Box Score Recap – 5/16/2016

Tommy Joseph got his first major league hit Monday night.  He lined a single to center in his third at bat leading off the sixth inning.  He went 1-4 with a strike out, and made a couple nice catches on line drives headed for the RF corner.

Lehigh Valley (19-18) Lost to Syracuse, 5-4.  Mark Appel pitched well thru his first five innings when he allowed just two walks and a single.  He ran out of gas in the sixth when he gave up 3 runs and turned the inning over to James Russell with one on and two out. Russell walked the bases loaded before getting the final out.  The IronPigs took the lead in the bottom of the inning, but Seve Gonzalez blew the save opportunity.  Edward Mujica came on in the ninth in a non-save situation and earned the loss.  Darin Ruf homered in his first IronPigs’ start.

  • Appel – 5.2 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 6 K, 99 pitches/58 strikes.
  • Hunter (.271) went 2-4 with an RBI and sac.
  • Williams (.276) went 2-5.
  • LF Ruf went 2-5 with HR (1) and RBI.
  • Knapp (.245) DNP.
  • Stassi (.253) went 1-5.
  • Logan Moore went 2-4 with a triple in his first start for Lehigh.
  • Perkins (.308) went 1-1 as a pinch hitter.
  • Alonso (1) stole a base.
  • Williams (1) committed a fielding error.

Reading (24-13) No game scheduled.

Clearwater (25-13) Came from behind to beat St. Lucie, 8-5.  Tom Eshelman gave up 5 runs in the first three innings.  But Victor Arano and Ulises Joaquin shutout the Mets for five innings while the Threshers completed their comeback.  Zach Green had 4 hits. Gabriel Lino had 3 RBI.  Green and Carlos Tocci hit home runs, it was Tocci’s first.  Cody Ashe went hitless but played all nine innings.

  • Kingery (.255) went 1-5.
  • Tocci (.262) went 3-5 with a HR (1) and 2 RBI (15).
  • LF Asche (.167) went 0-5.
  • RF Pullin (.250) went 0-4.
  • 3B Green (.280) went 4-4 with a double, HR (5) and RBI (23).
  • Martin (.260) went 2-3 with a double and a BB.
  • Lino (.200) went 1-4 with a double and 3 RBI.
  • DH Sandberg (.270) went 2-4 with an RBI (13).
  • Walding (.270) DNP.
  • Canelo (5) stole a base.
  • Sandberg (3) was caught stealing twice, Kingery (2) once.
  • Canelo (10) committed a fielding error.
  • The Mets stole 5 bases on Eshelman/Lino.
  • Arano got his first win, Joaquin got his first save.

Lakewood (15-21) Had leads of 5-0, 8-2, and 9-4 but lost to Hagerstown, 12-9.  Jose Taveras left after five innings with a 9-6 lead.  Alejandro Arteaga and Jacob Waguespack gave up 3 runs each.  Artega got a HOLD for his one-third of an inning, JW blew the save and absorbed the loss.  Every BlueClaw starter got a hit, Marrero, Tobias, Garcia, and Tomscha had multi-hit games as the Claws out hit the Suns 13-12.  Tobias hit his fourth home run.  Tomscha had 3 RBI.

  • Taveras – 5.0 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 2 HR, 1 WP.
  • Arteaga – 0.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 0 K.  This was “hold worthy”.
  • Waguespack – 1.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 1 Balk, 1 of 2 inherited runners scored.
  • McLoughlin – 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP.
  • Marrero (.316) went 2-4 with a double, BB, and RBI.
  • Tobias (.320) went 2-4 with a BB, HR (4), and RBI.
  • Pujols (.277) went 1-5.
  • Grullon (.283) went 1-3 with an RBI and 2 BB.
  • Marrero was picked off first.
  • Tobias (7) committed a fielding error, Grullon (3) commited an error on a missed catch and on a pickoff attempt.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • 5/16 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released C J.P. Arencibia.
  • 5/16 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released LF Alfredo Marte.
  • 5/16 – Logan Moore assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading.
  • 5/16 – Joel Fisher assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Phillies XST.
  • 5/16 – LHP Joely Rodriguez assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater.
  • 5/16 – RHP Yacksel Rios assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Reading.
  • The Rosters are up to date here.

62 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 5/16/2016

  1. Appel has run out of gas in several outings. Lively, on the other hand, seems to have made mechanical adjustments that makes the most of his deceptive delivery. It’s getting a little crowded at the top of the ‘near major league ready’ list of arms with Eflin, Asher and Thompson. Appel is enigmatic. Spit balling here, but I would like to see him put in closer role at Lehigh for a stretch and find out how he responds.

          1. “He’s not failing as a starter, though.” – Blanket

            Guess I was asking you to explain….

          2. I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s been poor BUT I’m reading quite a few excuses for what’s going wrong each outing. After 4 yrs in minors, just sounds like a project to me.

            1. So trying to find out why a player’s talent isn’t translating during games is now an excuse. To my knowledge Appel has never made any excuses for his performance. If anything, he’s identified his weaknesses and has tried to work on them.

            2. Blanket, in reply to your comment below (since the reply tab isn’t there), I didn’t say Appel made excuses. And you can chill out with the attitude.

  2. It looks like Logan Moore is the next in line to catch for the Phillies if an injury occurs. Knapp needs to continue his development at catcher in the minor leagues, as does Alfaro. Lino is the next-best catcher, but his hitting is also suspect. Appel is inconsistent through nine innings, much less game-to-game. With him it seems to be confidence. He has the physical tools. Ramos has taken over as the closer after some shaky saves by Mujica. Maybe he is next up. Nick Williams is improving, but not dominating the way he should to be called up. The need for seasoning is obvious through all of the top prospects including Crawford. I don’t foresee any Phillies call-ups in the near future. Maybe Lively moves to Lehigh Valley.

    1. Puddinhead,

      I agree totally with your assessment.

      Interesting thought presented by a poster on another board: If Gomez continues to rack up saves, and there’s interest from other teams, maybe trade him and put a more natural closer in his place. Ramos could be the guy. Not necessarily this year, but maybe.

      1. this will be better assessed closing to july. if the phils continue to spring and some of the contenders fall on the wayside, the phils might hold on to temps like Hellboy, Gomez, Bailey and Neris (assuming all are pitching above expectation).

        i can see the phils will play it out until closer to the trade deadline and see if they stay competitive and keep the overperforming placeholders and do some aggressive promotions.

        IMO, i want the Phils to do what the Flyers did. Continue to development of the young guys, play hard and go as far as they can without giving up any of their assets.

        1. KuKo…with a poor offense , but good pitching and defense, not sure how far that will carry them into the season in contention. Velasquez will be shut down , IMO by Labor Day and who knows about what their plans on Nola are, though his pitching is so smooth and effortless he could go 200 easy.
          But agree…keep it going without breaking the pharm.

          1. @romus – i agree but it’s hard to say right now because the phils continue to surprise – hopefully this will not give the FO a false hope and trade prospects for vets who will help make the run.

            IMO, the Phils will want to sell high on the overperforming placeholders like Hellboy, Bailey, Gomez, Neris and even Bourjous (if he has any takers) and salvage whatever they can get.

            Promote the the upper levels prospects and start playing them together and form the core of the next great phillies team!! — looking at you Klentak! Don’t outsmart yourself at the trade deadline!

          2. Asche and Altherr plus Goeddel can help who’s replacing VV Asher I would have no probelm with. Nick Willams , Knapp etc have some work to do yet but as soon as they turn the corner they moveup.

    2. I’ve always been a fan of Logan Moore. I think that he can have a solid ML career, similar to Jeff Mathis, who has a career average under .200 but has managed to play 12 seasons in the big leagues.

  3. Why do you say “Appel ran out of gas”? What in his performance indicates that he got tired? Did his velocity dip? Was his his breaking balls not sharp? Or was it simply third time through a lineup? We know he does not have good deception on his motion. Maybe hitters are simply lining him up?

    Matt Winks had some good stats yesterday on Twitter that showed Appel is a far worse pitcher with men on base. Maybe he isn’t tiring and he needs to improve from the stretch.

    Point is there are many explanations besides getting tired that can explain poor performance.

    1. Jim P also said “out of gas” in his report. In any case he’s not going deep into games for whatever reason and this is his 4th yr in minors. Closing usually means nobody on base with lead in 9th or last inning. I’d like to see him given that situation.

      1. He was cruising thru 5..then the two walks in the sixth after the single.
        His pitch count was in the 60s after 5 say it wasn’t high.
        Perhaps he lost concentration..

      2. it’s probably about mental toughess rather than conditioning (for running out of gas or getting tired). i agree with some posters that guidance and mentoring will probably work since the stuff and projections are still there

    2. The game I saw him pitch a couple weeks ago, he ran out of gas, as noted by a sharp drop in velocity, by the 3rd inning. In his final inning of work, he didn’t throw a single pitch which reached 90 mph (he started the game with his FB at 94, T96 and was dominant for a couple of innings). And yes, his probems began when he had to throw from the stretch, but after that he also had a slow, very hittable FB when not throwing from the stretch. The first 2 innings were 6 up, 6 down and he looked amazing. After first guy reached base in the 3rd, he was not at all the same pitcher.

      1. well…if he is running out of gas in the 3rd inning (or after 60 pitches for that matter) then we have a bigger problem…because he is a reliever, not a starter.

  4. Hmm now Ruf hits a HR lol , Green having a nice little yr.Rios taking back step , the 2 RF taking day of from HR ville.

  5. A lot of pedestrian slash lines starting to show themselves across each level, which is fine for the moment. I personally am not a fan of every Philly.com writer putting up material that says ” Faster mover on way to MLB” or “________ ready for fast track to Bigs”. As we are seeing with JP, Knapp and Kingery especially, these guys need time. The Harpers, Strasburgs and Trouts of the game somewhat do the prospect world an injustice. These kids can gain more from dealing with failure at this stage in their development. It places such a strong emphasis on the mental approach for a player which will only help him in the long term.

  6. Career
    Josh Tobias .321 .384 .482 .866 BB/K 32/58 SB 13

    S. Kingery 252 .323 .356 .680 BB/K 33/66 SB 21

    Lakewood
    Kingery 250 .314 .337 .652 BB/K 18/43

    Tobias .320 .423 .496 .919 BB/K 14/42

    Tobias needs to be advanced, how long do you hold him back waiting for Kingery

    1. ‘ how long do you hold him back waiting for Kingery’….ok so you are pressing for the information….June 20th Tobias will be at 2nd vs Lakeland.

    2. wow…that is one of the more egregious cases of selective stat selection that I have ever seen.

      You seem to conveniently leave out what Kingery is doing this year at Clearwater, which is extremely impressive!

      a 10% bb rate and a 15% k rate, with a .140 ISO and 10/11 SBs is extremely impressive for a second base prospect.

      Oh, and then there is the fact that Tobias is almost 18 months older than Kingery.

      Oh and then there is how a player’s tools are graded by Scouts..you know, people who are paid to grade players.

      I like Tobias, but Kingery is by far a better prospect. It isn’t close frankly.

      1. Everything you say here is right. But the two thoughts aren’t mutually exclusive. Kingery could very much be the better prospect — which he is — and at the same time Tobias could need to be promoted — which he does.

        I’m cautiously optimistic on Tobias. The dude can really hit and I like the way he works counts when he’s patient. But it’s clear he needs a bigger challenge. Unfortunately, he’s got the better prospect having a nice season blocking his path 5 weeks into the season. The whole situation wreaks of each taking a step forward in June or July. Jesmuel Valentin’s a nice little player, but he shouldn’t be blocking the path of Kingery, and in turn, Tobias.

        1. Mitch……IMO they each…Kingery and Tobias jump up one level next month.
          And also, perhaps even Valentin heads up to LHV if Jordan wants to be aggressive. What is there to lose for each of them.

        2. I completely agree with you Mitch. But his time will come and if he is truly a MLB caliber player, the Phils (or another team) will find a spot for him. Just keep hitting Josh…just keep hitting.

        3. Tobias played third at college; seems like being a guy who could play second/third could give him more value as a future bench player; so, why not move him up and play third until Kingery is ready to be moved?

          1. Because his defense at 2B is one of the things that he needs to work on most. He probably won’t have a major league future if he can’t play there, so he needs the reps.

      2. v1…I more or less agree with you on this issue. And also agree…. age is a certainly a factor. And with that, JT did spend four years at FSU vs three years for SK at Arizona.
        I believe Kingery’s defense has been rated a plsu by a lot of observers…..not sure about Tobias’ however..

      3. Agree there, v….Kingery will be a fixture at 2b. Lotta folks on this site look for gaudy numbers. He’s not going to be a fantasy favorite.

          1. Exactly right, Frank. It’s intangibles and that one big impact play in the field or great AB that makes them a cut above.

    3. Tobias is probably closer to being a finished product, thus, the better stats (and probably closer to the majors), but it doesn’t mean he is the better prospect. Kingery still has the better raw abilities and projection so I still consider him the better prospect.

  7. At some point and I don’t know when that point is (now or this off season) Appel has to consider tearing everything down and rebuilding it in a one last ditch effort to remain a starter.

    I’ll point to Arrieta again and further back Roy Halladay. It could be something so simple that somebody much smarter than us can see.

    running out of gas doesn’t have to mean he loses velocity. It could mean he loses focus and thus his command starts to suffer. Definitely agree that Matt is onto something with his stretch or men on stats.

    Worse case scenario is maybe he just doesn’t want it bad enough. Not every talent has the competitive edge needed to succeed as this level.

    1. Two walks, back-to-back, in the 6th killed him…Goodwin and denDekker.
      Perhaps hoping to get the calls you want could be an answer.
      But sometimes you have to overcome those issues.

    2. I love that you mentioned Roy here, and if I were in charge I would pay Roy to be a consultant for Appel. He definitely knows how to simplify the game and would be the perfect mentor for the kid. He is definitely not broken, a tweak here a tweak there and he could become something still. Worst case, yea he becomes a late inning reliever. But I don’t give up on the kid yet, he will get at least this season and probably next to figure it out before they make a switch.

  8. I was watching the Ironpigs game last night, and Brundage told one of the announcers that Appel needs to work on his mechanics from the stretch, and it’s also a mental hurdle for him.

    1. How about making him pitch exclusively from the stretch for a period of time. Make him take this ‘issue’ head on, and make adjustments.

  9. Doc gave a lot of credit to a sports psychologist and a book that the psychologist wrote. Does anyone remember that? It seems as though Appel could use that book. And, LSigal, that is a great idea to hire Doc to mentor Appel and all of these young pitchers.

    1. Last I heard that was Doc’s next career path. He was supposedly going to school to do just that.

      1. Is he related to Marvin Dorfman from ‘Midnight Run’ with DeNiro, Grodin and Dennis Farina? 🙂

  10. In his last home start, Appel had significant problems from the stretch which were very apparent. Coaches and Mark even talked about it with reporters after the game. I didn’t watch the road start, but errors, and yes, walks had an impact on that outing.

    I wrote more extensively in my column today about the Appel start last night. Just my observations, and because I care:

    https://noisenation.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/ironpigs-today-another-manic-monday-5172016/

    1. krams….those two walks in the 6th were killers to his psyche or something. He tries two pickoffs in a row to first base after the Turner single, then unleashes four straight ‘called’ balls to Goodwin. Then he gets ahead of Dekker, 1-2 and again seems to miss his pitches. Perhaps out of the stretch is an issue and a concern.
      If he thought Turner was going…let him go …Moore has a decent arm. He may have been too concerned about holding him and then looses the plate.

      1. Yeah, I agree. That other game I was almost shouting, “go back to the wind up!” but you know, this isn’t the World Series and sometimes winning/losing takes a back seat to the work. I don’t like it, but I go to enough games to understand it. The mechanics fell apart somehow but I’m not want to chalk it up to mental or anything like that. He’s a big guy and sometimes these tall guys lose their mechanics. A really reliable secondary pitch might be just what the doctor ordered, but even if he has it, they may be telling him to get the delivery down first. Also might be why they pulled him when they did–figuring anything further was just going to undo the work they’ve been doing on the side.

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