News and Notes

A few tidbits first reported by Jim Salisbury of Comcast Sportsnet.  OF Zach Collier recently had wrist surgery to repair damage to the hamate bone.  The surgery will set Collier back a few weeks, however, he should be back at full speed by the end of spring training.  Collier was the 34th pick in the 2008 draft.

Additionally, the Phils signed two youngsters out of the DOminican Republic.  17 year old 6’6 pitcher Miguel Nunez received a $220,000 signing bonus, while 3B Maikol Franco (also 17) signed for $100,000. Both should see time with the Rookie League Gulf Coast Phils this Summer.

35 thoughts on “News and Notes

  1. I haven’t heard anything about Nunez, but that’s a nice little signing bonus he got there. 17 years old and 6’6″…must be nice! Let’s hope he can put that very projectable frame to good use.

  2. Nunez actually signed in January.

    Sallisbury mentions Franco getting good reviews on his arm and hitting ability.

    Encouraging that both will be in the GCL instead of the DSL.

    I really wish we went after Edward Salcedo.

    Maybe we will jump in to the DePaula bidding…

  3. I hope Felix Cespedes (18), Lisalverto Bonilla (19) and Rudney Balentien (19) also end up in the GCL. Geancarlo Mendez is 19 but also had a good line (.328/.465/.419) in South America. He walked 55 times to 27 Ks in 300 ABs. Marco Davalillo (18) is a Kennelly-like player. He has a big bat but doesn’t really have a position. He played 1B, 3B, C and I think some OF.

    Daniel De La Cruz is an 18 year old righty in the DSL and might deserve a look.

    I guess they can’t fill the GCL with South American imports but some of these guys should come state-side.

  4. Can anybody suggest a good site to get dates of birth for the Latin American signings? Trying to update my spreedsheet.

    Thanks

  5. Yeah phillyfriar reported the nunez signing here just after new years. Anyone know what his weight is?

    It might be nice to have a actual 3b prospect, although we don’t know anything about franco yet, except his bonus is kinda small. Either way, I like the approach

  6. I’m curious as to the extent to Collier’s hamate bone. A broken one can actually take a very long time to heal all the way. There have been a couple of guys in recent years who have taken a full season to see their power come back after breaking their hamate bone. Hopefully it was somewhat less serious than a break. I would be surprised if he is at full speed this Spring.

  7. @rodeoJ,
    They get to save 4 million, when Bastardo replaces Romero in 2011. And another 2miliion when and if Mathieson replaces Durbin.

  8. Mike77 – 6 mil helps, but the real difference will be if Tony bastard and matieson can take over set up and closer roles. That’s what Boston has. I thought the post was nice to bring up as many minor leaguers are discussed.

  9. If he stays healthy, Mathieson may well be able to take over the closer role and Bastardo the setup role, with Shwimer and/or Rosenberg sliding into middle relief. The Phillies are spending too many $ on the pen. Eventually, it will come down to keeping one of the offensive bangers like Werth or Howard or continuing to spend big on the pen. Crunch time is coming.

  10. To me, the problem with spending to build the bullpen isn’t necessarily money. It’s that bullpen arms are so volatile. Often times you overpay for a veteran in dollars or years, and you’re obligated to keep him around even when he fails. With the young guys, you have more freedom to move them around when things go wrong. I get extremely wary when a team has seven arms locked in place like the Phils did going into last season.

  11. i posted on the PP’s Top 30 prospects the surgery before Salisbury. so i win haha
    franco sounds interesting

  12. Not knowing much about the international market, maybe you can tell me 100,000 for a 17 year old would indicate to me he isnt highly regarded, do you remember any kids recently who have made it who signed cheap, out of there????

  13. Quote of the day

    This is actually the clubhouse leader for Charlie quote of the spring. When asked about outfielder Tyson Gillies’ energy, Manuel said he watched him run from center to right field while shagging flyballs during batting practice.

    “He takes shagging to another level,” Manuel said.

    Gotta love Charlie.

  14. I think Ruiz was a very cheap sign but he was 18 or 19. I think he signed for a glass of beer and a Tiparillo. He was also out of the baseball hotbed, Panama.

  15. Since when is a $100,000 dollar signing cheap? Ruiz signed for less than 15,000 dollars if I remember correctly. I believe Carlos Silva signed for less than 100K also.

  16. mikemike,
    The Phillies signed Jonathan Villar for 105K and he is their 2nd best (best if you ask me) infield prospect. They signed Valle for 30K.
    What is the complaint with a 100K international signing?

  17. A significant percentage of the Latin stars that make it sign for less than $10,000. Maybe inflation is pushing that up a bit these days, but there is so much variability in the projection of 16-year-olds that you can often get lucky. This does not mean the middle range of 100K-300K is not also productive. Some low bonus examples:

    Johan Santana – $10K Venezuela 1995
    Hanley Ramirez – $22K Dominican 2000
    Jose Reyes – $10K Dominican 1999
    Victor Martinez – $10K Venezuela 1996

    Carlos Ruiz was signed for $8K out of Panama in 1998. I don’t recall what Silva was, but I think it was a little higher in the mid range. We have had some success in the mid-range also if you count someone like Robinson Tejada for $200K.

    In my mind there is something like a 1-2% chance of these $10K signings making the majors . The $100K guys might have a 15%-20% chance and the million dollar guys have a 50%+ chance. It would be an interesting study to assess the total value of players by bonus level. I would think the least expensive guys offer the most value. There are definitely more Latin $10K bonus stars than draft $10K bonus stars. The Latin guys are 16-17 years old and may mature significantly. The inexpensive draft signings are the later round college guys. At age 21 or 22 there is much less variability in outcome. The high school guys tend to sign for more than $10K if they sign at all.

  18. One of the tricky issues is that you don’t necessarily pay a prospect based on their talent level. You pay them based on market value and the interest level of other team. Heitor Correa as a Brazilian prospect would receive far less money than a Dominican prospect of similar age and ability, simply because Brazil is not as heavily scouted.

  19. PECOTA is here at long last!!!! Some interesting tidbits on Phils prospects:
    Dom Brown and Tyson Gillies have very impressive UPSIDE scores of over 200 and Anthony Gose’s number one comparable is Carl Crawford.

  20. This is true, opening up a new talent market gives the initial team a cost advantage. Panama and Brazil were less scouted than DR. Braves got Andruuw Jones for a song.

  21. mike77 I Asked a question about signing bonus, but ruiz 8 or ten thousand was about 12 years ago so its close with inflation, but in todays market 100,000 for prospect not drafted is cheap. maybe not by your standards , but by most, and good fielding catcher who hit 250 are a dime a dozen, if carlos had to play, with a team with less offense teams he wouldnt be here, he cant hit his weight,.

  22. “.250 Hitting catchers are a dime a dozen… He cant hit his weight”

    Barely worth a response, but Carlos Ruiz had the 4th highest OPS for catcher in the National League in 2009. If you can hit better than 75% of the starters at your position while playing decent defense, you are better than ‘dime a dozen’. Maybe I’m wrong, mikemike, enlighten me.

  23. Phillies put a lot more stock in catchers who are solid defensive catchers and less offensive. That’s why they were willing to part with Marson. Also look at Coste. It will be interesting to see what they do with Valle if he doesn’t turn into a solid defensive catcher.

  24. Mike77- Not only did he do pretty well offensively, you can make an argument he is the second best defensive catcher in the league, only behind Yadier Molina.

  25. 8,000 with a generous 4% inflation rate is 12,000 in 12 years, roughly. I’ve been drinking Pinot Noir all night so my math might be off. I’ll do present and future values for you guys all day though.

  26. a blurb about Susac on espn.com

    • Beavers freshman catcher Andrew Susac, a 16th-round pick by the Phillies in 2009, went 1-for-2 with two walks and is making progress behind the dish, but “is going to need these three years to get where he wants to be,” one scout said.

  27. I’m not sure 8% inflation is generous when it comes to Latin American bonuses. These bonuses used to greatly lag those of draftees, for comparable talent. Now the LA bonuses have caught up to those of the draft, and the draft bonuses have not exactly stood still.

  28. Allentown – the inflation of overall bonuses is a different matter. When someone stated ‘inflation’ without any other description I take that to mean the devaluing of currency, nothing else. It would take comparing all bonuses paid over several years to really gauge the increase in cost of signing LA players.

  29. Saw this on Zolecki’s blog today and thougt it very interesting:

    There have been countless moves to get the Phillies to back-to-back World Series.

    One of them came July 30, 2006, when the Phillies traded Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle to the Yankees for Matt Smith, C.J. Henry, Carlos Monasterios and Jesus Sanchez. If you look at the talent exchanged, the trade came out poorly for the Phillies. Smith and Henry are out of baseball, and the Mets selected Monasterios with the seventh pick in December’s Rule 5 Draft.

    Only Sanchez remains, but the Phillies are optimistic after converting him from a catcher to a pitcher. In his first season as a pitcher, Sanchez went 10-6 with a 3.44 ERA in 26 games last year for Single A Lakewood. He impressed the Phillies enough that they protected him from the Rule 5 by placing him on the 40-man roster.

    But the Phillies made the trade not because they were in love with Smith, Henry, Monasterios and Sanchez. They made the trade because the nucleus they had in place had not won, and Pat Gillick wanted to make a change. They traded Abreu to clear salary and change the atmosphere in the clubhouse.

    The trade allowed the Phillies to play Shane Victorino in right field the remainder of the season, Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley to assert themselves as leaders in the clubhouse, and indirectly sign Utley and Brett Myers to contract extensions in the offseason because Abreu had been set to make $16.5 million in 2007 with a $16 million club option with a $2 million buyout in 2008.

    “It came out all right,” Gillick said. “I’m happy with it.”

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