Box Score Recap, 24 July 2011

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53 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 24 July 2011”

  1. Seeing James getting his average up to 287 and Rupp now at 270 add to the excitement and joy of my 10+ a day checkups on this site. I dont remember life before PhuturePhillies.

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    1. James is really finding his groove. Proving yet again, you can’t judge a prospect too quickly when he jumps a level.

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    2. James’s July line: .368/.467/.474. His walk rate has doubled this month compared to the rest of the year. To me that is the most important development in July. Other than that he has cut down on groundballs and increased his line drives, leading to a BABIP of .459. BABIPs can go up and down (and you can guess which way this one is going to go), but an improved batting eye can be more permanent. Let’s hope his walk rate this month isn’t a fluke and that he keeps making solid contact.

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      1. James is number ten on Jon Mayo’s Phillies prospects watch…….may draw interest from other MLB clubs this week.

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  2. Two more SB for Hewitt, is there anyway to send him to the plate w/o a bat, he might walk more and strike out less. At this point I would promote him to Clearwater and tell him to just trail Singleton around and if just 10% on Singleton’s plate discipline rubbed off he would at least be an interesting player.

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  3. Nice game for Franco. Decent line for Nesseth. Another hit for Martinez- he’s having a great July.
    Good games for Rupp, Santana, and Collier. I wish Hewitt could actually hit because he’s really piling up steals, and he’s not getting caught much. Ugly walk numbers but good results for Manzanillo.
    Great hitting line for Jiwan James tonight- shame he got caught stealing home. Valle walks! And doubles, and catches a guy stealing. Sweet. Trevor May had a really nice game there- 11 Ks and 6 groundouts is outstanding.
    Bad start for JC Ramirez.
    Nice relief line for DeFratus.

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      1. He’ll get pushed up by the CWater rotation coming up behind him unless one of them is traded this week. I suppose Colvin could be left behind after his season.

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        1. (un)educated guess…..Galvis, Hyatt and possibly Ramirez to Lehigh Valley after August 1st…Pettibone, Rodriguez and possibly May to Reading.

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  4. Rankings of the position player prospects on the Lakewood team: 1) Santana 2)Collier 3)Rupp, Santana, because at a very young age has shown flashes of power and has more than held his own. 2) Collier, because he has been consistently productive after a slow start due to long absence due to injury, can run, plays a key defensive position, but has yet to show projected power though he is older than Santana. 3) Rupp has been on a tear latety, but did nothing for much of the season. He is also a 22 year old college player, though he is not repeating Lakewood like Collier and Santana. He has yet to show power. As for Hewitt, I used to pull for this guy, but after a long stretch of dissapointments, you get tired of the emotional pain, and I am no longer a fan.

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    1. Dom Santana—don’t get me wrong, but have you seen him up close? i believe his August 5th as his day of birth—but the 1992 year I question. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a 1990 birth year—–maybe Donald Trump could look into it!

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      1. I have seen him up close he looks a little older than what they say BUT then again you can’t always tell how old someone is by the way they look.

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        1. Bill—–you can—-I am sure you have seen thousands of 18-year olds and thousands of 21/22- year olds—and you can tell the difference. It will be a real travesty if Domingo is really 21/22-years old or older.

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          1. Yes…and among those thousands I’ve seen 21/22 year-old kids that look like their 18, and I’ve seen 18 year-old kids that look like they are 21/22. The point is that you don’t know, and to presume that you do is ignorant at best.

            Falsifying these types of documents has become much more difficult since Sept 11th. Not to mention the fact that there is no real history of stuff like this happening in the Phillies system. The only example that folks are aware of was two young SS’s who had their bonus money taken away when their correct ages were found.

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          2. I see thousands of ID’s every weekend as a part-time bouncer and there are plenty of 21/22 year olds who look 18 and 18 year olds who look 21/22

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  5. Seeing James rake like this is great. I’m taking my kids to Lakewood tomorrow. I’m looking forward to seeing Rupp and Collier in person.

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  7. I am not an expert and I don’t see them play. That being said, I check/read this site as much as anyone. In my opinion, may is our best pitching prospect. Does anyone else agree or am I the lone idiot?

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    1. You’re entitled to your opinion. That’s what this site is all about. If you just read box scores and don’t get 1st hand information, either by going to a game or two or reading write-ups from people who’ve seen the pitchers, you could get the impression that May is the best prospect pitcher the Phils have. But May is a year older than Cosart and Colvin and if you take into account their electric pitches (Colvin is having a tough year so far) or even Biddle’s abilities, you might have a tougher time putting May as #1. But May can strike anyone out at any time. He can get himself out of a jam without any need for fielders. That can take him a long way and make him a Major League starter. Whether he’s a #2 or #5 is what we can debate all day. Cosart or Colvin probably are between #1 and #3 starters. Of course the usual caveats apply: Guys in A+ are just as likely to fizzle out as make a big splash in the Majors and pitchers can get injured and become ordinary at a moment’s notice.

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    2. The big concern with May is his walks. It is going in the right direction. But not yet where it needs to be. Until/unless he gets better command, he will struggle at the upper levels. Want a good comp, go look at Rick Ankiel’s stats. He had insane K rates but also high walk rates. Insane stuff but they would just wait him out in the majors. To me, May is a poor mans Ankiel. And that is not a compliment. But I just hope he continues to improve.

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      1. May walked 60 in one half of one season. In his last full season plus, his walls have been in the low to mid 3s per 9. You act like he walks as many as he strikes out. Pitchers don’t stay the same, they improve.
        Also may is 10 months only than Colvin and 8 months older than Cosart. Cosart and may were drafted the same year. You assume that he’s older because he has pitched more, but he’s not.

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      2. Ankiel’s Walk Numbers were never that bad until he had a Mental Collapse.
        Sometime’s that just happens with pitchers.

        That being said, I agree with you in Principle.
        As May moves up, hitters will become more and more selective.
        His walks will go up and Ks down, unless he is able to control his pitches better.

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    3. Bases solely on performance, I too would rank May as our number one pitching prospect. Throwing in his pretty clean bill of health (vs. Cosart) boost my opinion. However, performance in the minors isn’t always the best indicator as to how good a prospect somebody is, so it is perfectly understandable why many people rank Cosart higher.

      One question that occurred to me as I type: What does May’s delivery look like? I’ve heard reports from hear as well as scouts that have said that Cosart’s delivery isn’t that great.

      – Jeff

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    4. You could even make the argument that Jesse Biddle is our #1 pitching prospect.

      In my opinion, my top 10 pitching prospects in our system would go:
      1. Cosart
      2. Biddle
      3. May
      4. Colvin
      5. Bonilla
      6. DeFratus
      7. Pettibone
      8. Ramirez
      9. Aumont
      10. Schwimmer

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      1. I also agree May is our number 1 pitching prospect at this point. I think his stuff is MLB ready at the moment. Having said that I don’t know anything about his make-up and what kind of kid he is.

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      2. I agree with everything there with the exception that I would have Pettibone at #5, he just has the feel for pitching that is hard to teach. Cosarts stuff is just to far ahead of May to have the stats make up for it, especially considering Cosart has come out and said that he isn’t looking to strike out batters (pitching to contact) in an effort to throw more innings this year. May is a really good prospect but his upside is a 2 if you are really optimistic, he does seem to have the least risk of everyone but Pettibone (who looks to be a lock to be at least a #4.

        If you are looking at upside, Biddle if he cuts down the walks and maybe picks up 1-2 more MPH on the FB (he has the frame to fill in more) could be great. I would have him talking to Hamels and Lee in the Spring about a good change-up and maybe a cutter eventually>

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        1. I’m not sure what it is about Hyatt that doesn’t impress me, but I guess it is the lack of scouting reports. That said, his stats sure do look good. He’s just going to have to be one of those guys that continues to show it at every level.

          Another name I’m surprised hasn’t popped up in this conversation is JRod.

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        2. I like Austin Hyatt, but he doesn’t have the cieling these guys do. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him develop into a solid Kris Medlen tyle.

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        1. I think he needs to have success at the upper levels of the system. He doesn’t really have the stuff now.

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        2. That said, Hyatt and Rodriguez are probably 11 and 12. This system is so deep with pitching that you can’t go wrong with any ranking.

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    5. I don’t agree, but it’s hardly an idiotic opinion. May’s ability to K batters is impressive, his control is improving and his clean bill of health for the past few seasons is very nice. Given the season Colvin’s been having, I’d rank May higher and I think the case can be made, due to success and, more importantly, May’s durability, that he’s a better prospect than Cosart.

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      1. Yes but everyone forgets that May is repeating a level…Even Keith Law had said that the expectations for a prospect repeating a level are extremely high the 2nd time around, that’s why I wouldn’t put him ahead of the C’s yet. Also heard he is wild w/in the zone, and over time as you move up a level, better hitters will exploit that.

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  8. The Lee thing was so up in the beginning of the year. Now JC has us waiting for next year.
    May hmmm. Each to his own but the Ks mark him as high a ceiling as anyone. Hopefully control is just a winter away.

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  9. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (PHI-9/13/87) – (.247) 1 for 4 with a run, K
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (CLW-8/18/91)- (.284) –2 for 4 with a run, RBI (45), K
    5. RHP – Trevor May (CLW-9/23/89)- (7-6, 3.54) – 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 11 K’s (win)
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.319) – 1 for 3 with 2B (16), BB
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (LHV-10/21/87) – (2-0, 4.95, 1 SV) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB, 2 K’s
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.260) – 0 for 4 with a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.263) 1 for 3 with a 2B (22), 2 runs, BB
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (REA-8/16/88) – (8-10, 4.25) – 5 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 6 K’s (loss)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.273) – 0 for 5 with a K
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.270) – 2 for 3 with 3 RBI (25), K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.287) – 3 for 4 with 2 2B (23), 3B (6), 2 runs, RBI (22), CS (9)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.294) – 1 for 4 with a K
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.259) – 1 for 5 with 2 K’s

    Others:

    2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.203) 1 for 4 with a 2B (7), run
    3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) – 1 for 4 with a K
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.237) 0 for 4 with a K
    3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.276) –2 for 3 with an RBI (23), BB
    3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.291) – 1 for 4 with an RBI (13)
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.254) 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.281) – 0 for 4 with a K
    OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.272) – 1 for 3 with a BB, SB (26)
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.237) – 0 for 3 with a run, 2 SB (25), K
    OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.266) – 2 for 3 with a SB (16), run, 2 RBI (11)
    LHP – Ervis Manzanillo (LWD/8/25/91) – (7-4, 4.79) – 4.1 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 6 K’s
    RHP – Juary Gomez (WIL-5/23/90) – (3-0, 1.93, 6 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K (save)
    RHP – Mike Nesseth (WIL-4/19/88) – (3-2, 2.40) 6 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, BB, 2 K’s (win)

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    1. Thanks gkketch, Look forward to reading your prospect and others list every morning. Like this format better than by position list.

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  10. Both Franko and Martinez have been putting up respectable numbers at Williamsport – the latter has been a bit more impressive due to his high BB%, but Franko’s walk numbers aren’t too shabby either. I’d like to see a few more XBH’s from both of them, but I think Lakewood and Clearwater are covered next year. I know we have a few people who catch the Crosscutters in action – how do their gloves look?

    – Jeff

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    1. I know that when Martinez was drafted that his glove was one of his best tools.

      I’m not sure about Franco but I think reports on him were positive?

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      1. HOF Bill Conlin raves about his glove and his future and he has seen him in action 25/30 times..

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    2. Martinez looks really smooth at the hot corner some scouts say his glove is almost major league ready. Maikel looks good there too just not as smooth as HMart.

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    3. Both are tremendous defensively. I’d probably say Martinez is a little more textbook, but Franco can give you a bit more of the spectacular. Anybody who saw Anthony Hewitt play third base understood the kind of plus arm strength he had, and Franco has that but with the accuracy to hit the first baseman in the chest on most of his throws. My favorite part of watching batting practice is watching the coaching staff making Franco range deep in the hole and deep down the line to try and get a ball past him. It wasn’t until last week that I finally saw them get one past him in State College.

      The big thing I’ve noticed from Martinez is that he has the ability to make the play where he’s charging in and bare-hands a slow roller and throws off-balance to first. I’m a firm believer that you can either make that play or not and it really can’t be taught. A couple weeks ago he made the play in back to back innings. What’s impressive is he makes it looks so easy, and we all obviously know that it’s not very easy. If he has the arm strength of Franco he doesn’t show it off the way Maikel does. I’d say it’s above average and deadly accurate. Franco just has the Ken Caminiti, throw a bullet while sitting on your butt while sitting on the third-base line kind of arm strength.

      But really, trying to figure out which one is better defensively is like asking whether Anne Hathaway or Olivia Wilde is more attractive.

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      1. I dont think Anne Hathaway is that attractive but if either one of these players can be smokin like Olivia Wilde we’ll have a hall of fame 3b again.

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      2. Thanks for posting. I always enjoy reading your accounts of the players at Williamsport.

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  13. Also, Bob Stumpo has been doing pretty good. It seems like he is finally getting some playing time. He is really old for Williamsport so he should move up.

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