PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #22

Zach Green has been  selected the #21 prospect in the Organization.  Green received 71 of 260 votes cast (27%).  Seve Gonzalez finished with 40 votes.

The selections so far are listed below.

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Aaron Nola
  3. Maikel Franco
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Zach Eflin
  6. Ben Lively
  7. Jesse Biddle
  8. Kelly Dugan
  9. Tom Windle
  10. Yoel Mecias
  11. Deivi Grullon
  12. Matt Imhof
  13. Dylan Cozens
  14. Carlos Tocci
  15. Odubel Herrera
  16. Aaron Altherr
  17. Aaron Brown
  18. Franklyn Kilome
  19. Victor Arano
  20. Andrew Knapp
  21. Zach Green

The poll for #22 is up next.

45 thoughts on “PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #22

    1. Hope I’m wrong but Hoskins seems just like the next Rizzotti. He gets us all excited with his power and then tops out at AA. Let’s see what he does in a pitcher’s league in CW (unless he goes to Lakewood which is also not a HR hitters’ paradise). I would rather go with a younger prospect who can develop here over Hoskins.

        1. I meant he will show power up to certain level but not make the big jumps from AA to AAA to MLB. While it is very early with him only having one short-season under his belt, his stats didn’t impress (.237, 54 K’s in 245 AB’s vs 21 Walks). I do seem to recall he picked it up towards the end of the season and he did finish with 9 HR’s. Hopefully, his struggles stemmed from the adjustment to wood bats though that doesn’t affect his plate discipline. As I said, I hope I’m wrong.

        2. who gave this a thumbs up ? bad auto spell error and just a meaningless point about why a guy isnt who we all think he will be like

      1. I hope Hoskins has a future, but he was the classic Phillies’ “let’s find another Ryan Howard” pick. After Howard made it, the Phillies seemed to make a consious choice, on a semi-annual basis, to pick a college first baseman with one of the 4th-7th picks (typically 5th). We have Rizzotti, Charlie Yarbrough, Jeremy Hamilton, Chris Serritella and now Rhys Hoskins to show for that grand strategery – Marti Woelever had his moments, but it was clearly time for him to go.

    1. Encarnacion received a mil dollar signing bonus . There all very talented young hitters with a lot of upside.Pujols and Encarnacion have plus power .

    2. Encarnacion likely to be limited to 1B, possibly LF. The others are more versatile. It is way too early to see what we have in Encarnacion, but the bat has to be REALLY special for him to contribute in Philadelphia. Tromp isn’t all that young anymore, 4 years older than Encarnacion. He showed a lot of power in NYP but has basically bombed in two attempts at Lakewood.

  1. Pinto again. There are a lot of guys who would be reasonable picks here, but I like his combo of present ability and future potential. The other choices seem to be farther off to one end or the other (floor vs. ceiling).

    1. Pinto seems to be the only guy in the system with the potential to be a #1. Note I said potential. He has a lot of development to do before he can truly be called a #1.

      1. Interesting you say that – I think most of the scouting-type websites would put Kilome’s ceiling higher than Pinto’s.

  2. Here I think the top guys are Jes and Sev (voted Sev), but I thought it would be useful to think about the guy we totally missed last year. Getting exactly 0 votes through our entire process was one Mario Hollands. Although he was a replacement level major leager in 2014, I think he has upside to be a decent middle of the bullpen major leaguer, worth more than the other 20-30 prospects combined. And way more than any of us expected. So who is this years Mario Hollands? Sev seems like one candidate, but the other I’d nominate is Hoby Milner. Or maybe Cam Perkins. Any other suggestions?

    1. If I had to bet on one guy off the radar screen to make the major league roster out of spring training in some form or fashion it would be Adam Morgan. Also, Nefi Ogando is getting very little love for a guy who throws 100 mph and had a pretty dominant AFL. If I didn’t have one or two guys ahead of him on my personal list that I am still voting for I would definitely be arguing for Ogando right now.

      Also, I don’t think he’s Mario Hollands, but I am surprised that Chris Oliver has gotten so little support even here at the back of the list. A 4th round pick who some thought was a 2nd round talent until the DUI. I don’t see how he makes the reader Top 30 at this point but I could easily see him being someone who everyone starts getting very excited about in, say, May, after a string of good starts in Lakewood.

      1. That would be great for Morgan if he may the roster out of spring training, and it will be a true testament to modern medical science.
        But seriously doubt that he can overcome that shoulder surgery within the next two months and pitch to win a roster spot..

        1. The scenario would basically be exactly the same as the one that allowed Hollands to make the team last year: shows up for Spring Training having recovered some semblance of his former self and makes the team as a LOOGY/mop up guy/emergency starter. The fact that he’s already on the 40-man gives him an edge, as does the fact he’s lefthanded and can pitch multiple innings (presumably). If Hollands is still hurt or ineffective, then the other contenders for second lefty are Cesar Jimenez and a bunch of guys who have never made it out of AA (Araujo, Andy Oliver, Joely Rodriguez). There is probably someone not on the 40-man I am forgetting, but the point is: there’s a very definite scenario where a reasonably healthy Adam Morgan has a chance to compete for the last spot in the bullpen on a team that is going to lose 100 games. Of course, that all goes out the window if he is not in fact reasonably healthy, which he may not be.

      2. I have both Ogando and Oliver in my top 30, near the end, but the way the list is going I doubt I’ll get to vote for them.

      3. Morgan? No way. I’ll bet he starts the season in Extended to get some work in where its warm before he gets sent to LHV. He’s missed the better part of 2 seasons and had no fastball to speak of when he came back last year, which is not that bad if it just means he’s rusty but who knows at this point. Let’s just hope he makes it back into the LHV rotation and is healthy. That would be huge.

        1. I saw Mitch Rupert tweeted that Joe Jordan said he expected Morgan to come to Spring Training healthy and to compete for a job. Maybe he’s just saying that, but doesn’t sound like they’re planning to send him to EST.

    2. Here’s another oversight of our top 30. David Buchanan never cracked our top 30. Ever. He was drafted in 2010. He was under the radar as he moved up the ladder. Worley, Cozart, Colvin, Pettibone and others got their due but not Buchanan. Even if he is a #5 starter his whole baseball life, he will end up being far more accomplished than most of the guys we’ve already voted for or will vote for.

      1. I don’t think you can call Buchanan an oversight. Pitchers with his statistical/scouting profile in the minors almost never have any success in the majors. I hope I’m wrong, but I think he’s probably provided most of his big league value already. Great story though.

    3. I hope we don’t pick a guy who we think can rise “all the way up” to middle reliever. In other words, that’s not that great to me. We have lots of guys who I expect can ultimately reach the majors as a middle man. Plus, Hollands’ arm broke down near the end of the season and I’m not sure he even makes this year’s team.

      1. I don’t think that Erich was suggesting we vote for someone like Mario Hollands. He was just asking a question that is worth asking, which is whether there’s a guy who’s not on the list who might end up coming out of nowhere like Hollands did. I think there are a couple this year. Which is a function of the farm system getting a little deeper and the major league team getting much, much, much worse.

    4. I agree with Milner. He has pitched well each year, but contributors left him completely off the AAA and AA rosters when they thought of starting pitchers. I think he will start at Reading, but could move to AAA during the season.

  3. I went with Seve in this spot. Right now he’s better than Biddle and we put Biddle in the #7 slot. Certainly there’s a lot of hope and prayers that Biddle will jump back in and really produce.

    After Seve, I have Valentin. I see Sandberg is getting more votes but wanted to match them up to see who is a better choice. Valentin is 7 months older than Cord. Jes was a 1st round choice where Cord was a 3rd rounder. Jes has played as high as A+. Cord has only reached A-. Valentin’s progression has revealed a bit of a pattern. In his 1st season he played in Rookie Ball. He hit poorly but his OBP was very good. He started the 2nd season in a Rookie League again and hit .284 with a .379 OBP. He was jumped all the way to A ball. Again he seemed to struggle in a very short season hitting .212 but with a .325 OBP. Last year, he started in A ball and went back to hitting .280 with a .349 OBP. When the Phillies picked him up, he went to A+. In an extremely short season at A+ he barely hit .200. But do you see the pattern? If he hits .280 with a .350 OBP in A+ this year, where would he go on the top 30? Cord, on the other hand, hit .207 and .235 in Rk and A- respectively. Jes also had a better SLG % than Cord.

    I like Cord Sandberg but he’s around #25 for me. Valentin is #19 on my list right now.

    1. I know what you are saying Bellman, Valentin is probably not getting the proper due given his youth and performance. Then again, Sandberg has bigger tools than Valentin. I think it is a matter of preference at this point. I happen to prefer the young pitchers who have done well and have solid scouting reports.

    2. To me (I took Cord here) this comes down to Sandberg’s potential for power and his athleticism in the OF vs a 2B only guy, which we’ve talked about many times. Valentin is borderline right now on whether he can be a major league 2B or whether he’ll be a utility guy. Also, while Cord is only a little younger, he’s much less experienced and that affords the question, what will he become as he gains that experience. Valentin looks more like a finished product who is good but not great. We’re back to the ceiling vs liklihood question. Cord has a higher ceilng but is less likely to reach it than Valentin.

  4. Is Tommy Joseph a lost cause at this point? Top 5 prospect to barely getting any consideration as a result of the concussions? Is he going to catch to start the year?

    1. As far as I know he’s still a catcher and he’ll probably be playing in Reading. I haven’t really heard anything about his wrist injury but I’m hoping it’s healed. While I don’t think he’s a lost cause, I find it hard to justify having him in the top 30 right now because of the injuries.

    2. Joseph is another guy who, if the injury stuff is sorted out, could end up making this list look silly come July or so. Instead of going Top 40, as Jim (I think jokingly) suggested, we should do a vote on our sleepers. Each person picks a pitcher and a hitter outside the Top 30 who will either play their way to the majors to or legitimate prospect status by the end of the year. I have quite a few potential nominees this year.

  5. I’m glad to vote for Severino Gonzalez. Ricardo Pinto is my next pick. He belongs in the top 30 for those who like upside. He also has good results. This is the right spot for a pitcher so good, but far away. I also like Keys and Alezones, two lefties with good stuff and good results in GCL I think we will be talking about them. I agree that Jesmuel Valentin has pedigree and has learned as he has progressed up the ladder of the minor leagues. Until Sandberg shows that he can maintain his hitting through the season, he will not be on my list. I like Tromp too. I’m looking for breakout years for him, Keys and Alezones this year.

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