2021 Org Rates – BB% and K% (Batters)

For batters, walk and strikeout rates are arrived at by dividing walks and strikeouts by plate appearances (BB%=BB/PA and K%=K/PA). The percentages throughout the Phillies’ organization will be listed below.  (This has been a work in progress.  The recently departed players have been struck through rather than removed. The new guys are not included.)

These benchmarks by FanGraphs are a little dated (2010).  FanGraphs suggests that we consider these as estimates, be aware that league average varies from year to year, and remember that power hitters have higher walk and K rates and contact hitters have lower walk and K rates.  And, of course, we should note that league-average K rates have been on the rise over recent years.

Rating BB% K%
Excellent 15.00% 10.00%
Great 12.50% 12.50%
Above Average 10.00% 16.00%
Average 8.00% 20.00%
Below Average 7.00% 22.00%
Poor 5.50% 25.00%
Awful 4.00% 27.50%

The Phillies BB and K rates for batters are below.  The left block is in alphabetical order and includes OPS.  The center block is batters BB%.  The right block is batter K%.

The first grouping is stateside prospects, then DSL prospects, the 40-man roster, and the departed.  I deleted all pitcher batting stats.

Prospects PA OPS BB BB% SO K% Name PA BB BB% Name PA SO K%
Juan Aparicio 197 .664 21 10.66% 43 21.83% Micah Yonamine 71 20 28.17% Alexeis Azuaje 56 5 8.93%
Alexeis Azuaje 56 1.376 4 7.14% 5 8.93% Kervin Pichardo 105 28 26.67% Micah Yonamine 71 7 9.86%
Edward Barboza 27 .954 3 11.11% 7 25.93% Leandro Pineda 93 20 21.51% T.J. Rumfield 101 11 10.89%
Jamari Baylor 169 .821 19 11.24% 60 35.50% Baron Radcliff 334 71 21.26% Simon Muzziotti 83 11 13.25%
Daniel Brito 307 .837 27 8.79% 53 17.26% T.J. Rumfield 101 21 20.79% Adony Mejia 7 1 14.29%
Chris Burke 82 .679 8 9.76% 21 25.61% Colby Fitch 140 29 20.71% Anthony Quirion 20 3 15.00%
Jared Carr 123 .846 17 13.82% 32 26.02% Uziel Viloria 84 16 19.05% Wilson Valdez 52 8 15.38%
Logan Cerny 43 .635 8 18.60% 12 27.91% Logan Cerny 43 8 18.60% Matt Goodheart 24 4 16.67%
Jack Conley 182 .526 19 10.44% 56 30.77% Jordan Viars 64 11 17.19% Daniel Brito 307 53 17.26%
Chris Cornelius 144 .586 5 3.47% 37 25.69% Edgar Made 169 27 15.98% Jadiel Sanchez 110 19 17.27%
Arturo De Freitas 60 .543 3 5.00% 12 20.00% Nate Fassnacht 276 44 15.94% Logan O’Hoppe 438 76 17.35%
Carlos De La Cruz 237 .590 26 10.97% 87 36.71% Anthony Quirion 20 3 15.00% Johan Rojas 429 77 17.95%
Guarner Dipre 81 .367 11 13.58% 29 35.80% Vito Friscia 318 46 14.47% Jordan Viars 64 12 18.75%
Nate Fassnacht 276 .705 44 15.94% 111 40.22% Albert Jerez 35 5 14.29% Wilfredo Flores 42 8 19.05%
Colby Fitch 140 .684 29 20.71% 45 32.14% Jared Carr 123 17 13.82% D.J. Stewart 397 79 19.90%
Wilfredo Flores 42 .795 2 4.76% 8 19.05% Luis Garcia 465 64 13.76% Arturo De Freitas 60 12 20.00%
Freddy Francisco 57 .508 6 10.53% 16 28.07% Guarner Dipre 81 11 13.58% Lee Hao Yu 25 5 20.00%
Vito Friscia 318 .799 46 14.47% 89 27.99% Freylin Minyety 104 14 13.46% Darick Hall 471 100 21.23%
Luis Garcia 465 .767 64 13.76% 112 24.09% Bryson Stott 487 65 13.35% Ethan Wilson 117 25 21.37%
Yhoswar Garcia 77 .570 6 7.79% 23 29.87% Gavin Tonkel 31 4 12.90% Juan Aparicio 197 43 21.83%
Oscar Gonzalez 60 .547 7 11.67% 17 28.33% Scott Kingery 107 13 12.15% Dalton Guthrie 331 73 22.05%
Matt Goodheart 24 .887 2 8.33% 4 16.67% Lee Hao Yu 25 3 12.00% Freylin Minyety 104 23 22.12%
Sal Gozzo 171 .372 14 8.19% 49 28.65% Darick Hall 471 55 11.68% Jose Tortolero 185 41 22.16%
Dalton Guthrie 331 .721 21 6.34% 73 22.05% Oscar Gonzalez 60 7 11.67% Bryson Stott 487 108 22.18%
Jonathan Guzman 417 .525 29 6.95% 108 25.90% Josh Stephen 380 44 11.58% Felix Reyes 129 29 22.48%
Darick Hall 471 .741 55 11.68% 100 21.23% Jamari Baylor 169 19 11.24% Edgar Made 169 39 23.08%
Herbert Iser 258 .523 13 5.04% 81 31.40% Nicolas Torres 376 42 11.17% Nicolas Torres 376 87 23.14%
Albert Jerez 35 .493 5 14.29% 9 25.71% Edward Barboza 27 3 11.11% Josh Stephen 380 89 23.42%
Scott Kingery 107 .503 13 12.15% 39 36.45% Carlos De La Cruz 237 26 10.97% Luis Garcia 465 112 24.09%
Matt Kroon 215 .791 16 7.44% 52 24.19% Simon Muzziotti 83 9 10.84% Logan Simmons 170 41 24.12%
Lee Hao Yu 25 1.213 3 12.00% 5 20.00% Nick Matera 159 17 10.69% Matt Kroon 215 52 24.19%
Marcus Lee Sang 133 .778 11 8.27% 36 27.07% Juan Aparicio 197 21 10.66% Leandro Pineda 93 23 24.73%
Edgar Made 169 .518 27 15.98% 39 23.08% Freddy Francisco 57 6 10.53% Chris Burke 82 21 25.61%
Hunter Markwardt 258 .685 21 8.14% 74 28.68% Jack Conley 182 19 10.44% Chris Cornelius 144 37 25.69%
Casey Martin 427 .601 41 9.60% 120 28.10% Jose Tortolero 185 19 10.27% Albert Jerez 35 9 25.71%
Nick Matera 159 .764 17 10.69% 46 28.93% Jadiel Sanchez 110 11 10.00% Gavin Tonkel 31 8 25.81%
Adony Mejia 7 .629 0 0.00% 1 14.29% Chris Burke 82 8 9.76% Jonathan Guzman 417 108 25.90%
Luke Miller 307 .688 21 6.84% 97 31.60% Jhailyn Ortiz 391 38 9.72% Edward Barboza 27 7 25.93%
Freylin Minyety 104 .828 14 13.46% 23 22.12% Casey Martin 427 41 9.60% Jared Carr 123 32 26.02%
Simon Muzziotti 83 .755 9 10.84% 11 13.25% Logan Simmons 170 16 9.41% Marcus Lee Sang 133 36 27.07%
Andrick Nava 6 .833 0 0.00% 2 33.33% Junior Ortega 66 6 9.09% Madison Stokes 380 104 27.37%
Logan O’Hoppe 438 .789 33 7.53% 76 17.35% Daniel Brito 307 27 8.79% Logan Cerny 43 12 27.91%
Junior Ortega 66 .614 6 9.09% 20 30.30% Rixon Wingrove 346 30 8.67% Vito Friscia 318 89 27.99%
Jhailyn Ortiz 391 .834 38 9.72% 113 28.90% Ethan Wilson 117 10 8.55% Freddy Francisco 57 16 28.07%
Ben Pelletier 175 .723 14 8.00% 58 33.14% Matt Goodheart 24 2 8.33% Casey Martin 427 120 28.10%
Kervin Pichardo 105 .942 28 26.67% 32 30.48% Marcus Lee Sang 133 11 8.27% Oscar Gonzalez 60 17 28.33%
Leandro Pineda 93 .551 20 21.51% 23 24.73% Sal Gozzo 171 14 8.19% Sal Gozzo 171 49 28.65%
Anthony Quirion 20 1.263 3 15.00% 3 15.00% Madison Stokes 380 31 8.16% Hunter Markwardt 258 74 28.68%
Baron Radcliff 334 .749 71 21.26% 112 33.53% Hunter Markwardt 258 21 8.14% Jhailyn Ortiz 391 113 28.90%
Felix Reyes 129 .670 8 6.20% 29 22.48% Ben Pelletier 175 14 8.00% Nick Matera 159 46 28.93%
Johan Rojas 429 .747 33 7.69% 77 17.95% McCarthy Tatum 401 32 7.98% Yhoswar Garcia 77 23 29.87%
T.J. Rumfield 101 .689 21 20.79% 11 10.89% Yhoswar Garcia 77 6 7.79% Rixon Wingrove 346 104 30.06%
Jadiel Sanchez 110 .746 11 10.00% 19 17.27% Johan Rojas 429 33 7.69% Junior Ortega 66 20 30.30%
Logan Simmons 170 .778 16 9.41% 41 24.12% Wilson Valdez 52 4 7.69% Kervin Pichardo 105 32 30.48%
Josh Stephen 380 .638 44 11.58% 89 23.42% D.J. Stewart 397 30 7.56% Jack Conley 182 56 30.77%
D.J. Stewart 397 .763 30 7.56% 79 19.90% Logan O’Hoppe 438 33 7.53% Uziel Viloria 84 26 30.95%
Madison Stokes 380 .713 31 8.16% 104 27.37% Matt Kroon 215 16 7.44% Herbert Iser 258 81 31.40%
Bryson Stott 487 .876 65 13.35% 108 22.18% Alexeis Azuaje 56 4 7.14% McCarthy Tatum 401 126 31.42%
McCarthy Tatum 401 .604 32 7.98% 126 31.42% Jonathan Guzman 417 29 6.95% Luke Miller 307 97 31.60%
Gavin Tonkel 31 .724 4 12.90% 8 25.81% Luke Miller 307 21 6.84% Colby Fitch 140 45 32.14%
Nicolas Torres 376 .744 42 11.17% 87 23.14% Dalton Guthrie 331 21 6.34% Ben Pelletier 175 58 33.14%
Jose Tortolero 185 .582 19 10.27% 41 22.16% Felix Reyes 129 8 6.20% Andrick Nava 6 2 33.33%
Wilson Valdez 52 .668 4 7.69% 8 15.38% Herbert Iser 258 13 5.04% Baron Radcliff 334 112 33.53%
Jordan Viars 64 .874 11 17.19% 12 18.75% Arturo De Freitas 60 3 5.00% Jamari Baylor 169 60 35.50%
Uziel Viloria 84 .501 16 19.05% 26 30.95% Wilfredo Flores 42 2 4.76% Guarner Dipre 81 29 35.80%
Ethan Wilson 117 .656 10 8.55% 25 21.37% Chris Cornelius 144 5 3.47% Scott Kingery 107 39 36.45%
Rixon Wingrove 346 .648 30 8.67% 104 30.06% Adony Mejia 7 0 0.00% Carlos De La Cruz 237 87 36.71%
Micah Yonamine 71 .720 20 28.17% 7 9.86% Andrick Nava 6 0 0.00% Nate Fassnacht 276 111 40.22%
DSL Prospects PA OPS BB BB% SO K% Name PA BB BB% Name PA SO K%
Kliubert Avila 101 .936 17 16.83% 19 18.81% Reiberth Gil 25 6 24.00% Jorge Mendez 79 6 7.59%
Alfredo Alderete 52 .679 6 11.54% 6 11.54% Brahian Silva 52 11 21.15% Deivi Cabrera 66 6 9.09%
Erick Barria 49 .645 9 18.37% 12 24.49% Arquedion Muller 44 9 20.45% Solardo Rodriguez 174 17 9.77%
Erick Brito 202 .836 40 19.80% 28 13.86% Erick Brito 202 40 19.80% Rickardo Perez* 146 15 10.27%
Deivi Cabrera 66 .729 12 18.18% 6 9.09% Jorge Garcia* 32 6 18.75% Jeury Corona 96 11 11.46%
Jose Colmenarez 50 .534 5 10.00% 11 22.00% Erick Barria 49 9 18.37% Alfredo Alderete 52 6 11.54%
Jeury Corona 96 .864 12 12.50% 11 11.46% Deivi Cabrera 66 12 18.18% Leonardo Rondon# 85 11 12.94%
Derek Escobar# 99 .566 15 15.15% 17 17.17% Jarol Martinez 107 19 17.76% Diego Gonzalez 163 22 13.50%
Yemal Flores 140 .623 21 15.00% 50 35.71% Kliubert Avila 101 17 16.83% Erick Brito 202 28 13.86%
Jorge Garcia* 32 .861 6 18.75% 5 15.63% Derek Escobar# 99 15 15.15% Jackie Pertuz* 143 22 15.38%
Reiberth Gil 25 .240 6 24.00% 4 16.00% Gabriel Tirado* 66 10 15.15% Jorge Garcia* 32 5 15.63%
Diego Gonzalez 163 .687 12 7.36% 22 13.50% Rickardo Perez* 146 22 15.07% Reiberth Gil 25 4 16.00%
Enyer Graterol# 29 .414 3 10.34% 9 31.03% Yemal Flores 140 21 15.00% Ricardo Rosario 191 31 16.23%
Jhorjan Guevara 153 .597 15 9.80% 37 24.18% Yemil Rosario 96 13 13.54% Carlos Rondon# 84 14 16.67%
Raylin Heredia 4 1.000 0 0.00% 1 25.00% Jeury Corona 96 12 12.50% Derek Escobar# 99 17 17.17%
Fernando Hernandez 126 .719 15 11.90% 30 23.81% Randy Vasquez 141 17 12.06% Brahian Silva 52 9 17.31%
Julio Heureaux# 70 .568 5 7.14% 15 21.43% Fernando Hernandez 126 15 11.90% Jose Leanez 167 30 17.96%
Jose Leanez 167 .773 16 9.58% 30 17.96% Albert Rodriguez 120 14 11.67% Kliubert Avila 101 19 18.81%
Jarol Martinez 107 .474 19 17.76% 39 36.45% Alfredo Alderete 52 6 11.54% Marco Soto# 83 16 19.28%
Adony Mejia 77 .819 7 9.09% 16 20.78% Jorge Mendez 79 9 11.39% Jehisbert Sevilla 159 31 19.50%
Jorge Mendez 79 .633 9 11.39% 6 7.59% Enyer Graterol# 29 3 10.34% Adony Mejia 77 16 20.78%
Arquedion Muller 44 .599 9 20.45% 17 38.64% Jose Colmenarez 50 5 10.00% Julio Heureaux# 70 15 21.43%
Rickardo Perez* 146 .651 22 15.07% 15 10.27% Jhorjan Guevara 153 15 9.80% Albert Rodriguez 120 26 21.67%
Jackie Pertuz* 143 .667 12 8.39% 22 15.38% Marco Soto# 83 8 9.64% Jose Colmenarez 50 11 22.00%
Yoangel Ramos 145 .492 8 5.52% 39 26.90% Jose Leanez 167 16 9.58% Santiago Torres 159 37 23.27%
Albert Rodriguez 120 .697 14 11.67% 26 21.67% Carlos Rondon# 84 8 9.52% Fernando Hernandez 126 30 23.81%
Solardo Rodriguez 174 .658 14 8.05% 17 9.77% Ricardo Rosario 191 18 9.42% Jhorjan Guevara 153 37 24.18%
Carlos Rondon# 84 .679 8 9.52% 14 16.67% Adony Mejia 77 7 9.09% Erick Barria 49 12 24.49%
Leonardo Rondon# 85 .557 7 8.24% 11 12.94% Jehisbert Sevilla 159 14 8.81% Raylin Heredia 4 1 25.00%
Ricardo Rosario 191 .647 18 9.42% 31 16.23% Javier Vina 59 5 8.47% Gabriel Tirado* 66 17 25.76%
Yemil Rosario 96 .415 13 13.54% 31 32.29% Jackie Pertuz* 143 12 8.39% Yoangel Ramos 145 39 26.90%
Jehisbert Sevilla 159 .708 14 8.81% 31 19.50% Leonardo Rondon# 85 7 8.24% Randy Vasquez 141 38 26.95%
Brahian Silva 52 .410 11 21.15% 9 17.31% Solardo Rodriguez 174 14 8.05% Enyer Graterol# 29 9 31.03%
Marco Soto# 83 .499 8 9.64% 16 19.28% Diego Gonzalez 163 12 7.36% Yemil Rosario 96 31 32.29%
Gabriel Tirado* 66 .662 10 15.15% 17 25.76% Julio Heureaux# 70 5 7.14% Yemal Flores 140 50 35.71%
Santiago Torres 159 .536 10 6.29% 37 23.27% Santiago Torres 159 10 6.29% Jarol Martinez 107 39 36.45%
Randy Vasquez 141 .620 17 12.06% 38 26.95% Yoangel Ramos 145 8 5.52% Arquedion Muller 44 17 38.64%
Javier Vina 59 .460 5 8.47% 23 38.98% Raylin Heredia 4 0 0.00% Javier Vina 59 23 38.98%
40-Man Roster PA OPS BB BB% SO K% Name PA BB BB% Name PA SO K%
Rafael Marchan 326 .537 27 8.28% 56 17.18% Bryce Harper 599 100 16.69% Jean Segura 572 78 13.64%
J.T. Realmuto 537 .782 48 8.94% 129 24.02% Nick Maton 383 48 12.53% Didi Gregorius 431 68 15.78%
Alec Bohm 485 .662 38 7.84% 126 25.98% Rhys Hoskins 443 47 10.61% Rafael Marchan 326 56 17.18%
Didi Gregorius 431 .673 29 6.73% 68 15.78% Roman Quinn 70 7 10.00% Adam Haseley 254 46 18.11%
Rhys Hoskins 443 .864 47 10.61% 108 24.38% Matt Vierling 415 40 9.64% Matt Vierling 415 84 20.24%
Nick Maton 383 .688 48 12.53% 99 25.85% Adam Haseley 254 24 9.45% Luke Williams 251 52 20.72%
Jean Segura 572 .792 39 6.82% 78 13.64% J.T. Realmuto 537 48 8.94% Bryce Harper 599 134 22.37%
Luke Williams 251 .653 22 8.76% 52 20.72% Luke Williams 251 22 8.76% J.T. Realmuto 537 129 24.02%
Bryce Harper 599 1.044 100 16.69% 134 22.37% Rafael Marchan 326 27 8.28% Rhys Hoskins 443 108 24.38%
Adam Haseley 254 .620 24 9.45% 46 18.11% Alec Bohm 485 38 7.84% Nick Maton 383 99 25.85%
Mickey Moniak 446 .713 34 7.62% 117 26.23% Mickey Moniak 446 34 7.62% Alec Bohm 485 126 25.98%
Roman Quinn 70 .612 7 10.00% 21 30.00% Jean Segura 572 39 6.82% Mickey Moniak 446 117 26.23%
Matt Vierling 415 .810 40 9.64% 84 20.24% Didi Gregorius 431 29 6.73% Roman Quinn 70 21 30.00%
Departed PA OPS BB BB% SO K% Name PA BB BB% Name PA SO K%
C.J. Chatham 184 .719 13 7.07% 28 15.22% Brock Stassi 95 20 21.05% Grenny Cumana 173 16 9.25%
Arquimedes Gamboa 382 .722 56 14.66% 93 24.35% Jake Elmore 51 10 19.61% Brock Stassi 95 10 10.53%
Tyler Heineman 74 .673 9 12.16% 12 16.22% Jose Cedeno 39 7 17.95% Jake Elmore 51 6 11.76%
Cornelius Randolph 182 .721 23 12.64% 55 30.22% Matt Joyce 118 21 17.80% Ronald Torreyes 380 47 12.37%
Edgar Cabral 102 .636 14 13.73% 32 31.37% Juan Herrera 17 3 17.65% Abrahan Gutierrez 220 31 14.09%
Charlie Tilson 232 .765 17 7.33% 47 20.26% Abrahan Gutierrez 220 37 16.82% C.J. Chatham 184 28 15.22%
T.J. Rivera 99 .875 5 5.05% 16 16.16% Logan Moore 72 12 16.67% Odubel Herrera 502 78 15.54%
Grenny Cumana 173 .632 13 7.51% 16 9.25% Christian Valerio 12 2 16.67% T.J. Rivera 99 16 16.16%
Rodolfo Duran 135 .640 6 4.44% 28 20.74% Travis Jankowski 229 37 16.16% Tyler Heineman 74 12 16.22%
Brock Stassi 95 .604 20 21.05% 10 10.53% Arquimedes Gamboa 382 56 14.66% Freddy Galvis 140 23 16.43%
Andrew Knapp 171 .439 14 8.19% 65 38.01% Andrew McCutchen 574 81 14.11% Travis Jankowski 229 38 16.59%
Odubel Herrera 502 .740 31 6.18% 78 15.54% Edgar Cabral 102 14 13.73% Ruben Tejada 264 46 17.42%
Ronald Torreyes 380 .650 25 6.58% 47 12.37% Jorge Bonifacio 393 53 13.49% Matt Joyce 118 23 19.49%
Travis Jankowski 229 .749 37 16.16% 38 16.59% Cornelius Randolph 182 23 12.64% Charlie Tilson 232 47 20.26%
Andrew McCutchen 574 .778 81 14.11% 132 23.00% Tyler Heineman 74 9 12.16% Rodolfo Duran 135 28 20.74%
Brad Miller 377 .774 45 11.94% 112 29.71% Ruben Tejada 264 32 12.12% Austin Listi 214 46 21.50%
Freddy Galvis 140 .685 11 7.86% 23 16.43% Brad Miller 377 45 11.94% Rudy Rott 88 19 21.59%
Matt Joyce 118 .667 21 17.80% 23 19.49% Ryan Cordell 226 24 10.62% Mitchell Edwards 46 10 21.74%
Logan Moore 72 .537 12 16.67% 18 25.00% Keaton Greenwalt 211 22 10.43% Jorge Bonifacio 393 88 22.39%
Jorge Bonifacio 393 .846 53 13.49% 88 22.39% Rudy Rott 88 9 10.23% Andrew McCutchen 574 132 23.00%
Corbin Williams 140 .470 10 7.14% 54 38.57% Hunter Hearn 150 15 10.00% Arquimedes Gamboa 382 93 24.35%
Juan Herrera 17 .899 3 17.65% 6 35.29% Cole Stobbe 204 19 9.31% Logan Moore 72 18 25.00%
Cole Stobbe 204 .472 19 9.31% 89 43.63% Austin Listi 214 19 8.88% Logan Landon 86 24 27.91%
Ruben Tejada 264 .603 32 12.12% 46 17.42% Mitchell Edwards 46 4 8.70% Brad Miller 377 112 29.71%
Jake Elmore 51 .667 10 19.61% 6 11.76% Andrew Knapp 171 14 8.19% Cornelius Randolph 182 55 30.22%
Keaton Greenwalt 211 .496 22 10.43% 65 30.81% Freddy Galvis 140 11 7.86% Keaton Greenwalt 211 65 30.81%
Mitchell Edwards 46 .791 4 8.70% 10 21.74% Grenny Cumana 173 13 7.51% Edgar Cabral 102 32 31.37%
Christian Valerio 12 .167 2 16.67% 4 33.33% Charlie Tilson 232 17 7.33% Christian Valerio 12 4 33.33%
Jose Cedeno 39 .449 7 17.95% 13 33.33% Corbin Williams 140 10 7.14% Jose Cedeno 39 13 33.33%
Logan Landon 86 .517 3 3.49% 24 27.91% C.J. Chatham 184 13 7.07% Hunter Hearn 150 52 34.67%
Abrahan Gutierrez 220 .845 37 16.82% 31 14.09% Ronald Torreyes 380 25 6.58% Juan Herrera 17 6 35.29%
Austin Listi 214 .573 19 8.88% 46 21.50% Odubel Herrera 502 31 6.18% Andrew Knapp 171 65 38.01%
Ryan Cordell 226 .703 24 10.62% 87 38.50% T.J. Rivera 99 5 5.05% Ryan Cordell 226 87 38.50%
Hunter Hearn 150 .426 15 10.00% 52 34.67% Rodolfo Duran 135 6 4.44% Corbin Williams 140 54 38.57%
Rudy Rott 88 .630 9 10.23% 19 21.59% Logan Landon 86 3 3.49% Cole Stobbe 204 89 43.63%

 

2 thoughts on “2021 Org Rates – BB% and K% (Batters)

  1. The smaller the delta bewteen BB% and K% the better…unless BB%>K%, now that is something else.
    Phillies need more of these players.

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