Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #9 Prospect

Franklyn Kilome was your selection as the #8 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

Kilome received 81 of 294 votes (28%).  Mickey Moniak finished second (63 votes, 21%). JoJo Romero finished third (61, 21%), Darick Hall finished fourth (36, 12%), and Roman Quinn finished fifth (29, 10%), and .  Twelve players split the remaining 24 votes.

Before I go further, it’s time to remind you that this is a free forum for everyone to vote and comment.  You do not have to show your support for your pick by denigrating people who make other selections.  You also don’t have to tear down the prospects that you didn’t vote for.  Don’t be children.  Respect everyone’s right to their opinion no matter how right you think you are and how wrong you think others are.  Mean people stink.

Franklyn Kilome was signed as an international free agent out of the Dominican Republic on January 22, 2013.

Kilome began his professional career with the GCL Phillies in 2014.  He posted a 3.12 ERA and 1.165 WHIP in 11 games and 40.1 innings.  He issued 11 walks (2.5 BB/9) and struck out 25  (5.6 K/9).  He made 8 starts, had 2 finishes, a 3-1 record.  He was 19-years old and had a 90-92 mph FB.  He had a developing SL.  During Instructs I had him at 90-93, touching 94 mph.

Kilome pitched in Williamsport in 2015.  He posted a 3.28 ERA and 1.257 WHIP in 11 starts and 49.1 innings.  Kilome missed a couple starts due to injury.  He issued 21 walks (3.8 BB/9) and struck out 36 (6.6 K/9).  He posted a 3-2 record.  His FB was reported to be 92-95 mph.  He touched 96-97 during ST and during one game in July.  He began working on a CB.

Kilome pitched in Lakewood in 2016.  He posted a 3.85 ERA and 1.422 WHIP in 114.2 innings.  He issued 50 walks (3.9 BB/9) and struck out 130 (10.2 K/9).  He posted a 5-8 record in 23 starts.  His FB was reported to be 91-96 mph.

Kilome spent mot of 2017 in Clearwater before being promoted to Reading for 5 starts. He posted a 2.59 ERA and 1.366 WHIP in 19 Threshers’ starts.  He issued 37 walks (3.4 K/9) and struck out  83 (7.7 K/9).  He posted a 6-4 record.  In his small sample in Reading, Kilome’s numbers moved a little in the wrong direction, but his FB remains 92-95, touching 96 and 97 mph.

Kilome will likely begin 2018 in Reading with an early promotion to Lehigh Valley and a September call up to Philadelphia.  He becomes Rule 5 eligible after this season.

Next up is your selection for the #9 prospect in the organization with no additional prospects added to the poll.


2018 Readers’ Poll, so far –

  1. Sixto Sanchez
  2. Scott Kingery
  3. J.P. Crawford
  4. Jhailyn Ortiz
  5. Jorge Alfaro
  6. Adam Haseley
  7. Adonis Medina
  8. Franklyn Kilome


117 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #9 Prospect

      1. Jim I’ve been coming to this site for years and I have never personally insulted anyone or crossed the line in any regard. If you can’t handle spirited debate and emotion from your readers than that’s your problem. Ban me then if you’re going to be a free speech nazi.

    1. What was embarrassing was MM’s performance last year. On performance alone, it was not top 30 worthy, let alone top 10 worthy. But maybe you don’t actually follow the minor league stats and are looking at old press clippings.

      1. What’s embarrassing are people that come on this site who think they know everything about baseball and rip young players that struggle somewhat in their development process. I guess that’s the nature of sports and fans but I often wonder how the “fans” who rip players would be evaluated in their own jobs by others/public.

        1. It was bad during the season. So what he had a couple of bad months. People have written off or labeled him as a bust or not that good. Well he was good enough to get handed a fat bonus and an opportunity to play the greatest game alive.

          1. Every player on the farm, which is every player in the universe we’re ranking, was handed an opportunity to play the greatest game alive. Do you really suggest that we do these rankings based upon bonus size? It’s certainly your prerogative to cast your votes on that basis, but other readers should be free to use a broader range of parameters.

            1. No that’s not my reasoning. He had one bad season. He’s barely 19. Still has more potential than most.

          2. He didn’t have “a few bad months.” He was completely overmatched. That is terribly disappointing for a 1:1 pick who received a massive contract. His strikeout rate was way too high for a non-power prospect. He can’t hit lefties. And the scouting reports are not good. Has trouble diagnosing breaking pitches. If you look at great hitters, they typically dominate Low A. MM is going to repeat it. Not a good sign.

            No one is writing him off. But only a fool would think that his awful performance in his first full season is meaningless.

            I hope he has a great comeback year. But other players have surpassed him in my view.

        2. Readers are allowed to consider actual performance in their player rankings. This started with readers being castigated for ranking Kilome ahead of Moniak. That is a very presumptious criticism. Every year there is a spread of fans ratings, because we assign different priorities to proximity, age vs level, performance vs scouting, draft position. Nobody has called Moniak a bust, which is good, because he isn’t a bust. He could well bounce back in 2018, but its undeniable that he had a disappointing 2017 with the bat. Kilome has been a very highly rated prospect based on scouting. He also had a better year than Moniak did. Not at all embarrassing to rate him higher. The rankings could flip flop a year from now, but I have no problem justifying my ranking Kilome over Moniak at this specific point in time.

          1. No. This started earlier in the polling process with some people acting like children when the poll didn’t go the way they felt it should. They, like this guy at the start of the comments section, made negative statements without supporting their choice with actual facts or data. I waited to address the comments, hoping it would stop. I finally addressed it today because the lightning rod for a lot of negative discussion received enough votes to be mentioned by name in my write up. I anticipated this type of reaction but had hoped to avoid it.

            1. I look at the list as if I’m choosing up sides for a game, and I pick the prospect that is best at this particular time.

        3. We didn’t say we know everything about baseball. And analyzing how he performed isn’t ripping him, it’s evaluating his statistical performance in the context of scouting information we receive, which is telling. We all analyze information we receive and give our views. That’s the nature of the site. That’s what we do. It’s never intended to be mean, it’s intended to be analytical and predictive. If you feel that’s cold or unfair, post your own analysis or maybe go to another site where you can just get the Phillies’ version of what you want to hear.

        4. Sharing one’s opinion about Philadelphia Phillies prospects is exactly what this blog was created for Oldie. It is not the slightest bit embarrassing. Debating views of professional athletes is as old as the sport. If you don’t like reading it, then don’t come to the blog. But criticizing a website because it’s readers do exactly what was designed for them to do is silly.

          1. I understand exactly the purpose of the blog and I love the site as well as most of the discussions about prospects, non prospects, etc. I am not criticizing the website at all and if you reread my previous post objectively, no where did I say I didn’t like the site. What I am not fond of are people that refer to a player’s struggles as “embarrassing” or call out players as “flops”, especially 19, 20, 21 year old players that are early in their development. I have no problem with debates of professional athletes – I simply have problems with people that debate in a manner that appears to be a cutting, negative personal view of a players performance, especially since many of the phans on this website are simply phans and are not professional scouts or baseball people or even played the game. Too many people focus only on stats with no other knowledge of a player’s other tools or skills. There is a reason every one of these players are in the Phillies organization and its because some one in the organization saw value in them. Obviously I took exception to the reference of MM’s 2017 season as “embarrassing”. I enjoy the discussions, such as the ones you like to bring up V1, about how a players performance at the lower levels may correlate to future performance at the higher levels.

      2. So is MM not in your top 30 then? Assuming he is, how do you justify him there? If a gun was to the head of everyone who is voting for Kilome over MM I want to know if they really think Kilome is the better prospect. Laughable!

        1. Listen, we all would like MM to be the better prospect, but we have our doubts and those doubts are borne out by his performance last year, which was not good. I’ve got news for you – top prospects tank all the time, especially in baseball. And as for his rankings, I suspect many people do have him in the top 30, but that’s only due to the reports and his draft status. But on stats alone, he probably not a top 30 prospect – but, again, most people don’t base all of their rankings on statistics, scouting reports bear on this issue and of course help him.

          People know he has some tools, but, in baseball, tools alone don’t cut it. Just ask Philippe Aumont or Jeff Jackson – I’ve got lots of other examples if you want them, including Shawn Abner, who was 1/1 for the Mets with great tools – but couldn’t hit a breaking ball and that was that.

          1. Understood on the top-picks-bust-all-the-time argument but Moniak was 19 and it’s been 1 year. This is a ranking of the Phillies top 30 prospects, not a ranking of how they performed in solely in 2017. Industry rankings will come out in the next few weeks/months and I can promise you that they’ll all have Moniak higher in their ranking than we will here because many of us are ranking on emotion apparently. And that’s OK, this poll is just for fun, and having these spirited debates is what makes this process engaging. I’m sure we all want MM to break out this year and you’ll send me a basket of coconut oil as an apology, catch22!

            1. Jeff, I’m not trashing Moniak, he could still end up being awesome. All I’m saying is that his performance has merited his slipping in the prospect rankings.

              As for industry rankings, they are notoriously slow in reacting when a prospect’s perceived value changes. It usually takes the industry a good half season to a season to catch up with actual prospect changes, which is why on we here were ahead of them on guys like Hoskins and Kingery and Appel. I think he’s going where he deserves to go and literally none of that ranking (at least mine) is based on “emotion.” To the contrary, it based on exactly the opposite – his statistical performance.

        2. MM is absolutely in my top 30. He is 11 for me. Combination of some really good players performing well and him performing poorly. I am in no way giving up on him. Just reflecting the reality that he struggled mightily in low A and typically great players dominate low A.

    2. I think it reasonable to expect a players ranking to go up and down based upon the prior season’s performance. You seem to believe that draft position and draft day scouting reports should over-ride poor performance. Moniak was not at all a clear 1.1. There were half a dozen (or more) guys who could have been #1 just as easily, based upon team philosophy. At the time, the Phillies strategy was to save some $ for the 2.1 and 3.1 guys. A lot of post-draft sentiment that they should have saved more $ and that Moniak got too large a bonus. Senzel signed for less. At that price, he should have been the 1.1.

      Moniak was not expected to be a power guy, but was reputed to have excellent contact and strikezone-control skills. The absence of those in 2017 is the reason he has dropped. I’ll have him at #11. A guy with Moniak’s advertised skills should not hit .236 and definitely should not have a BB/K ratio of 28/109. That is a bad season which calls into question just how good his hit tool really is.

      If he actually has just an average hit tool, with his lack of power he will be just a good field poor bat CF and maybe even a 4th OF in the majors. If that raw tool shows signs of development in 2018, then he will zoom up the ratings.

      A lot is made of Moniak being very young for Lakewood. Lakewood isn’t at all an unusual placement for a H.S. first rounder. He is not an especially young H.S. draftee and he is from CA baseball hotbed, so he should have done better in LKW.

      He needs to learn to hit LHP. He was really bad against LHP. Even against RHP, his OBP was below .300. That is awful and I feel justified in ranking him at #11.

    3. Jeff, Instead of putting down the group’s selection, present your argument why your selection is better in a civilized manner.

      I’m not concerned over the names you call me. I am concerned about maintaining a site that attracts new participants. Your behavior intimidates people.

      Do you talk this way on your own blog?

      1. I think more people are afraid to say anything with a strong opinion because you’re so sensitive to anything that a Care Bear wouldn’t approve of. I’ve had 3 people who I’ve never spoken to in my life email me in support from this site and they agree you’re too over the top with your sensitivity. I know this probably gets me banned but based on my inbox a lot of your readers seem to agree. I’ll refrain from commenting moving forward and go back to just being a reader.

        1. Why would anyone e-mail support to you when e-mailing me might actually lead to a change in policy.

          I am not sensitive because people contradict my opinions. I don’t often let my opinions get into the articles here. In fact, I find I am usually protecting opinions with which I disagree.

          When I first stepped forward to continue this site back when it almost shut down in 2015, I neglected to monitor the comments section. I was called to task for that and will not stop now because of your whining. It is important to me that all readers feel comfortable joining a discussion, and don’t have to worry that people will bully them.

          There are sites that don’t monitor their comments section. And, rude or antagonistic comments are welcome, if you can stand the heat from the trolls that already inhabit those sites.

  1. Gonna start voting for Daniel Brito now. His year was bad but it was a double jump. Maybe I’m out of the loop on scouting but I haven’t seen bad reports. Moniak has a bad year at the same age and same level and got bad reports, Romero has too low a ceiling, Gamboa is a judgment based on not much. Dominguez heading to the pen for now leaves him behind in case he never gets back to the rotation. Who else?

      1. What do you think Irvin’s floor/ceiling are in relation to Romero, who you say has too low a ceiling? Their arsenals, on paper, looks very similar (low-mid 90s that can max at 94/95, plus change, curve and sliders with average potential). The stats are pretty close too at the A-ball levels.

        1. I think Romero is absolutely higher than Irvin. I was kind of hinting that I am too high on Irvin for no good reason. Hopefully before I have to start voting on him I’ll have more time to look at it, but comparing the two without a ton of research, it seems like professionals think Romero’s floor is fairly close to a MLB reliever. Unless I have missed it (very possible) I have never seen anyone suggest Irvin is that close to an MLB lock.

  2. Staying with Mickey Mo. For me potential is key in prospect status. Now if he has a 2nd bad year he plummets for me.

  3. Mickey Mo, followed by Romero and Suarez. Cornelius Randolph should start receiving some votes around here as well. His 13 HR was a pleasant surprise last year, and it will be fun to see if he can knock a few more out in Reading’s launching pad.

      1. Me too, Romero completes the 3 pitchers for me who are all close together in skills. I think he will start the year in Reading as a fast mover and with Kilome will make them a great rotation.

  4. I am a big Darick Hall believer….and was really surprised he finished fourth in the voting (36, 12%).
    I like to think he could have a monster year at CLW, as long as he is playing there, hitting at the top of the lineup with Haseley.

    1. Agreed
      Darick has been overlooked for years. As a Junior at DBU he finished 2nd in the John Olerude Award voting for the nations top 2 way player. He was a semi finalist for the Golden Spikes Award as the top player in the nation. Yet he wasn’t drafted until the 14th round.
      In Williamsport he led the team in power numbers.
      Last season he set new benchmarks for Homeruns (29) and RBI (97). He took home the Sally League MVP for his efforts.
      This young man should be receiving more attention.

      1. He needs to correct the discrepancy between K rate and BB rate….he does swing hard and a bit long, similar to Cozens….but like Cozens when he barrels the ball, it smokes.
        His coach at DBU in his last year before the draft, added lift into his swing to take advantage of his strength and power…..and it is a give and take thing…more ISO, less BB rate and higher K rate
        But he knows how to correct that, if he so desires…..his first two years of college ball, the ratio between K and BB were excellent

    2. Romus, when I started writing today’s post, Hall had 18 votes. An hour later his count had doubled. He got most of the votes cast in the last hour of the poll.

      1. Hall hit much better at Lakewood than Cozens did, but was a little over a year older than Cozens had been. The age 21 seasons ended in a SSS step back for Hall at CLW and a slightly larger SSS step up for Cozens. Then, Cozens exploded in his full Reading season. Hall could well turn out to be better than Cozens, since Cozens had a very big stumble in Allentown. Still, if he masters AAA next season, he will have done so at a younger age than Hall can achieve.

      1. Could have emailed plenty of friends for that final push.
        And disagree with you on him not being top 20.
        I can see him being in the late teens.
        But I am willing to let it play out this season for him, and see what he can do.

        1. I hope you are right Romus. I do not like his profile. Strikes me as a poor mans Cozens. Whom, as you know, I am not s big fan of. Poor defensive corner OF, with 40 hit tools, low walks, high strikeouts but big raw power rarely translate at upper levels. They do kill lower levels though

          1. Yeah… would be to his advantage to try to incorporate and blending together partially his batting approach he had in his first two years of college with the last two years with his added loft and lift……if that is at all possible.
            Cozens was able to do it in ’15 at CLW, when suggested by the organization, then more or less decided to go back to the power tool exclusively in ’16 (Reading) and last year at LHV. Comes down to what Hall wants to do.

            1. Easier said than done. I think Hall is closer to being Rizzotti than he is to being Hoskins. He’s still young enough that he can force his way up the ladder if he keeps hitting but I think he has some people in the organization to win over too, or he probably would have been moved up to Clearwater sooner.

            2. Hall will have to make some adjustments as he goes up the ladder, especially if he wants to avoid ending up labeled in the Ruf and Rizz company
              The one difference they were both 4-year college guys , while he was athree-year guy, and in low A a year younger than Rizz and two years younger than Ruf.
              Plus he pitched in HS and in college and last off season was his first prepping to be a hitter only, and the results more or less showed with ISO and SLG% explosiveness.
              Haseley is doing that now this off-season.
              if Hall can make those adjustments, especially the two-strike adjustments, he can be a real find in the 14th round.
              For four years he was able to hit that way. last two years of HS and first two years of college, line drives for the most part, with superlative peripherals in K% and BB%, along with an above average slash….then Dan Heefner the DBU manager, I guess decided to make Hall more attractive in his draft year, and with his strength and power, incorporated lift into his swing and he really blossomed into a power guy garnering awards in his last year there at DBU, while also pitching for the Patriots.
              I will be interested in seeing how he gets out of the gate this season.

  5. Btw, I really like Brito, Gamboa, and and the pitcher Morales but to me they’re all in the teens, making this a very deep list because these guys all have major league starter potential (along with MM, Quinn, and Cozens)

  6. I had Moniak for #six, so I’ll pick him for #9. My original pick for #9 was Kilome, so it is Moniak here for me. I followed Seabold through the College World Series. He is not a flame thrower, but is an excellent pitcher. His last game he had Fullerton in the game before a reliever lost it. He is my next choice.

  7. On Kilome I can’t get past the 3.4 BB/9 and 7.7(!) K/9. Moniak shouldn’t drop this far because of one subpar 19 year old season in full-season ball.

  8. Went with Roman Quinn again based on what I said yesterday. Very high level ability, but, obviously, the health factor is big. Then I have Kilome, JoJo and MM. This is for later on, but I think “C” has dropped quite a bit in our prospect ranking. It will be interesting to see how far.

    1. On pure talent, Quinn was a top 5 prospect – many of here, I assume, would agree on that. The problem is two-fold.

      First, he has never been healthy. He never plays more than a half season. And this has been going on for like 6 years now. Every year. At some point, it causes a player’s stock to drop and, finally, for me, it really has. I’ll probably have him somewhere between 10 and 15, but now the presumption is that he will always get injured. Until he proves me wrong, that’s what I’ll assume.

      Second, he’s not that young anymore and the injuries have deprived him of needed development time. In other words, injuries are not just keeping him off the field, they are probably preventing him from developing into the player he could be. So he gets points off for that too.

      1. I just can’t in my heart vote for Quinn at all in the top 10, maybe top 15. You hit the nail on the head as to why, and I believe others, might keep him off/low. His talent looks to be like Billy Hamilton with a much better bat. He just can not stay healthy. He’s never had 400 or more PA in a single year and has barely surpassed 300 in a given season. A guy that can’t stay healthy who relies on his speed and defense to be an impact player is not a recipe for success.

        I hope he proves me wrong but I’ve about written him off.

    2. I’m still on the Quinn train. Been voting for him for the last few rounds. Other posters have summed up the health age development issue. I get it. But he is a unique talent and will be part of the mlb of mix. So based on proximity and potential, I’m still buying Roman Quinn.

      1. Guys,

        I’ve been Quinn, as well, and will stay with him until he makes the list.

        Meanwhile, it’s amazing how fast some guys have fallen in the estimation of posters on this site. Consider Cozens. Number Nine last year and has barely gotten a mention so far this year. I’ve got him at Number 10. He still has tremendous power and athleticism and if he develops plate discipline he can be an all-star.

        I agree about Sixto and Hasely passing by Quinn and Cozens, but Q&C still have potential. Having said that, this is the final season for both of them to remain prospects. If Quinn is hurt again and Cozens can’t cut down the K’s and even his lefty-righty splits, they’re gone as prospects, I suspect.

        1. Prospect value is a balance of risk and potential. Quinn’s and Cozen’s potential value is as close as their risk value. Quinn’s health is a big factor. If he cannot play then he has no value. And Cozen’s power tool is as huge as him. But he will not tap into that big power potential if he cannot hit.

          Both Quinn and Cozen have loud tools (i.e. speed, power) that can catapult them to the top of any prospect list. But risk management is key. If the risk cannot be addressed, then their net prospect value will significantly reduced as well.

    1. I saw Irvin 5 times last season. His FB was 89-92, t93 and 90-92, t93 in two April starts. In two may starts, it was 88-91 and 88-92. In n one June start, it was 91-94. Josh Norris saw him throw one all start game inning at 93-94, t95.

      I saw three Romero starts, 2 in July and 1 in August. His FB was 89-93, t94; 83-94, t95; and 92-94, t95.

  9. allentown, I agree with both of your earlier posts. I still am high on MM, and believe he will bounce back. But, based on a shaky year, I have dropped him on my list. At no point have I given up on him, called him a bust, or done anything other than root for him. These rankings are very much based on who I feel is the closest to helping the team, proximity, plus how high I view the ceiling. I still have a high ceiling for MM, just pushed his proximity back a year or 2.

  10. I will vote for someone who I know will not gather any other vote – Enyel delos Santos.

    IMO, de los Santos is a mirror of Kilome. Kilome might have the better pure stuff, but de los is probably the better pitcher.

    Kilome (career stats)

    DOB – 06/25/1995
    IP – 331.1
    BB/9 – 3.64
    K/9 – 7.99
    K/BB – 2.19

    de los Santos

    DOB – 12/25/1995
    IP – 333.1
    BB/9 – 2.81
    K/9 – 7.56
    K/BB – 2.69

    Kilome has a big 2016 (10.20K/9) as far as swing and miss is concerned but de los Santos K/9 has show better progression in a year-to-year basis especially in relation with the BB/9 where he shown that he is better than Kilome.

    I’m intrigued to see de los Santos in 2018. His FB sits in 93-95 with movement and can touch 1-2 mph more. The CB is not as deadly as Kilome’s, but he can control it for strikes. The CU is the pitch that I would like to see because that will make him a #2/#3 if the CU is a potential above average.

      1. Good votes. I went with another player figuring I didn’t want to waste my vote, but this is a good spot for de los Santos

    1. KuKo: Spot on in the comparison.
      de Los Santos….xFIP….3.72

    2. Maybe I’ve missed some good info on de los Santos, but whenever I hear good fastball, good changeup, hopefully future average breaking ball and good control I think of guys like Eflin and Pettibone. That’s not to say he’s not a good prospect but I think it limits his ceiling. It’s hard to be an effective starter without a good breaking pitch.

  11. I just want to whisper a name into the debate that I feel is getting overlooked despite excellent results: Tom Eshelman. I mostly bring this up because I see high risk players like Cozens being discussed, and IMO Eshelman is going to have a much better career than Cozens. I know people get excited about loud tools, but sometimes you’ve got to look at results as well.

    1. I’m going to have Eshelman somewhere between 10-15 – he’s a very underrated prospect.

    2. I have Eshelman at #13 behind the current Top 8 and delos Santos, Moniak, Romero, Randolph.

      I get your point, but most of the time, results in minors doesn’t translate to majors. so in the prospect world, it’s all about future projection so age and physical tools really come into play.

      nonetheless, i think Eshelman can have an Eickhoff type of a MLB career – a reliable starter that can have a long career. but in the prospect world, I understand why Eshelman may not get that much appreciation.

    1. With Eshelman the proximity is there, the ceiling is not.
      So the teen ranking is probably spot on.
      Then again, evaluating all the prospects to some degree, it amounts to some of that thought process.

  12. I’ll have Moniak somewhere 10-12. In many orgs, he’d still be top 5 even with the bad year. It just so happens the Phils have a strong top 10 IMO and MM struggle mightily. There’s still time to turn it around, but there are warning signs at this point that can’t be ignored simply because he was 1:1. Same reason Cozens is dropping. Hoping he makes the adjustments and skyrockets up the 2019 list.

  13. Can’t get past the non exciting Whip for Kilome, I have him much further down then this. I also see mm as somebody who broke down in a big way late in the year. Probably both mentally and physically. I expect a real rebound in 2018.

  14. I can only find two 2018 Top 10 prospect lists by scouting services that have been published so far, Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus.

    As noted, Baseball America has Moniak 9th and Kilome 10th

    Baseball Prospectus has Kilome 6th and Moniak 9th

  15. Sixto is a level of his own. then a Medina-Kilome-delos Santos-Romero cluster followed by Eshelman-Anderson-Seranthony-Suarez group. Francisco Morales has the physical projection to leap frog all of them and become the 2nd best pitching prospect behind Sixto.

    Morales is my #17 this year and I hope he can make it to LWD in 2018 so I can watch him pitch.

    1. Agree, KuKo. For me the system arms currently rank:

      1 Sixto
      2 Medina
      3 JoJo
      4 de los Santos
      5 Morales (WITH A BULLET)
      6 Kilome
      7 Eshelman
      8 Suarez
      9 Seranthony (his move to the pen dropped his rank IMO)
      10 Kyle Young

      1. 8mark…a guy throws two, thats two no-hitters in the same season and he doesn’t even make your bottom ten!
        As Jackie Chiles says, ” it is a outrageous, preposterous, egregious and salacious!” 🙂

        1. Oh my, Romus!!…but then again, how many no-no’s do you think Fanti will pitch in the bigs?

      2. 1 Sixto
        2 Medina
        3 Kilome
        4 Romero
        5 De Los Santos
        6 Suarez
        7 Howard
        8 Mills
        9 Dominguez
        10 Eshelman, Falter, Fanti, & Young
        11 Requena, McGarry, Hammertime!

      3. I’m interested to see where some of the other LA arms would rank. Jose Taveras, Jhordany Mezquita, Edgar Garcia, Victor Arano, Mauricio Llovera, Harold Arauz, Elniery Garcia, Alexis Rivero, Yacksel Rios, Ismael Cabrera

  16. Over the last three years, across 4 levels, Sixto has been pretty good. But nowhere in the stat line has he dominated over an extended stretch. He has yet to have at least 9ks per 9 innings and certainly we can go back and find players who dominated at a similar age at higher levels……..

    My point is, we are already calling Sixto a future ace. The results have suggested otherwise. His ranking is based on projection.

    Moniaks ranking is based on projection.
    Kilomes ranking is based on projection.

    If Moniak is seen as a potential Christian Yelich-type, and Kilome has potential to be a #3 starter, which one has the higher ceiling? I’d go with Moniak over Kilome. Both didn’t blow us away this year. And if it’s a close call, I tend to go with the position player.

    1. That Yelich-type notion is belied by his stats and more recent reporting from evaluators. If he was such a “type” at draft time, I’d guess the same evaluators would say the risk of getting there looks a lot higher after watching him falter in 2018. Risk is an inherent part of evaluating prospects by every organization and we ignore it at our own peril when we make these rankings for ourselves. The stakes on our end are zero, (aside from personal credibility in the comments I suppose), so sometimes we say “Heck yes I am voting for Derrick Mitchell here”.

    2. Andrew, I agree. I’ve been fortunate enough to see these and others as they come through Clearwater, twice most times. I understand people getting all worked up about Sanchez. But, I was careful to not fan the flames of speculation. But, when the national guys start looking him up and talking about him, it’s not surprising that fans get excited about his projection. He had a rough 5 games with the Threshers. it will be interesting to see how he responds in 2018. And based on how he reacts pitch-to-pitch, inning-to-inning, game-to-game, I expect Sanchez to have a strong start at Clearwater next season.

      1. He’s still learning how to pitch, with very little experience. It’s actually very good for a pitcher like this to suddenly struggle when he goes up a level. Sequencing of pitches and location of certain pitches is an art form and needs to be learned. Once he learns that, he’ll be moving quickly up the ladder. Stay healthy!!!! Please!!!

      2. JIm – perhaps ‘rough’ in Sixto terms. In those 5 games he gave up less than a hit an inning (27 H in 27.2 IP) which contributed to a WHIP of 1.32. His 9 walks in those 27.2 innings is a ratio we can surely expect to decrease over a larger sample given Sixto’s command. His line during those 5 starts produced a FIP of 3.31 which is certainly more attractive than his 4.55 ERA.

        I didn’t have the opportunity to see his last year at Spectrum. Can’t wait for this season though. Development of his seconadaries his key.

        1. Steve……Sixto has been compared to Pedro and Johnny Cueto by some analysts…at least their physical profiles, pitch repertoire and velo consistency.
          If you comp Sixto’s 18 age season to Cueto…..Sixto pitched on a higher level. and held his own at a younger age than Cueto did at their appropriate level..
          Whether or not that means anything going forward in the future is debatable….but right now he seems to be progressing as many expected.

  17. Where are these Darick Hall votes coming from? He had a great season last year, but I haven’t seen him discussed in any threads recently. I think we may be experiencing a similar situation to the Harold Arauz voting last year.

    1. A lot of us who saw Hall last spring, thought he might break camp with the Threshers. He was that good and there was no one blocking him at Advanced A. Then, we waited for his eventual call up which didn’t occur until the last week of the season. He broke the Lakewood single season team record for HR and RBI. I’m not surprised that he’s getting some votes. I don’t think we’re experiencing a Arauz-like phenomenon.

      1. I agree Jim, he was a beast in spring training. I was very surprised when he was held back in Lwood. Hall just needs to develop his offspeed recognition, like so many hitters. It’s hard for a 1st base only guy to hit his way to the majors but not impossible.

  18. Isn’t performance at the AA and AAA level the better gauge of whether a prospect is major league material. I feel that is frequently neglected in the voting.

    1. Yes. But only because stats at low A are inflated. Not because poor stats at low A are irrelevant. It is extremely rare to find a player struggle in Low A and do well at higher levels.

      So the point is, great stats at Low A do not necessarily mean great prospect. But terrible Low A stats typically mean bad prospect.

      The reason for this is simply, Low A pitchers are not as good. Not as developed. Especially breaking stuff. So if you can’t hit weaker stuff, you won’t hit the pitchers at higher levels. Also defense at Low A is bad. Lots of balls get in for hits that wont translate at higher levels.

  19. JoJo here. He is young, has great command and good stuff. Has an amazing ground ball % of 50%+ at every level. While maintaining a very good K rate and low walk rate. That is the profile of a very good mlb pitcher.

  20. I generally try not to be overly committal in my judgement of younger hitters with less than 800 PAs in the minors unless I see alarming strikeout rates. There’s so much development still taking place with recent draft selections, particularly the high school kids. You commit to an opinion today, and may end up with a much different view come June.

    In terms of these rankings, I had to remind myself that Haseley is a full 2-years older than Moniak. I suspect 2018 sees Haseley opening at Clearwater and Moniak repeating Lakewood. We’re going to learn a lot about both players in 2018 – information that will surely influence our view.

    For what it’s worth, below are the batting lines for Haseley and Moniak while at Lakewood in 2017. Again I remind myself, Haseley is a full 2-years older than Moniak.

    .258 .315 .379 .694 for Haseley over 74 PAs
    .236 .284 .341 .625 for Moniak over 509 PAs

    Haseley’s strikeout rate was 17.6%, and 17.7% during his time at WIlliamsport. Both good ratios. Moniak’s strikeout rate was 21.4% – for a kid who turned 19 in May. That’s a rather impressive strikeout rate.

    This is just information. I’m not necessarily contending one be ranked higher than the other. As a phan, I just hope one of them performs like a Top 100 prospect in 2018. My rankings reflect that I don’t view either player as an impact prospect, but that certainly could change, and I certainly wouldn’t call either player a bust.

    This system by the way is absolutely brilliant. How exciting for those who have been prospecting this organization over the years. It’s truly never been this rich in talent.

    As for my rankings, I keep Crawford at no. 1. given I do not believe he fell enough to justify losing the 1st ranking. While having Kingery or Sanchez at no. 1 are certainly defensible, I personally think Crawford’s 2nd half was dazzling, and it actually raised his ceiling in my view.

    My rankings:
    1. Crawford
    2. Kingery
    3. Sanchez
    4. Alfaro
    5. Kilome
    6. Haseley
    7. Moniak
    8. Ortiz
    9. Medina

  21. It has been my opinion and have posted such that either Moniak or Haseley will be traded in the next year or certainly two. Most likely Moniak. Haseley being drafted pretty much guarantees that one will be gone. IMO that will be Moniak. If Moniak has another poor year he will be just a throw-in piece that another team will take a flyer on. If Moniak rebounds then he will be part of better trade package. I just don’t see these two staying in the system together for more than another 1-2 years. They are just too similar. Just IMO, of course.

    1. I doubt Haseley can be a plus defensive MLB CF, so the two are not a simple ‘choose only one’ situation. Haseley could well end up as a plus defensive corner OF.

      1. Two pre-draft scouting reports on Haseley:
        While not a burner, Haseley does have above-average speed. He is capable of playing center field, but whether that’s his long-term home remains to be seen. He is capable of playing all three outfield spots, with at least an average arm.” – MLB Pipeline

        “Haseley leads the Cavaliers in all three triple-slash stats (.396/.495/.689) and in walks (32) through April 22, showing surprising power and the potential to stay in centerfield long-term, though I don’t know that he’s going to have more than fringy power with the wood bat.” – ESPN, Keith Law (Insider)

    2. I tend to agree here on the Haseley-Moniak future with the Phils. Even if Haseley plays a corner in the long term, their profiles are similar. And with the current depth of OFs (from which the club can deal for areas of need) you add to the distinct possibility of adding bigger names like Harper and/or Trout in the not too distant future. At CBP, they’ll likely want to build a more power based lineup, IMO.

        1. If Moniak and Hasely reach their ceilings, I would love to have two centerfielders on the big club. Peter Bourjos had insane defensive metrics that forced mike trout to right field. Defensively, they were solid out there.

          But realistically, we are talking about a potential “issue” 2-3 years down the line. One or both of these guys might flame out. One or both might be headed out the door for other pieces. You don’t start planning for Harper/Trout now by moving pieces. Having too much talent is a good thing.

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