Threshers’ and Affiliates’ Recap (7/17/2021)

No winners again last night, although Lehigh Valley had a 6-run lead when the game was suspended after three innings.  Read further at your own discretion.

Oh, wait.  I read a comment in yesterday’s Recap that ticked me off.  I’m sick and tired of the revisionist history concerning Nick Pivetta.  He wasn’t very good here.  He wasn’t good enough to hold onto his rotation spot.  He’s one of the reasons the Phillies were always bringing in back-end starters who ultimately failed.  He didn’t want to pitch out of the bullpen, and his attitude and results bore that out.  He’s gone and nobody was sorry to see him go.  Nobody.  Stop lamenting his departure.  The next person who mentions his name does so with the risk of getting banged.  You are warned.  Don’t waste time and keystrokes trying to defend your comments.  That’ll probably get you banged too.  The problem with the trade wasn’t that we got two aging relievers who then underperformed in return for a head case.  The problem was that the owner wanted the two relievers even though the cost would include Connor Seabold.  Even if the two relievers pitched lights out, the GM knew the price was too high for two rentals.  But, the guy who signs the checks has the last say.

I’m also fed up with the whining and complaining about trades that involve low-level players.  You can’t look at the stat lines and determine if a trade was good or bad back when it was made.  None of you know what the circumstances were that brought about any trades.  I’m tired of blanket statements without any evidence or supporting data.  It makes me want to step away again for a while. This isn’t as much fun as it used to be.

Lehigh Valley (26-37) suspended in the top of the fourth inning with the IronPigs leading at Buffalo, 7-1.  They’ll finish tomorrow.  I think it’ll go the full nine, and the scheduled game will be shortened to seven.  Spencer Howard (1.25) pitched three innings and allowed one run on 5 hits.  He walked none.  Tweets by Jay Floyd stated that he gave up 3 consecutive singles (and the run) to start the game then struck out the side.  He was mostly 95 with a 96 and 97 in the first. Nothing higher than 94 in the third.  Mickey Moniak (.239) was 2-2 with a double, HR (10), and 4 RBI.  Cornelius Randolph is at the Complex.  He’s been throwing but was cagey when asked if he has any pain when he throws.  He says he’s ready to return.  But, every guy rehabbing down here thinks he’s ready.  

Reading (26-39) lost to Portland, 5-4.  The Phils fell short after falling behind 5-1.  Jack Perkins (2-1, 3.89) pitched five innings and gave up all five runs on nine hits.  He walked none and struck out four.  Daniel Brito (.292) went 2-4 with a HR (6).  Bryson Stott (.248) went 2-4 with a double and RBI.  Jorge Bonifacio went 1-3 with a double, walk, and 2 RBI.  The rest of the lineup went 2-20 with 2 walks, and 15 of the team’s 16 strikeouts.  SMH.

Jersey Shore (28-37) lost to Brooklyn, 6-1, again.  Kevin Gowdy (3-5, 4.18) pitched four innings and gave up 3 runs (2 ER) on five hits and a walk.  He struck out six.  Manuel Silva gave up the other 3 runs (0 ER) in 1.2 innings.  Casey Martin committed 3 errors, all fielding at second base.  Matt Kroon returned to action and had a double.  Logan O’Hoppe, Vito Friscia, and Jonathan Guzman had the team’s other 4 hits.  Friscia also had the team’s only walk.  Their only run scored in the eighth inning when the right fielder committed an error on Kroon’s double that let Keaton Greenwalt (HBP) score.

Clearwater (32-32) was embarrassed by Dunedin, 17-6.  The Threshers actually had a lead once.  A long delay due to lightning and heavy rain cost both teams their starting pitchers.  Fernando Lozano (2.01) pitched a scoreless first inning.  Recent callup Samuel Aldegheri pitched a clean ninth.  In between, three pitchers got hammered. Baron Radcliff (.200) went 2-2 with 2 runs scored, a HR (7), 2 walks, a SF, and 4 RBI. Marcus Lee Sang (.278), Ben Pelletier (.212), and Nicolas Torres (.244) had 2 hits each.

FCL Phillies (8-6) got crushed by the FCL Yankees, 11-0.  They were held to one hit, drew no walks, and struck out 13 times.  Wilfredo Flores got the only hit.  Nothing to see here.  Don’t know why they only played seven innings.  Well, six-and-a-half.

DSL Phillies Red (0-4) and DSL Phillies White (0-4) were scheduled to play each other.  The game was canceled.  So, neither team had a chance to get its first win.

The Affiliate Scoreboard, the FCL Scoreboard, and the DSL Scoreboard.


7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #1 draft pick RHP Andrew Painter
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #2 draft pick OF Ethan Wilson
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #3 draft pick OF Jordan Viars
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #4 draft pick RHP Micah Ottenbreit
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #5 draft pick RHP Griff McGarry
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #6 draft pick RHP Jose Pena
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #7 draft pick RHP Christian McGowan
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #8 draft pick RHP Jason Ruffcom
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #9 draft pick OF Gavin Tonkel
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #10 draft pick OF Logan Cerny
7/17/2021 – Phillies signed #11 draft pick LHP Andrew Baker
7/17/2021 – Phillies traded RHP Victor Santos to Boston Red Sox
7/17/2021 – Phillies activated RHP Connor Brogdon from the 10-day IL
7/17/2021 – Phillies optioned RHP Mauricio Llovera to Lehigh Valley
7/17/2021 – Phillies optioned CF Matt Vierling to Lehigh Valley
7/17/2021 – RHP Adam Leverett assigned to Reading from Jersey Shore
7/17/2021 – Jersey Shore activated RHP Noah Skirrow from the 7-day IL
7/17/2021 – Jersey Shore activated RHP Tyler McKay from the 7-day IL
7/17/2021 – LF Matt Kroon assigned to Jersey Shore from Reading
7/17/2021 – Jersey Shore released LF Hunter Hearn
7/17/2021 – LHP Samuel Aldegheri assigned to Clearwater from FCL Phillies

26 thoughts on “Threshers’ and Affiliates’ Recap (7/17/2021)

  1. Jim thank you for this Phillies blog… We all so appreciate your attention to detail and tireless work…It’s one of the best if not the best sports team blogs out there. Yet if it’s no longer fun for you walk away… It will be missed but the sun will rise tomorrow and we will manage..

  2. I too sometimes wonder, what Jim said, You cant imo take stats on a low level minor leaguer, involved in a trade, Do you know what he throws? His velocity? your just making a blanket statement based on a number in a low level league, I never knew that Middleton is that involved in the team, I hate that, sounds like another Daniel Snyder,

      1. Fastball about 90-93 mph. To me it looks like there’s some good run and sink on it; good changeup which probably explains a lot of his success so far. He only throws one breaking ball in this clip so it’s hard to get a sense of it. Seems to be a strikethrower who’s pretty advanced for his age since he just turned 21 and is having a nice time in AA so far.

        Looks like a #4 starter type if he stays on this track; probably not more unless his velo or breaking ball take a jump forward. I don’t know what he’ll be when he’s through developing but I do know what we got for him.

        1. So we had a list to give the Red Sox, This kid was part of that list so it means, we got a triple a player and the Red Sox are so smart they stole this kid, i will wait to see, I dont believe if they thought he was a starter even a back end, the are stupid enough to give him up for nothing

          1. I’m sure they didn’t look at it that way when they made the trade. So either 1) they don’t think he’s likely to be good enough to pitch in a ML rotation, 2) there’s some off the field reason, 3) they didn’t think he would progress to the point he’s at now or 4) they thought Chatham was good.

            1. I agree NL. Trying to be diplomatic. Whatever the Phils think of Santos now, they either didn’t think he was that good in January or they think Chatham is a major leaguer. Whether it was Fuld or DD, someone thought he was worth losing for Chatham.

          2. rocco… remember when Ed Wade, as the Astros GM, took Domingo Santana off the Phillies hands as the PTBNL from the Hunter Pence trade…..Santana, rumor had it, was put on the list by mistake.

  3. Obviously, tiny details (like the signing amount) matter, but how exciting to have the first ten+ rounds of the draft signed so quickly!!!! I wonder if the Phils have EVER done that within the first 5 post-draft days???? Perhaps illusory, but seems to denote a high level of preparedness, communication, and execution

  4. Brito keep rolling along, like to see him at LHV before the season is out,
    …..and hopefully Stott gets on a roll now after a brief slump.
    Also looks like Mickey Mo has also turned the corner on this season…his stock is on the rise now.

  5. Tough night, again. Howard sure looks like a future reliever some nights. If he can’t hold his FB speed into the 3rd inning, we’re looking at a future short reliever. Martin has been totally overmatched after his promotion and might have to be moved back down. His hitting problems appear to now be impacting his fielding. Not good. Perkins is very inconsistent? Some good games but some clunkers also.
    Good to see a few guys with multi hit games at least.
    Great to see the top 11 picks signed! Quickly also which means the scouts did their job. They should be at camp this week stretching out and maybe get into games in two weeks or so. Jim, watching them will be fun for you.

    1. i am confused Murray Did you go to game last night and see Howard lose velo? i only saw 4 innings and one run, 4 strikeouts, Why the comment?

  6. Have to think Lee Sang is a top 30 guy if he keeps hitting and continues to perform in CLW the rest of the way. When we lose a guy it just makes opportunity for others to step up. Thanks for all your hard work on this site, Jim.

  7. Personally, I don’t ever lament trading away a player if we get value in return. You have to give up value to get value (as someone on this blog routinely notes correctly). If Sixto becomes a stud, that’s fine because we got JTR and signed him to a long term deal. What I find exhausting is is not being able to unlock player’s potential and watching the same few clubs routinely be able to buy low and unlock huge upside. Not only from the Phillies. These same few clubs do it for many players from many teams. It would be nice to see real, solid examples of development on a consistent basis. That’s what frustrates me.

  8. There are probably a few prospects that are on a”high” right now and will fall to earth soon. I would identify these those that are trade chips; i.e. Dalton Guthrie at LHV, Daniel Brito Reading, Brian Marconi Reading, and I can’t think of any others. Can anyone expand on my thought? Thanks.

  9. Erubiel Armenta has now pitched in 9.2 innings which is 29 outs and has struck out 22. Still 0 earned runs 5 hits but 6 walks. Only pitches an inning or 2 at a time and seems to average 1 game a week. Any thoughts on him? 21 year old lefty at Jersey Shore.

  10. At a certain point, what Dalton Guthrie is doing at Lehigh won’t be SSS. I’ve heard people say that his approach at the plate is not great but he’s hitting .337 (including the 2 hits from yesterday’s suspended game). He’s hit up in the order and bottom. The bad news: he’s already 25 and he’s hitting WAY above what he did previously, which includes Reading where had a .640 OPS. So really not sure what’s going on here. He’s probably hit his way into the Phillies’ radar which is good for him.

    1. Sample size isn’t very large and underlying numbers at LHV aren’t great; overall numbers for the season aren’t great. I doubt his stock has changed much from the beginning of the season.

  11. Santos is a tough loss but don’t sell Chatham short. He looked very good in spring training and might have been called up this year if not for his injury. Maton outperformed any reasonable expectation based on his minor league numbers. And Torreyes has been crazy good with only Girardi in his corner initially. Depth is important over the whole season.

  12. Some brief thoughts on the Reading game last night: Perkins looked very hittable. FB sitting around 90 and a 75mph curve that kinda just hung there. Stott and Brito looked good at the plate. The opposing starter was throwing some heat so that may have contributed to the high amount of strikeouts. My hot dog was really good, partially due to the fact that I’ve started smuggling in packets of spicy mustard. Stott handled two plays in the field without issue, but his footwork doesn’t seem right.


    1. Good report Jeff,
      ….unfortunately, will have to report you for smuggling in contraband condiments….61 Pa. C.S. § 5902. 🙂

  13. My two cents which is probably worth less than that! Could not care less about Pivetta, and I care way more that the owner involved himself at all. I do, however, care that we make the Playoffs, and my “ do not trade” list is very short. Abel, Rojas, this year’s draft.

    1. I’m with you Matt….except my do not trade list is Able and this year’s draft. All else is on the table as far as I’m concerned to make the playoffs. Certainly you need to trust DD that he will make the best decisions even when it comes to “rental” players. Excited to see what happens.

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