50 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 30 July 2011

  1. PP question: keeping this in the realm of minor leaguers how would you compare Zieds’ attributes to Stutes’. Zied seems to be getting a raw deal in media A’s he seems like decent future MLB reliever.

    1. This was tweeted earlier Saturday by Ken Rosenthal: “@Ken_Rosenthal: Two scouts say 3rd player in Pence trade, RHP Josh Zeid, ready for bigs now in ‘pen. “I’d kill to get Zeid,” one says. #tradedeadline #MLB”

      1. Very interesting. While I thought Zeid had deceent potential, I surely did not have this perspective. If this is true about Zeid, the Astros have to be thrilled with the Pence deal.

      2. I’d hope to feel better and better about this trade but I’m so far only feeling worse. Waiting until the end of the season to hear the other ptbnl is going to suck.

        I’m also surprised to hear that about Zeid. I thought he had a fastball but have never heard anything about secondary pitches which I assume he must have for any scouts to be that high on him.

        1. His slider was always a deadly out pitch for him. Even when he was working as a starter here in Williamsport, it was filthy. I’m thinking it’ll be even more effective working out of a Major League bullpen.

  2. I guess we are going to have to expect these kinds of lines from Brown until he goes back up to the majors, I expect his BB/K rate to be astronomical. The hopeful good news is that his defense has improved by the time he is up again

    1. Defense for Brown, Yes. Necessary. He plays a little too “loose” because he has long arms and legs, like a string bean with a whip in hand.

      My hope is that he can shorten his swing; otherwise it has to start too soon, disallowing the ball to get deeper in the hitting zone where it can be better hit. It is rarely that I’ve seen him on the ball with his swing. It’s a minor miracle that he’s still been able to hit at .250. Just think what it could be if he squared up the ball with that shorter swing. Some time at LV should be about that as well as playing LF.

      P.S. As an aside, IMO the Phils future slugging baseman post-Howard will be the guy who should be signed soon: Larry Green. The wailing about the loss of Singleton will disappear as his power numbers grow in the minors.

      No negativity about Singleton; it’s just that Green is baseball built to be a power guy and Singleton could develop good power too…and might have a bigger BA, but not as much as Green whose OBA might also be higher because Green can also rake w/o HRs.

      The future inevitable comparison should be fun. Sing is 2 years ahead of Green but Green could be ready just as Howard’s contract runs out.

      1. Unless Greene can put up half of the walk rate Singleton has I won’t feel nearly as good about his chances.

  3. Astudillo with another good game.
    Disastrous start for Stewart. Two walks for Pointer is alright.
    Home run Franco, that’s nice. Martinez hitless but on base twice, could be far worse.
    Valle walks! Jiwan James needs baserunning help. Success rate of 67% is awful. No offensive use to being fast if you’re getting thrown out or picked off all the time.
    Good 3/8 night for Galvis. Good start Cloyd.
    Oh, look, Brown on base three times. Great outing for Savery. Actually the whole LHV bullpen put up nice lines tonight.

  4. Good news, Chuck LaMar says the that Ty Gillies is due back from his ankle injury in August. Y’all remember him!

  5. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.341) 1 for 3 with 2 BB, K
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.316) – 0 for 3 with a BB
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.264) – 1 for 4 with a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.263) 0 for 4 with a K
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (REA-8/16/88) – (8-11, 4.34) – 6 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 7 K (loss)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.278) – 2 for 4 with a CS (3)
    16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (CLW-7/19/90) – (8-8, 2.89) – 6 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, BB, 2 K’s (loss)
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.270) – 1 for 3 with a HR (3), RBI (28), BB, K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.279) – 1 for 4 with a K, CS (10)
    21. RHP – Colby Shreve (LWD-1/15/88) – (5-5, 2.91, 1 SV) – 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K (win)
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (LHV-1/7/89) – (0-0, 2.70, 1 SV) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB, 2 K’s
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (LHV-2/19/86) – (7-1, 1.79, 6 SV) – 0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.292) – 2 for 6 with an 2 RBI (64), 2 K’s
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (LWD-8/27/89) –(.258) – 0 for 1 with a run
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.291) – 1 for 3 with a run, BB, 2 K’s


    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.226) 2 for 4 with a 2B (6), K
    2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.203) 1 for 3 with a HR (2), 2 RBI (13), K
    2B – Carlos Valenzuela (GCL-9/18/90) – (.325)- 0 for 3 with a run, 2 BB, RBI (10)
    2B – Alejandro Villalobos (GCL/8/20/91) – (.296) 0 for 4 with a run
    3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) –(.279) 2 for 5 with a 2B (28), 3 RBI (52), 2 K’s
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.247) 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.273) – 1 for 4 with a HR (2), RBI (27), K
    3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.278) – 0 for 2 with a BB, K
    3B – Willians Astudillo (VSL-10/14/91) –(.366) 2 for 3 with a 2B (8), RBI (25), BB
    SS – Freddy Galvis (REA-11/14/89) – (.272) –3 for 8 with 2 runs, SB (19), CS (11)
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.252) 1 for 2 with a run, RBI (41), BB
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.272) – 1 for 6 with 2 K’s
    OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.267) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (20), run, RBI (23), 2 K’s
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.238) – 1 for 4 with a run, K
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.264) – 1 for 4
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL-6/10/94) – (.275) – 0 for 2 with a BB
    LHP – Joe Savery (LHV-11/4/85) – (2-0, 4.32) –1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K’s
    LHP – Ervis Manzanillo (LWD/8/25/91) – (7-4, 4.92) – 5 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 Bb, 5 K
    RHP – Tyler Cloyd (REA-5/16/87) – (3-3, 3.36) – 5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
    RHP – Justin Friend (REA-6/21/86) – (0-2, 2.51, 7 SV) – 0.1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB, K (loss)
    RHP – Mike Nesseth (WIL-4/19/88) – (3-2, 2.38) 4 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

  6. I’m concerned about Brown’s transition to leftfield. Will it affect his hitting the way the position change affected Singelton? (By the way, I have no idea why someone would start to press as a hitter because of a position change). Apart from that, I have no doubt he will tear up triple A pitching.
    Point well taken. Brown needs to work on his defense and, yes, he needs to center the ball more. At the same time, if you project his 2011 numbers for a whole season, he has a solid .250, 15, and 60 RBI’s, roughly. Add to this his speed and walks. (Which is why I don’t know why Brookover wants to place him below Singleton and Cosart based on this year’s performance. Those two have not proved themselves beyond high-A, whereas Brown has proved that he can be at least a solid everyday player in the bigs. It astonsihes and pains me how much flak Brown has taken from pundits like Mitch Williams and Ricky Botallico and fans in his brief career.) Assuming he didn’t get better as the season continued. But the Phillies stance on him is sound. He made a mistake everyday. It would not be good to have him doing this in the crunch time of the season. Not good for the team or him. However, the path to the bigs is wide open given his change to left.
    Saw Aumont yesterday. A 6’8″ beast who manhandles hitters. Command inconsistent though. He needs to get that wicked curveball over. Kinbrel-like arm.
    Another guy who jumped out was Moss. He mauled a fastball, the ball jumped violently off of his bat.

    1. I love Aumont as a prospect. I think he’s going to have a bright future for us.

      I wouldn’t worry about the transition to left field. Singleton struggled because he felt like he was out of the game, meaning he had more time to think about a bad at bat or what not, that’s why he moved back over to first (among other things).

      Dom’s played left before, it’s just a matter of him learning routes and things of that nature, things he still had to learn for right field anyway.

      1. Aumont is very underrated, both by posters on this site and by the commentators. He has an enormous upside. I sure as heck wish they could transition him back to being a starter, but perhaps that ship has sailed. But even as a reliever – wow – what beast.

        1. I think reliever is the spot for him. He has had a great bounce back year. He is still young and could see him in the back end of the Phils pen for many yrs, whether his is a 7th inning,8th inning or closer.

  7. Is M. Alvarez the PTBNL? Removed early from Friday’s game and not in the Lineup yesterday.

    1. Astros have until August 31 to make a decision. I doubt they made it this early.

    2. Alvarez is not always in the Lakewood line-up. Truby mixes it up. Collier is out there most of the time followed by Santana, Hewitt, Alvarez and Mendez. Couple of the names mentioned in the Inquirer could be Bonilla or Castillo.

  8. Rupp wit a homer last night – only his third on the year but he was abysmal for the first few months of the season. Now he’s at .270. I thought that he was a power hitter in college so we may see some power show up in him yet.

    Still, I would say he has redeemed his season, especially if he’s pretty capable defensively (as has been reported). Is he still a top 30 guy? Maybe he’s at the bottom end, but I think so.


    1. Depends how he finishes, but I think hes still a Top 30 guy, though maybe in the 25-30 range.

      Because of his Texas roots, it wouldn’t shock me if he is on “the list” that Houston has

      1. That would make sense because isn’t there a restriction on trading players drafted in the last year?

        1. A player can not be traded until one year after his signing date.. That’s why the Indians prospect Drew Pomeranz can not be announced until 8/15/11 (the Jimenez trade).

  9. I see Mario Hollands is back in the rotation for Lakewood per their website. I hope that means Buchanan is moving up. The kid is having a great year and deserves it. I think he could make that jump to Reading next yr with May, Pettibone, Colvin, and Rodriguez. Does anybody see any other moves coming?

    1. Personally, I would start Pettibone or Colvin again at CLW for the first two months—if perform as expected, then a move up in June 2012 to Reading.

      1. Pettibone has an ERA below 3. He has run into a rough patch lately but he should start at Reading in 2012. The only thing that should keep Colvin back would be injuries. He is still a top 10 prospect.

  10. Not sure you can put the trade talks to rest until September since its still possible to trade prospects for major leaguers who clear waivers in August

  11. The PTBNL could be a draft pick this year and not available until next. That has been done right?

    1. The PTBNL has a 6 month window before it becomes cash. This excluded this years draft picks, additionally the PTBNL must have been discussed during the trade negotiations.

  12. Whether Houston has the choice of ANY Phils player at Lakewood is unlikely in my opinion. Reuben may have excluded a few of them there, and I hope Rupp is among those few.

    It would be foolish of Reuben to put Rupp at risk when he is the only backup to Valle’s promise of a future catcher for the team.

    We’ll find out soon enough.

  13. Update on Matt Way: Gorm Heimueller relates Matt Way’s back has not come around like they have hoped. Still hopeful for some instructional work this fall.

  14. I think Rube said yesterday that Houston has a list of ten players to choose from and it has to be done by August 31st. And I read somewhere that Biddle is not one of the ten. So, I guess we’ll see.

  15. Ok Heilman is a stiff..lets cut him and bring in someone who can get an out. Call up Rosenberg or Cisco or Friend

    1. JIm Crane officially takes over for the ‘Stros this month—Ed may not be there to do the picking by 31 August. Crane, a no-nonsense guy, order payroll to be chop to $60/65M and will surely make other front office moves, including Ed. Not to worry, though, Ed has a job lined-up in Philly as long as Dave Montgomery and RAJ are here.

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