83 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 20 July 2011

  1. Wow, Rupp has been on fire. He’s up to .269. I’m hoping that he can make the majors and be Valle’s backup in Philly in a few years.

    1. Could be reversed—-Rupp starting and Valle backing up. Rupp has a proto-typical body type for that position for the long haul.

  2. Boom.

    1. OF – Domonic Brown (PHI-9/13/87) – (.247) 1 for 3 with a run, 2 BB and 2 K’s
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (CLW-8/18/91)- (.278) –1 for 4
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.317) – 2 for 4 with 2 K’s
    8. RHP – Vance Worley (PHI-9/25/87) – (6-1, 2.02) – 8 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB and 7 K’s (win)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.256) – 0 for 3 with a BB, SB (13) and 2 K’s
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.262) 1 for 4 with a 3B (4), run, RBI (28)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.284) – 0 for 4 with a K
    16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (CLW-7/19/90) – (8-7, 2.80) – 6 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB and 5 K’s (loss)
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.269) – 3 for 3 with a run and 3 RBI (22)
    18. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.279) – 3 for 4 with a run, RBI (18) and a CS (8)
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (LHV-2/19/86) – (5-1, 1.82, 6 SV) – 1.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, BB and 4 K’s (loss)
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.297) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (24), run
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (LWD-8/27/89) –(.264) – 0 for 4 with a BB and 3 K’s
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.269) – 2 for 5


    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.214) 1 for 4 with a K
    2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.217) 2 for 5 with a 2B (6) and a run
    2B – Carlos Valenzuela (GCL-9/18/90) – (.321) 1 for 5 with a 2B (5) and a BB
    3B – Travis Mattair (LWD-12/21/88) – (.266) 0 for 4
    3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.242) –0 for 5 with 3 K’s
    3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.273) – 0 for 5
    SS – Freddy Galvis (REA-11/14/89) – (.260) –0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.255) 1 for 4 with a 2B (8), run, 2 RBI (37), BB and a K
    SS – Alejandro Villalobos (GCL/8/20/91) – (.318) 2 for 5 with a 2B (3), RBI (11) and SB (4)
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL-2/2/94) – (.288) – 1 for 4 with a SB (5) and a K
    OF – John Mayberry (PHI-12/21/83)- (.241) – 0 for 2 with a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.287) – 3 for 4 with a 2B (16)
    OF – Steve Susdorf (REA/3/28/86) – (.330) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (15), 2 RBI (34) and a K
    OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.271) – 1 for 4 with a 3B (5), run, RBI (20) and a K
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.235) – 0 for 2 with 2 runs and 2 SB (22)
    OF – Brian Pointer (GCL-1/28/92) (GCL) – (.277) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (9) and a K
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL-6/10/94) – (.292) – 1 for 4
    LHP – Fabian Cota (GCL-4/13/92) – (1-0, 2.70) 2 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    RHP – Tyler Cloyd (REA-5/16/87) – (3-3, 3.38) – 6 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 2 Er, 2 BB and 4 K’s (loss)
    RHP – Juan Sosa (CLW-10/11/89) – (0-0, 5.40) 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB and 0 K’s
    RHP – David Buchanan (LWD-5/11/89) – (10-5, 3.62) – 7 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB and 7 K’s (win)
    RHP – Juary Gomez (WIL-5/23/90) – (3-0, 2.01, 5 SV) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB and a K (save)
    RHP – Lino Martinez (WIL-9/17/92) – (3-2, 3.58) – 4 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB and 4 K’s
    RHP – Colton Murray (WIL-4/22/90) – (0-2, 5.06) 1.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB and a K (loss)

    1. Thx alot gkketch for returning to the top 30 and friends. Also thx for trying it the other way and always looking to improve but I like it this way better.

    2. I’m not sure how much more James has to do in A ball. I’m no expert, but I’d like to see him in Reading sooner rather than later.

      1. That would be ideal—-then, if James is elevated, movement has to be made with Mitchell/Susdorf, I would suppose to LHV.

        1. Mitchell will suprise a lot of people in a year or so , he’s just a very talented athlete that seems to have a little of everything,plus I here he’s a great young man.

      2. He’s over 400 in his last 10 games. James hit like crazy last year at this time also but he wasn’t able to sustain it. He’s such a great defensive OF, if he can get himself to be a 300 hitter with speed, he’ll have a real shot at a major league career. Mitchell certainly looks like a guy fighting to move up. he definitely looks like a 4th OF in major leagues right now (like Michaels).

  3. Bocock has been a hitting fool since he got taken off the 40. Plus a .400 obp for july
    Worley now has the lowest ERA of any starter. )

    1. Did I read somewhere (here?) that James gave up switch hitting, or was that someone else?

    2. I’ve been skeptical of him as a real prospect to follow, but he’s making me rethink things this year. He’s really only 1 year “too old” for his level which is excusable because of the time he lost while pitching. Not only is his average climbing but he’s showing a decent ability to draw walks too.

      1. ^^^^ This. As I said above, I’d like to see him in AA soon to see if he can sustain it. At his age, if he puts it all together it might all come together quickly.

  4. A few thoughts…

    1. Where would we rank Worley if we HAD to rank him as a prospect at the moment. I know all of this is a little bit of fool’s gold, but he’s been a Godsend for us. I’ve heard a few people say that there haven’t been a lot of big surprises this year, but Worley is as good as anything we could have hoped for. The one MLB ready pitching prospect among starters that we have has been a rock for a team down its No.4 and No.5.

    2. In a year from now. Santana is going to be playing in Clearwater at the age of 19 and he still projects as a 20-year old at Reading. He hasn’t exploded with his numbers, but I still salivate over his upside.

    3. Interesting to see what they do with Rupp, who is 22 months older, but clearly behind Valle in the pecking order, after showing some flashes in the last month. .407 in July.

    1. Worley and Bastardo. Two guys we severly under valued. Proving that you can’t overlook prospects who put up great numbers. Bastardo more than Worley, but even Worley had good stats a few years.

      1. As a collective, this site tends to under-value players close to the major league level in favor of the upside of younger players. Interestingly, this is focus on high ceilings mirrors the Phillies drafting strategy that so many have problems with.

        Perhaps it is not as sexy, but there is less consideration of, say, whether Susdorf could contribute off the bench in the majors some day.

        While nobody was predicting Worley and Bastardo would do what they have done this year, they were right under our noses. And, of course, Bastardo is a relief pitcher so many immediately discount his value.

        1. I think many on this site properly value relief pitchers. Bastardo has been phenomenal this year, putting up the gaudiest numbers of an Phillies pitcher. Yet, his war is 1.7 while Hamels’ war is 3.9, Halladay’s war is 4.8, Lee’s war is 3.9, and even Worley, who has only started 9 games, has a war of 1.7. This is why relief pitchers have inherently less value and why many on this site do not get as excited over a relief pitcher performing well. Finally, you must also consider that Bastardo is outperforming any and all expectations that any baseball fan could have of any rookie. That isn’t to say that Bastardo will necessarily come back down to earth (which of course he will, the question is what kind of performance constitutes his “earth”); but it is to say that when determining the value of a minor leaguer of any sort, the predicted performance should include a slight worsening of statistics overall as the minor leaguer moves up the ranks. The perfect example is Stutes, who I think many would agree is still exceeding the expectations of many minor leaguers and only has a war value of .5.

          1. Assuming I am understanding WAR correctly, does anybody want to defend the conclusion that if the Phillies had two average major league relievers instead of Stutes and Bastardo they would have only 2 or 3 fewer wins?

            1. Here’s how the argument would go. Bastardo has given up 4 runs in 36 innings. The league average reliever ERA is 3.58 this year, which is roughly 14 runs over those same innings. Stutes has a 3.25 ERA over 33 innings. That makes them, collectively, 11 runs better than average and about 20 runs better than ‘replacement’, your theoretical average AAAA journeyman. Some of those runs are going to be game winners but some are going to be irrelevant.

              WAR doesn’t work quite right for relief pitchers, though. Baez is more likely to be pitching in 8-2 games when a couple runs for either team are unlikely to make any difference. Bastardo is more likely to be pitching when it’s 2-1 or 3-3 and you really don’t want to give up another run.

          2. This is exactly what I don’t like about the new sabremetrics of baseball. I don’t need a made-up statistic like WAR to tell me whether or not someone is more or less valuable, or more or less valued. I watch the games. I’ve seen what kind of effect he’s had on this team by watching the game. Is he as valuable to the Phillies as Lee, Hamels or Halladay? Absolutely. Those outs in the seventh, eighth and ninth innings in tight spots with little margin for error count just as much as the ones in the first through seventh innings. This team is not in this position without Antonio Bastardo and Michael Stutes, and I don’t need WAR to tell me that.

            For the most part I think relief pitchers are going to be undervalued. Let’s face it. Most of the time relief pitchers are just failed starting pitchers. So as soon as we see these guys crap out as starters, their value is discounted.

            1. Don’s point about context is one of the problems with using WAR for relievers. Starters will throw innings on either side of blowouts infrequently, but you will never see a guy like Mariano Rivera in a 10-2 game. Key relievers only pitch in fairly close situations (medium- to high-leverage situations), which suggests that WPA (win percentage added) may be a better barometer of a reliever’s effectiveness. WPA is not a sabermetric stat – it is based on the results of MLB teams in specific situations. Whereas WAR assigns a value of 10 runs per win (WAR = RAR/10), the margin between contributing to a win and a loss is usually smaller than 10 runs for high-leverage relievers.

              WAR: 0.9
              WPA: 2.46 (keep in mind that .5 WPA wins a game)

              Despite its imperfections, WAR is still a useful stat for measuring production. It’s a “made-up statistic” in the same way that batting average is a made-up statistic. WAR just has more components than batting average. When anyone is evaluating a player’s impact s/he is using a form of WAR, just not the Fangraphs or Baseball Reference version. Sabermetrics just tries to quantify that impact using indicators of performance over which most players have some ability to control. Of course, there are going to be instances where sabermetric statistics are wrong (see Matt Cain), but they are fairly accurate in the majority of cases.

            2. Mitch, assuming Bastardo, Halladay, Hamels, and Lee are all identically talented pitchers, what do you think is more valuable-the pitcher who throws innings 1-7 or the pitcher that throws inning 8?

            3. Batting average and WAR are not the same types of statistics.Batting Average is a definite statistic. It tells the experimental probability of a certain player getting a hit. WAR is a compilation of several stats. It does not tell you one definite experimental probability. Some people are looking at it the wrong way. A person made up the formula for WAR and he could change it tomorrow. You can’t change the formula for batting average. Taking a basic college stats course would help a lot of you. And I’m not being sarcastic.

            4. @Anonymous: Where did I imply that WAR is a definite statistic? I’m saying that WAR and batting average both measure something that apparently has value when discussing the impact of players on a team’s performance. Someone decided that dividing hits by at-bats produces a relevant statistic. Someone else decided that putting together the components of WAR in a certain manner that spits out a new number produces another relevant statistic. My argument is that whatever you decide to use to gauge a player’s performance, whether it be BA, SLG, OPS, wOBA, etc. – that is a component of one’s own version of WAR. Notice that I stated WAR is an indefinite concept that varies from person to person in my original post?

              And I have taken college statistics courses. No need to be rude here.

            5. Al, I wasn’t speaking specifically to you. WAR is a useful Statistic. But it allows for a lot of interpretation. They’re a lot posters on here that treat it like comparing WAR numers and batting averages are the same. That is far from the truth. There is no interpretation in batting average. If player A has a higher batting average than player B, then player A has a higher experimental probability of getting a hit than player B. You can not make a statement like that using WAR.

      2. But Worley overall stats, thoiugh pretty decent, were not exceptional jumping out at you.
        Unfortunately, have seen his type of MLB explosion time before—-Marty Bystrom comes to mind right away. Normally everything levels off after a period of time and batters adjust. As JRoll said yesterday, he doesn’t have blazing stuff, but hides the ball well.

    2. Worley’s periphrerals indicate he’ll crash back down to earth next year. He has a low swinging strike % and lacks a true out pitch. Such pitchers usually see after a time or two around the league batters catching up to them. I see him as basically Kyle Kendrick, maybe a slight notch better, maybe not.

      Hope I’m wrong, but the scouts and hidden numbers agree on him, so I doubt it.

      1. Disagree. He’s due for a large readjustment, but what scouts think he’s the next Kyle Kendrick?

        Worley is a back-of-the-rotation starter, yes, but he’s got far more potential than KK.

        1. The same scouts which say that Worley is a 4th or 5th starter (as I saw in other PP threads). In a poor rotation, KK would probably be a starter, 4th or 5th. Worley might be a bit better than KK, but then again, maybe not. We’ll see what happens when hitters have a second go ’round at him. I suspect he won’t be the regular 5th starter next year for us.

          All I know is that when you look into their peripherals, they are pretty similar. Both are right handed groudball pitchers without an out pitch. Though Worley has a better ERA (2.02 to 3.34), this is largely the result of things which are generally considered to be out of a pitcher’s control, such as BABIP, HR/FB%, and LOB%. Assuming these periphs come back to earth for Worley, his actual numbers will do likewise, and he’ll quite likely look even more similar to KK.

          1. I agree that Worley’s performance to date is much better than where he will eventually land but he is definately better than Kendrick in that Worley has a ML fastball.

          2. Worley’s K/9 is around 7 for his career in the majors. Kendrick’s highest in a season was 5.13 in 2009 when he was working out of the bullpen. His career K/9 is under 4. Kendrick’s walk rate is lower, but not by enough to make up for striking out batters at half the rate that Worley does. The difference is that Worley has two ML-level breaking pitches, whereas Kendrick’s cutter/slider won’t generate many strikeouts. A better comp for Worley is J.A. Happ, though Worley has a significantly higher GB% and should do better as a result (his xFIP is under 4).

          1. JA Happ is definitely a better comp than KK. KK career K rate is 3.9. Please don’t try and comp Kendrick to Worley.

  5. Just gaining ground offensively, Rupp has the reputation of being pretty solid defensively…yet he showed little at bat last season. His BA now up to .269 is reassurance that he was a better pick than we’ve thought.

    When he was drafted the “word” that his swing had become stiff in his upper arm that would make him vulnerable to an inside pitch. Despite that the Phils chose him early, probably on the belief they could correct that swing and, if so. could end up with at least a good backup catcher whose college experience would help to require less time to climb the ladder than a H.S. catcher.

    Without jumping the gun, the signs are looking better for him than since he was drafted. A way to go…but it’s in there.

  6. Jimmy Rollins said today that Worley’s stuff is not electric, but he is deceptive, and he is therefore able to get guys to swing and miss.

    1. Therefore is he ja happ part 2?

      Worley has been tremendous but in all reality if someone is gonna buy high in exchange for an outfield bat?

      Decisions, decisions…

      1. I was the biggest Happ fan but as I have stated Happ lived on the high fast ball now even average pitchers have gotten away from ” everything LOW”. Comparisons are not really valid.

  7. Like Villalobos and Ford tonight from GCL.
    Asche had a nice night.
    Good to see triples for Collier and Santana. Also good for Rupp to be on base 4 times and a great line for Buchanan.
    Multihit games from James and Valle are good. I hope somebody teaches James better baserunning because he’s been caught stealing quite a few times this year.
    More hits for Carlos Rivero are good.

  8. Any one know what is going on with Chace Numata? i know he is officially on the Lakewood 7 day DL but what is going on? Is he a real prospect at all? i got alittle excited when i saw he was a switch hitting high school catcher, but aside from some sad stats in the GCL last year and this season being lost i guess it is time for me to give up on him. If any one has inseider info on whats going on let me know.

    1. From the outside looking in (no inside knowledge of this) I think that he is still very raw defensively and the team has decided to continue to work with him on that. They aren’t comfortable putting him in live game action as of yet. Just a guess based upon feedback I’ve seen to this point.

  9. Gosewisch threw out Gose yesterday. That’s nice to see. Is Bob Stumpo the next Suomi or even Gosewisch? He’s over .300 at Wmsprt with a HR and 9 RBIs. He’s splitting catching duties with Diaz right now. Interesting that they are both switch hitters. He has Rupp’s size. He’s a lot older than Diaz and of course old for the league. But he looks like a guy who, in a few years, might be that catcher that fills a slot no matter what level it is.

  10. Worley has now pitched enough innings for this year to be statistically significant. That said, he’s clearly not an Ace, and odds of that happening are probably in the 3-5% range. Probably 95% as a 4/5 and I’d say 30% as a 2 and 50% a 3. To be perfectly honest, stuff is relative, if he maintains excellent deception, improves his command an develops some of his seconday pitches I think a #2 is his likely ceiling, he is not JA Happ to me. More upside IMO. Remember, Halladay never had a great minor league career, nor did he ever post huge strike out numbers. Not saying Worley is halladay, just that great pure stuff is clearly not the most important attribute for the best pitcher in the last decade to play baseball.

    1. When Doc was a rookie, he had a swinging strike rate of 10%, which he has maintained throughout his career. Combine this with being an extreme groundball pitcher, and you have the best pitcher in baseball.

      Worley is like Kendrick, a good groundball pitcher, but a swinging strike rate of only 6% (which is KK territory). There difference is enourmous in terms of what kind of pitcher they are capable of being.

        1. Oh, I agree! Pitchers like him do not grow on trees. But I’ve been hearing and reading a lot of hyperbole on how awesome he is, and how we shouldn’t trade him for, say, Hunter Pence, because he’s so obviously great, bleah bleah bleah. Mentioning him in the same post with Doc is not showing a great understanding as to why many scouts and such don’t think he has much potential past maybe a #4, probably a #5 kind of starter.

          I’m just trying to pass along what I’ve learned (I tried to do a similar thing when all the hype was about Happ). I would encourage everyone to do a search for all pitchers with a swinging strike rate as low as Worley’s (min 100 IM) and consider that there’s a lot of guys who are just inning eaters, and no aces that I was able to find. Swinging strike is a really important peripheral, sort of like BB% or ISO for hitters, and helps to determine if a player is really playing over his head or not.

          1. The only reason I wouldn’t trade him for Hunter Pence is because I’d be nervous to see who the Phillies would start running out there as their #5 starter.

  11. Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the BP podcast this week did a great segment specifically on the Phillies’ spending habits, both in the draft and LA. Made a lot of the same arguments folks here have made (not a lot of opportunities to spend huge, but focusing on over-slot guys and signing them.) Interestingly, Jason Parks kept mentioning Kevin Walter in the same breath as Brown, Cosart, Colvin and Singleton. Something to watch out for if he ever gets on the field. (What kind of injury is he dealing with, anyway?)

    1. Hopefully the LatAmer expenditures will be a thing of the past after next year (and every team is on a level playing ground) a draft comes into place if Bud Selig gets his wish before his retirement.

  12. Another nice outing from Ryan Duke. He’ll be 23 at the end of the year, but a nice performance for a draftee already at Lakewood. He seems like a guy who could potentially be fast tracked as a middle reliever.

  13. MLBTR is reporting that the Phillies have let teams know that Singleton is available. Dave Cameron said the Mariners have liked him and would be interested. I don’t know how much validity there is to Singleton being available, I am a fan of his game and hope he progresses in our system. PP commenters do you feel like this is an accurate rumor and how would you all feel about moving Singleton?

    1. In my opinion, it is all about what you can get for him. I have no idea whom they would be trying to get from Seattle, but any player could be traded if the return is good enough. This team is built to win now and Singleton most likely won’t be in the majors until at least 2014. In addition, there are a few circumstances swirling around Singleton right now:

      1. The termination of the left field experiment makes him less valuable, especially in this organization with Howard signed long term.

      2. The drafting and presumed signing of Larry Greene, another left-handed power hitter, who can play the outfield, makes him more expendable.

      3. His numbers this season have been good, but not great, leading to the loss of his ‘untouchable’ status.

      1. Singleton should be able to play the outfield – he’s athletic enough. He was moved back to 1B because his twisted his ankle, but the reports on him playing the outfield prior to that were encouraging. Keep in mind that he’s 19 and playing in the pitcher-friendly FSL. He hasn’t had the .300/.400/.600 year that we might have (unfairly) come to expect, but he’s still displaying good plate discipline.

        Also, I wouldn’t say that Greene and Singleton are comparable. Greene’s calling card will be power and his question mark is whether he’ll develop enough plate discipline to showcase that power. Singleton has excellent plate discipline, but the power’s not there yet.

        This leads me to think that a trade to the Mariners is unlikely – the only piece I can imagine the Mariners moving is League – because Singleton is still a top-tier prospect.

        1. Al, your points are well taken. However:

          1. We really still don’t know yet if Singleton can play the outfield effectively.
          2. In the ideal, both Green and Singleton will be left-handed batters that hit and hit for power. They might both be asked to play the outfield. I see some redundancy there, although of course they are not the same player.
          3. There are, no doubt, many reasons why Singleton has not had a breakout year and he is still a great prospect (top 50). But he has been passed by other prospects as his season hasn’t been stellar.

          I think that there are enough questions about Singleton that makes RA willing to move him in the right deal.

          1. 1. I still think that this objection was adequately allayed by positive reports from instructional league last year, spring training this year, and his play during the season this year until he turned his ankle that said that his play in left was satisfactory. Once his ankle is fully healed (if it hasn’t already), I think we will see a return to LF for Singleton.

            2. I understand that both are lefty hitters who project to hit for power, but we don’t yet know what kind of approach Greene has at the plate. Singleton’s exceptional plate discipline at such a young age is uncommon and gives us very good reason to believe that he can be successful at higher levels of competition.

            3. Singleton has dealt with the ankle injury in addition to the tinkering with his swing that got him off to such a slow start. Hitters are learning how to make adjustments, and keep in mind the pitcher-friendly league. We should see an increase in power next year – if not, then there are some legitimate concerns.

            I think we are just divergent in what constitutes the “right deal.” I would move him in a package for Matt Kemp (with something like Cosart, Colvin, and one 10-15 guy), maybe in a small package for Pence (I wouldn’t be thrilled with that), but definitely not for Beltran, and definitely not for anyone on the Mariners outside of Felix, Pineda, Ackley, or Smoak (and Seattle would be asking for much, much more to go with Singleton).

        2. Incidentally,Brandon League has blown 6 of 23 saves this year, a rate that does not exactly inspire a great deal of confidence, although I imagine that if he came here he wouldn’t be a top choice for closer.

    2. MLRTB doesn’t have any reporters and doesn’t “report” anything. They have a few guys who scour the Web and repost information they read (and God bless them for it). It was Ken Davidoff of Newsday who reported that information about the Phils’ willingness to deal Singleton. He reported it in a Tweet. It is, in all seriousness, probably something he heard from a reporter in another market who heard from an assistant GM of the team he covers who, in turn, heard it from an assistant GM for the Mets. Trade-deadline journalism is fun and harmless but should absolutely, positively not be taken seriously. Nearly everything out there is either speculation by a reporter or a morsel fed to a reporter by a front-office type who is less interested in speaking the truth than in strengthening his team’s bargaining position.

  14. I was just looking at some comments Amaro made last year about trade possibilities and he was much more forthcoming than he has been this year. The front office, including Proefrock, has repeatedly said that no major trades will take place this year. But Amaro has a tradition of saying something is not going to happen and then it does. Anyway, my thought is that a lot of these rumors are totally false and others are true only in the sense that the Phillies are doing their due diligence on players that are available. If a Carlos Beltran is available, then it is only right to look into the situation. Does that mean that the Phillies are going to do it? No. So two thoughts on that question- and I am not a reporter- 1) Amaro, in spite of his reputation for being mysterious, was very specific and open about possible trades last year, saying that the team was looking for an infielder or a starting pitcher. This year he is hiding from the media. The media has chosen to ignore what he has said. 2) Of course the Phillies, especially the group in charge right now, are exploring trading Singleton. They are probably exploring the possibility of trading everyone. But this is not the same as agressively pursuing something.

    1. Making players available doesn’t mean they are actively shopping them. Saying Singleton is available may be a ploy to see if a team comes out of the woodwork and makes a player available that was previously untradeable. I think Amaro is saying nothing because his hands are tied, due to money and the future (they need cheap replacements from the farm system) he can’t make a big move unless there is a situation (a la Cliff Lee this winter) that he can’t refuse. Expect minor tweaks and maybe a cheap move or two.

      1. maybe the ” ahem” top prospects are better than worley. i,ve been beating the drum for pence since last year. easy decision, brown, singleton, cosart. they in all probability will never equal pences productivity. the only problem with trading worley is as said above finding a 5th starter. so send any 3 minor leagers for pence. or brown , if need be. this summer sign cuddyer the free agent. your of pence, vic, cuddyer. now the real need 3rd. encarcion from toronto. free agent this summer. dont worry the luxery tax is a fraud. .25% of anything above 175 mil?. say their payroll is 185. thats a tax of 2.5 million next year. you think the phillies dont have it? to mitch rupert above you are 100% right. btw bring up schwimmer.

        1. Anon, I think there’s a lot of reason to think Brown will, if not equal, at least get pretty close to what Pence is doing now. They had similar minor league numbers at similar ages. Though Brown is struggling more as a rookie than Pence, he shows a lot of great peripherals (my word of the day) which indicate that he’s a lot closer to being a real good player than many seem to think. Given his age, low salary and service time, I would argue the Phils would be better off with Brown than Pence over the next 4 or 5 years, including this one.

          1. nothing against brown i happen to think he will be a pretty good mlb,er. i like that he,s going to left field more. i could live with an of of brown vic and pence. but i have no use for singleton, cosart, colvin,. maybe good maybe not. i,ll take the sure proven player any day. but the only young players to look at are pence and kubel. pence is a star and he,s young and righthanded. the big difference. i would deal brown, however, before worley since i cant think of a pitcher ready to make the jump right now. the one thing i hate are rentals like beltron. i just wait til free agency and sign cuddyer . rentals are a waste of pieces. so we have 3 choices imo. deal brown #2 singleton cosart #3 worley. if you keep brown who sits for pence? ideally i trade singleton and cosart, if that indeed does it. but if houston insists on brown i do that. one thing i,m pretty sure of the phils need a power bat right handed behind howard who is seeing nothing but breaking stuff.

            1. An American League scout quoted in the Inquirer Sunday said Brown’s ceiling is much higher than Pence’s.

        2. Hunter Pence isn’t that good. He’s a solid MLB player but he’s not worth Singleton, Brown, and Cosart. It’d be insane to trade Domonic Brown for Hunter Pence. Brown is going to have a monster second half… bank on it.

          Who cares who the fifth starter is? If the Astros bite on Worley vs one of the baby Aces, I’d do that in a heartbeat.

  15. I’m sure everyone will find this quite interesting… aparently the braves are considering sending jason heyward back to AAA depending on a potential deadline aquisition in the outfield. Though the frong office source did say they would prefer not to, being in a pennant race with someone in a power position providing no offense is unacceptable. Heywards season is actually turning out to be quite interesting, I can’t count the number of people on MLB message boards who prior to the season I told “you’re being over zealous about Heyward, a .940 OPS in year two is wholistically unreasonable, be happy with .820″… not that I felt sending him back to AAA was likely, or for that matter, his offensive implosion. But regardless, sending him down is not a good idea regardless of his year thus far.

    So, anyone on here think howard was a candidate for MVP this year and want to fess up? (I bet there are some!)

    This goes into what are appropriate expectations for 5 star prospects in their first few years. Brown’s year thus far is fine, and hopefully we’ll see some improvement next year (given his BABIP is hurting him at the moment.)

    1. Assume Mendez will handle the bulk of the 3rd base assignments—highly doubtful that Franco/Martinez are brought up.

  16. Phillies signed minor league FA Steve Singleton who was released by the Twins this past week. He’s 25 and showed a consistent bat at every level. Statistically alone, it looks like a nice pickup. Anyone know anything about his glove?

    1. Apparently the Twins released him for “off the field issues.”

      His numbers look pretty good….282/.329./.418 career line.

      He was ranked as the Twins #26 prospect on a site similar to this. They said he plays outstanding defense at 2B and is a doubles machine, but struggles with walks.

  17. Bowden mentioned Worley and singleton as mentioned as part of a pence package. I would send them and a reliever plus a dearer starter like Jrod. Thoughts?

    1. I dont see how they could consider moving Worley. Even if they’re thinking ‘sell high’, he’s still likely to be an acceptable 5 slotter even in a championship caliber team’s rotation. And he’ll make 400k+ the next few years. We need that flexibility. And who replaces him in the rotation this season? What about next season when Oswalt’s gone.

      I saw a similar rumor but its a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Even more so that the premise of moving Singleton

  18. Let’s say hypothetically the Phillies get Beltran or Pence and they don’t trade Brown. Obviously that acquisition plus Victorino are playing everyday, who fills the third outfield spot – Brown or Ibanez? It would be a good problem to have but I find it hard to believe Charlie would bench Ibanez and I don’t see the Phils sending Dom to AAA or the bench.

    1. Charlie would just ride whoever’s hot. I see a Freddie Freeman like second half out of Brown. Both had their early struggles and Brown’s been hitting .300 over the past few weeks.

      Charlie won’t send Domonic back down, he wanted him up here.

  19. Yeah JRod and Biddle have been the two best starters in the system the last month. This is good because if the Phils decide to move a May, Colvin, or Pettibone one of these two will step in. I think Cosart is an untouchable at this point.

    1. Ed Wade would want a local kid like Cosart to start in a trade—–he grew up 20 miles south of Houston. It would be a big PR move also with the new owners and fans.

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