Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #6 Prospect

Jorge Alfaro was your selection as the #5 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

Alfaro received 108 of 273 votes (40%).  Adam Haseley finished second (75 votes, 27%). Adonis Medina (34, 12%) finished third.  Twelve players split the remaining 56 votes. 

Alfaro was signed by the Texas Rangers as an international free agent as a 16-year old in January of 2010.  He was a highly ranked prospect in their organization, reaching #2 in 2014.  He started in the All Star Futures Game that summer.  He played in the AFL in 2013. The Phillies acquired him in the Cole Hamels trade that netted the Phillies LHP Matt “contract dump” Harrison, RHP Jerad Eickhoff, OF Nick Williams, RHP Alec Asher, RHP Jake Thompson, and Alfaro at the 2015 non-waiver trade deadline.

Alfaro reported to Clearwater after the trade on rehab.  I first saw him walking around the Complex.  I was struck by his muscular physique.  I witnessed his first live batting practice. It occurred during a GCL game.  Fortunately, it was held on Carlton Field next to the game on Roberts Field.  I stood on the bleachers between the fields so I could monitor Alfaro while still watching the GCL rookies which included Randolph, Gamboa, Jonathan Arauz, Luke Williams, Cabral, Pickett, Alastre, Edgar Garcia, Paulino, Medina, Fanti, Falter, Sam McWilliams, Ismael Cabrera, et al.

Alfaro batted against Steven Inch who was throwing his third live BP session while on his own rehab.  After a few swings, I moved closer to the BP session.  Alfaro was launching balls to left and left center.  Over a dozen cleared the fence.  He was easily the best among the guys batting against Inch.

I next saw Alfaro the following spring during ST.  He attended the major league camp and drilled with Carlos Ruiz and others.  During the throwing drills, Alfaro displayed the best arm on throws to the bases.  Chooch was consistently accurate on his throws to second base, but with a definite arc on his throws.  Alfaro threw equally accurate balls to the bag, but with a laser-like precision that made all others (even Chooch) look like they were soft-tossing.

I understand the concerns directed toward Alfaro and his readiness to both hit and call a game at the major league level.  But, I can’t forget the visions of the above tools.  More recently, I remember his game-tying home run off Fernando Rodney in the WBC, and the arrow he shot in the air as he approached his celebrating teammates at the dugout.

Alfaro posted a .285/.325/.458/.783 slash with Reading in 2016.  He slipped to a .241/.291/.358/.649 with Lehigh Valley in 2017.  Across both seasons he walked 38 times (4.9%) and struck out 218 times (27.8%) in 785 PA.  Most fans would like to see the walks go up and the strike outs go down.

Alfaro was called up in early August 2017 and played in 29 games.  In 114 PA, he slashed a respectable .318/.360/.514/.874, but with just 3 walks (2.6%) and 33 strike outs (28.9%).  It is a SSS, but the walk and strike out rates are moving in the wrong direction.  One has to think that if he doesn’t improve, he won’t figure in the Phillies’ long-term plans since plate discipline and the resulting good OBP figures appear to be an important part of the plan.

Next up is your selection for the #6 prospect in the organization, no additional prospects.

 

2018 Readers’ Poll, so far –

  1. Sixto Sanchez
  2. Scott Kingery
  3. J.P. Crawford
  4. Jhailyn Ortiz
  5. Jorge Alfaro

 

41 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #6 Prospect

  1. Medina is my vote here. Kilome is next and De Los Santos after that. Haseley will be my #9. I’m taking another long look at Romero. I like the lefty a lot and based on people comments earlier in the poll, thought I should take another look.

    1. What was I thinking? I guess I was thinking Romero was a 21 or 22 yo. He’s not. He was 20 all year in 2017. He’s 3 months older than Medina. He ended his year in A+, whereas Medina was in LKW. Romero started in LKW and was promoted after 10 starts. If we want to review Apples to Apples (LKW), Romero had a 1.07 WHIP to Medina’s 1.187. Romero had K/9 of 9.3 to Medina’s 10. Romero had a 2.6 BB/9 to Medina’s 2.9. But Romero had a K/9 of 8.4 in A+ and a 2.5 BB/9. He could easily start in AA in 2018 and who knows maybe end the year in AAA. Not trying to push him hard but he seems to thrive on the challenge. I think I could flip a coin trying to pick Romero or Medina so I did just that a minute ago and Medina won. So I’m sticking with Medina at #6 but Romero just jumped over Kilome and De Los Santos.

      1. Sorry. Meant to say good points. But scouting reports and stuff are tilted toward Medina. He throws mid-90s whereas JoJo only throws low 90s

        1. Interesting. Two points. First I’d heard reports of JoJo’s velocity being quite a bit higher – not sure which reports are right. Second, as a lefty, he doesn’t need to throw as hard if he has very good command and secondary stuff, which he apparently does. Lots of good lefties sit in the low 90s.

          1. I like JoJo a lot. I think his best stat is his 50%+ gb%. I think he will be a good mlb pitcher. I just think Medina has a higher ceiling. But maybe I am wrong.

  2. My top 10 (without the likes of Alfaro and Quinn who’s projections as prospects have IMO fully arced):

    1 Kingery
    1 Sanchez
    3 Crawford
    4 Ortiz (agree that his biggest flaw is proximity)
    5 Medina
    6 Haseley
    7 Romero (can’t ignore the consensus love for this lefty)
    8 De Los Santos (the most intriguing among the new acquisitions)
    9 Moniak (a breakout 2018 would restore his top prospect status)
    10 Randolph (2018 is HUGE for both him and MM)

  3. I went Kilome here. I think his year was underrated. He reached AA put up a combined sub 3 ERA and reached his career high in innings. I know the strike out numbers dipped but I expect to see them come back up. And he’s still just 22.

  4. This is where it gets really hard for me. The pitchers under consideration include Kilome, Medina, and Romero and maybe de los Santos. The hitters include Moniak, Haseley, Quinn and maybe Randolph. I’m sure I’m in the minority but I picked Quinn. The pitchers haven’t done it yet at advanced levels.

    1. Phan,

      I’m with you, picking Quinn in this spot. No one can question his potential, So, here’s one last vote for Quinn. If he’s injured again this year, he’s off the board entirely.

  5. Awful K:BB ratio + poor defense (at maybe most premium defensive position?), I can’t understand the optimism on Jorge Alfaro at all. Would take Medina, Quinn, Haseley, MM first.

    1. 1. The offensive bar for Carchers is really low. Jorge has amazing raw power and should run into 20-25 homers per year. There were only 5 catchers last year who hit 20+ homers. Only one with over 26 homers.
      2. While he is raw behind the plate, he is an exceptional athlete with an 80 grade arm.
      3. Catchers typically develop later than other position players. Jorge started last year as a 23 year old.
      4. Proximity. He is in the majors and nothing he did suggests he can’t stick there. He also did great in the WBC.

      1. I don’t know why you’re convinced he will hit 20-25 HR ever as he cannot currently make enough contact for that HR rate. Your second point refers to defense; he has a great arm (not certain it is 80 grade, myself–is his arm really as good as Barry Bonds power?), but his inability to block adequately or receive throws from the outfield easily offsets his terrific throwing arm.

        Your point about his age is well taken, and does give some hope. How many catchers don’t reach their offensive potential until age 30? Many in my observation.

      2. v – fully agree. He also dealt with some injury time while in the minors which curtailed his development. The kid is a stud athlete.

  6. Moniak at #6 for me. He is still learning to hit the breaking pitch, but he has time. I think he will be a .300 hitter. The tools are there. I’ll watch for pitch recognition this year, which I think will be in Lakewood. If they promote him to Clearwater because of his draft status it will be a mistake.

  7. I still vote for Haseley (ranked #4 in my list). As I expected, there are who are still high on Alfaro being a power hitting catcher. Alfaro is #11 on my list maybe because of the big red flags as a hitter and still questionable as a defensive catcher. To me, Alfaro’s main value right now is his trade value.

    For now, Kilome (my #8) and Medina (my#7) are still 2-pitch SPs with Kilome having a higher ceiling and Medina being the safer to made it as a starter in the big league. Medina’s FB is a already a plus because of good velocity, movement and command. Although, Medina prefers to command the FB, so will not not regularly throw the 96-97 that we see. I like Medina to throw (with success) that new SL and make it as the swing and miss pitch. What’s holding me back on Medina is the development of a 3rd pitch particularly a CU.

    Kilome has the same risk profile as Alfaro so the trade value can be high too. People can easily get excited with Kilome’s physical stature, FB velocity and knee buckling CB. I think Kilome might end up as a bullpen arm but he will be a really good back end/close type.

    A package of Alfaro, Cesar and Kilome can probably fetch Klentak a TOR type controllable SP.

  8. I took Haseley, before I go with the three pitchers. Haseley is a fast mover and should be a solid player, especially if he can stay in CF where he should start the year in Clearwater, and end it in Reading.

  9. I’m going with Haseley over Medina. He looks like a solid 2-hole hitter who can cover ground in CF. I’m looking forward to watching his development this season.

    Medina comes next, completing what I see as the second tier of prospects in the system. Next comes Tier 3, with some combination of Moniak/Romero/Quinn/Suarez/Randolph/Kilome.

    1. Agree Haseley again for me.
      Since he only lives a few hours up north from Clearwater off I4 outside Orlando…. he has spent quite a bit of his off-season in and around Clearwater, training at the Phils’ facilities there.
      So looking forward to him being ultra-ready shape for spring training at the complex.

    1. Jojo is lhp with velocity well above avg and better than avg secondary, that would qualify him above medina imo. I also think if the scouting reports are correct de lo santos resume and scouting reports trump medina also. Imo

      1. I have Medina, Kilome, & De Los Santos bunched very closely together in that order with all 3 just ahead of Romero and Suarez as leftys who both have stuff that may go very well in majors. (JoJo has a great pickoff move)

      2. I have JoJo and Haseley ranked very close together with Medina right after that. In fact, I had all three ranked above Alfaro.

  10. It was a close call, but I took Haseley over Medina: position player worth more than a #3 SP, which is what I expect Medina to become (and will be thrilled if he does) and because Medina’s trek from LKW to MLB has a much greater chance of derailment by injury than an OF has. I see Haseley as the best of our first-round OF draftees over the past several years. For those who have Moniak here — just a ton of questions about his bat, although the CF defense seems fine and he has the speed. I still see Randolph coming up short as an MLB LF. I also like Kilome and Delossantos, and Romero, all likely top 10 for me.

    1. I’m not as bullish as most on medina, smallish rhp worry me so I’m worried. Yes I know sonny gray, stroman, etc. I don’t think he is in that mold so I’ll say it again…I’m worried. Others in the system have higher floors imo

      1. Though Medina may not be in that 6’4′-6′-6″ stratosphere category of RHPs, he still has about 5 inches on Stroman who is listed at 5’8″.
        He may be at that adequate height where is mechanics are very repeatable.

        1. Yes, his height can help maintain a consistent delivery, but at his FB velocity, I think it also raises the risk of injury. Just being way down the system in LKW gives a fairly high injury risk to start with We have had a slew of very good A-level SP over relatively recent years. The MLB SP return from all of this has been minimal. Most fell by the wayside due to injury.

        2. He’s also an inch taller than the guy voted the system’s top prospect last week, Sixto Sanchez.

          1. Sixto is possibly an exception, with freakish velocity and the ability to locate it makes me less worried about his size because his floor is much easier to be useful than what medina may be

    2. A-town,

      I agree on C.

      I was favorably impressed by him in games that I saw last year, but it probably was more in that he was so much better than one might expect given al the negative attitudes about him. But the truth is he doesn’t appear to have the upside of Haseley and maybe Moniak.

      BTW, speaking of Moniak, he might be my break-out player this year. If not, he could be the next Larry Greene.

  11. I have Romero at #10 behind the trio of RHP – #6 delos Santos, #7 Medina and #8 Kilome and last year’s top prospect in #9 Moniak.

    It is easy to be enamored with JoJo because he is performing in all levels he played so far. But none of JoJo’s stuff is really a plus so he is behind the trio of RHP I mentioned above. Personally, I think JoJo will continue to perform better than his stuff but I will keep a close eye on him when he starts to pitch in AA and above. Unlike Ranger Suarez who show a significant jump in velocity across all pitches, I don’t see that jump in velocity for JoJo. FB will be in 91-93 range with occasional 94-95. JoJo ceiling will be tied up to the development of his SL and CU.

    1. Some Romero scouting evals:
      BP’s Mark Anderson on scouting Romero this past summer:
      Citing my intrigue after seeing him in the NYPL last summer. Well, he’s at it again, and I remain intrigued. An athletic lefty with a solid-average fastball that has reached as high as 93-94 mph in the past, Romero relies heavily on an above-average changeup to keep hitters off his fastball. Neither his slider or curveball are go-to pitches, but they round out his arsenal acceptably.
      And BP Greg Golstein’s eval:
      Romero’s pure stuff won’t “wow” you either. His fastball only sits 90-91, but it’s the movement and his ability to work the zone that makes the 20-year-old effective. While his heater has considerable arm-side action, he also throws two-seamer that creates a lot of weak contact. Romero locates these pitches on the corners, which helps set the tone during an at-bat. He also can locate his above-average slider in and out of the zone for swings and misses. He adds a playable change some of the time to keep hitters off-balance too. Overall, Romero is the rare 20-year-old that is advanced with both his control and command for his age, while having enough movement to not solely rely on pinpoint location to be successful. Even though he works the corners a lot of the time. While there may be some concern that his stuff and 6-foot body won’t play as well at the higher levels, the lefty should continue to have success because of the command, craftiness and movement he brings to the table. He was fun to watch pitch and I’m confident that he’ll be a No. 4 type starter given his smarts on the mound and all the little things he does to get hitters out.

      1. @romus – thanks! my assessment is in line with what you posted above. I will be thrilled if JoJo can still crank that FB up, with his body type, maybe we can hope for additional 2mph.. Like Medina, JoJo relies on movement and command of his pitches. I probably sell his SL too low, but i think both SL and CU still have some growth into it.

        1. KuKo:
          Romero’s 2Smr is in the low 90s, which is what you want since the movement is downward with off the barrel contact.
          His 4Smr he can crank it in up to that 93-94 marker when he wants to, and I assume that is when he gets the generation of his swing and miss up in the zone.

  12. At. no 6 I’m going Haseley – hoping for an OPS above .800 for Haseley at Clearwater in 2018 with reports of above average defense.

    Perspective – below are the batting lines for Haseley and Moniak while at Lakewood in 2017. Haseley is a full 2-years older than Moniak.

    .258 .315 .379 .694 for Haseley over 74 PAs
    .236 .284 .341 .625 for Moniak over 509 PAs

    My rankings:
    1. Crawford
    2. Kingery
    3. Sanchez
    4. Alfaro
    5. Kilome
    6. Haseley

    Ortiz likely at no. 7. with Medina, Moniak, De Los Santos, Cozens, and Quinn under consideration for the back 10.

    Stacked system.

    1. The system is stacked for sure, there are players we haven’t even discussed yet that will be pieces down the road, nice pieces! It is awfully exciting to imagine the possibilities

  13. I don’t understand why Tom Eshelman is getting so little attention. He had an excellent year at LHV. Only Crawford, Kingery, and Alfaro have proven anything in AAA ball. Eschelman will be given a look in Spring Training. That should count for something.

    1. His profile, albeit with pinpoint command, doesn’t project highly at the big league level. He’s a good bet to be a #4 starter. Will eat innings reliably. In my top 12.

      1. Eshelman will be a major league player but isn’t a potential difference maker. For me, ceiling is more important that floor with the challenge determining the chance a player has to reach that ceiling..

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