Open Discussion: Week of June 29th

Sunday evening, several hours after the submission deadline, the Phillies published their 60-man player pool.  It includes 53 active players.  Seven slots remain vacant.

If you think like I think, this list did not come as a surprise.  The Phillies are a team that expects to compete for a division title.  Their player pool reflects that with a number of older, experienced players filling out their pool.  The only surprise is that there are only three catchers in the pool.  But that may change.

The list includes (40-man roster players in bold):

  • 23 RHP – Víctor Arano, Jake Arrieta, Connor Brogdon, Enyel De Los Santos, Zach Eflin, Édgar García, Deolis Guerra, Spencer Howard, Tommy Hunter, Trevor Kelley, Mauricio Llovera, Reggie McClain, Héctor Neris, Aaron Nola, Bud Norris, Blake Parker, Nick Pivetta, Ramón Rosso, Addison Russ, Connor Seabold, Robert Stock, Vince Velasquez, Zack Wheeler
  • 8 LHP – José Alvarez, Garrett Cleavinger, Cole Irvin, Damon Jones, Francisco Liriano, Adam Morgan, JoJo Romero, Ranger Suárez
  • 3 Catchers – Deivy Grullón, Andrew Knapp, J.T. Realmuto
  • 10 INF – Alec Bohm, Logan Forsythe, Phil Gosselin, Didi Gregorius, Josh Harrison, Rhys Hoskins, Scott Kingery, Jean Segura, Ronald Torreyes, Neil Walker
  • 9 OF – Jay Bruce, Kyle Garlick, Bryce Harper, Adam Haseley, Mikie Mahtook, Nick Martini, Andrew McCutchen, Roman Quinn, Nick Williams

Thirty-five of the players on the 40-man roster (which presently stands at 39) are included in the player pool.  LHPs Austin Davis and Christopher Sanchez, RHP Adonis Medina, and SS Arquimedes Gamboa were not placed in the pool.

NRIs RHP Drew Storen and OF Matt Szczur were released earlier on Sunday.  Storen might have had some value, but Szczur was injured all through the truncated spring.

Players who may be added to the pool at a later date might include – Davis, Jeff Singer, Anthony Swarzak, Christian Bethancourt, Darick Hall, Luke Williams, Austin Listi, Nick Maton.

The Phillies’ post-season aspirations and the short-season rules may have affected who was selected for the player pool.  NRIs who signed minor league contracts with opt-out dates had to be accommodated.  Once a player exercised his opt-out, he could not be signed and placed back in the player pool.  The Giants released/resigned 4 players Sunday including Pablo Sandoval to circumvent their opt outs.

Other rules probably dissuaded the Phillies from adding prospects who weren’t expected to contribute this season.

Let’s have a quick look at some of those rules.

  • 60-Player Pool – These are the players who can be in Summer Camp (ST2) and, when the season starts, play in ball games.  Teams can have up to 60 players in their pool.  This pool does not have to include players on the 40-man roster.
  • Active Roster – These are the players who can participate in a game.  When the season starts, there will be a 30-Man Active Roster (max, 25 minimum).  After two weeks, it becomes a 28-Man Active Roster, and two weeks later it becomes a 26-Man Active Roster (27th player available for a doubleheader).  Players on the Active Roster MUST be on both the 60- and 40-Man Rosters.
  • Once a player is removed from a team’s Player Pool, he cannot be added again.
  • A team removing a player from the Player Pool for a reason other than injury, suspension, or some other temporary protected removal (bereavement, paternity, TIL, FML, …) risks losing the player to waivers.
  • 3-Man Taxi Squad – This is a travel squad only.  It must include a catcher.  No official status.  Won’t necessarily be made public.  (Note: when the road trip is ended, the taxi squad players return to the Alternate Training Site.  The catcher can stay with the parent team as a bullpen catcher.  Taxi Squad players don’t get MLB salary or accrue service time.  They receive their MiLB salary AND the MLB daily food allowance of $108.50.)
  • Movement of players on the Active Roster is the same as during any other season.  A player who has options who is sent back to the Pool is unavailable to be called back up as stipulated in the rules (ten days, I think).  A player out of options must be designated for assignment and clear waivers.  If eligible, a player can become a free agent.  Just like always.
  • Only players in the 60-Man Player Pool may be traded.  A player acquired via trade must go onto the acquiring team’s 60-Man Player Pool.
  • After Opening Day, the players not on the 30-Man Roster will continue practicing at the team’s Alternate Training Site (ATS).
  • 40-Man Roster players NOT selected from the Player Pool will be paid their MLB salary.

I think the above rules give a clue why the Phillies haven’t gone heavy with young prospects in their Player Pool.  Injuries or sickness (COVID) might require them to play young guys not deemed ready for the majors or risk losing them if they tried to move them out of the Pool.

I would expect more catchers to be added, though.  As the Active Roster stands today, they would not have a catcher at the ATS when the team goes on the road.

I’ve added some Key Dates below.  The Transaction links are up to date.  The Transaction Log is current.

And, this is what three-plus months of no baseball at the Complex does to a person.

This is the Phuture Phillies Open Discussion for Phillies and other baseball topics.

Key Dates:

  • June 10-11, 2020 – Amateur Draft
  • June 14, 2020 – Teams can begin to sign non-drafted players
  • June 26, 2020 – MLB Transaction freeze ends, noon ET
  • June 28, 2020 – Deadline for submission of Club Player Pool to MLB, 4:00 PM ET (60-man roster)
  • July 1, 2020 – Training camp reporting date
  • July 23-24, 2020: Opening Day
  • August 1, 2020 – Signing period for 2020 draft picks closes
  • August 31, 2020 – Trade Deadline
  • September 15, 2020 – Deadline for players to be added to Major League roster for postseason eligibility
  • September 28-October 1, 2020 – Minor League Baseball Innovators Summit, Winston-Salem, NC
  • September 30, 2020 – Expiration of the Professional Baseball Agreement between MLB and MiLB
  • October 15, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT – Close of the 2019 international signing period
  •  October TBA – Trading resumes, day after the World Series ends
  • October – November TBA, five days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for teams to make qualifying offers to their eligible former players who became free agents
  • November TBA, fifteen days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for free agents to accept qualifying offers
  • November TBA – GM Meetings (Nov. 11-14, Scottsdale, AZ in 2019)
  • November TBA – Owners meetings (Nov. 19-21, Arlington, TX in 2019)
  • November 20, 2020 – Rosters set for Rule 5 Draft
  • November TBA – MLBPA executive board meeting (Nov. 26-29 in Irving, TX in 2018)
  • December 2, 2019 – Last day for teams to offer 2021 contracts to unsigned players on their 40-man rosters
  • December 6-10, 2020 – Winter Meetings in Dallas, Texas, at the Omni Dallas Hotel and Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center Dallas, held in conjunction with the Baseball Trade Show and PBEO Job Fair.
  • December 10, 2020 – Rule 5 Draft
  • January TBA – Rookie Career Development Program
  • January 15, 2021, 9:00 AM EST – Start of the 2020 international signing period

The rosters and lists are up to date as of June 28th … 355 players in the org

Transactions (newest transactions are in bold print)

  • 6/28/2020 – Phillies invited non-roster RHP Connor Seabold to spring training
  • 6/28/2020 – Phillies placed RHP Seranthony Dominguez on the 60-day injured list. Right elbow sprain
  • 6/28/2020 – Phillies released OF Matt Szczur
  • 6/28/2020 – Phillies released RHP Drew Storen
  • 6/27/2020 – GCL East released RHP Jason Lott (5/29/20)
  • 6/25/2020 – Phillies signed SS Casey Martin
  • 6/25/2020 – OF Baron Radcliff assigned to Williamsport
  • 6/25/2020 – RHP Carson Ragsdale assigned to Williamsport
  • 6/24/2020 – Phillies signed RHP Mick Abel
  • 6/24/2020 – RHP Mick Abel assigned to GCL East
  • 6/19/2020 – Phillies signed FA RHP Buddy Hayward to an MiLB contract
  • 6/19/2020 – RHP Buddy Hayward assigned to GCL West
  • 6/19/2020 – Phillies signed RHP Carson Ragsdale
  • 6/18/2020 – Phillies signed OF Baron Radcliff
  • 6/18/2020 – Phillies signed FA RHP Blake Brown to an MiLB contract
  • 6/18/2020 – RHP Blake Brown assigned to Clearwater
  • 6/17/2020 – RHP Chase Antle assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – LHP Jake McKenna assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – RHP Jonathan Hughes assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – LHP J.P. Woodward assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – RHP Billy Sullivan assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – RHP Noah Skirrow assigned to GCL West
  • 6/17/2020 – RHP Sam Jacobsak assigned to Clearwater
  • 6/17/2020 – LHP Jordan Fowler assigned to Clearwater
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA LHP J.P. Woodward to an MiLB contract
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA RHP Billy Sullivan to an MiLB contract
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA LHP Jake McKenna to an MiLB contract
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA RHP Chase Antle to an MiLB contract
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA RHP Noah Skirrow to an MiLB contract
  • 6/16/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA RHP Jonathan Hughes to an MiLB contract
  • 6/14/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA LHP Jordan Fowler to an MiLB contract
  • 6/14/2020 – Phillies signed NDFA RHP Sam Jacobsak to an MiLB contract

129 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of June 29th

  1. Jim, i think it’s time for you to shave. You’ve got Santa Claus seeing his shadow there.
    As for the 30, I think it’s the same story as back in March. I believe they’ll have 3 guys (Liriano plus 2 of Walker, Harrison, and Forsythe) claim 30 spots who will need 40 spots. With 1 spot open on the 40, they’ll need 2 more. With Austin Davis off the 60, it tells me he could be released. The other spot could be Gamboa or Williams. The 30 to 28 to 26 drop downs will just be guys on the 40 already, all pitchers probably.

    1. I had the exact opposite reaction; come December he could give his grandkids a nice treat by throwing on some red and carrying a bag around. Granted the way we’re headed he won’t be able to do more than video call them for Christmas…

  2. Nice “mug shot”, lol.

    Why was Austin Davis left off the pool of players? Thanks.

    1. I mentioned about Medina and Austin Davis not making a pool is also something want to understand why. But there are still 7 spots left in the pool so Medina, Davis, Sanchez and possibly Marchan and Moniak might be included.

      As for the chopping block, I can see McClain, Guerra and Knapp (due to Marchan) are the 3 possible DFA candidates to add the needed talent to the roster.

  3. Hah…..Holy Ghost Firebird’s own Wolfman Jim.

    The 60…really thought Bethancourt would be there,
    he seem to be a having a very good ST

    1. What year HGP? Been reading this site for several years…did not know you were a Firebird

  4. The omission of 2019 prospects on the 60 is a mistake.. No slam against some of the players as I don’t have the organizational depth that many others have on this site but some of the names I had barely heard of and weren’t even listed on the’s Phillies Top-30 prospects. I realize that there are six spots left so this could change and the Phillies are maintaining roster flexibility by staying under the 60 man for now… Were at 31 pitchers now so not likely anymore get added this season… LHP Miller jumped up from the GCL to end the year on the Threshers roster… That’s technically four levels in one year and now he sits until fall/instructs that are in no way a given? I hope Stott gets one of the remaining spots… Having your 2019 1st rounder sit out nearly a year is idiocy…

    1. Do not think they want to burn an option year on guys like Stott and Miller just yet…..not for just maybe a handful of MLB games.
      Plus Girardi probably does not have full faith to throw them into deep water with the sharks in a sprint season.
      Understand MLB are thinking of having an extended/lengthened AFL season…starting early and ending a little later…pus teams may have their own FILs lengthened.

      1. I agree about Stott and Miller (as much as we love to see them) but if there Top 30 prospects that are candidates that can be included, they are mostly like Moniak, Maton, Dohy and possibly Marchan and Muzziotti,

  5. Are you a “Dead head”, Jim?
    Jerry Garcia never looked so good😁

    Anyway, there’s nothing about the 60 man list that strikes me. I have to assume at least one more catcher will be added. Doesn’t Marchan need to be protected this November? I can see Bethancourt added but what’s his contract status?

    It looks like a fluid situation regarding a bubble guy like Williams. Gamboa and Medina on the outs? (Kuko’s back, and Adonis is still on the 40man? Ha!)

    1. Hi 8mark, I made sure to give you a shout on my return. It also happens that I have something to say that involves our best pal Adonis Medina so it’s very convenient!

      1. There’s a zero percent chance they release Knapp. Marchan is not ready for the majors. Bethancourt might still get added to the 60 if he accepts a minor league deal but Grullon is on the 40 and is ahead of him.
        Austin Davis looks like he’s done as a Phillie. I think it’s time for Williams to go also.
        I agree that I’d like to see some top prospects on the 60 and playing. Moniak and Stott are the obvious ones but Maton, Hall, Listi, Muzziotti, Miller and Morales deserve consideration also.

        1. Once the 30 man roster is constructed in mid-July, I think we’ll see some 40man shakeup which will be reflected in the 60 man list.

      2. 👍right on, Kuko! I’m actually hoping Medina turns the corner. Seriously. Perhaps a new pitching coach, be it Bryan Price or another new voice in the organization, can unlock something in the kid’s repertoire.

    2. 8mark….Marchan needed to be protected last November and no team picked him up…not this time around however….he will probably be picked up

  6. I agree the 19 draft kids aren’t ready but by putting them on the training team and not the 40 man the Phillies still protect their controllable value and they continue to develop… Our old buddy the Law of Unintended Consequences of stunted development will likely raise it’s head for a minor league system that’s already struggling with player development…

    1. Phillies is in the WIN-NOW mode with JTR, Harper, Nola, Rhys and others are approaching their prime years. If the Phillies will put somebody in the pool or roster or whatever, it should be someone who can be called up and help contribute right away so they are mostly the prospects in the high minors. Preferably, the Phillies will just fill the remaining slots with proven MLB players on a walk away year.

  7. The bullpen will start with 8 plus 4 =12 arms. The 8 seem set, assuming health (a huge assumption), with Arano, Hunter, Neris, Pivetta (or Vinnie), Alvarez, Liriano, Morgan and Suarez. They’ll add 4 more in the 30 man who will go back when they drop down to 26. I think Irvin and Garcia get the first 2 while Guerra and Stock have the inside track to the last 2. The team won’t waste 40 man spots yet for these last 2 spots for just a few weeks. Other thoughts?
    I still think they’ll have a hard time getting Zithromax odd man out from Walker, Forsythe, and Harrison to stay on the 60 although they’ll try. Our manager might even want Torreys instead which would shake things up.

  8. So with the initial 30 man roster (1st 2 weeks) I assume that with the DH, teams will load up on arms, say 15 pitchers and 15 position players, especially since the 3 batter minimum won’t be in effect in 2020. Here’s a stab at it, bearing in mind the likelihood that Joe Girardi prefers veterans in this scenario…

    C (3) JT Realmuto, Andrew Knapp, Deivy Grullon

    IF (6) Rhys Hoskins, Scott Kingery, Didi Gregorius, Jean Segura, Alec Bohm, Josh Harrison* (other veteran players like Forsythe, Walker or Gosselin) may fill the utility role as well…I consider them interchangeable.)

    OF (6) Bryce Harper, Andrew McCutchen, Roman Quinn, Adam Haseley, Jay Bruce, Kyle Garlick

    SP (6) Aaron Nola, Zack Wheeler, Jake Arrieta, Zach Eflin, Nick Pivetta, Spencer Howard

    RP (9) Vince Velasquez, Hector Neris, Adam Morgan, Jose Alvarez, Ranger Suarez, Francisco Liriano, Tommy Hunter, Robert Stock and Deolis Guerra.

    1. I stand corrected on the 3 batter minimum. MLB just officially announced the 2020 rules and the rule will apply. I was under the impression that they were skipping that until next season.

  9. My concerns are Rhys rebounding from an awful second half last year, Kingery stepping up his game, and the Bullpen. I don’t have much faith in the BP, although I have a good deal in Rhys, and I believe in Kingery. I think BPs are going to be huge these 60 games, and I complained all off season that we did not do enough. I am not even that high on Neris as a closer

    1. Hey there Matt! i have more faith with the bullpen. I think the BP guys can exceed expectations and the farm can provide a steady flow of replacement arms that can contribute.

      My concern is still the rotation outside of Nola and Wheeler. Arrieta is on the downward slope and the trio of Eflin-PIvetta-Vinny are unreliable. With a short season, the Phillies cannot afford on “hope” that Eflin-Pivetta-Vinny with figure it out before it’s too late.

      The Phillies needs more than Howard as the fallback option. Most of the arms in the high minors are better in the BP role. Seabold is solid but lacks impact stuff. Outside of Howard-Seabold, SP option from the farm is really thin.

  10. Hi KuKo, I actually think that we will need to rely on the farm to aid the BP as the season moves along. You raise a good point about the Rotation, even more so if Wheeler misses a couple of starts because he and his Wife are expecting their first child. I thought it was right at the time the season is supposed to start. I haven’t heard any update about that.

  11. Matt Klentak talked about a few things this afternoon…mostly expected
    ….all Phillies anticipate playing even with the COVID-19 hanging over their heads
    ….Wheeler may only miss a little time, does not expect a long extended time off
    — Odubel…still could be added to the 60…not sure if this was just a nice gesture on his par or the appropriate thing to say when it comes to MLBPA issues concerning Herrera’s case.
    —Cutch is ready to go
    –Spencer Howard and Alec Bohm he sees as having the opportunity to contribute in 2020

    1. Romus, regarding COVID and the Phillies. Remember that 7 Phillies tested positive at Spectrum Field and one not in Clearwater. Most of the guys working out at Spectrum Field were on the 40-man roster. One was a high prospect not on the 40. Most were rotation-type pitchers. I heard the one from outside Clearwater was a starting position player.

      I don’t know for sure who, but it would be smart for Klentak to play coy on Covid, which was my interpretation of his quote in an article I can’t find now. I know people will say it’s good that they had it early, well before the start of the season. But, nobody knows who, how the infection affected them, or if they are experiencing any after affects.

      I’m sure Harper and Wheeler feel self-inflicted pressure due to there contracts. But, if I were either of them, I would really think hard before committing to playing.

      I would have thought that placing Herrera in the Pool with the intention of activating him for the opening of the season would have been strongly considered. There might be less push back from baseball starved fans since his February apology. Plus, with empty stands, who’s going to be there to complain. He might play well enough to be traded before fans are allowed to attend. You’re right, though. They have to appear to want to play Herrera so that when they release him for a baseball reason, there is little evidence for the association to question the decision. (If they’re patient, a baseball reason could surface that will at least save them next season’s salary.)

      Some writer (Salisbury?) already broached the subject of holding Bohm and Howard out for a week so the Phillies don’t lose a year of control. If they only have to wait a week, I think they’ll do it. I know this is a hot button topic for some people. But, it’s not illegal. It’s a service time manipulation loophole that the union failed to close. Some baseball writers act like it’s a terrible act. I think it’s just smart business.

      1. Yeah Jim,
        Two Nats are sitting out the season Joe Ross and Ryan Zim…..Zim’s wife has MS and he has a young family…so can understand the reluctance for those players who have wives/children and do not want to be responsible for bringing something like COVID-19 back to them. Also Mike Leake , the pitcher, is sitting it out also.

        Service time issue…..I am with you on the matter.
        Seems most all fans and some writers want major changes……well come CBA time in Dec 2021, what will the MLBPA give up….in the give and take negotiation process. That has been the issue the last two CBAs….union does not want to give up anything they already have earned through past CBA negotiations.

        Bottom line… always seems to come down to the guarantee contract issue and what will MLBPA do to modify it if they want something else in return.


          1. Romus is right. Odubel is guaranteed 20.2 million more dollars. He gets it whether he ever takes another AB for the Phillies (any other club) or not.

          1. Jim … while it’s true the Phillies can only release Odubel for baseball reasons, I’m almost positive they are still responsible for the money promised to Odubel when he signed the deal. The contract is guaranteed and the team must still fork over the remaining guaranteed dollars (7.35 mil in 2020, 10.35 mil in 2021, and a 2.5 mil buyout) no matter what.

            1. Perhaps. I understand it differently. I think they can release him for any reason whatsoever and still pay his salary thru the life of his contract (or the difference between this contract and a new contract with another club (usually league minimum). Or, they can release him for a baseball reason – not following team rules, missing practices/games, participating in other sporting events (like baseball back in Venezuela or some sport other than baseball), poor performance, reporting out of shape, … and not have to pay his salary. I’ll delve into the CBA and MLR for an explanation.

            2. By “baseball reasons”, I was referring to on field performance/lack of performance. Sorry about the confusion.
              From what I remember, Odubel accepted a 80+ game suspension for his domestic abuse incident in AC, and cannot be released or punished a second time for the same episode.
              I do agree that the Phillies could have a case to void Herrera’s deal if he would recklessly break team rules (miss multiple games or practices as an example). However, the union is so strong, I can’t think (off the top of my head) of an instance when a MLB team has been able to void a players’ deal (maybe Steve Howe by the LAD’s?, or Felipe Vazquez by the Pirates?). I know the NYY’s contemplated a legal fight to rid themselves of Johnny Damon’s deal a year ago because he used an outside doctor, but they thought better of it. There may be (plenty of) other instances, but I can’t remember them.
              The good news is that even though the Phillies owe Odubel 20+ million through the end of 2021, he only counts 6.1 million against the cap (which is the only number that should really matter to fans).


      The minimum period of placement on the Major League Paternity Leave List shall
      be one day and the maximum period of placement shall be three consecutive days, during
      which placement the player is not to be permitted to be with the player’s Club.

  12. Braves are carrying seven catchers on their 60…..Marlins are carrying six, and the Mets five and Nats are at six.
    Just wondering what Matt Klentak’s strategy is.

    1. Heh, you wonder what Klentak’s strategy is? Heh, heh, heh, yeah I wonder what Klentak’s strategy is, in fact I’ve been wondering that for a long time.

  13. Wheeler wants to see the birth of his first child, he certainly deserves that right. I’m sure he won’t miss very many days. He might not even miss a start if he pitches game 4 or 5 rather than game 2.

    1. I know if i was Wheeler, and was having a baby, I would not play this year, Too much risk involved

      1. rocco… need to petition and pray to your namesake saint ..St Rocco…..he is the saint to combat plagues/pandemics….lets get going, time is wasting.

  14. From jim’s post, paternity leave is much less than I thought. So, they can set up the Rotation so Wheeler doesn’t miss a start.

  15. Saw D Rob may be back early Sept.

    A little concerned on the lack of early movement with JTR contract talks

  16. ESPN’s Bradford Dolittle has run 10,000 MLB season simulations through a software package.
    The results:

    * The Phillies are the 14th best team
    * Six (NYYs [2], Nats [4], Braves [5], Rays [8], Mets [10], BoSox [11]) of the top 11 clubs in MLB reside in the NL East and AL East (the two divisions the Phils will be playing all their games in).
    * The odds of the Phillies making the postseason have gone up a little bit since this same exercise was performed in February (probably because Spencer Howard is part of the rotation for a greater percentage of the season). According to the software, The Phillies have a 30.56% chance of reaching the playoffs, 11% chance of winning the division, 3.44% chance to win the pennant, and 1.1% chance to capture the WS.

    Here’s a blurb from the story: “I’ve given Spencer Howard seven starts for the Phillies, and his 3.48 ERA ranks third among Philadelphia’s starters, behind Aaron Nola and Jake Arrieta. Zack Wheeler (6-10, 4.50 ERA) has disappointed, but if his real-life self doesn’t follow suit and the Phillies are aggressive with Howard, you could see that rotation developing into one of the league’s best.”

    1. Tulsa Drillers have been operating for a while like the season is canceled. They are participating in the TCL (Texas Collegiate League) with other AA teams. It’s made up of the top college prospects from the region. Pretty exciting. Heck, it’s like MiLB minus paid players.

  17. The Phillies released and re-signed RHP Anthony Swarzak. He’s expected to be added as the 54th player on the 60 max list.

    1. LOL.. Would love to understand what this brings to the team other than whoever throws BP that day and needs some time off how this helps the Phillies? I guess they have their guy..

  18. Does anybody know why JTR is not signed yet? I saw news that the Phillies are willing to pay $23M/year which I think is fair on both side – is there a problem with the length of the contract? I thought the the shutdown lowers the market value of the players so I thought the Phillies can easily move in sign JTR at a lower price tag vs pre-shutdown.

    1. KuKo….$130m/5 yrs ($26M AAV) is what I read somewhere …what his agent is looking at…maybe that is a starting figure for them and working down in an negotiation.
      Phillies starting at $23M AAV..maybe working up..
      Probably end up at Ryan Howard’s contract….$125M/5 yrs.

      1. I’m comfortable with 5/$125M. I don’t think he’ll get that on the open market. There’s an element of good will which counts for something in his case, being a leader and the best C in baseball. I go back to offering him 4/$96M with 2 vesting option years, AND a player opt out after 3 years as an offset.

        1. Yep…..The Phillies have shown that they are not cheap…they are generous…just look recently at their their third round pick….giving him good 2nd round money.
          I do think the length is important for a 30 year old player, so will see where it all goes.

          1. The money to Martin was skimmed from other signees bonuses since all teams deal with a fixed amount of signing bonus money based on their prior year finish… Yet I do agree with the Phillies being generous..

            1. A better example is that the Phils are one of the few teams on record to both pay their employees throughout this whole pandemic as well as their minor leaguers. I’m not sure how much they’re giving the minor leaguers, but as far as organizations go the Phils have always been one of the best about treating their players and employees well.

              Hopefully that leads to more amateurs putting us highly on their list of preferences.

      2. $125M/5 years seems to be fair to me. The Phillies’ window to compete in the next 3 years and JTR is the best option (at Catcher) they have and they should lock it down.

        It is really important that Bohm, Howard and possible 2 more top prospects pan out to provide financial flexibility.

            1. You shouldn’t be. I’ve always said he was an excellent player and he is good enough that he can secure more than a 4 year contract, so to keep him, you’ll need to give him 5 years. I can live with this if it’s through his age 34 season knowing the last year or two might not be good. But I wouldn’t give him 6 years unless the payments were seriously front loaded or there was a mutual option and buyout for the 6th year. But 5 years, $125 million – he will probably underperform that, but hopefully not by much.

  19. Klentak came out yesterday in a media source and said that the environment has changed and players can no longer expect to get what they might have prior to the pandemic. He also said they would like to keep JTR but things would have to be reviewed under the new operating environment. Whatever that means ?

    Irrespective – I think the Phillies organization deserves a pat on the back for not only honoring commitments to employees but now they have said they would pay minor leaguers this year. I don’t know really how much $$ that is – but it is in keeping with the “family atmosphere” the team exudes. Is it any wonder that they got 6 of the top 20 unsigned free agent pitchers available in the college ranks ? I don’t think their m – o is missed. Kudos to them !

    1. 100% agree with you, RU. The cost of MiLB salaries for the 2020 season is a small price to pay for future goodwill with players (major leaguers, minor leaguers, and amateurs). Same can be said for Middleton’s promise to not furlough/pay all front office personnel/scouts/coaches through the end of October. It’s a really good look for the franchise.

  20. As for really bad contracts, how about Bobby Bonilla getting $1.19M every July 1 since 2011 until 2035 when he’s 72….another Mets mess. Just wanted to share those good tidings for us to gloat. At least there was a foreseeable end to the Big Piece’s deal.

    1. An able to collect Social Security in 5 years….he should be able to get by. (tic)

    2. The defered payments were not part of the original contract. It was part of the agreement for cutting him before the 2000 season. Instead of paying Bonilla the $5.9 million he was owed on 2000 the Wilpons agreed to pay him that money at 8% compound interest. The Wilpons thought this was a great deal because they (thought they) were making 25% return on their investments with Bernie Madoff. So instead of paying Bonilla $5.9 by the end of the contract the Wilpons will have paid him $29.8 million. Compound interest is an amazing thing.

  21. Romus i am down the lakes, Guess who is here with me? Romus you been on Social Secutity since 1989 wow

    1. rocco…and what group have you seen down there?
      Security will only let you go so far..

      1. Romus i am security. So far i have seen a lot of guys who i dont know,,

  22. Klentak is parroting what the owners are trying to sell. Just my opinion. There are teams who will step up to get premier talent. That will never change.JTR is the best Cin baseball. Will we be a team that steps up? Or back with the pack? We need him, and if we overpay the last 2 years, but we win once in the first 3, then I simply don’t care. Either Middleton wants his trophy back or he was lying to us. We should be, with the Dodgers and Yankees and Red Sox, one of the elite teams each and every year. Understand, my faith is in Middleton. I have none in MacPhail or Klentak

    1. Matt, I’m with you. :Philadelphia is the fourth largest media market in the country. Let’s act the part. Also agree on believing in Johnny Cigar but not MacPhail or Klentak.

  23. Jim –

    No updates on udfa signings, since the 10 pitchers. You indicated there was another group, including some position players, to be announced. Any info you can share ?

  24. I like to see Harper wearing a JTR shirt-sey….He’s basically telling the Phillies to sign JTR!!

    1. Kuko, I’m heading home now to put on my
      ’20 HARPER
      ‘Barrel Up The Ballot’ tee shirt.

      Opening day
      McCutchen lf
      Realmuto c
      Harper rf
      Hoskins 1b
      Gregorius ss
      Segura 3b
      Bruce DJ
      Kingery 2b
      Haseley or Quinn cf


      1. i have the same roster and order although I can see Quinn getting the shot ahead of Haseley if he’s healthy.

        1. Remove Kingery, for now, by July 24 he may be avaiable…..Kingery, Neris, and Ranger Saurez all on the DL…not sure if it is COVID-19 DL , but after one day still could be a physical ailment.

  25. Ranger, Hunter, Kingery and a 4th player were put on injured list today with no explanation. No idea if Covid related or not, and no idea how long they will be out.

    1. matt13…hah we posted the same info.

      “We’re allowed to talk about numbers, but we’re not allowed to give individual names,” Cubs GM Hoyer told ESPN. “It’s up to those individuals to decide if they want to announce it. As a group, with the media, we’re going to have some conversations about what we can talk about and what we can’t talk about. We’re not at liberty to say which injured list a player is placed on.”

      Cashman said on a conference call with reporters, “The information I’ve been given is (the media) will be left to try to figure that out. Somebody might be down and out, but we might not be able to speak to why, and it would be a speculating circumstance (for which) you would have to use your journalistic superpowers to determine if there’s anything there or not, what the circumstance might be.”

  26. Romus, we were right on top of the story! Do we know how long they are out? We are only guessing that it is Covid-19 related, so 14 days? I am not sure of the protocol.

      1. Jim Salisbury
        Joe Girardi was prohibited from expounding on why Kingery, Suarez, Neris, Hunter are on IL. He could not guarantee they would be ready for opening day. Possible, yes, guarantee, no

  27. Quinn is out indefinitely. He tore a minor tendon in his hand while “using cutlery” . . . possibly available at the end of the postseason. It’s always something.

    1. I don’t know about Quinn but I do know about another cutlery accident. Put down the knives boys!

    2. Are you sure you’re not talking about the Cubs Jose Quintana? He lacerated his hand while washing dishes and had t have surgery. This came out today.

      1. Quintana suffered a laceration while doing dishes. A piece of advice: from now on, the automatic dishwasher.

  28. Today is July 2, I’m actually excited to check baseball news because of the IFAs until I saw that Jan 15 is the new July 2.

    I saw the Phillies is linked to MLB#7 lefty C Ricardo Perez. There’s only 2 arms in the Top 30 and one is 20 yo! The Phillies still need to load them arms.

    Draft and IFA talks is a baseball aspect that I like but that changed this year.

  29. Looks like Matt Breen reported that Scott Kingery, Tommy Hunter, Hector Neris, & Ranger Suarez – were placed on the COVID-19 Injured List.

  30. Seranthony Domínguez has yet to have his Tommy John surgery..
    Looks like it will now be 2022 before he is ready to air it out again.
    Typical recovery can be from 12 to 18 months.
    If not for the pandemic, Domínguez almost certainly would have had the surgery back in March before elective surgeries were postponed.

  31. Are we confirmed that it was Jose Quintana and not Roman Quinn who cut his hand and will be out?

  32. That was my annual apocryphal Roman Quinn injury story – cmon – it’s believable! When I wrote it I had no idea about Quintana’s injury. So Roman’s not hurt . . . Yet!

  33. It’s my understanding MLB teams are communicating with their minor league players in masse to stay ready but they likely won’t be getting together until the fall. By now what minor leaguer hasn’t figured that out….

  34. What happens to baseball if their best player decides to sit it out this season.
    Mike Trout is thinking hard with the baby due next month.

    1. I would if i was Trout. People with money like Trout and Romus dont need to play imo

      1. Still hoping Cole Hamels, Stephen Strasburg and Jacob deGrom all decide to sit it out.

  35. Test results are in, reported jointly by the league and union….1.2% positive, 31 out of 3185 players, along with 7 staffers. Very encouraging however one chooses to interpret the numbers.

  36. I see the Phillies added three players to the 60-man pool. Two catchers one pitcher O’Hoppe, Lartigue and Swarzak…

  37. It’s probably posted here but is there any site that is keeping an updated player pool? I don’t see it on the Phillies site.

  38. This season will be crazy, if there is one. I think the most likely headlines in October about this season will be:

    1) 2020 Season Cancelled due to Covid
    2) Can You Believe The ______ Won The World Series?
    3) Why MLB Decided to Continue Season After The “Insert Team Name Here” Had to Forfeit Due to Covid”
    4) The “Yankees, Astros, Dodgers, Nationals, Cubs, Indians, or Braves” Win The World Series!!!

    I truly believe the success or failure of this season for teams will be determined by how well they keep their players from getting Covid. Those with the best health measures and most responsible players could surprise and those on the other end could be in trouble. I suspect we’ll see an unlikely team win it all this year, if the season actually is completed. No lead in the standings will be safe because every team is one press release away from announcing two starting pitchers, their cleanup hitter, and closer are out for 2-6 weeks with Covid. Strange times for sure

    1. Buddy B … A+ for that post. I agree with it all. This truncated season (if it even finishes) will be determined in large part by which teams can best stay covid free.

    1. I do think two negative tests for those . get you off the COVID List… it is not a14 day quarantine.

      “Correction: Aaron Nola is NOT on the COVID-19 list but he has been kept away from Phillies camp because of COVID-19 protocols meaning he could have tested positive, came in contact with an infected person, or showed symptoms”.
      — Matt Breen (@matt_breen) July 5, 2020

  39. I think Buddy’s point #1 will be the ultimate outcome of the 2020 season, so I’m not getting too excited about this baseball banter.

  40. I listen to MLB radio on Sirrus and they are pretty uniformly critical of the Phillies and Mets for their 60-man roster construction.. The issue is too many minor league vets and not enough prospects…

    1. Its 60 games, who really cares who is on a roster, Whoever wins, is winning nothing, its something to watch, but no true champs come out of this season of 60 games,

      1. rocco…..make sure you wear your mask at the parade on Broad Street….that is it … just the mask…remember your promise if they ever win a World Series again.

        1. Romus………the mask will give him that “air of security” as he airs it out, so to speak!

        1. That’s a relevant point. If this season, or whatever comes of MLB 2020, counts for nothing more, it’s an opportunity to see how our future hopefuls develop at the highest level. Write off the year if you want, but there’s a lot to be found out in any case. Let’s not slit our collective wrists over what could be a formative few months of baseball regardless of the unusual circumstances.

          1. The only two I want to see is Howard and Bohm…….wanted to also see Medina, but who knows what gives there.
            All the remaining prospects need to keep doing what they are doing to stay in shape.
            I suppose the Latin kids…in the DR… may be at the academy, just a guess.

            1. Wow…forgot all about O’Hoppe……I do not think he will see any live action….unless the team suffers COVID-19 teamdemic…..but he will gain experience practicing with the big guys in LHV.

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