Box Score Recap – 4/19/2016

Lehigh Valley (5-6) Lost to  Syracuse 3-2.  David Buchanan earned the loss.  Will Venable had 2 RBI.

  • Murray – 2.0 IP, 5 K.
  • Bailey – 1 IP, 1 H, 2 K.
  • Williams went 2-5.
  • Arencibia went 3-5 with a 2B.
  • Hunter went 0-2 with 2 BB.
  • Knapp had the night off.

Reading (9-4) Beat Richmond 5-4 with a run in the ninth.  Yacksel Rios got the win, Edubray Ramos his third save.  Severino Gonzalez entered with a 4-2 lead and blew the save.  J.P. Crawford scored the winning run after a BB, SB, WP, and SF.

  • Quinn went 2-5 with a 2B and 2 RBI.
  • Crawford (.304)went 1-1 with an RBI and 4 BB. He has 11 BB and 5 K in 57 PA, 46 AB.
  • Hoskins went 1-4 with a 2B and 2 RBI.
  • Valentin went 2-4 with a BB and RBI.
  • Pivetta  went 0-1 with a BB.
  • Quinn (5), Serna (2), Crawford (2), and Cozens (3) each stole a base.
  • Pivetta and Moore caught a base stealer.
  • Pivetta – 5.0 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K.
  • Rios – 0.1 IP, K.
  • Ramos – 1.0 IP, 2 K.

Clearwater (8-5) Beat Daytona 4-1.  Tom Eshelman allowed 1 ER on 2 H in 7.0 IP and struck out 9.  Jesen Therrien survived some mental mistakes and shoddy fielding behind him to get the save.  Scott Kingery was on base 4 times with 2 singles and 2 BB.  Zach Green hit a home run.  More here.

  • Kingery (.271) went 2-3 with 2 BB and stole his 4th base.
  • Green (.289) went 1-3 with a HR (3), BB, and RBI. He scored the go-ahead run on a PB.
  • Numata went 2-4 with a 2B.
  • Sandberg went 2-3 with a BB.
  • Eshelman – 7.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 9 K, 95 pitches/69 strikes, FB 89-92, t93 mph.

Lakewood (2-11)  Lost to Hagerstown 12-6.  Franklyn Kilome got knocked around again. “C” Randolph had 4 hits including his first home run.

  • Randolph went 4-5 with a HR (1) and 3 RBI.
  • Hayden went 3-5 with a 2B.
  • Kilome – 3.0 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 6 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, HBP, faced 4 batters in 4th.
  • Arteaga allowed 2 inherited runners to score.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings – 

  • 4/19 – LF Alfredo Marte assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/19 – Reading Fightin Phils placed C Jorge Alfaro on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to April 18, 2016.

79 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 4/19/2016

  1. Today at XST Mario Hollands had his second outing of the spring(the first was on Saturday, one inning,no hits 91 on his FB) and went one inning with 3 K’s and hitting 92 on most of his FBs. Will Stewart followed with 3 innings 0R,1H,0W 1K. Encarnacion had 2 hits, Ortiz an infield single, and Gamboa a double and a triple.

    1. I hope yo’re okay after that nasty run in with a baseball. How are you healing? We love the videos and your first hand commentary. Thanks for all you do and pleases watch out for flying baseballs.

  2. I wasn’t expecting Eshelman to be this good. Sometimes, it;s easy to forget he was a pretty high draft pick (#46 overall) last year.That Giles trade has a chance to go down as one of the all time steals in MLB trade history.

    1. I like Eshelman. And I love his most recent start. I am a big believer that command/control is the most important tool for a pitcher. But I think he is the type of pitcher who might be fools gold at the lower levels. I need to hear more about his stuff but reports last year was that it was mediocre. The 60/70 command will get you through lower levels. But he will struggle at higher levels if the stuff isn’t good too. Especially since he doesn’t throw hard. And there is likely little projection left.

      So he is going to be a “prove it at every level” guy for me. But will be fun to watch.

      1. v1…..what about the whiff ratio?
        Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t that your biggest component of whether or not a pitcher will ascend to higher levels of a pitching rotation?
        Remember what you said about Eflin in the past…..Is Eshelman all that different.

        1. lmao Romus vi lost me forever yesterday. I don’t know tocci or have ever seen him. But to say his hits are weak at his early stage was funny. If he hit 4 balls hard that were caught, Would the stat tell us. Who sits there and judges if the ball is hit hard or not?? Did he hit any balls to the warning track in that park. His logic is over my head. When I watch nick Williams not get around on a low velo fastball. It worries me. I don’t buy his argument that guys who move up do that. or whatever his logic was. I know what I have seen. Doesn’t mean the kid wont be good. But right now he looked lost to me. When I see a left hand hitter foul off a lot of fastballs to left that is a concern. Watching Knapp is fun. His swing is beautiful. By the way I cant believe how empty the stadium is this early.

          1. rocco……I do not want to disparage v1…he is knowledgeable and entitle to his opinion…but sometimes I like to pull his chain a bit, all in fun
            But to your point…’who sits there and judges if the ball is hit hard or not?? The metric LD%, along with its relationship to the GB% and FB% can give you a general idea of how a ball is hit……if you can get the exit velocity also that would help, but we deal with minor leaguers for the most part and that metric can be hard to obtain. Not even sure it is available.
            The major leagues have all the metric tools at their disposal.

          2. Well…Jim for one watches every game and he has said repeatedly that Tocci does not hit the ball hard on a regular basis.

            Also, his ISO in A ball is below 0.05 with 350 at bats, so there’s that.

            Yeah, he got into one last night against a relief pitcher and it went all the way to the warning track. well done. when you read scouting reports about him, they don’t talk about him they don’t talk about a hitter who sprays line drives all over the park. All off season people said he put on weight and worked out. But his ISO this year, albeit in a small sample size, is 0.021. I mean, that is basically 20 grade power.

            1. The hard hit ball by Tocci was off the Tortuga’s starter, Keury Mella. I’m on my way out to today’s game, but I think he is the Red’s #6 prospect – 65-55-50-55-55. He was mid-90s last night. The Threshers seemed to be late on most of his FB.

            2. Ever since Sportvision came up with its Hit f/x metric several years ago, I have been in favor of abandoning all other stats and just looking at walks, K’s and a hard-contact factor to measure the effectiveness of both hitters and pitchers.

              As long as baseball has been played, observers have judged hitters in large part by how hard they hit the ball or and pitchers by how hard their pitches were hit. I think that the hard-contact factor provides common ground for bringing together old-school baseball people with the newer stats-oriented crowd.

              Since balls in play far outnumber walks and K’s, the hard-contact factor has been an important missing stat, and the technology now exists to produce that stat.

        2. I really like the swing and misses he got last night. But I would like to see it over a much larger sample size. And I would also like to hear from scouts that it is coming from a plus breaking ball or change. And not just from a savvy college pitcher confusing a bunch of young A ball hitters.

          1. Here is a short article saying he was using his curve early, but then went to his slider as his out pitch after they scored the run off his curve. That bodes well that he can make in game adjustments and throw his off speed stuff for strikes. I would say that 89-92 T93 would probably be avg. velo to maybe a touch below for a right hander, but still plenty if he can throw his off speed stuff for strikes as that will help his FB play up. In general i am in agreement about advanced college pitchers in the low minors, and phils have had their share of mirages, but he is only 21 and that is below league avg. age and only in his first full pro season. Is he the next great thing? No, but i think that he is more then just org filler and has a real shot to be a solid back end type.


            1. Chris King hasn’t said much about him. I think he covers GCL mostly.

              He did see Tocci’s lone double, and had this to say:

            2. I always start with a skeptical view of prospects because I believe that the gap between AAA and the Majors is enormous and that any major flaw will get exposed. Tocci is 20 years old and will turn 21 this season. He has been in our system for 4+ years, and he still shows 20 grade power. That is a major, major red flag. And he is past the point where we can just say, “ahh, he is young.” There are several 20 year olds in FSL that are crushing the ball. Tocci is tied for second to last ISO in the FSL,a

              So when I read a post that he is ready to move up to AA, it just doesn’t square with me. I don’t have rose colored glasses.

            3. Tocci got a triple. He hit a weak grounder to third it hit the bag at about 3 mph. rolled into outfield. Third basemen fell down. so did the left fielder and tocci got to third. another weak hit

      2. completely agree. we have seen a ton of guys like this in the organization in the last few years. command and control is great at the lower levels, but you need some heat on your fastball to be a solid major leaguer. definitely not writing this kid off at all though, great to see this start from him and hopefully he keeps it up

        1. Happy 420 Day everyone. The great equalizer to lacking velocity can be in some cases movement. I haven’t seen Eshelman yet but if we think back to how KK stayed around for so long there were nights when he could start his 2 seam on the hip of lefties and run it back quite nicely.

          If you’re seeking a ray of light on his chances to progress at higher levels.

      3. High A is a big step up from low A and for Eshelman to be succeeding is a really good sign. The big test is AA though as a good bit of the competition is potentially ML quality (not ML ready).

    2. And It Still Might Not Be As Good As The Hamel deal…it’s weird to be on the right side of deals.

  3. Reading and Clearwater are both tied 4 first. Kingery and Green both had nice days. C starting to find his stroke Kilome has some stuff to work out.

        1. People that post don’t get graded on the 20-80 scale and described as “high upside bloggers with ceilings to reach Fangraphs if things click.” Go troll people on some political site or x-rated comment sections unless you can describe the swing path of Granny Cumana or the glove side drop of Bailey Falter sand pounder.

  4. Victor Robles had a strange looking stat line against Lakewood: 0 for 2, 4 runs, 1 walk. I can honestly say I’ve never seen that line before, even with decades of reading boxscores.

    1. Rick, our Howard disagreement aside, I see we are watching the same prospects. Would love to see Sandberg break out a bit more.

      1. Saw him a few times at Lakewood last year (love that park). Just think someone with his athletic tools could really take a leap forward this year.

  5. I have a question about Kilome…I don’t remember who but it was like 2 years ago that somebody really talked him up and he kind of flew up reader top 30 last two years…I am more fan than fanatic so I don’t know much about him but I haven’t seen much in box scores that have been good…thoughts?

    1. Yeah that was Matt Winkleman from the Phillies Minor Thoughts website.

      He pumped Kilome up beyond belief because he received great reports (saw some tweets) that said Kilome looked great in Instructs.

      Unfortunately the results have never even come close to matching the stuff/hype. SSS and all but the cold weather excuses for this years terrible start are getting very old…

      1. I think Matt Winkleman got a lot of his info from many varied past reliable sources who actually saw him during that period in 2014. There were some BP/Fangraphs or BA types who also had him projected higher after that time. So he wasn’t alone in that regards.

      2. With very young players, I don’t care how good their tools are and how great the reports are, until they begin showing their stuff in games, you really don’t know very much. I’m not doubting that he looked great in practice, that he has great raw stuff, or that he has a chance to be really good, but it hasn’t translated yet to the games, so his future is hazy. It’s still early, but he obviously has a long way to go.

      3. Many prospect evaluators are high on Kilome. It’s not just one blogger “hyping” a guy for no good reason. Kilome has been terrible, but he wouldn’t be the 1st pitcher with great stuff, who performed terribly after good reports on his stuff. Ken Giles, who was a favorite of scouts in the low minors, had an ERA over 5 in High A, then went to the Majors the next year and dominated. You have to be careful when writing off pitchers with good stuff, after a couple bad starts.

    2. Instructs of ’14 is when the scouts started raving about his stuff and his projectability. He had only pitched 40 innings earlier that season in the GCL, but that fall he seem to advance. Last season he worked thru some ailments and pitched average by the metrics.
      IMO, he needs to harness what he has, it seems, and get his control in order…his command in the zone may even take a little longer. He also could be working on something they want him top do before he progresses.

      1. With regard to Kilome I thought it was fair to put him on the radar but as we often do we put too much helium in his balloon LOL. I forget where the reader pole ended up putting him but I had Pinto ahead of him.

        Still I think the tools are there but age level is always a big factor and that was my one knock him back in Feb.

  6. Williams, Quinn, and Randolph all with multi hit games after slow starts to their season. These three guys are expected to play in Philly one day so we need them picking it up. Bad news on Alfaro but he’ll be back in a month or so and have to start it up again then.

  7. I’m flipping back and forth between the Philies game and the Cub/Cardinals last night thinking to myself “wow the Cubs came on fast” Theo took over in Oct 2011 so if you count that his first offseason they are technically in year 4 of their rebuild.

    What says the board in terms of where we started the clock on our rebuild?

    1. Theo’s rebuild may be the fastest and most effective I can ever recall. I believe that the Cubs have the best young talent in baseball (and definitely the best young hitting talent) and look well situated to break their 110 year drought. To bring context to the length of that drought, the last time the Cubs won a World Series:

      1. Theodore Roosevelt was President.
      2. The Wright Brothers’ Kitty Hawk plane was modern technology.
      3. Albert Einstein had just published his theory of special relativity and his theory of general relativity was still about 10 years away.
      4. The Titantic would not sink for another 6 years.
      5. World War I was 8 years away.
      6. Ty Cobb had not yet played his first full season in the majors and the biggest stars in baseball were Nap Lajoie, Christie Mathewson and Honus Wagner.
      7. Basically, nobody other than the ultra rich or ultra experimental, owned a car and if they did, it was more a novelty than a viable form of transportation.
      8. The silent movie era was in its infancy.

      Yes, it’s time for the Cubs to win another World Series.

    2. Perhaps full blown the first season after JRoll was traded…last year?
      Selecting JPC and Nola were byproducts of lousy seasons prior, but once Ruben decided to move JRoll then it began in my estimation.

      1. Romus,


        The departure of JRoll and Utley signaled a new start.

        The Hamels and Giles trades dramatically accelerated the process. Warp speed.

    3. And you know what is fascinating about that? The fact that the Cubs drafted/developed their bats (Heyward the exception FA sign, traded pitching with Cashner for Rizzo) and signed the arms. Everything about the Phillies philosophy is polar opposite with arms 1st then sign/trade for bats.

      We all know good pitching beats good hitting, but you still have to score to win ball games…

      1. And the Cubs in 2013 and then in 2014 also busted the international pool for signing Latins.
        Gleyber Torres and Eloy Jimenez are products of that endeavor
        And also, I remember Soler was a big signing and Ruben hesitated….finally deciding on MAG later down the road!

        1. Honestly, I don’t think RAJ hesitated. I think management/ownership doesn’t like to spend big internationally.

          1. I wholeheartedly agree. Dave Montgomery and Dallas Green loathed the idea but now that Middleton is front and center I expect those purses to loosen quite a bit.

            1. The devil stopped them from spending in latin market. Bill Giles is the evil devil. along with montrgomery

    4. The cubs have picked in the top ten in 6 of the last 9 years, with 4 additional supplemental 1st round pick mixed in there. I realize that Theo only got there in 2011, but their rebuild has been going on a lot longer then 4 years IMO. He has put a really good team together with some good FA signings and trades, but he wasn’t starting from ground zero when he took over. I only mention this as a cautionary tale for people thinking that the phils rebuild is going to happen over night.

  8. I’m not looking for fast success I’m looking for sustainable success. I’m looking to see if we have the scouting acumen in place to identify talent and then the imagination to acquire it. I’m looking to see if there is a synergy in place between the advanced analytics and the scouts that can correctly interpret what the data is saying.

    So far I think I really like what I see in Almarez and Sal has done a pretty decent job with a low budget over the years but he will now have a larger spotlight on him with a bigger LA budget.

    1. What I like to see is us get a team like 08 and not go down hill. Being cheap in Latin market and signing a Howard type, for too much money. If the cardinals let pujols go and still were good. why cant we do it. look anyone who believes it wasn’t Giles and Montgomery who stopped the Latin market spending. They are just fooling themselves. While we were getting better before 08 we should have been looking ahead. Knowing we would be drafting lower. Where there is less talent. while the Latin market was wide open was crazy, on the teams part. We might not have had to go get a pence. if we spent in Latin market and Cuba for prospects. I really believe now with Middleton the gloves are off. I just couldn’t believe how empty that stadium was last night. shame

      1. rocco…..signing Latins kids has as much risk as the Rule 4 guys. But understand where you are coming from.
        I look at the Rangers…..they are one of the 6/7 teams that plunge with big money into that talent pool. And to think O.Herrera only cost them $175K and Nomar Mazaro a few million more.

          1. They are one of the teams……along with teams like the Yankees, Cubs, LADs, Rangers, and Braves
            Now other teams spend big…..for that one big fish however…Twins and Sano, Royals also, Pirates and Heredia (Polanco and Marte were Franco type signings…low dollar), ChiSox with Abreu.
            Some teams, if not for the penalties, would do it every year with 3 or 4 $$$MMM signings every year.

        1. Romus every kid is a risk. How many top talents don’t make it from the draft. Point is money shouldn’t stop you from going after top players in latin and Cuban market.

  9. Refreshing to have pedigree baseball people running the operation. RAJ was in my opinion more a hand tied victim of ownership’s nostalgic sentiment. Monty is a great guy but NOT a baseball man. Sorry if I’m saying what’s been said ad nauseum. I like Middleton. Rich people who are passionate about winning make the best owners. Having smart baseball minds are hired to sustain that success. Hopefully Klentak is breathing the same air as MacPhail. Cheers to finally getting it right!

      1. Aron difference is the owner of Washington. Thinks he knows talent. He isn’t a guy who stays in the background and lets good personal people run his team.

  10. What? Posts dry up? Everybody distracted by Eagles news? …..come on! We all know who the real up and coming team is….

  11. Pinto with a good game today.
    Thompson still hasn’t found his mojo.
    Imhof has begun to make his move.
    And Sandberg…whoa…where did this come from!

  12. Anyone watch the Reading game today? Saw some of it while working, there was a bench clearing as Quinn didn’t like a tag that was applied to him at 2B after he got caught in a PO move. I just walked back in when it happened so I didn’t really see the tag but saw the benches clear (it only lasted a second or two)

    Pinto seemed to do well.

  13. I didn’t realize that Sandberg. who hasn’t hit well. still has move up a level each year. Same as viza. They must see something we haven’t seen yet. Romus was Lakewood suppose to be a bad team or to put it another way. Do they not have a lot there.?

    1. I said that about Sandberg in spring training . They moved him up maybe in Lakewood its so bad for hitters that as long as you can hit for avg stats your ok.he did hit 28 Doubles which is good and his D is above avg. The Lakewood lineup is filled with alot of free swingers and the pitchers have been horrible .

    2. They hit enough to have a better record. Their avg/obp/slg/ops ranks 5th/5th/6th/6th in the league. But their pitching has been terrible other than Arauz. They rank last in ERA and WHIP. They have given up the most R, ER, and BB. Their starters’ ERAs are 2.25, 4.50, 4.50, 6.00, 8.56, and 15.83. The only relievers below 4.00 are at 3.68 and 1.50.

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