2016 Draft Discussion, March 27th

The 2016 draft discussion continues here.  These discussions will be accessible under the draft menu for reference.

Florida’s A.J. Puk took a step backward at Kentucky.  His line was 4.1 IP, 4 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP, 20 BF, 4 FO, 4 GO, 82 pitches. Puk suffered his second loss and has a 1-2 record.  #1 Florida is 23-2/4-1.

Oklahoma’s Alec Hansen faced #23 Texas Tech in their conference opener.  He didn’t finish the first inning.  His line was 0.2 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 8 BF, 34 pitches (14 strikes). After two ground outs, Hansen left after walking in the second and third runs of the inning. The relief pitcher walked in another run charged to Hansen.  His record is 0-4.

Louisville’s OF Corey Ray is 3-9 so far this weekend against #9 Virginia with a HR and 5 RBI. He is batting .330 on the season from the leadoff slot with 7 HR, 27 RBI and 24/27 SB.

Mercer’s CF Kyle Lewis was 5-11 with 7 RBI and 2 HR this weekend against Wofford. He is batting .457 with 38 RBI and 11 HR so far this season.

Florida’s Friday Night pitcher, Logan Shore, raised his record to 5-0 with the following line – 5.0 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 1 HBP, 22 BF, 3 FO, 6 GO, 85 pitches.

And, finally, Riley Pint had an auspicious 2016 debut.  He hit a grand slam in his first at bat and struck out 5 of the first 6 batters he face in front of about 75 scouts.  His line was 3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K.  The excerpt below is from Perfect Game.

“Pint’s three innings on the mound were nothing short of spectacular.  He pitched at 95-99 mph in the first inning and settled in at 93-96 for the next two frames.  Pint struggled at times last summer to throw strikes with his fastball but he seemed to be throwing with less effort and more compact mechanics this time out.  He did miss high a couple of times but was generally pounding his fastball downhill to the lower quadrants of the zone well.  His arm action in particular seemed to be a bit more compact than when I’ve previously seen him and it worked very well for him.

The biggest revelation of the outing, however, was Pint’s changeup, which he threw 8-10 times almost all at 88 mph.  Throwing an 88 mph changeup to high school hitters seems at the surface to be doing them a big favor but the movement and location on the pitch made it no favor.  Pint manipulated the grip to where he alternately got both standard changeup fade and run but other times created cutter/slider type action on the pitch.  I was seated a bit off to the side and had to ask a friend directly behind the plate if it was indeed a slider.  He said definitely not, that it was a changeup.

Pint’s curveball, which he threw maybe 6 times and primarily in strikeout counts, was a third pitch that showed plus at times.  It was mostly 83 mph from a consistent release point and arm speed as his fastball and had big hard biting action about half the time.”

Jason Groome makes his first start on April 1st.

52 thoughts on “2016 Draft Discussion, March 27th

  1. Pretty much done with Hansen at this point unless he turns it around. Puk–inconsistent. He’s always been inconsistant. Kyle Lewis is getting my attention, though….let’s see if he can keep it up. I haven’t seen updated video on Pint but his mechanics were inconsistent before, which led to a lack of control. If the report is true, then he just became a much more interesting prospect. Now it’s up to Groome to show us what he’s got!

      1. I posted in last week’s thread Hansen has a Mike Matuella feel IMO. Last year, Matuella was being talked about as a possible 1.1 pick at the start of the year. When the season started, he had all kinds of trouble on the mound, he eventually had TJ surgery, and ended up an overslot 3rd round pick by the Rangers.

    1. Lewis from Mercer is definitely catching my attention. I wonder if he can stick in center and if not can he play right. I know he’s from a smaller school, but those numbers are impressive.

  2. Tanner Houck RHP from Missouri had 9 innings of shutout ball with 11 K’s and allowing only 2 hits against #4 Vandy. His effort caused me to watch more of that then the Nova BB game.

    He and A J Puk went against each over last weekend and Puk had the much better outing. Houck went 5 iinnings (I think) and gave up 5 R/ER.

  3. “Jason Groome makes his first start on April 1st.”…..that’s not an April Fool’s thingy, is it?
    Schedule as follows, show only games tomorrow and Wednesday the 30th for this week?
    Do not see any Friday April 1st game’s scheduled.

    The Barnegat Bengals baseball team has a home non-conference game vs. Toms River East on Monday, March 28 @ 10a.

    Toms River East (Toms River, NJ)
    Game Details: Barnegat High School

    @ Jackson Memorial (Jackson Township, NJ)
    Game Details: Jackson Memorial

      1. Ok…they must have changed the schedule.
        Also, I thought the 10AM start times were a bit odd…but then again, they could be on spring break this week!

  4. Kyle Lewis is definitely a very interesting guy. They are some incredible numbers he’s putting up. However, according to Keith Law, Lewis faces horrible pitching in the Southern Conference.

  5. I’m no amateur scout I’m just a big fan. But I hope that by the draft there is a clear cut #1 choice. I do trust the front office/scouting to make the right choice.

  6. I think we get a little caught up with the 1.1 pick. Yes, we all want a homerun, but we have to remember there are many not so great 1.1 picks. This is nit going to be a make or break pick. I hope we have a strong draft where we bring in a lot of talent just like how we’ve been doing the past year. I’m not too focused on the first pick, but rather first 5 picks.

  7. Yeah that’s the first day for HS baseball in Jersey. We have a 10am start time for our first game as well. I’m going to do my best to get to as many of his starts as possible. Will give a report for the games I get to. Love watching this kid pitch.

  8. It’s funny how most of us have a #1 guy already picked out. Last year at this time, neither Dansby Swanson or Alex Bergman were consensus top 5 picks. Some mocks had them outside the top 10, pre-season (in March). Now they’re top 25 prospects in all of baseball.

  9. I know its hearsay but there was an anonymous quote from a MLB GM last week that said Groome is the best high school pitcher since Kershaw. That was interesting.

    1. Coached against both. I dunno if this is appropriate to say this on a public board but Mondile has had issues with drugs in the past (and not talking about light drugs), had a stay at rehab and everything. When he threw against us in the NJ Legion Final 8, he was good but he didn’t really stick out to be honest. He wasn’t the best player in his Brooklawn team (anyone who knows baseball in NJ has heard of Brooklawn btw).

        1. It might not be a secret however i’m sure not many people on here knew about it. Hopefully that’s behind him because he’s actually a good kid who obviously made some big mistakes. I agree with you as well, even if it’s not the first round . . . if a team is making an investment in someone, they are going to vet them really well. One reason why I love Groome so much is because of his attitude and mental make up.

          1. Absolutely. He’ll be given the chance, whether it’s Florida State or a MLB organization, to succeed.

            Yeah Mondile and Groome aren’t even comparable but I get your jist, Groome is special.

      1. I grew up in Bellmawr so yea Brooklawn baseball included Gloucester Catholic, Bellmawr , Haddon Heights etc. Most years Brooklawn in the top nationally . Them and Deluxe bakery in softball are the best around. Gloucester Catholic had 3 pitchers last year with Div 1 scholarships .

          1. Where at , I’m from Welsh Ave near Bell Oaks funny I move to Pine Hill ,then to Deptford, back to Berlin area. I still have family in Bellmawr area.

      2. That is a really good program brooklawn runs. If I am not mistaken. They won titles under the coach. whos name I forgot. His brother and him ran the indoor batting facility over in new jersey.

        1. My Friend Frank R ran Bellmawr baseball for a couple of years . I remember Will Vespe big recuit to Miami his family used order 3 frozen pizza from my friends pizza shop to bring now to him.

        2. They’ve been so good for so long. They were the top team when I played (2000-2005) and are the same now that i’m coaching. Most of their team have scholarships to play college baseball (obviously not all D1). For public schools in New Jersey, Steinert High School is a powerhouse. When I was a Sophomore (2001) their top 4 pitchers:

          4. Sabatino (cant remember his first name) D1 Scholarship

          3. Chris Neyland drafted in the 17th round by the Blue Jays

          2. Matt Sweeney drafted in the 11th round by the Phillies

          1. Michael Rogers undrafted, full ride to NC State where he was an All American as a Fr. and in 2004 drafted in the second round by the A’s

          Crazy for a public school to have 4 arms like that on one team and all of them being in the same class.

    1. Disagree. You want to be drafted in the 1st round of the MLB draft than be prepared to have every aspect of your life reviewed closely. If someone is considering giving you a guaranteed million dollar contract, your history of drug abuse is certainly relevant.

        1. Agree in principle however as I said above – this isn’t a secret, and we’re discussing options for first round (and beyond selections). Why a first round talent shouldn’t be considered at that slot is a relevant topic.

          Just my opinion.

  10. Thought you might get a kick out of this:

    Scouting Report: Trout has turned himself into a favorite of scouts in the Northeast, both for his talent and his makeup. An East Carolina commitment, he has rocketed up draft boards as a senior, thanks to an improved offensive approach. Last year, even in the fall, he had a tendency to bail out in the batter’s box, particularly against sliders. This spring he has quieted his approach and improved against breaking balls, and he’s shown the ability to hit hard line drives to all fields, though his swing still gets loopy and long at times. Halfway through the spring, Trout even began working on hitting lefthanded, and he showed some aptitude for it. Trout’s frame and skill set draws comparisons to Aaron Rowand, but he’s a faster runner—he runs the 60-yard dash in 6.5 seconds. He has good range and instincts in center field and plenty of arm for the position. Trout’s bat is not a sure thing, but he has a chance to be a solid-average hitter with average or better power. Like Rowand, Trout is a grinder who always plays the game hard.”


      1. my favorite part…”Trout’s bat is not a sure thing, but he has a chance to be a solid-average hitter” i literally lol’d when i read that.

        1. Apparently even the top baseball known colleges were skeptical of Trout’s potential back then, since East Carolina is not what I would call a great traditional baseball school.

          1. here is a short article on Trout that touches on how he would have ended up at ECU:


            ECU posted him as a 2009 recruit – the following still remains on their site:

            Mike Trout – OF – 6-1, 195 – Millville Senior High (Millville, N.J.)
            Earned five letters (3 baseball, 2 basketball) at Millville Senior … Helped the Thunderbolts to the 2008 conference title under head coach Roy Hallenbeck … Batted .338 (27-for-80) with a home run, 23 RBI and swiped 14 bases as a freshman … During sophomore campaign, led the team with a .457 average (37-for-101), hit three home runs, 18 RBI with 19 stolen bases (team leader) … On the mound, posted a 7-2 record with one save while fanning 79 batters in 54.1 innings posting a 1.67 ERA … Followed up sophomore season with a .530 batting average (35-for-96) … Led the Thunderbolts in home runs (9), RBI (35), hits (35), triples (2) and stolen bases (18) … Posted an 8-2 record with four shutouts, eight complete games, 124 strikeouts in 76 innings with a 1.77 ERA … Named team captain as a junior and senior … Career Numbers: .436 batting average (99-for-227), 76 RBI, 102 runs, swiped 51-of-55 bases, posted a 15-4 record on the mound with one save, fanned 203 batters in 129.3 innings, 12 complete games, five shutouts and a 2.22 ERA … Currently ranked as the No. 1 prospect in New Jersey and No. 33 nationally by Perfect Game … Invited to try-out for the U.S. National squad during summer of senior year … Two-time all-conference player in baseball and basketball … Participant in 2008 Area Code Games and East Coast Showcase … Played travel baseball with the Tri-State Arsenal under Bob Barth … Three-time National Honor Society member, Academic Varsity Letter winner and Leaders Club … Personal: Full name is Michael Nelson Trout … Born Aug. 7, 1991 in Vineland, N.J. … Son of Jeff and Debbie Trout … Father played baseball at the University of Delaware and in the Minnesota Twins organization.
            Coach Godwin’s Comments: “Mike is one of the best athletes I have seen on the diamond and will go into his senior year as one of the top outfielders in the country. He has tremendous speed and power and will be a mainstay in the outfield and the top half of our lineup during his tenure as a Pirate.”

          2. Exactly. Decent program but not an SEC or PAC 10 powerhouse. He had the stigma of being a cold weather product.

            Think it might now be working in Groome’s favor – scouts missed on Trout and are looking more into all mid Atlantic states, not just NJ.

            1. Seems to go in cycles for certain regions…like south Jersey and this mid-Atlantic area. The Bull’s boy was top in the area as a catcher in ’92 and didn’t make it, then they cooled in this area…..then the O’s selected Bishop Eustace’s Billy Rowell in ’06 at number 9, and he really didn’t make it, so maybe Trout has revitalized the thinking again for south Jersey.

            2. Yeah played against Ryan in high school (and little league for that matter). Remember Ben Davis went 2nd overall. That was a bust.

            3. There’s Doolittle form Lenape a power school . Scouting as a hole misses a lot, there’s a HOF QB that was bagging Groceries my favorite QB bty. A DE that delivered Pizza , Bobby Ryan from Cherry hill nj in hockey. Johnny Hockey is from Gloucester Catholic south jersey is not a hockey hot bed .

            4. Yes, Ryan Luzinski, saw him crush a ball over LF at the old Vet when he was only 16-years old in a Carpenter Cup game. He was bulky muscle huge and dwarfed most of the other kids.

    1. Reminds me of the one JJ Watt posted on his Twitter page last year calling him a hard working mediocre talent as a college senior. Missed the boat on that one…

  11. For what it is worth, scout.com posted a mock draft the other day (http://www.scout.com/mlb/scouting/story/1656002-scout-s-2016-mlb-mock-draft-2-0?s=309)

    Jeff Ellis’ pick: Nick Senzel, 3B, Tennessee
    Taylor Ward’s pick: Jason Groome, LHP, Barnegat HS (NJ)

    Jeff Ellis: Groome is the top talent in the draft, so I get why Taylor made his pick. Having said that, I would still not rank him as high as either Brady Aiken or Koby Allard the last two years.

    The Phillies have a new GM, Matt Klentak, from the Angels system who is known as one of the most conservative drafters. I think the Phillies are leaning away from prep talent and pitchers. Senzel is my number one college bat and I think that is what the Phillies want.

    Taylor Ward: When the season started, three pitchers came in as the “Big Three” coming into the draft and the only one that has stood out thus far is Groome. The Phillies have premier talent at nearly every position in their system and having excess amount of pitchers is never a bad thing. I like Senzel as the top bat in this draft, but feel that Groome has more to offer the Phillies. Groome is very polished as a prep southpaw, with a firm mid 90’s fastball, filthy curve and decent changeup. Scouts say he has top-10 MLB arm potential, which is a strong enough argument for me.

    1. “When the season started, three pitchers came in as the “Big Three” coming into the draft and the only one that has stood out thus far is Groome…”

      How could Groome be the only one to stand out, if he hasn’t even played yet?

  12. Most hs kids hadn’t started there seasons yet some mock draft really mean nothing at this point. True Groome hasn’t threw pitch in a game he mite have grown or put on muscle . His FB mite tick to 95 to 97 or CB mite have more tilt you never know. The Phillies need depth at 3rd and power corner Of .

  13. From Keith Law’s chat today:

    Mike: Keith … If not Groome at 1.1, then who do the Phillies settle for ?
    Klaw: Your mistake is saying “settle.” Why would you assume Groome is the top prospect when so many folks, myself included, believe that this class lacks a clear 1-1 guy? I’d take Corey Ray there right now, although I think Blake Rutherford, Delvin Perez, and perhaps even Braxton Garrett could make cases to go that high.

    Jack: Puk and Hansen haven’t shown anything to make me think the Phillies would consider them at 1.1 . You’ve previously stated they won’t pick a HS pitcher. Who then ?
    Klaw: I answered this above but will say you’re right about those two guys.

    Matt: I know you firmly believe the Phillies won’t take groome at one, but why? I’ve seen plenty of credible people post mock drafts saying it will happen. Why is your opinion so strong that they won’t ?
    Klaw: Because I base my opinions on industry gossip and knowledge of team strategies and preferences. This is why I wait to do mocks – until then, most of what I know is negative (“We won’t take Joey Bagodonuts there, no shot”) and not enough is positive.

    Funny thing is he doesn’t believe they’ll take Groome, but he lists Braxxton Garrett (another HS LHP) as a possibility. I don’t get that.

  14. It really confuses me because KLaw wrote that Ray projects as an “average Major League OF”, and touts him as 1.1. That is not what I want from that pick. There are negatives about taking HS SP, not about Groome himself. I have seen many positive opinions on Groome, no negatives. KLaw has the opinion that the Phils won’t take a HS Pitcher just because, but MacPhail has said repeatedly that you grow Pitching and buy bats. That is a smokescreen? Why Who are they smoking? They pick 1.1

    1. matt13….perhaps Phillies ought to trade down……ooops……Commish Manfred has not yet made that proposal for league vote in the upcoming Dec. CBA.

  15. That’s why you wait a month, Rutherford been there for a most a yr on top. I don’t think the will take another Hs OF or SS Perez really hasn’t been in the top 5. Funny not Groome but 3 other Hs players.

  16. Tried to have a discussion with Keith Law about why he doesn’t feel Groome is 1-1 but when I questioned what negatives he had on Groome, he said “Good night”, guess he isn’t a fan of having a legit discussion.

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