Lakewood SAL Championship, Game 2 Wrap

Lakewood defeated Greenville last night 6-1 to even the best of 5 SAL Championship series at a game apiece.  Good pitching by Julio Rodriguez and Josh Zeid and a 3-4 night by Jiwan James paced the ‘Claws.  And there was a bench-clearing brawl.  Game 3 Thursday night in Lakewood with Brody Colvin on the hill.  Links to the boxscore and a couple game stories:

Boxscore

milb.com Game Story

Asbury Park Press Game Story

43 thoughts on “Lakewood SAL Championship, Game 2 Wrap

  1. Sounds like and exciting game last night. Can’t wait to see what happens on Thursday. Their pitching remains strong. The one article said Zeid throwing high 90’s. I didn’t know he had that stuff. Maybe the fastest route for him his through the bullpen as set up/closer.

  2. On Zeid–from listening to the first game on the radio, the anouncers mentioned the radar gun was positioned in the press box and resulted in a “fast gun” that was 4-5 mph faster than the actual speed.

  3. I really have not heard much on McGuire, yet he seems to have performed pretty well in a pivotal bullpen role. Does anyone have any insight as to his velocity, stuff and potential within the organization? He is a pretty big kid with a decent pedigree, albeit hampered somewhat by injuries.

  4. This was in the transactions section on the top of the screen:

    http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=4048265

    McGuire is 24 years old and signed from the Sussex Skyhawks. He was a Cleveland Indian 43rd round signing originally. He isn’t really prospect material but as you stated he’s a big guy. He can dominate in A level but hasn’t been successful above it. Maybe he just needs an adjustment in his mechanics. Another guy like him is Kyle Carr.

  5. I am beginning to like J Rod more and more. Backing up your catcher in a fight says more about him than any other things I’ve read.

  6. Charlie, in the game I saw, McGuire topped out at 95-96 on the Lakewood gun. Same game that JRod hit 93-94 and Shreve 91-92.

  7. hehe – that announcer is awful. I think that collision was somewhat brawlworthy – the guy faked a slide, then gave Valle a forearm shiver. Nice to see Rodriguez stand up for his catcher.

    – Jeff

  8. Yeah JRod probably done for the series…Valle should not be suspended at all…he took the hit and walked away and then spiked the ball. I’ve seen where catchers spike it right near the head of a player after a collision. If you YouTube high school bench clearing brawl there is a good collision at home and catcher spikes his mask on the kid.

  9. doubt they suspend guys for this series. gotta let the full teams play for the championship and then begin suspensions to start next season

  10. kphilly and Charlie Hustle,

    When I was on vacation, I saw two Lakewood games on July 28 and July 29, 2010.

    Zeid was one of the starting pitchers and consistently threw his fastball at 94-95 mph on the Lakewood radar gun. I also listened to the game on the radio. The Lakewood radio announcer indicated that Zeid’s velocity was consistent with the middle 90’s he had posted in his other starts but the radio announcer also indicated that Zeid had posted a little higher velocity when he was relieving at the beginning of the season. The radio announcer also said that Zeid threw a split-finger fastball for a change of pace that Zeid called his fosh-ball. This was the pitch that he got most of his strikeouts on that day. It was registering 87-88-89 mph on the radar gun. The reason he got many swings and misses and strikeouts on this pitch is because it broke very suddenly straight down and it looked like a fastball that dived straight down. I also observed that Zeid threw some type of breaking ball at 81-82 mph. I do not know if it was a curve, a slider or a slurve. He pitched 5 innings.

    McGuire followed Zeid into the game and threw fastballs at 92-93 mph. Not one of his pitches were over 93 mph. All he threw was fastballs — nothing but 100% fastballs for three innings. I can not recall any pitcher ever relying exclusively only on one pitch for an entire pitching outing. When he came into the game the Lakewood radio announcer stated that he was a true power pitcher and he did note that McGuire has occasionally thrown a little faster than he was throwing that day. McGuire pitched generally good on that day, I think he had 3 or 4 strikeouts in the 3 innings he pitched

    On the second day, Colby Shreve pitched. I was very disappointed in his velocity. The majority of his fastballs were 86-87 mph. He did hit 90 mph on one pitch and 89 mph on 2 pitches. The radio announcer said the 86-87 mph fastball was very consistent with what Sheve was registering in his other starts — a mid 80’s fastball. The radio announcer also said he believed that velocity was the last thing to come back after TJ surgery. I always thought it was the first thing to come back and that control was the last thing to come back.

    Another pitcher who pitched after Shreve was Bolsenbroek. His velocity was 88 to 92 mph on his fastball.

  11. The suspensions were handed out…
    Almenzar, Hazelbaker & Frias of Greenville
    Castro, Mintken & Rodriguez of Lakewood….this makes no sense that Korby got suspended…

  12. Well that is three of their regulars and really one of the Blue Claws. I guess Hewitt will start in the outfield and Schoenberger at SS.

  13. If Josh Zeid really is throwing in the mid to upper 90s then, astonishingly, this Blue Claws pitching staff is even better than I thought. Seriously, in the entire time I have followed baseball I cannot remember a minor league team with more pitching talent – ever. I am not trying to engage in hyperbole – I cannot remember anything resembling this staff. Watching them progress to Clearwater and Reading will be incredibly exciting. Don’t be surprised if some of these guys end up getting traded for ML hitting talent. Amazing.

  14. Lakewood has a great pitching staff. They’re good and their deep. I went looking for a group of pitchers that might have been on 1 minor league team that ended up being spectacular. My thought was Seaver, Matlack, Koosman and Nolan Ryan for the Mets. They were just far enough apart that only Koosman and Ryan pitched on Jacksonville together. Seaver was a year ahead of these two or it could have been Seaver, Koosman and Ryan in AAA together. Matlack was a couple of years behind.

  15. From a BA Chat about J-Rod

    Danny (Philly): Can you give me an accurate scouting report on Julio Rodriguez? Reports seem to differ but he has some great statistics this year.

    Jim Callis: His stats are much better than his stuff. He doesn’t have a plus pitch, works at 87-88 mph with his fastball and bamboozles low Class A hitters with a big, slow curveball. I don’t think that will play well against better bats.

  16. The ’87 Jacksonville Expos had a bunch of guys who ranged from HOF (Randy Johnson) to a bunch of guys who either had a couple good years (Yorkis Perez and Floyd Youmans) or were long time staff-fillers (John Dopson, Alan Fowlkes, Mark Gardner, Joe Hesketh, Brian Holman). Might be a decent comparison–honestly, if any of these starters becomes half a Randy Johnson, we’re in decent shape.

  17. It’s impossible to judge Lakewood given that none of the starters has as much as pitched in Reading yet. It’ll be 15 years before we can stack them up, and odds are at least one will get hurt along the way. And you’d have a hard time putting them above Louisville who boasted Aroldis Chapman and Travis Wood earlier this year.

    Here’s an interesting article about great minor league rotations.
    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/minor-league/minor4.shtml

  18. Davput, as an alternative opinion, see the response from a question on J-Rod’s velocity from Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus:

    questioner:

    You mentioned before that you had Julio Rodriguez touching 93 and even 94, but others who have seen him in person said he’s barely touched 90. Is it just inconsistent velocity for him? Overeager scouting reports? As you’ve said plenty of times before, those 3-4 mph can be a huge difference.

    BP staff member Kevin Goldstein

    Those numbers I have are late-season as reported to me by a scout with a gun. He has gained velo this year, so it’s possible that the ‘barely touching 90’ numbers are from earlier games.

  19. The article is neat, but does not address what we are talking about – minor league staffs whose pitchers went on to achieve the most. It’s an interesting excercise. You could do the same with hitters.

  20. I think it’s possible that Julio Rodriguez’s fastball numbers vary depending on when he pitched. He made a start here and there for Lakewood down the stretch, but mainly was used in relief to come in and limit the innings for Shreve or Colvin to 5IP.

    As such he had some appearances where he was coming in and knew he only had to go 3 or 4 innings, he also pitched on 4, 5, and 6 days rest at times which also may have impacted on how lively his arm was when he did get in there and pitch.

  21. Listening to nepp first hand report, very hard to get excited about mid eighty fastball from righthand pitching 88-89 you better be a knuckleball pitcher or a right on the black control, not good numbers for these kids.Ths really takes away from there prospect status for me,

  22. Schoenberger usually starts at short…so we’re fine there….PRobably Gump, James and either Dabbs/Hewitt in outfield..one could DH

  23. mikemike,

    Why choose to listen to the more pessimistic report? I witnessed JRod 93-94 and apparently so did some others. So, he is capable of throwing above 90. Incidentally, several Phillies pitchers, most notably Madson and Hamels have added velocity even as late as their early to mid 20s.

  24. Definately think JRod moves up prospect list. Maybe in mid to upper teens? I think he vaults Shreve. I expect they start him in Lakewood and then will be in Clearwater by mid yr. That will give them six good pitchers around 21 yrs old;May, Cosart, Colvin, Pettibone, JRod,and Lugo.

  25. I have Rodriguez about 26-30. I don’t mean for that to be an insult to him, it’s just that the ballot is awfully crowded and I don’t think I can reasonably rate him higher based on scouting reports.

  26. Here are the best full season, Low A ball, Phillies organization staffs I remember hearing about as prospects AT THE TIME (not retrospectively) since about 1975. This is off the top of my head, without doing any research. It is hard to compare eras, but I’d put the 2010 team second behind the 1978 team. Here are the pitchers with at least 10 starts and selected relievers.

    1978 Peninsula Pilots (90-49) http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=19669: Marty Bystrom (MLB), Bob Walk (MLB), Cliff Speck (MLB), Henry Mack, Jose Martinez, Sammye Welborn, Daryl Adams (Reliever Jerry Reed with an 0.75 ERA that season also made it to MLB, James Lasek, 2.33 ERA, team lead in games).

    2010 Lakewood Blue Claws (84-55) http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=41970 : May, Cosart, Colvin, Pettibone, Rodriguez, Shreve, Zeid, May, Hernandez, Lugo (reliever)

    1996 Piedmont Boll Weevils (72-66) http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=21617 : Dave Coggin (MLB), Jason Kershner (MLB), Rob Burger, Randy Knoll, Jason Sikes (Reliever Anthony Shumaker with a 1.38 ERA that season also made it to MLB).

    We need to wait a decade or 2 before we can rank the 2010 Lakewood pitchers versus other minor league staffs based on their major league careers. It’s not easy to project low A pitchers to the major leagues. Bob Walk had the best major league career: 14 seasons, 105-81, 91 ERA+, 1 All star game, 3-1 in 42 innings of 5 post season series. He was the Phillies #3 pitcher in 1980, helping them to win their first World Series, before being traded straight up for Gary Matthews, who won the LCS MVP in 1983.

  27. Don’t know which BlueClaws impressed Ruben Amaro Jr. who was sitting 8 rows up behind home plate tonight but two unsung guys stood out. Big lefty Kyle Carr came out of the pen in the 7th inning with one out and runners on second and third and struck out a lefty with a called sharp breaking ball and a righty swinging at 91 mph high heat. The other unsung hero was Michael Dabbs filling in for Leandro Castro. Dabbs made two diving catches in left, singled up the middle and in the 9th sac. bunted Jiwan James to second who would eventually score on Jeremy Barnes walk off single in the bottom of the 9th.

  28. KEN45… You mentioned a player from 1978 that I haven’t thought about for decades, but at the time figured would be a great MLer…Henry Mack. Does anyone remember what happened to him? The list is a bitter reminder that premiere Single A pitchers frequently don”t make it to the Show.

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