Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #12 Prospect

Roman Quinn was your selection as the #11 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

Quinn received 104 of 268 votes (39%). Enyel De Los Santos finished second (49, 18%), Tom Eshelman finished third (32, 12%), and Cornelius Randolph finished fourth (28, 10%). Fifteen players split the remaining 55 votes. 

Roman Quinn had another injury-shortened season in 2017.  In six six seasons since being drafted, he has enjoyed only one injury-free season, 2012 in Williamsport.  Quinn was drafted out of high school in the second round of the 2011 June Amateur Draft.  When he is on the field, Quinn is an exciting player.

Quinn has put together a nice resume in the minors.  His career slash in 1789 plate appearances is .276/.352/.400/.752 with 158 walks 367 strike outs, and a SB rate of 77.2%.

Quinn got a call up to the Phillies in 2016.  He saw action in 15 games and posted a .263/.373/.333/.706 while stealing 5 bases in 6 attempts.

Quinn’s game is a speed game and hinges on his ability to get on base.  He has 169 stolen bases in his minor league career, a BB% of 8.8%, and puts the ball in play with a K% of 20.5%.  He shows modest power with 25 HRs among his 113 minor league XBH.

Quinn started as a SS in the organization and wasn’t moved to CF until 17 games into the 2014 season in Clearwater, right around the time J.P. Crawford arrived at Advanced A.  He’s a slightly above average fielder with a slightly above average arm.  He needs to be in CF, as his below average power doesn’t profile well in a corner OF position.

He was the Phillies’ priority player in the 2014 Arizona Fall League.  He got 110 plate appearances in 24 games and batted .250 against the top prospects sent to the league.  He stole 14 bases in 16 attempts, walked 16 times, and struck out 16 times.  The only thing left for Quinn to accomplish is to stay healthy and make the Phillies roster.

Next up is your selection for the #12 prospect in the organization with Ben Pelletier, Jhordany Mezquita, and Jesse Valentin added to the poll.

 

2018 Readers’ Poll, so far –

  1. Sixto Sanchez
  2. Scott Kingery
  3. J.P. Crawford
  4. Jhailyn Ortiz
  5. Jorge Alfaro
  6. Adam Haseley
  7. Adonis Medina
  8. Franklyn Kilome
  9. Mickey Moniak
  10. JoJo Romero
  11. Roman Quinn

 

47 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #12 Prospect

  1. This is the area where the group consensus and my thinking deviate. Up until Moniak, at #9, I was a place or two different than the group. I have Moniak #18 and Quinn at #21. We all know why but I also see the potential of both of these guys. The organization has a lot of potential in it. For me, De Los Santos is my current pick and Morales is after him. Eshelman is after the two of them. Here are 3 pitchers who don’t look very much alike but each in their own way could make an impact on some future rotation. Eshelman could be knocking at the door this year. De Los Santos could easily be kicking that door in 2019 and Morales could be knocking the darn door down is 4 or 5 years.

  2. Only two players younger than 22 finished in the FSL’s top 20 in wRC+ and wOBA last season: Cornelius Randolph and Ke’Bryan Hayes. The latter is ranked No. 4 in the Pirates org — ahead of Kevin Newman — and is seen as a potential top 100 player this season. The former is … not. Both are just 20 years old.

    Hayes is a 3B like his dad, which adds to his value, but it still begs the question: Why doesn’t Randolph get more love? He gets on base and has developed a nice amount of pop in the past year. His hit tool hasn’t exactly been what was advertised when he was drafted, but he’s clearly got the ability to put the wood on the ball. I’m hoping for big things from this kid this year.

    Randolph here.

    1. To answer your question, it’s because he’s limited to LF and there’s some noise that he won’t even be able to stick there. So his value is tied completely to his bat.

      That said, he’s a fine pick at this point.

  3. Change of heart here. I had de los Santos in my top 10 sans Alfaro or Quinn. Now, upon further review and reading that his ceiling is a #4, I’m going with Randolph. EDLS will remain in my top 15 (Eshelman next at #13). C’s overall tool set is not that impressive but IF he becomes a .300/.360/.450 guy with 15-20 hr power, his value as an AL commodity will be significantly higher. Hence a valuable trade piece should there be no opening in our outfield OR the NL not adopt the DH anytime soon.

      1. Don’t recall where, Romus. Heard his gas is impressive but doesn’t project very high. If you read or heard otherwise, please let me know. He’d be a steal for giving up one year of Freddy.

          1. yeah…Prospects1500…..it was a scouting report at midseason 2017.
            His average GameScores for his first half starts (13) was 46 and in the second half for his last 13 starts it was 55…so he picked it his production in the second half of the season.
            here is what the report said:
            “…..at 21 Enyel is younger than most of his peers in Double-A. His stats aren’t blowing away anyone just yet, but his stuff plays. It plays in Double-A and it’s expected to play in the bigs with expected development. Projected to be a back of the rotation starter.”

    1. While most of the us are not professional scouts by trade, i think we spent tremendous amount of time and $$ following the sport, the players and prospects we love including reading scouting reports, statistics, having discussions, etc. That being said, we can exercise some knowledgeable judgment on certain situations and not purely rely on somebody said at face value.

      IMO, a prototypical back of the rotation guy is a SP with an average grade pitch and command across the board. I think JP’s discussion below still holds true to date.

      https://phuturephillies.com/prospectprimer/the-20-80-scouting-scale-or-why-the-phillies-dont-have-a-1-and-maybe-not-even-a-2/

      Potential wise, Enyel delos Santos is not yet a finished product so we have to value him based on his perceived projection (future value). Based on various reports on delos Santos stuff – he possess a 93-95 FB with movement, average CB and potential above average CU with at least an average command/control. I don’t a back of the rotation in this profile given his physical frame and projection left — in fact this sounds like a #3 to me.

      I do a lot of readings too – but I don’t take everything at face value, I do my own research and verify. Not unless eye test will prove delos Santos is an average pitcher – he is a potential #3.

      delos Santos still have my vote as the next best prospect available.

  4. C. Randolph is my #12. He has been working on skills. His switch into more of a power mold seemed to have hurt his BA, but his OBP is good. Randolph is fascinating to watch as he turns from a high school player into a professional hitter. His future is home runs. Let’s see what Reading’s winds can do for him and how he hits around the Eastern League.

  5. Randolph. The fact he is falling doesn’t mean his prospect stock is falling. IMO it means the farm has gotten even stronger and deeper.

    1. Actually, I think it’s a little of both. I think his stock has fallen a little, but, by the end of the year it could up or down significantly. I don’t think we are all entirely sure what to make of him. He was drafted as a guy with a Tony Gwynn type of reputation and he really hasn’t been that, although he has the body but nowhere near his athleticism (people forget that the young Tony Gwynn could fly and he had fantastic hand eye coordination as the former point guard for San Diego state – he was a great athlete). C’s hit tool hasn’t been what we expected, but he’s developing a lot more power than expected, which is significant. He’s a bit of a curiosity, but he has some talent. Our MLB outfield is looking like it’s going to be quite talented one way or another, so C is going to have to progress nicely to project there – otherwise, he becomes a trade chip.

          1. I think he will, even if it doesn’t come right away. Between his ability and injuries, he’s likely to get a shot at some point.

            He’ll never blow you away with stuff, but he could absolutely put up numbers like Jeremy Hellickson, at a fraction of the cost.

  6. FYI – the description of Quinn is generally very good in the write-up, but I believe he has an absolute gun for an arm (it’s at least plus), although I cannot comment on his accuracy.

  7. C here for me again. Quinn at 12 is alright for me even though I have him at about 15 at best. C Esh and DLS are my next three

  8. Guys,

    I like Randolph and was impressed by what I saw of him last year at Clearwater, but I don’t think he has the upside to be an impact player. As Catch22 says, he was drafted as a Tony Gwynn type but doesn’t have Gwynn’s athleticism.

    This call is a change of heart for me. I was going with Cozens based on his power, athleticism and motivation to improve with OBP mates Hoskins and JP having graduated. But looking at his career, Cozens has had only one great year, 2016 in Reading, and even there his lefty-right and home-way splits were atrocious. Maybe he can’t improve enough.

    So, instead, I’m going with Darick Hall, a guy I haven’t seen in person, but who has impressed me from afar. He also has power, but has been much more consistent.

    1. Frank…I will be choosing Hall soon.
      Either 13 or 14.
      I want to also see how Jon Mayo/Jim Callis, MLB.com, rate him next month in their first basemen gradings.

  9. I hope “C” has a breakout season, but so far, he has not done much of anything. He was drafted as a guy with top level hitting tools. Not a lot else. A LF and no other OF spot, and not much power, but a terrific hitter. He has not hit very well, and now is working on his power stroke. That is all well and good, but the power really needs to develop before I consider him a good prospect again. I root for him, as I do all the players, but the Pitching and Dylan Cozens, I think, are ahead of him

    1. Actually, 13 homers in the FSL for a 20 year old is pretty decent power in that league. C’s power production was deceptively excellent. He finished 12th in the FSL in slugging and most of the guys ahead of him were first basemen or DHs and most were between 2-4 years older than him which is a MASSIVE difference. His power for his age in the FSL were quite good last year and his power should explode at Reading. The real test, as Dylan Cozens now knows, will be at AAA. I expect C will handle AA just fine.

    2. matt13….Cozens’ Hi-A was at his age21 season…CCR was his age20 season and he popped more HR and slugged only .09 lower. Though their respective K and BB rates were a mixed bag….Cozens-20%K, 6%BB….CCR-25%K, 11%BB

        1. I am very optimistic he will hit at Reading. I still however, will want to see his away splits and if he can keep them at the same level, or close to that level, he hopefully will attain FirstEnergy

        2. I would feel much better if he hit 300 with 20 homers at Clearwater but he didn’t. I have DeLos Santos next with Quinn and C after him but they’re all close. I’m worried that C will be a Pullin which isn’t good enough to start in LF.

          1. @Murray – agree, I also throw that Pullin thing yesterday. Pullin had a career 0.324/.401/.557/.958 slash in REA at 454 AB (although Pullin is 2 years older). This site will probably explode if C posted those numbers in REA.

            I think Randolph is still a good prospect, but I can name at least 20 high ceiling prospects in the farm that I can go crazy before C. Maybe if C made it back to the Top 100, I will follow him more closely. A good year in REA will make C a good piece in a trade package.

      1. A K : BB rate of 25%:11% is far better than 20%:6% even though the delta is both 14%. The higher walk rate is far more impactful and reflects a good eye. I would take that ratio every day.

  10. I hope Pullin comes out at the start of the season and mashes the ball so I can listen to why he gets no respect on here. Granted I like his swing and line drives, and have stated he is one of my favorite bats, but I fail to understand why people have unproven bats rated higher? He was at the top end of the minor league bats? What am I missing?

    1. You’re missing at least 3 years worth of Phillies baseball. High draft picks in recent years, success in international front and trades replenished the farm with a lot of high upside prospects who are younger and more projection left than Pullin.

      Pullin, Sandberg, Pujols, Grullon, Tocci are no longer staple names in Phillies Top 30 Prospects.

      1. I get the whole high pick, projection, upside stuff…I want to see results. Pullin had the most extra base hits in the organization, and has been MILB organizational all star two years in a row at left field no power? Do you even read the stats? 20 homers and 43 doubles at 2A-3A 35 BB. 69 RBI Low strike out rate Tell me more about all these other guys and what they have done because I just don’t see it. pro sports littered with players that looked good playing against other teenagers then just never develop when they move up against better competition. To steal you have to have the green light. Was he given that? 8 SB caught twice. so 75 percent success rate. ? like I said I just give less concern for hype and more for facts. Pullin was responsible for 69 RBI at higher minors. When do we want to win? 6-7 years from now? oh well, lol just another poll. We know how that worked for Hillary.. 🙂

        1. Stats in the minors doesn’t necessarily translate to the majors.

          I want to see Pullin in the majors too and see what he can do. But I will not be fixated with the minor league stats like you do.

          In the minors, i rather see development and skills. Results will matter once these prospects becomes players in the major league.

        2. most of us are not pro scouts and don’t have access to data about all the players and prospects. did you even bother to ask why Pullin isnot getting any attention not only from Phillies’ upper brass but also from national outlets, other teams/GM and anybody who scout and develop baseball players all their life?

          If Pullin is as good as you think he is, he should already be in the 40-man or drafted in Rule V or been asked around for possible trades. Phillies can probably DFA Pullin and majority of the teams will not even pick him up.

    2. Pullin doesn’t get a lot of love because he doesn’t help with defense or baserunning, doesn’t hit for a lot of power and doesn’t walk much. A realistic projection is probably like, Greg Dobbs but he can’t play 3B.

  11. Carlos Tocci…

    Oh, he’s no longer with the organization. I was starting to twitch and thought it was because his name hasn’t been mentioned here of late. But I’m still twitching…

    Andrew Pullin…

    Ahh, that’s better.

  12. I’m not thrilled about Quinn here. A guy that is going to be 25, can’t stay on the field and was never a consensus top-100 prospect in his first 6 years of minors ball should not be anywhere in our top-20. We have guys with so much upside. We are such a deep system and this guy almost cracked our top-10? No way for me.

      1. Quinn has a game changing speed that’s why some fans are still high on him. But these prospects (currently outside of PP’s Top 12) have similar if not higher upside than Quinn.

        TOR potential – Morales, Gowdy

        MOR potential – Suarez

        Closer/High leverage RP – Seranthony, Edgar Garcia

        Premium INF – Brito, Gamboa, Guzman, Gonzalez, Luis Garcia

        Except Luis Garcia (hasn’t played any pro baseball yet), Kevin Gowdy (rehabbing from injuries) and Edgar Garcia (most likely converted to pen) – the names I mentioned above either within Quinn’s ranking or possibly ranked higher in somebody else’s ranking (like BA and PMT who value tools and projections than proximity).

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s