19    13       74.0   70  27   18       1      3      8    43      1.05     1.59

Williamsport & GCL (from among those below plus any drafted pitchers) – Too early to start guessing the short season kids.  The Rookie League players from the DSL and VSL were at Instructs this year.

  • Player       Level   W   L    ERA    GS      IP       H     R    ER   HR  HB  BB  SO   WHIP  GO/AO
  • Gueller            A-      5    5    4.69     13    63.1     65   34   33      2      2     29   31     1.48     0.73
  • Sanchez         A-       3    9    5.43    11     59.2    75   40   36      6       2    19   32     1.58     0.73
  • Alezones      GCL     2    1    2.70      4     30.0    21   12      9      1       2     5    27     0.87     1.25
  • Keys               GCL     3    2    2.20      7     49.0    43   16    12      0       4   12   35     1.12     1.86
  • Kilome          GCL     3    1    3.12      8     40.1    36   17    14      2       1   11   25     1.17     1.26
  • Morales        GCL     2    2    3.83      9     42.1    57   27    18      3       0     7    30     1.51     2.25
  • Garcia           GCL     2    2    2.08      4     26.0    26     9       6      0       1     4    23     1.15     1.39
  • Cabrera        DSL     2    2    2.57      8     42.0    29   15    12      2       2   20   46     1.17     0.62
  • DeLaCruz     DSL     4    6    3.13    12    69.0    65   35    24      2       4     8    48     1.06     1.40
  • Paulino         DSL     1    6    3.61    10    57.1    68   37    23      1       6   11   46     1.38     1.38
  • Taveras         DSL     8    4    1.05    13    85.1    61   22    10      1     11     8   70     0.81     1.05
  • Indriago        VSL      5    1    3.19    12    62.0    59   30    22      1       4     7   44     1.06     1.01
  • Suarez           VSL      5    4    1.56    14    80.2    67   25    14      2       1     1   78     0.84     1.23

 

158 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of January 26th

  1. Great post. What people sometimes do not understand about RAJ’s job is that he puts together more than one lineup. He has to work from the top down taking numerous factors into consideration.

    I like the offseason. The franchise began to move forward into the rebuilding which is difficult.

    I like having Nola start in AA and spend a full year in the minors. Give him a full year to adjust to pro ball. Last year he surprised people and it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to guys seeing him multiple times.

    Re: MAG

    What work has he done this offseason? Is he stretching out his arm? How many pitches do they have him working?

    I think that goes a long way to determining if he sits in the rotation or bullpen to start the season.

  2. Here is a topic that I wanted to post. Anyone see the comments from the new commish about eliminating defensive adjustments?

    http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-01-25/new-mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-eliminating-defensive-shifts-pitch-clock

    I don’t like the idea. If a guy like Howard cannot hit to the opposite field why give him a benefit by taking away the defensive adjustment? A player should know and want to correct this weakness. If they do the adjustment goes away.

    1. It is very difficult to hit a pitch to the opposite side of the field when they are always pitching inside(or to the shift) so I am in favor of banning extreme shifts like Howard and others. I don’t mind allowing a one step leeway but there needs to be two players on each side of the field. Baseball needs to create more offense without letting PED’s back into the game and this is one way for Baseball to accomplish this or the sport will fall out of favor with the younger generation.

    2. I think that before advocating the elimination of baseball’s equivalent of the “zone defense”, I would consider lowering the height of the mound. Pitchers threw from a flat space early in the development of the game. When pitchers realized they could generate more velocity with a downward step toward home plate, mounds were born. When regulation of the height was first mandated, that height was 15 inches. When scoring dropped to in 1968, the height of the mound was lowered to 10 inches to minimize the pitcher’s advantage and boost scoring. Maybe it’s time to lower it again.

    3. I LOVE THE IDEA… Pitching has gotten so far ahead of hitting post steroid era that I’m not opposed to leveling the playing field a bit. Further, I’m sure I’m not the only one that finds it incredibly irritating that players consistently hit into the shift. I think it provides little entertainment value and almost comes across as relying on “trickery” to win games. I’m all for banning it.

  3. I actually don’t mind if they change the defensive alignment to make positions specific to certain areas on the field. It would have to be where they start when the pitch is thrown that way players can cross over if their range allows them to. Here’s a good question . . . If it were to change this year (I know it won’t) would this make it easier to move Howard? And how much easier if so?

    Know this thread is about MiLB pitching but just responding to the above.

    1. Great article. This sentence is why I prefer control over pure power in pitchers and think that power is often overrated.

      ‘A pitcher needs to command the strike zone and be able to change speeds if he’s going to make it to the majors and survive. ‘

    1. Yes that would be a very good thing if he can rebound from the shoulder problems and pitch like before. Hard to believe he turns 25 prior to ST.

  4. Wow, I don’t think Biddle and Nola will stay in AA for long, so LHV will become even more crowded. I wonder who would be bounced from that rotation when that happens. O’Sullivan and Loewen? And what about Morgan?

    Trading Lee or Hamels would really open up some rotation room unless they get even MORE pitching.

    1. I think you see Nola go from AA to the Majors by the end of the year when he shows that he is ready. Especially after Hamels/Lee trades in July

  5. The question to be asked of Amaro is”how much change did you see a need for the Phils to make following the last 3 seasons and do you feel you’ve accomplished that change?” I fear we’ll see an all-too-familiar roster in place once the season opens.

  6. I can understand wanting to trade, Howard and Lee since it will be a couple years before we can make the next serious run, but I am in the hold camp on Hamels, unless you can define another 1 in your system or you have concrete plans to trade or get a 1 (Rick Wise for Steve Carlton….best Phillies trade ever).

    Also it would be good to move on from lamenting why they did not start the process in 2012. We may or may not agree with that, but I can certainly see that they were hoping the wheels were still on folks like Halliday, Howard, etc. 2014 was definitely a last ditch, and it was clear it hit the ditch early.

    Its good to see they have loaded up on potential 3-5 SP’s. With Hamels in place and a big SP addition when we get close to contending again should have us good there. We need to get 4-5 solid hitting and power prospects now.

    1. Ruben has done a good job replenishing the pitching, but we’ve done precious little with hitters at both the major and minor league level. This is Ruben’s M.O. and I, for one, do not like or understand it. We need a bunch of hitters too.

    2. There could be several top starters available in free agency next offseason (Price, Cueto, Zimmerman, Fister, Shark). If the Phils trade Hamels now, they can go after one of them next offseason. If they wait until next offseason to try to trade Hamels, they will have even less leverage in trade negotiations. Plus, he’ll be a year older.

    1. I think both are tough to develop. Right now the environment for hitters is extremely unfavorable. The lack of hitting is why the Phillies were actaully able to get something fairly decent for Marlon Byrd.

    2. I’m kind of curious on everyone’s thoughts on this;

      1) When the Phillies made there run in 2007 – 2011, the first three years (2007 – 2009) was their greatest growth / success. It was with power hitting, speed on the base paths, and decent SP pitching (not great).

      2) 2007 you had Hamels, Myers, and Moyer SP’s into the playoffs. The big SP addition that put them over the top in 2008 was mighty Joe Blanton. I mean other than Hamels……..

      3) 2009 they got Lee, and they were still out slugging everyone (except the bombers), but Hamels had a Brett Myers season (inconsistent) and there big SP pick up was a creaky Pedro. They were still winning with ok pitching but mainly with the same formula of power bats and good base running (and defense).

      4) They never played small ball those years, in fact they were some of the worst at knocking runners (bunting was horrid) in with anything but home runs, and good base running. They had streaky hitters, but no real consistent hitters.

      5) 2010 they lost Lee and got Halliday and Oswalt, 2011 the four aces (and mighty Joe), but there power and base running tailed off considerably. SP was awesome in the regular season, but the decline in offense allowed them to get out pitched by the Giants and then the Cardinals in the playoffs (both WS champs those years).

      6) The Phillies definitely focused on SP pitching those two years while their power declined. They tried the same formulas for 2012 – 2014 but Halliday went down, Lee had an off year, and then Hamels. Then last year they started without Hamels, Lee goes down, and AJ……..

      It will be interesting to see if the Nats can win in the playoffs with just pitching. So far its yielded the same results as the Phils 2010 and 2011.

      Your thoughts?

      1. If you look at the true dynastic teams in the history of baseball, they tend to be ones with great hitting and very solid pitching. These teams including numerous Yankees’ dynasties, the old Philadelphia Athletics, and the Big Red Machine.

        Many of the great pitching teams of all time, were never able to dominate, although they were very competitive. These teams include the early 90s-to early 2000s Braves, the great Cleveland Indians teams of the late 40s and early 50s, the mid to late 80s Mets teams (only one WS) and the 2010-11 Phillies.

        Of course, some teams have great pitching and great hitting, such as the Orioles teams of the 60s through mid 80s and the Oakland A’s teams of the early 70s.

        And don’t ask me about the Giants – Madison Bumgarner aside, I still have no idea how or why they won so many WS titles – I think they are an outlier to be honest with you.

        1. The baseball divine powers decided they overlooked all the prior great SF teams(with Mays, McCovey, Marichal and Perry) that should have won some WS titles beforehand and paid it forward to the current team.

      2. A lot of fans think that winning a world series is a lot more predictable than it actually is. We got lucky in 2008 but unlucky in 2011, because the 2011 team was much better than 2008 (as evidenced by the records).

        It’s all about timely hitting and pitching. We needed timely hitting for our WS runs, which we got from Victorino’s grand slam, Rollins’ double, Stairs’ home run, etc. We did not get that in 2010 or 2011, but we can’t pretend that those hits were guaranteed in 2008 and impossible in 2011.

        Remember that the best team in baseball still loses around 60 out of 162 games.

        1. Good points. One of things that is also in there, is how hot the pitchers (and hitters) are going into the playoffs, and how your top 3 – 4 starters match up in the playoffs.

          Hamels was on fire in the 2008 playoffs. That’s the best stretch he has ever pitched in the playoffs, maybe in his career. He was not even mediocre in 2009, Lee was the pitcher on fire. In 2008 Myers hung in there, Moyer was amazing considering he throws so slow and Blanton was actually good that year and had a career game 4 in WS.

          Your right the 2010 SF series was a combo of SF over achieving and the Phils just going cold. The Cardinals series in 2011 was mind boggling as well. If I remember correct we were up a game. We got out pitched and hit in the next 5-4? Than the heart breaker where Haliday pitched his heart out, only giving up 1 run. And Carpenter pitched one of his best games ever after getting shelled in game 1.

          The sight of Howard (that’s why I have RemHoward 2011) rupturing his Achilles trying to leg out a hit for the last out is burnt in my memory forever…heart braking. I think he won one of those games with a couple of bombs.

        2. Absolutely true. One often hears the narrative that the Phillies got progressively worse from 2008 to 2012, based largely upon post-season success or lack thereof. That is one of the sticks used to beat RAJ as never being any good and immediately ruining the awesome club he inherited from Gillick. The truth at the major league level is that RAJ progressively strengthened the team from 2008 to 2011, with the 2011 team that went into post-season being far stronger than the 2008 team. It all fell apart in 2012. The injury to Howard was a huge part of that. There is solid reason to bash RAJ (or owners, whomever was responsible for allowing the team to age out, while neglecting the farm). The Howard contract was ill-advised, but the blown-out Achilles made it far worse than it needed to be.

      3. I think too much emphasis is placed upon small ball. That is really more a personal preference of many commentators than an actual, proven strategy. Those great Phillies teams scored a ton of runs. Yes, they made great use of the HR, but the score doesn’t include style points for how you score. For some commentators it is almost mental masturbation to get off complaining about strikeouts and unproductive outs. Howard was great and super-productive in the golden era and he stinks now. The difference has nothing to do with strike outs. It has everything to do with a lot fewer HRs. If a guy can pop 48 HR and 30 other X-base hits, as Howard did for us in 2008 (and he did a lot better than that in 2006), it really doesn’t matter how many times he strikes out (hint: he was one short of 200 Ks in 2008). He drove in 146 runs that season. How many RBIs do you think he would have had, if he had focused on playing small ball? Current Ryan Howard had almost the same K-rate he did back in 2008, but only 42 X-base hits, instead of 78. The problem is the reduced power (almost exactly cut in half) not the Ks. Small ball is a fetish.

        1. The problem with focusing too much on power is that when the home runs do not come the runs are hard to come by. How many times did the Phillies struggle to score when they could not get the big bats going?

          How many guys in a pitchers era are going to hit 48 HR’s?

          Davis hit 53 and Cabrera hit 44 in 2013. Cruz hit 40 last year.

          Power bats are just not there. It is not easy to find a stud power hitter anymore.

          If anything power is the fetish in a pitchers era and small ball is in. If it was a hitters era the opposite would be true.

          1. Small ball is (marginally) more valuable in a low run environment. It still isn’t worth much – most small ball strategies still are marginal or even negative contributions to scoring, even in a low run environment.

            Power is indeed scare currently, which makes it more valuable, not less. But the missing piece here is on base abilities. And I worry that this is an institutional blind spot for the organization.

        2. isn’t it a coincidence that Howard’s production dropped off after Mick Billmeyer was caught stealing signs? It occurred way before the 2011 Cards game. Howard had a poor WS against the Yanks and was terrible against the Giants. He has been a guess hitter, and terrific at hitting bad pitches. Then he stopped guessing right and lost his ability to pick up the slider, causing him to swing at worse and worse pitches. Now he can’t get around like he did on the inside FB, which probably is health related. But I wonder how much he benefitted from stealing signs.

          1. Howard always had problems picking up offspeed pitches and during the playoffs nobody wanted to throw him a fastball. They just tossed him pitches that they knew he would chase.

            I place it more on his inability to adjust. Once you get to the playoffs a weakness gets magnified.

  7. RAJ has done a good job at adding Pitching depth, but no one can call any of the guys a 1 or a 2. I don’t think of Nola’s ceiling as higher than a 3, but I hope to be wrong. The Phils are terrible at drafting and/or developing any hitters, that is guys with the ability to put the ball in play. They disregard OBP, and the ability to see a lot of pitches, and this is despite the fact that the WS team was terrific at that. You had Werth and Burrell with close to 100 BBs, Howard walked also, and Utley saw a lot of pitches. Hopefully this has changed with Crawford’s arrival in the draft. But, to be good ever again, they need to hit on good hitters and a #1 from the next couple of drafts.

    1. “They disregard OBP and seeing pitches” you made this comment after talking about their drafting . . Explain to me how to use that when you are scouting college hitters and/or high school hitters. You really can’t. It just doesn’t translate to professional baseball, someone has a high OBP in college or in high school doesn’t mean he will in pro ball. Sabermetrics can’t be used when drafting guy. I was actually talking about this with a buddy of mine who just got hired as the hitting coach w Tampa Bay’s rookie league team . . He said the exact same thing.

      1. That was really a comment on both their acquisitions at the Major League and prospect level. I think you can see a hitter and get a good idea of the type of eye he has, and you can also develop a hitter to work on that as well. The Phils don’t get that type of player at any level.

  8. In my rotation guesses, I have MAG in the LHV rotation instead of Pettibone, who I don’t think will be ready until mid season. I also think they’ll go slow with Morgan and keep him in Extended initially. I think MAG and Loewen will battle for the 6th spot which could be an interesting spot on this staff with Hamels, who could be traded at any moment, and Lee, a guy who could be traded mid season also.
    My Reading staff has Windle in it (Nola, Biddle, Eflin, Lively) with Milner and Kleven both moved to the pen.
    My CWater staff has Mecias, Imhof, Arano, Liebrandt, and Leiter with Nunez (at Reading) and Oliver in the pen. I’m not sure about Nunez though. They might want to replace Leiter with Nunez.
    In LWood, I have Pinto, Whitehead, Andersen, Viza and Gueller or Viza.

    Each staff will have prospects to follow except for LHV initially.

  9. Baseball Ross echos what I have been saying for two years…..Roman Quinn needs to stop the switch-hitting and concentrate just on his natural right-handed side.
    —–Baseball Ross – “The switch hitting Quinn impressed last season with the Clearwater Threshers. He did not hit much for average from the left side where he hit only .227 (.673 OPS). Hitting right handed it was a different story where he hit .327 (.809 OPS). The story was the same in the Arizona Fall League where he hit .327 right-handed and only .219 left-handed. The only problem is that Quinn has shown power from the right side hitting seven of his nine combined FSL and AFL homers from there in 2014. He had three time as many at bats from the left side than he did from the right side in a total of 112 games combined in the FSL and AFL. With his speed the Phillies will be reluctant to have him hit only from the right side of the plate but his numbers show it might be something to consider”.

    Makes me wonder why the Phillies rushed to have Quinn do the switheroo, but a team like the Sox with also their 2011 draft choice, choose to let Mookie Betts stay righthanded.

    1. Scouts universally like his left handed swing more. He has more power, harder contact, and it overall looks better. There is video of the two in BP and RH is rotational and flat, LH he attacks the baseball. His eye is better from the right

    2. Misleading. Quinn did have a higher RH SLG in the FSL .418 (6 doubles, 1 HR in 98 AB) than his LH SLG in the FSL .349 (4 doubles, 3 triples, 6 HR in 229 AB). He did NOT “show power from the right side hitting seven of his nine combined FSL and AFL homers from there” That’s a huge mis-statement. The statement that he had 3 times as many AB left-handed is also inaccurate. (293 v 126). I agree that the Phillies may want to re-think the switch hitting experiment, but I hope their data is more accurate than this.

      1. In the past Baseball Ross is normally pretty accurate. Only proves he is human.
        Maybe I better start believing more in Baseball Betsy!

        1. The one problem with the whole argument is: what if Quinn can’t hit at all against a right handed pitcher from his right side? What if he’s the 2nd coming of Hewitt? Remember Hewitt had a season or two where his splits were so Jekyll and Hyde that people were actually recommending him as right handed pinch hitter and possible defensive replacement.

      2. Some more Data (Clearwater and AFL):

        As a RHB:
        6.9% BB%
        12.41% K%
        62.2% GB%
        17.1% LD%
        14.4% FB%

        As a LHB:
        12.0% BB%
        22.3% K%
        53.8% GB%
        12.3% LD%
        25.6% FB%

        Essentially from the RH side you are getting Ben Revere with worse contact skills, and from the left side he has a bit more volatility, but has a profile that resembles a power hitter

        1. Seriously….look at the K rate difference, almost double between LH vs RH!
          The LD % indicates he hits the ball harder from the RH side.
          The 3% difference in BB is too close to call, especially since the majority of his PAs were from the leftside.
          Comping Revere and Quinn at the same stage and level is really depressing.
          Granted Quinn has struggled with injuries so that has to be factored into the equation.

          1. Callis on Quinn, more or less reinforces what I say about the Phillies should junk the switch-hitting experiment and let him go strictly righty, ala Sox Betts……..

            “Quinn showed more patience in the AFL, and he’ll be more dangerous than ever if he can bring that discipline with him when he ascends to Double-A Reading this year. A natural right-handed hitter, he has batted .316 from that side but just .237 as a lefty. Quinn gets down the line so quickly from the right side of the plate that he might be best served by giving up switch-hitting”

  10. There is certainly a lot of SP depth within the system to talk about. I am hoping they can add some more bats because after Franco, JPC, and Quinn their aren’t many exciting bats to follow.

    Hopefully we will get a couple of bats like Knapp, Sandberg, Brown, Cozens, etc. to emerge as legit prospects and hit in the upper levels. While those players potentially develop, we could add some bats by moving Hamels/Lee. IMO we need to target FOR pitching and bats in any trades and the draft.

      1. I hope so. We just really need some bats to build around. Besides Asche there aren’t really any position players in the bigs to move forward with. Brown and Revere could easily be a 4th or 5th OF on a contending team. Herrera might be a guy they could build with. If he can’t handle LF he could move back to 2B if he hits.
        We could really use a stud 1B or OF prospect in the system.

        1. Asche needs a lot of improvement on both offense and defense to be a guy you can build around. He had a ,699 OPS and questionable D. It was a decent MLB start, but he has yet to show himself as our future 3B. Brown had a dreadful 2014, but a year ago put up an .800+ OPS as a major leaguer. I see him as having at least as much chance as Asche to be a starter for us. Revere also has questionable D, but didn’t do all that badly last season on an injured foot. He gets another year to show us what he’s got.

          1. Stole 49 with a pin in his foot and hit 300. I’d like too Revere and Quinn on top of the line up for 1 yr.

  11. I saw a scatter graph of the Pittsburgh Pirates minor league starting pitchers and I found it intriguing. The graph was set up so the K ratio was on the vertical axis and the GO/FO rate was on the horizontal axis. The averages of the K rate and GO/FO were used to set up 4 quadrants. The guys who showed up in the upper right hand quadrant were considered elite. Although just plotting a point on a graph has to have some narrative concerning age and level. I’d like to see that for our starting pitchers and see if it holds water or creates a discussion that could bring out some finer points.

    I don’t have access to GO/FO stats for the year, so I can’t get it together.

    1. Well Bellman…you and DMAR have developed your own pitching metrics.
      DMAR has the KWHIP metric ( all rights reserved).
      And now you have your own metric.

      1. I couldn’t find the article but I remember one difference from what I said above. The K rate should be K/BB. That makes more sense.

  12. Pap trade might be on again.the Brewers and Blue Jays too but looking at it only if it is low financial risk.

    1. I think the Phillies if they don’t trade pap , will make sure he doesn’t get the 44 games finished, the 13 million wont kick then, Romus say the Phillies keep him and he closes 30 games by trade deadline, cant they just release him and save the money then? or will he filed a grievance ?

      1. Not only will he file a grievance, but there is a very good chance that his grievance is successful. If the Phils keep him, unless he blows 5 saves in a row, and they go to Giles/Diekman, he wins a grievance.

      2. He is entitled and free to file a grievance against the Phillies thru the union if he wishes, but for the Phillies to limit his save/closing opps for the pure sake and purpose to deny him that vesting option would give the appearance that the team is less then honorable…not particular promoting goodwill.
        I guess what bothers me the most. As one knowledgeable poster wrote on another sight…Sandberg should have been instructed to use some foresight in 2014:
        “Last year, Papelbon finished 52 games, 8 of which the Phils won by 4 runs or more (including wins by 6, 7, 8 and 11 runs). If the manager had had the foresight to let someone else pitch the 9th inning in those games when a win was almost assuredly going to occur, he would have finished 44 games last year and would need 56 games finished this year for the option to vest and be significantly more marketable”

        1. It is not just letting him pitch but in those games Pap may not have used for 3-4 days so Sandberg needed to get Paps some game action to keep him fresh.

          It is more than just letting him pitch but how and when he is used. Sometimes you need to put a relief pitcher in just to keep him fresh.

      3. Just thinking that the delay on a trade may be tied to the organizational changes being made.

        Amaro may need approval from above and with the changes everything requiring a lot of money may be on hold.

    1. Moncada is the rage now…for all we know there may be a multitude of 14/15-year old Moncadas on the sugar cane island.
      That is why the inter draft needs to be established.
      Wouldn’t surprise if the officials of the Little League allow the Cubans a team in the August tournament now with Cuba ties opening up.
      Pro scouts at Cuban Little League games?

      1. But for all we know, they will have to go through the draft and we’ll get a shot at no more than one per season.

        1. Exactly…just like the Yankees, Cubs, Rangers, Sox, and the rest who now, want to sign as many as their bank accounts allow them to at the 7 figure level..

    2. There has been hype, but never close to that level of hype. MAG was never cast as the best ever. Neither were Castillo and Tomas.

  13. You are correct, that the unknown can be appealing. However, there have been some excellent pick ups the last few years, Puig, Abreu, but no involvement by the Phils. That is part of the problem with the organization,. When their $ gave them an advantage, they did not use it.

  14. Saw on ESPN that KLaw has ranked the Cubs as the No. 1 minor league system. I don’t have an insider subscription, but was curious if anyone does, where he has the Phils?

    1. 25 is the word on twitter. No idea how he came to that conclusion since he had them at #14 last year. Phillies only graduated Giles and added Nola who was a top ten pick. Also with the amount of trades the depth was really strengthened on the farm. Would love to see his reasoning for dropping them 11 spots.

      1. I don’t have color as to why but could be the disappointing results from Biddle and lack of progress with the 2013 class other than Crawford. Law really liked that draft for the Phils at the time.

        1. He’s also very bearish on Franco. Probably out of all the national writers, he’s the lowest on him. That may factor into his rankings.

          I just don’t understand how you go from 14 to 25 while adding Nola, Lively, Eflin and Windle (heck throw in Arano and Valentin) and only losing Giles. Does that mean that 11 other farms systems improved more than the Phillies while not graduating any prospects?

          Again, the logic doesn’t make too much sense to me. A few spots drop to about the 19-21 range would be understandable if he docked points for Biddle and the 2013 class not making progress. 11 spot drop? That needs an explanation.

          1. I don’t put much stock in team ratings. It has even more variables then prospect ratings. I don’t think we had the 14th best farm last year to begin with.

      2. He had them too high last year and too low this year. Except for Giles and the 2014 draftees and some LA pitchers making their stateside debut, 2014 was pretty much wipeout year for our pitching prospects. I think a more accurate rating would be to flip-flop his order rank of the Phillies for 2014 and 2015. I’d say we are about 14-15 now and were about 21-25 last year.

  15. MLB TRADE RUMORS interesting how if the Phillies trade pap and pay 13 million, it will hurt them with giles. who as a closer will get more in arb., Seems reading the article they are painted in a corner.

    1. Not really. It will be Giles’ first full season and he won’t even be arb-eligible. Beyond that, it would be a chance for the Phillies to move away from A Closer, and just have a bullpen that the manager uses in a way that makes most sense in a given game. With Papelbon gone, this would be the first time in a long time that the team doesn’t have a vet who ‘owns’ the quite arbitrary role of closer. More than one reliever can carry a significant part of the closing load and the top reliever can also be used in high-pressure situations in earlier innings.

    2. The Phils should trade Papelbon now, let Giles establish himself as a top closer, and then trade Giles at either the deadline or next off-season, whenever his trade value would be higher.

      A talent like Giles has much more value to a contender, and Giles would be near free agency the next time Phils are contenders.

      Next to Hamels, Giles could be the team’s most valuable trading chip.

  16. Not really they can use a anybody in the bp until Giles is ready . Over the next yr it doesn’t matter . The main is to get pap and his contract out of here.

    1. Absolutely. If he can get to .260 (he’s a .254 career hitter) he can be a Byrd type bat but a 25-26 year old Byrd type bat. Nothing wrong with that in the 5-6 hole.

  17. Clearly, the Middleton taking over did not occur. The 2018 proposed contention year, per Pat Gillick, may have just moved to 2020.

    1. I don’t think that’s true at all. Chairman is the position that Giles held, while Monty was running things as President. This is a step up for Gillick from ‘interim’ and a step back by both Monty and Giles. Middleton remains the guy with 48% who wanted Gillick in and Monty out, so he seems to have won.

      1. Pat Gillick, soon to be 78 this summer, has already said he is not in this for the long-term….as soon as his friend is well. and It appears Monty is well enough to do the Chairman duties, which like you mentioned is a ‘step back’
        I think Gillick hangs around for another 6months or so then decides its time to exit again.

      2. I agree, Allentown. I think that’s pretty clear.

        The big question is what happens when Gillick steps away. I for one will be disappointed with anything less than a full fledged search for a top, forward thinking President to run the show moving forward.

  18. I read it as Monty and Giles bumped up the ladder to figurehead positions while MIddleton moves into the now vacated President position (when he takes over) while Amaro, Gillick, and the front office bide their time.

    1. Not sure Middleton will be the Prez….he is an owner and hopes to be the principal owner .
      Executive Management and Baseball Operational positions go to guys who have to be at the office/field everyday and working every day.
      Owners, well, they have other things they do.

      1. It may not be the popular thought but I think when Middleton takes over he will clean house. This is the last year on Amaro’s contract and Gillick is short-term.

        I meant MIddleton in a position similar to Monty before. The new guy will want his people in charge.

        I think this year will end with a radically different front office.

    1. Let’s hope not. That wouldn’t do anyone but Ruben Amaro, Jr. himself any good.

      That said, I think Pat Gillick has a unique opportunity to restructure this franchise and not with respect to what he himself will do, although that could help. Rather, I think Pat Gillick is the only outsider in that organization with the influence to tell people that they need to change the direction of the team and hire someone who embraces at least certain aspects of the modern approach to team building. They are so old fashioned that they will not do this unless they are pushed to do this (or Middleton truly takes over, which does not appear to be imminent), but they hold Pat Gillick in the highest esteem so if Gillick says they need to do it, they just very well might. So here’s hoping that in his last big go round with the firm Pat takes the long view and does the right thing. He’s a good guy and a smart guy so it’s definitely not impossible.

      But if Pat just steps aside and let’s things progress in the organizaiton as they normally do without his having a very strong hand in appointing his own successor, I’m not too optimistic.

      1. If one can believe the Philadelphiaphillies.com website, and maybe that is possible here, Gillick is quoted as having a change in mind from his previous idea of staying just until Montgomery recovered, to I paraphrase)being excited about the opportunity to mold the path to resurgence, and willing to stay as long as the team owners will have him. FWIW.

  19. The Phils should trade Papelbon now, install Giles as closer, let Giles establish himself as a top closer, and then trade him at peak value.

    Giles is much more valuable to a contender than he is to the Phillies, a team that won’t contend until Giles is near free agency.

    Next to Hamels, Giles could be the team’s most valuable trade chip.

  20. Who don’t you want to trade how about Franco , Crawford too.Giles is still young he will be when the get good again. Pitchers that throw 100mph and have a Wipeout slider don’t come around too often.

    1. ‘ Pitchers that throw 100mph and have a Wipeout slider don’t come around too often.’…tha is true….but their bullets run out fast.
      Giles will be 25 in September….by 2017/18…when the team will have a new look but not certain of a playoff contending ability…..he may have gone the Brad Lidge route of 2006…flamed-out. Now you will be hoping for a 2008 Lidge…basically his last hurrah.
      Hard throwing relievers flame-out faster then starters…granted there are exceptions, ie Rivera and even our own Papelbon has gone longer then the normal.
      But derekcarstairs is correct, Giles is a very valuable trade-chip

      1. How about the kid for Atlanta did he flame out?? omg you guys are serious trade a young controllable kid like giles, wow it has to be me,

        1. rocco…got you going good today, eh? 😉
          Package Hamels and Giles and you can come up with a pretty decent return package. Then sign Moncada, wallah!
          .

      2. Once we lose pap , Howard and cliff lee contract the phillies will be back signing big
        The market players again hopefully with better contacts. So in 2 yrs the phillies might be a playoff team.plus if look at it the way you are 1 ( trading Diekman would make sense he throws just as hard as Giles and he’s a lefty.plus he has more experience). 2 ( teams at the trading deadline are look for experienced closers someone who been in the playoffs).3 ( you said hard throwing closer burn out fast then Giles value is down already.4 ( Give Giles some time nobody knows if he can even close).5 ( he’s under team control wait a couple yrs let him get some experience.6 ( I believe the phillies who are rebuilding to get younger and cheaper are trying let their prospects grow their’s Noway they will trade any of their prospects at this point unless it’s blockbuster trade. I
        The phillies won their world series with shut down bullpen.

        1. Diekman has yet to prove he has the mental makeup to close. So not sure other teams wold place a very high value on him.
          From MajorMalfunction here are some facts from 2014:
          “4 save opportunities last year…all 4 were blown. Them and some examples I cherry picked:
          4/1 — TEX Blown Save 7th IN, ahead 1 run
          4/14 — ATL, BS and the L, 9th IN
          5/22 — MIA, Tie game, started 9th IN, got the L, 2/3 IN, 4H, 1 ER
          7/3 — MIA, BS got the W, 8th IN
          7/12 –, WSN, Loss…came in tie game in 10th and lost it
          9/25, — MIA, BS got L, 7th IN, 1/3 IN, 5H, 3 ER’

          1. Nobody knows if Giles could do it for a full season either. The point was do the keep trading there prospects . Crawford has a high bar set on him so does Franco do we trade too they will bring more then Giles. The phillies goal this yr is get ride of some the older players and there contacts. Start to bring the prospect up. Not to trade them.

  21. Nothing has changed regarding the operation of the Club. Until a forward thinking President/GM is put into place with the ability to restructure scouting and player development, it will remain the same. Gillick is 78 and there is a reason he stepped aside after 2008. He would not have won a WS here without Wade having left him Howard, Utley, Rollins Hamels, Victorino, Burrell, Ruiz. Yes he got Lidge and Werth. But Giles and Monty moving up, does not change anything about how this franchise operates. When Middleton gets Moncada, or does things differently, then I will give credit where it is due. But, despite Middleton’s owning close to 48%, as confirmed by Monty, the General Partnership remains exactly as it was. That is what I meant by Middleton not taking over. And, I am not positive that, even if he did, the way the team does business will change.

      1. Which part is nonsense? Have you had conversations with Middleton and he has told you about his plans? Or, did you enjoy the previous teams that Pat Gillick built from scratch?

        1. Monty has said that his will be a very faint voice on the baseball side going forward. He said that Middleton encouraged him to step aside and installed Gillick in his place. Giles voice is further muted by this change. Yes, the team has to start to spend internationally, but it seems impossible to deny that change is occurring quite rapidly. Gillick is not the doofus you make him out to be. Yes the core was there when Gillick arrived, but he made the final moves to push them over the top and gave ownership the nudge they needed to spend more.

          1. I don’t think he is, at all, a doofus. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. What I said, and what I mean, is that he has not rebuilt a team the way the Phillies need to rebuild. There is no nucleus here. This is not an underachieving team, in need of a couple of shrewd moves. This isn’t close to the Phillies team he came to and won a WS with. His history is not one where he has built an organization up from the bottom. Who, aside from Hamels, is an All-Star, or someone who you can, with the greatest stretch in the world, project to be an integral part of a contender? Revere, Brown, Asche? Not even close. That is why I think that Gillick and Amaro are not the ones to lead a rebuilding team.

            1. If as you say Gillick is a legitimate HOF GM, then I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If he was smart enough to create or push over the top, many teams which were good for more than one pop-up season, then I think it reasonable to assume he may also be smart enough to lead a successful rebuild. There is no guarantee of that, but whomever you would replace him with also doesn’t come with a guarantee. I think you put way too much emphasis on RAJ finishing out his contract. In all the ways that matter most, the GM of the Phillies is now Gillick and RAJ is his assistant. Gillick is the highest-ranked baseball guy in the organization. The GM used to have that role. Likely after RAJ departs and Gillick retires, the new GM will once again be the highest-ranking baseball guy in the Phillies organization. I’m glad that Gillick is clearly in charge. Under much of the RAJ GM tenure, it was far from clear that he was even Manuel’s real boss. They seemed co-equals, with Monty splitting the differences.

            2. The Phillies were not Gillick’s first success. He has won in many ways and in many places, including Toronto where he took an expansion team, built it from scratch, and eventually won two WS rings.

              I myself think that Gillick is a little long in the tooth, but, until they find a capable replacement for Gillick from outside the organization, he’ll do.

  22. Keith Law ranks JP Crawford #7 MLB prospect; Aaron Nola at #57. Franco droppedal off his Top 100 (#63 last year).

      1. I don’t think Law is right on this, but I wouldn’t call it strange:

        (1) Law doesn’t buy him as a third baseman (I disagree)
        (2) Regular season was a bit of a disappointment, and that should weigh more heavily than smaller SS winter league against (arguably) lesser competition (literally true, though I put less weight on this than Law does)
        (3) Approach issues continued in winter league, and will handicap him against better pitching (I agree with the first part but an more optimistic than Law about the second part).

        #1 is the big one though – if Franco was limited to first base (IMO he isn’t), then he probably isn’t a top 100 prospect.

      2. Law has always had more reservations about Franco than most, between thinking his defense is already bad at 3rd and concern about his deep load (arm-bar). I guess he wasn’t convinced by his better second half at AAA or the winter.

        1. Watching a lot of Franco, I really believe he will hit in majors. Will start slow like always. get fooled by veterans with off speed stuff. But anyone who saw him struggle in aaa and then start to get it, cant tell me this kid isn’t a top 100 prospect. he can field, and throw, cant run give you that. but has power and hits to all fields.

          1. I hope you are right. His power is easy, big, in-game power – the ball jumps off his bat the way it does with only the exceptional power hitters. He has tremendous hand-eye coordination at third – the type of feel, coordination and reaction time you literally cannot teach at that position (just ask Michael Young). But the big issue will be whether he can adequately adjust to good breaking stuff – I sure hope so, but only time will tell – aside from that, I think he has everything else to be a first division regular – not really a star, but a very good player.

            1. I just read Klawchat today, and on Franco, he says he believes he has to move to 1B because, although he has good hands and a good arm, his feet are too slow. Says his pitch recognition is awful and swing is geared for power, nothing more. Some of you have seen him a lot more than me. I liked what I saw at 3B. I am not saying Klaw is the be all and end all of prospect evaluation, but do others have a problem with him at 3B?

            2. I watched about 40 of his games in CLW in 2013. I’m not a pro scout, but I thought he looked good at third. I saw him make the Brooks Robinson play, the play where the ball bounds over the bag into foul territory – dive, catch, roll, set, throw. I saw him make the Mike Schmidt play, the play where the ball is bunted or topped down the line – charge, barehand, throw. That he made these plays doesn’t mean they are a predictor that he will always make them. But, when I remember his play at third these plays come to mind. I think he made 5 errors in @150 chances. Cody Asche played third in 2012 and what I remember of him is that his arm did not look strong enough to make the throw to first. Now of course, he can make the throw. But the trajectory had more of an arc.

            3. Wonder what KLaw says about Joey Gallo!
              If Franco’s ‘swing is geared for power and nothing more’….then what is Joey Gallo’s swing geared for…with the 34% K rate?

              Too many discretionary discrepancies in Law’s assessments.

            4. I think the majority opinion is that he can be at least an average 3B both now and for some undetermined number of years. Hands, arm, and instincts all good enough but range could hurt his value there. The question is how much and when, if ever, does the lack of range get to the point where he needs to be moved to first.

            5. catch the difference on him from the beginning of last season, to august and September was really noticeable. he struggled with off speed pitches, really bad in beginning but later in year he was waiting on them and hitting to right and with power. I Watch a lot of him on tv and you could see, he wasn’t lugging like in the beginning of year. This kid is legit imo.

            6. Keith Law on a write up on Gallo from last year:
              ” They’ve (Rangers) focused on guys that can be exceptional. That’s why you get Joey Gallo. I know his flaws and I’ve seen his flaws, but if he clicks, it’s a monster. He could hit 40 homers and drive in 100 runs for you. He can do so many things with his bat. That’s the kind of player the Rangers should go after.”
              ….ok Gallo has ‘flaws’, but his ‘flaws’ are less sever then Franco’s I assume!…..though Gallo k rate is approx. 34%…..
              ———to be frank I am not in total agreement of his assessment and projection for Franco

            7. I’m not sure he’s saying his flaws are less serious – rather, that his strengths aren’t as great. Gallo’s upside as a power hitter is a lot higher, and he is also a BB machine.

              Now, Law could be right, he could be wrong – but if you assume (as Law seems to – I don’t agree) that both of them are first base bound … well Gallo’s upside as a hitter is pretty clearly higher. Arguably much higher. Of course he could flame out – but so could Franco.

              Franco’s status as an elite prospect (unlike Gallo’s) depends upon being able to play third base.

            8. You say it more eloquently then I could…I am a bit perturbed that he dropped Franco out of the top 100.

  23. I am pretty pumped about the Crawford ranking. Hopefully the team continues to nail their first round picks – well, they kind of have to. The last two have been terrific.

  24. Happy with Nola also, and has Quinn with upside, said he was still getting over injury when he saw him, so was good, not great in CF. I think this year Quinn shows he can be a top Defensive CF. Called Biddle a complete bust at this point. That is scary.

    1. I don’t think Biddle can be a complete bust. Worst case he becomes a middle reliever a la Bastardo, but even then he has more pitches and better ones at that.

    2. I sort of feel the same way about Biddle… Hope I’m wrong, but I didn’t have him in my top 10…

    1. Now go put a waiver claim in on Viciedo. He’s 25, and a horrible fielder, but also a RHB capable of 20 plus homers. Again, a long shot to produce trade value, but if he has a decent year he could become a commodity at the deadline

      1. Actually The Tank is similar to the Cuban Yaz Tomas…big powerful corner OF, probably LFer types with challenging defensive skills, that will hit plenty of HRs with mediocre BA/OBPs. And Viciedo has MLB experience.
        I would hope they give him an opportunity.

  25. Shouldn’t we be happy then that the Phils did not spend $ on Tomas. I would take Tank as a waiver claim, but would not pay much $ for him. He is still only 25, I think.

  26. If they claim him on waivers it would be MLB minimum w Chicago playing his actual 2015 salary correct? If they trade him what do you think his price tag would be? Diekman? Or is that too much?

    1. If a team wins a waiver claim on Viciedo they would inherit his salary obligation of $4.4 mil. He could also be released if no team makes a claim. If release, the Sox are only obligated for a small percentage of his salary which is not 100% guaranteed. As you implied, they can trade for his before he is exposed in waivers. But I certainly wouldn’t trade Diekman for him

  27. I have been as critical of him as anyone and will be happy to see him go, but Bill Giles has forgotten more baseball than any of us will ever know.

    Consider this:
    1. Giles was weaned on baseball, being only three years old when his father took over the Reds’ baseball operations;
    2. he was still a teenager when his father became NL president, a position of clout back in the ’50s and ’60s;
    3. while still in his twenties, Giles was part of a small group of baseball men led by Gabe Paul that brought major-league baseball to Houston; and
    4. he has presided over the greatest success in Phillies’ history (and become a wealthy man in the process).

    1. Bill Giles strength is in marketing baseball decisions not baseball personnel decisions and he is responsible for the long drought from 1984 to 2001. The 1993-1994 teams to me were lightning in a bottle for all the key players.

      1. Yes, thank you. Bill Giles (and, from what I can tell most of the folks from the ownership group) appears to be a solidand decent person. But when it comes to building a baseball team, I see nothing that points to his competence. To the contrary, things always seemed to turn around when he stepped down or back. That said, I understand he had a huge hand in building and developing CBP and that park has been and will be a gift to the fans of Philadelphia for generations to come.

  28. Derek i wish could tell you the whole story of why bill giles is the worst thing that ever happen to philly But my rage would get me in trouble. Anyone who backs this moron giles imo doesnt know anything about baseball. The man didnt build the 80 team. That was rudy carpenter who knew to put good people in charge of the baseball operation, Not like giles who got mad at bowa and traded him along with one of the greatest second basemen for de jesus, I must stop cause i get too mad, that anyone would come on here to push giles as a forgotten man. His father was commissioner yes, but that doesnt mean he knew anything,

  29. You are correct, however, his talents have had nothing to do with the personnel part of Baseball. And, when he tried to be the GM, he was an abject failure. He let Jim Baumer, who he got from his close friend Bud Selig’s Milwaukee organization, trash one of the best farm systems in Baseball. He made the calls to forget latin America, and to limit the spending on draft choices. He, because of his close relationship with Selig, bought into the fake Salary Cap on draft picks before there was one, negating the Phils $ advantage when it could have been used to re-build the Farm system. Those are all philosophical decisions from Bill Giles. So, yes, he took zero $ of his own and put together the group that bought the Phils, making himself wealthy. And, he is a charitable, and by all accounts, good man. But, his influence on the organization’s approaches are still negatively felt today.

  30. MLB.com put out their top 100 prospect list . . . We have 3 guys on the list and are the obvious ones . . . Crawford at 21, Nola at 37 and Franco at 55.

    Other interesting rankings . . .

    Seager at 7 and Urias at 8, Pederson at 13, Blake Swihart at 18 Henry Owens at 19 . . Austin Hedged 51, Targets for Hamels.

    Domingo Santana former Phillies prospect now Astros prospect who was moved in the Pence trade at 71.

    Byron Buxton at 1, Kris Bryant at 2, Carlos Correa at 3

    1. I didn’t realize that Betts, Swihart, and Owens were all from the same draft in 2011 along with Bradley. That’s crazy.

      1. I think Ruf will have a chance in spring training to play himself into an every day job. That’s all a player can ask for. He has hit righties just fine at times and the lineup badly needs another right handed bat so he’ll get a shot. If he wins a spot, he could bat 4th with Howard or Sizemore 5th. I do believe that Galvis should be anchored in that 8th spot except when Rupp plays.

        1. Ruf does have one drawback…his K rate is typically high….but he does have a decent OBP to compensate..go figure.

        2. I’m sure Ruf will get a shot. However, I still don’t think management is going to give up on Howard if he’s on the team, until they can get a buyer or it’s clear that they won’t be able to get rid of him this year. Platooning him gives him the absolute best chance at success, and maybe they’ll find a suitor in need of a DH.

          I think our best lineup DOES include Ruf at 1B or LF.

  31. Revere, sizemore, Utley, howard, cooch, Brown, Asche/ Franco, Galvis. Pitcher. 2 Revere, cooch, Utley, Howard, Francoeur, Franco, sizemore, ss, p . I don’t Galvis above 8 spot he hit .178 last yr and has a .218 ba for his career. I think there’s going to be a platoon at ss .if Galvis has a bad spring he could be moved to bench position.

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