Box Score Recap – 8/21/2015

Jerad Eickhoff made his major league debut a memorable night.  The big, right-handed pitcher struck out five in six innings of five-hit ball.  He walked one and threw 52 strikes among his 75 pitches.  Eickhoff also was a force at the plate.  He failed to move a runner with a bunt during his first at bat and completed the at bat with a strike out.  But it was his second at bat that set the tone for the night.  With two runs in and runners on second and third, the Marlins opted to intentionally walk Cameron Rupp to get to Eickhoff.  He stroked the first pitch through the left side for a two-run single.  The 4-0 lead helped the Phillies cruise to a 7-0 victory.  Although he is still looking for his first sacrifice bunt, Eickhoff bunted into a force out in his third at bat, the young pitcher has notched three Major League firsts – win, hit, and RBI.

Elsewhere in the organization, The GCL Phillies won to pull within a game of the division lead.

GCL Phillies (32-19) beat the GCL Blue Jays 8-4.  In an important game for both teams as they begin the stretch run, Adonis Medina (3-1, 2.43) battled through five shutout innings.  Zach Morris (2.45) followed with three, one-hit innings, striking out four.  Tanner Kiest  (4.67) stumbled through the top of the ninth only retiring one batter while walking two and launching three wild pitches.  He left with a run in and the bases loaded, and Ismael Cabrera (0.64) allowed three inherited, albeit unearned, runners to score.  He began with a run-scoring wild pitch before trading a run for an out on a ground ball.  An RBI single made sure that all three inherited runners scored.

The Phillies took advantage of every mistake the Jays made in the first five innings to build an eight run lead.  The Phillies only had eight hits, but they worked seven walks and a hit batter.  Jays pitching threw four wild pitches.

The Phillies went ahead with two runs in the second inning.  Greg Pickett drove in their first run on a line drive, RBI single to right.  A wild pitch brought in Juan Luis with the second run.  They appeared to break the game open with three runs in the third on Juan Luis RBI single, Lucas Williams walk, and Scott Tomassetti sac fly.  They tacked on two runs in the fourth on one hit.  Jonathan Arauz walked and scored on Cornelius Randolph’s RBI double over the center fielder’s head.  “C” advanced to third on a wild pitch and scored on another wild pitch.  The Jays’ fourth wild pitch figured into the Phillies’ final run in the fifth inning.  Tomassetti double to right.  After Pickett was drilled in the back with a pitch, a wild pitch move Tomassetti over to third where he could easily score on Arauz’ single to left.

  • Jonathan Arauz (.243) went 1-4 with a run scored, walk, and RBI.
  • “C” Randolph (.305) went 1-3 with 2 runs scored, a double, 2 walks, and an RBI.
  • Luis Encarnacion (.285) went 1-5 with a run scored.
  • Edgar Cabral (.280) went 2-4 with 2 runs scored.
  • Lucas Williams (.280) went 0-3 with walk and RBI.
  • Juan Luis (.264) went 1-2 with a run scored, walk, and RBI.
  • Scott Tomassetti (.284) went 1-3 with a run scored, double, RBI.and 2 K.
  • Greg Pickett went 1-1 with 2 walks, an HBP, and an RBI.

There is no wild card, only the four division winners qualify for the playoffs.  The Phillies have the third best record in the GCL and as things stand today would miss the playoffs. They won a crucial game against the Blue Jays today and can tie for the division lead with another win tomorrow in Dunedin.  They play back-to-back double headers against the cellar dwelling Yankees1 Monday and Tuesday of next week.  After a home-and-home series with the Pirates they finish with another crucial  home-and-home series with the division leading Blue Jays.

  1. GCL Blue Jays   33   18      —     —
  2. GCL Phillies        32   19     1.0     9
  3. GCL Pirates         27   25     6.5     3

Lehigh Valley (55-71) posted a come-from-ahead loss against the Pawtucket Red Sox 7-3. The IronPigs provided Jesse Biddle (2-3, 5.85) with an early 3-0 lead.  Biddle after a lead off single in the sixth with a 3-2 lead.  He had given up eight hits and two walks while striking out three batters.  Jason Berken (5-8, 4.11) came in and couldn’t miss enough bats as he blew the save and surrendered the lead in a five-run inning.  Murray and Rosin mopped up the last two innings.

The IronPigs scored three runs on three hits in the first two innings, including Kelly Dugan’s second AAA home run, off The Sox Rick Porcello.  Porcello went 5.2 innings, but the Pigs only managed two more hits, both off relievers.

  • Brian Bosusevic (.297) went 1-4 with an RBI.
  • Kelly Dugan (.217)went 1-3 with a HR (2) and 2 K.
  • Tommy Joseph (.133) went 1-3.

Reading (72-52) lost to the New Britain Rock Cats 6-0.  Jake Thompson (3-1, 2.08) tossed six, four-hit innings.  He walked three and struck out seven.  Tom Windle (4.42) was victimized by a Harold Martinez’ throwing error (after he issued a one-out walk) for an unearned run in the seventh.  Edubray Ramos (4.30) combined that classic mix of hittable and wild as he gave up three runs in two-thirds of an inning on a hit batter, walk, and two doubles.  Hoby Milner (3.38) came in to strand a runner and pitch a one-walk ninth.

The Reading offensive juggernaught was held to three hits, although the worked four walks.

  • Nick Williams (.352) went 0-4 with 2 K.
  • J.P. Crawford (.255) went 1-4.
  • Cam Perkins (.251) went 0-4.
  • Brock Stassi (.309) went 1-3 with a double and a walk.
  • Andrew Knapp (.401) went 0-3 with a walk
  • Destin Hood (.286) went 0-4 with 2 K.
  • Harold Martinez (.301) went 1-4.
  • Angelo Mora (.361) DNP
  • Crawford stole his 5th base.
  • Williams picked up an outfield assist.
  • Thompson picked off a base runner.

Clearwater (71-54) lost to the Brevard County Manatees 6-5.  David Whitehead (7-11, 4.73) struggled, giving up six runs in five innings on seven hits and four walks.  He hit a batter, threw four wild pitches, and struck out six.  Cody Forsythe (4.09) struck out three in two shutout innings.  Alberto Tirado (2.86) struck out three and walked one in two shutout innings.

Trailing 3-0, the Threshers got a run back in the second on Malquin Canelo’s RBI double.  After falling behind 6-1, they got a run back on Andrew Pullin’s RBI ground out.  They pulled within one run in the fourth on a throwing error on a sacrifice bunt, Carlos Tocci’s sacrifice fly, and Dylan Cozens’ RBI ground out.  However, they only managed three base runners the rest of the way on three singles.  Two were cut down on a caught stealing and a double play.

  • Jessie Valentin (.226) went 1-3 with a run scored and a walk.
  • Carlos Tocci (.262) went 1-4 with an RBI.
  • Dylan Cozens (.287) went 2-4 with a run scored and RBI.
  • Rhys Hoskins (.306) went 0-4 with 2 K.
  • Andrew Pullin (.252) went 0-4.
  • Aaron Brown (.259) went 1-3 with a run scored.
  • Chace Numata (.274) went 1-3.
  • Cozens stole his 17th base, Valentin was caught stealing.

Lakewood (63-59)  lost to the West Virginia Power 7-4.  All the scoring after the fifth inning. Will Morris (1.59) threw five, four-hit innings.  Jason Zgardowski (3.64) gave up three runs in two innings, but was taken off the hook when the Claws scored four in the eighth.  Calvin Raybirn (5-2, 4.32) blew the save and took the loss when he was charged with all four runs in the bottom of the eighth.  Scott Harris (4.84) didn’t help any, allowing all three inherited runners to score.

The BlueClaws had tied the game in the top of the eighth on Jiandido Tromp’s (7) three-run home run and took the lead on Deivi Grullon’s (6) solo home run.

  • Herlis Rodriguez (.299) went 1-4 with a walk.
  • Drew Stankiewicz (.241) went 1-5.
  • Scott Kingery (.266) went 2-4 with a run scored.
  • Kyle Martin (.276) went 0-4 with 2 K.
  • Damek Tomscha (.272) went 2-4 with a run scored.
  • Cord Sandberg (.258) went 0-4.
  • Jiandido Tromp (.208) went 1-3 with run scored, HR (7), walk, and 3 RBI (37).
  • Deivi Grullon (.201) went 1-4 with a run scored, HR (6), RBI, and 2 K.
  • Stankiewicz (3) and Kingery (7) stole bases.

Williamsport (37-22) beat the Auburn Doubledays 3-1.  Franklyn Kilome (3-2, 2.40) was more like his old self, going six innings.  He gave up one run on eight hits (three of the infield variety), a walk, and struck out three.  He threw 85 pitches, 59 strikes.  Skylar Hunter, Anthony Sequeira, and Robert Tasin combined to throw three, one-hit innings and striking out five.  Tasin notched his 12th save.

The Cutters managed only five hits.  But the bunched four of them, including Mark Laird’s RBI single and Josh Tobias’ two-run double, in their three run third inning.  Their pitcher’s made the runs hold up.  Auburn pitching struck out ten Cutters.

  • Zachary Coppola (.298) DNP
  • Mark Laird (.284) went 2-4 with a run scored and RBI.
  • Josh Tobias (.316) went 1-4 with a double, 2 RBI, and 2 K
  • Brendon Hayden (.319) DNP
  • Jose Pujols (.237) went 0-4 with 3 K..
  • Venn Biter (.275) DNP.
  • Jan Hernandez (.207) went 0-3 with 2 K.
  • Austin Bossart (.350) went 1-3 with a run scored.
  • Bossart threw out a base stealer.


DSL Phillies (39-32) beat the DSL Royals 5-3.  Final game of their season tomorrow.

VSL Phillies (30-40) Season completed.  Finished tied for third with the VSL Cubs in a four team league.

  • Their leading hitter was Enger Jimenez – .307, 36 R, 33 RBI, 15 SB.
  • Jimenez was second on the team with three HR.
  • Lenin Rodriguez led the team with four HR.
  • Sergio Velis (4-2, 1.33) was their best pitcher – 74.2 IP, 50 H, 14 BB, 59 K, 0.86 WHIP.

Here’s the affiliated scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • Philadelphia Phillies recalled RHP Jerad Eickhoff from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • Milwaukee Brewers claimed Cesar Jimenez off waivers from Philadelphia Phillies.
  • RHP John Richy assigned to Clearwater Threshers.
  • Clearwater Threshers placed RHP Jesen Dygestile-Therrien on the temporarily inactive list.

76 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/21/2015

  1. It is almost unbelievable that “C”, a high school graduate, should be hitting around .300 with an OBA around .440. Incredible…has about as many walks as strikeouts. As an added bonus, he has made no errors (yet) in left field. But it’s the incredible OBA that should please the most critical of us!! Great 1st round pick! 4 years to Philly…???

    Can’t wait.

    1. It’s a credit to the Phillies scouting staff that it looks like they’ve drafted 3 straight first round gems. That’s not easy to do.

  2. I don’t mean to belabor this point, but, continuing from a previous conversation:

    Not all 5th starters are created equal. The consensus on this board seems to argue that 5th starters are fungible, that a 5th starter has zero value to the organization as they can be easily replaced.

    And I object to that. A fifth starter who can put up numbers like an ERA of 4.30, a WHIP of 1.30 and 6K/9 has much more value than, let’s say, Jerome Williams. Matching them up against other teams’ bottom rung starters, and a pitcher hitting those benchmarks can win 10 games. To wit, Kendrick 2010-14.

    I admittedly don’t know much about Jerad Eickhoff but everything I’ve read said he profiles as a bottom of the rotation starter. If he pitches as well as Kendrick did as a 5th starter, I see great value in that. He got off to a great start last night, and its fun him seeing him in the rotation. He may never be Nola, but I’ll take 10 wins, a 4.30 ERA, 1.30WHIP and 6K/9 for a fifth starter. Especially over fungible options like Jerome Williams.

    BTW, and I’m not even sure my reasoning, but I’ve always used those benchmarks for a 5th starter. And, purely coincidentally, that are about the averages Kendrick put up from 2010-14. Which is my I value his contribution to the Phillies. A 1 WAR season for a 5th starter is great.

    1. Eickhoff reminded me of David West. Big tall guy. 3.7 WAR in his years as a Phillie. -1.1 for other teams.

    2. You just described Aaron Harang whom we picked off the scrap heap late in FA. The point is those are a dime a dozen. Every system has Kyle Kendrick types. The truest differentiated farm system produces stars that generate significant surplus value.

      1. PLEASE don’t let the facts get in your way.

        AH has an era over 4.3

        AH has a WHIP over 1.3

        AH has K/9 rate under 6k/9

        There’s nothing–nothing!!!!–in his profile that deserves 5th starter consideration, at least pursuant to the benchmarks I’ve laid out.

          1. I say this respectfully, but at his peak AH was infintely better than a 5th stater.

            1) He finished 4th in CY voting, 2007.

            2) Led the league in wins, 2006.

            My god, if any of our 5th starter prospects achieve either of those, god bless them.

            I’d be impressed with a KK-like 10-8, 4.30 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 6K/9 season.

            1. Your changing the argument. There are former good pitchers (like Harang) who now are 5th starters, that are available every year for the minimum get salary. You don’t need a farm system to get 5th starters or middle relievers. You can fill your staff with them every year for league minimum.

            2. AH did have a 23WAR career, not shabby for a 5th…..but unfortunately, he achieved a 16WAR of the 23WAR career mark, for a three year consecutive period and that . was his super-nova . Prior to those three year and post-….he was 5th.

      2. Harang was a 1/2 during his 4 peak years, and cost $5M for a year at age 37. Probably he’s not the comparison you wanted to make.

    3. Jerome Williams isn’t really a 5th starter. He’s like a 6th or 7th starter, which is why he’s spent most of his career in the minor leagues. Also, what kind of ERA constitutes a 5th starter changes over time. In the steroid era, a 4.30 ERA was perfectly solid, but now it’s pretty bad. As others have said, one reason why nobody gets excited about developing 5th starters is because you can find them in free agency. #3 starters or better are much harder to find and cost much more.

      If Eickhoff is a 5th starter long term, that’s a solid outcome and there is some value in that. But if you guaranteed right now that Eickhoff would be locked into a career as a #5 starter and then asked me if I’d rather have him or Adonis Medina, I’m taking Medina.

      1. In a left-handed way, you just reinforced my point: yes, its easy to find another Jerome Willaims. And its entirely harder to find another KK.

        4.30, 1.30, 6k/9, 10 win pitchers don’t grow on trees.

          1. Instead of repeating the same argument. Why don’t you prove it with data. Look at all starters w that era/whip and let us know how they were acquired. Not a huge sample.

        1. Yes they do.

          Plenty of examples of guys signed to minor league deals and have pitched to that kind of production. #5 guys are a dime a dozen.

  3. I gave a listing, of the 2015 draftees, and how well they were hitting. I overlooked one guy. Edgar Cabral a 19 y/o catcher who was drafted in the 11th round. He’s hitting .280/.352/.402/.754 in the GCL. He has 6 Ks and 7 BBs in 82 ABs and 37% CS rate. He’s a J2 guy who is having a nice debut SSS rules apply.

    1. I’ve felt like Cabral has been under the radar since the draft. If he was a high school guy he’d be getting more attention, imo, but since he was a JuCo pick he gets outshined a bit. He’s definitely a guy I’m looking for in the box scores.

  4. encouraging first start by eickoff- alot of strikes and moving quickly out there- will see how the fly ball tendencies play at cbp- obviously caught a break on the laser off the wall and the slow runner trying to score from first.
    by the way, noticed jake diekmann through 11 outings doing better in texas- 11 ip, 5 h, 3bb, 9k.
    and utley and rollins part of getting no-hit.
    im responsible for readings streak ending- gave tix to a co-worker forgetting he’s a curse on the home team- said nick williams was looking pretty bad against the opposing lefty.

  5. I’ve been trying to tell people this for a few weeks – Eickhoff is the sleeper of this deal. He has the stuff to be a solid mid rotation pitcher. I love guys who have fastballs with late upward movement – and that’s what he has. What impressed me most was the slider – that’s the pitch he needs to succeed in the majors.

    1. Slider was better than advertised. If he can develop his change piece into a serviceable pitch, he’ll be more than just a 5. Threw lots of strikes. I’m tired of watching guys like Williams nibble because their stuff stinks. You’re right catch, fastball did have some good late movement.

    2. Yeah, he was definitely the #4 piece in the deal over Asher to me. Scouting reports say that his curveball is his go-to secondary pitch, but he didn’t have command of it last night so he used the slider and it was good. It seemed to get better the more he threw it and I didn’t even know he had a slider until yesterday. He didn’t use his changeup much, but didn’t really have to.

      If everything works out with him, he’s a strike thrower with 2 plus pitches and 2 more average pitches. Like you said, mid-rotation stuff.

      1. Texas drafted Eickhoff in the 15th rd they gave him 150 , 000 to sign. So he was a bonus bady. He looked more then a 5th starter too me . There plenty of time to see what he has .

  6. Cozens appears to be getting ready for his explosion into the top ten prospect world.
    Seems he starts slow each season then gets his engines running hot….even in the Aussie league this past winter.

    1. I was just going to post on Cozens. Quietly putting up a good season. K% is down. Walk rate are acceptable. I would like to see his raw power show up more in games but he just turned 21 and was drafted as a raw 2-sport guy. Those types always take a while to develop. I have seen him play. He has a cannon from right. Might be a 60 arm. Is probably a 40 defense though. So the power has to show in game for him to be a legit MLB prospect. But I like the progress he has shown. Could definitely break out next year.

      1. Reading may see the HR power develop further.
        But agree the 2-sport aspect may have been a factor taking him a little longer…and him being a mere ‘yute’


      2. All I’ve read since he was drafted is that he’ll never stick in the outfield and will end up at 1rst base, yet he keeps playing like he belongs there. I saw him at Lakewood a few times and he is a monster, but moves around pretty good for a guy his size. He now has 17 sb’s too. v1, do you think he can stick out there?

  7. I’m amazed at how often our relievers come in a game and allow all the inherited runners to score. I know it’s the minors but darn, it’s annoying.

    1. By and large, they are relievers in the minors because they aren’t good. No surprise that they can’t get out of jams.

    2. That’s one reason that I say ERA (outside of extremes) is not a meaningful minor league stat. Extremely bad or extremely good ERAs over a large sample size are meaningful IMO. But the delta between 3.25 and 4.0 isn’t as significant in minor leagues as you may think IMO.

  8. I was looking at the DSL guys. Their season is almost over and they have a winning record. There’s not many guys jumping off the stat sheet and saying, bring me stateside. The three youngest pitchers are 17 y/o: Jhon Nunez, Robinson Martinez and Sixto Sanchez (love that name). Nunez has some upside in him. He’s listed at 6′ 155lbs. He pitched 71 innings with 68 hits, 35 ERs, 46 Ks and 33 BBs. Martinez’ listed at 6′ 190 lbs. Sanchez is listed at 5’10” and 160. Martinez’ problem is BBs. He had 30 in 43 IP with only 24 Ks. Sanchez is more efficient with 18 Ks and 6 BBs in 25 IP. If he is 5’10” and if he has stopped growing then I’m not seeing that much of a future stateside. Let’s hope for a growth spurt.

    Youngest hitters are Ricardo Baez (16 until 8/28) and Daniel Brito. Brito looks like the real deal at 6’1″ 155. He hit .273/.388/.349/.737. He had 21 Ks to 35 BBs. He plays SS and looks pretty good on the stat sheet. Ricardo Baez is 6’2″ 195. He’s listed as a SS, like most LA prospects, but he played 1B. 3B and LF (mostly LF). He hit .163/.280/.291/571 with 1 HR. He’s 16 and still trying to grow into that body. We’ll see what happens with him.

    There are some guys who should be given a shot stateside but I’ll save that for another day.

    1. Sixto Sanchez is the guy who caught my eye the most on that team, outside of the big bonus guys. He turned 17 less than a month ago, so there’s probably hope that he gets to be taller than 5’10”. Not a lot of 16 year olds pitch as much as he did, and he was effective while doing it. Excellent K/BB ratio for a pitcher his age, even in a small sample.

      1. Asher should be on the 40….but my guess it will be after September 30th and naturally before November 20th for the Rule 5 obligatory 40 selection date.
        Maybe Ruben will decide to put him on after Sept 1st……there seems to be plenty to let go off the 40, but will he do that?

    1. I don’t understand the push to have Biddle called up. Do you really think he is ready? Do you really think he will perform well? He is a mess right now in AAA. Calling him up and watching him get crushed will destroy any confidence he has left.

      1. Ready—yes based on experience, no for proficiency to date…turns 24 in a few months…lets get it on..
        Performance….do not care…want him to be tested…push him to the limit.
        Will get crushed?….we do not know that….adrenaline may help his first outing, after that…could be David Buchanan
        Confidence……’no one should get trophies for participation’. Harrison…..he is a man….take it like a man….confidence angle can be overrated sometimes

  9. Tromp is trying to save his season, and career, with an impressive late season run. I really like seeng Medina do well in a big game.
    Name to remember – Cole Morgan. 18-0! Way to go Pennsylvania kids!!

  10. A relief P getting little notice and doing a real nice job is WMPT Robert Tasin. ERA of 2.35 and saved 12 games. 23IP with 20K/6 BB and allowed only 1 HR. Mitch Rupert tweeted that Tasin is moving up the all-time NYP list for saves.

    Stephen Shackleford at REA is having a great season too. 4-1 with ERA 2.40 and opp BA .196. Saved 28 of 30 opportunities. I admitted I know very little about him. Anyone have thoughts. He is 26yo.

    Quietly Dylan Cozens is approaching .290 BA for the year.

  11. I was impressed with Eickhoff last night. His fastball sat around 91-92 mostly but he hit 93 several times and even touched 94 a time or two. I am a little concerned about all the fly ball outs, but for the most part they weren’t hitting the ball hard off him. He was able to get a lot of pop ups and started punching out some batters once he started using more of his off speed stuff later in the game. His location was a little shaky at times. He missed up with his fastball and left a few hanging breaking balls that he didn’t get on top of. I do really liked his approach, demeanor, and pace on the mound. He looks like he is capable of being a solid #3-4 starter who can give you quality innings. I was a little surprised they pulled him so early considering his low pitch count and the fact that it seems like the bullpen has been used a lot lately. I would’ve liked to see him go one more inning last night. He may just be on an innings limit for the year, but he cruised right along for the most part and probably could’ve managed one more inning.

    1. I thought it was smart to take him out when they did. First, he probably is on an innings limit and they want him to pitch through the end of the year. Second, do they really “need” him to go longer? Of course not. Third, he leaves the outing a complete success and with less stress on his arm so he can go out the next time and be well rested. i think it’s a smart play.

      1. Very good points. I was thinking they probably did it as a confidence thing like you mentioned. At least we were able to see that he has the potential to be an innings eater down the road. 75 pitches through 6ip is right around where you like to see guys. I’m sure they were thrilled with 6 quality innings since it hasn’t be uncommon for Williams, Harang, and Buchanan to struggle through 4 or 5.

          1. Yeah exactly. This is why I was surprised Eickhoff didn’t pitch into the 7th. Williams couldn’t finish 2 innings on Thursday so the bullpen had to eat a lot of innings. They added three more innings last night and will probably pitch a lot today and tomorrow with Harang and Nola going today and Sunday respectively (Harang because of performance and Nola because of innings limit).

  12. Since the theme of this site has consistently been that of prospects, I think it is important to note that an obvious mistake that has long marked the Phil’s FO is that it seems to get down on certain prospects while still in the minors for no logical reason, normally due to their age. They held Ryan Howard back for longer than they should have before realizing that they had to get rid of Thome. Probably lost a couple of very productive years from Howard. The same thing happened to Ruf who simply has never been given an adequate chance in the majors (at first base, not in the OF). The FO seems to give up on people, classifying them as non-prospects before giving them a real chance. A good case in point at the moment is Brock Stassi. He is a bit older than the others and a slow developer but he can certainly hit (less Ks than BB). The Phil’s have apparently decided that Joseph is a better prospect at first base. Where will Stassi go after this year? He will be blocked at first by Joseph and Hoskins is coming up right behind him. A closer analysis may well reveal that the team has lost a number of good (not great) players as a result of this FO attitude over the years. It does not really matter if a player reaches the majors at 25 or 26 years of age instead of 22 or 23, as long as he is able to contribute significantly. I would predict that Stassi will be a major league first baseman, but not for the Phils.

      1. I think Ed Wade blocked Utley. I believe Bowa wanted to move Polanco to 3rd and play Utley at 2nd, and send useless David Bell to the bench. Wade ordered Bowa to keep playing Bell because of some stupid promise he made to that cheating bum, thus forcing the 2 better players to share time. Anybody else remember it that way?

        1. Maybe it was the Ownership who was afraid to admit they made a mistake in signing David Bell and would not let Larry Bowa bench him.

    1. Ruf has had a chance. He’s exactly what his Scouting report and age-level statistics predicted he’d be. He’s a career 1 WAR player.

    2. Morris…Howard started at Reading in his age24 season…unless the Phillies had double-jumped him prior to AA level…he would still have been a mid-20s guy to the show.
      “……..probably lost a couple of very productive years from Howard”…IMO, .it may have been only a year of lost productivity.

        1. Perhaps it may have. But Thome’s first half and Howard’s second half of the season did combine for close to 100 RBIs and 30 HRs. So you never know.

    3. I’m sorry but I don’t think Stassi will be a major leaguer other than possibly a cup of coffee. I hope I’m wrong. He’ll probably be playing LF next year

    4. No one in the current Phils front office had anything to do with Howard’s call up. And he was blocked by an All-star with a massive contract.

      Stassi is the definition of org filler. He is 26 in AA. He is a 1b only with little power. He is not a solution to what ails the Phils.

    5. I don’t really buy your points. Arguably, Howard could have been brought up earlier. Arguably, he could have used his time in the minors learning to hit left hand pitching better and use the entire field. I find the point about ruining Ruf tiresome and unsupported. Ruf is at best a platoon first baseman against left hand pitching. There is no single skill that he has flashed at the major league level that stands out. His problem is not lack of playing time but inability to adjust to the adjustments thrown his way, particularly against right hand pitching. As for Stassi, it’s hard to make the case that if he performs well in AAA, he won’t get a chance. Howard is nearing the end of the line. There is no reason to believe Ruf or Joseph will block anybody. Whatever Hoskins turns into, he would have to have extraordinary development to be in a position to leave a mark in 2016.

    6. I really don’t understand the extreme love for Stassi. It seems every year an over-aged college guy at Reading puts up a good OPS at 1B or corner OF and gets a following of fans thinking he’s a future MLB star. We’ve had Rizzotti, Susdorf, Ruf, and now Stassi. Stassi’s numbers pale compared to those of his predecessors. Rizzotti put up an OPS of over 1.000 and he was only 24 at the time. Never could hit AAA pitching and was only in baseball two more seasons. Ruf also put up an OPS over 1.000 at Reading, but at age 25. Never has hit AAA pitching all that well, but has carved out a marginal MLB career. Susdorf was less the power guy, but put up a .902 OPS at Reading at age 25. He featured a .406 OBP. He was mediocre in three more years, largely at AAA, but had one hit in 7 MLB AB. At age 25 and OPS of only 861, Stassi is the least impressive of these guys. This is also a repeat year at Reading for him.

      Joseph is only 23, but I think he is close to finished. Stassi has a chance to beat him out for the Allentown 1B job in 2016.

      Howard did not lose 2 years to Thome. Howard really only broke out when he hit Reading at age 24. He put up a 1.033 OPS. That’s really what you need to see from a 1B serious prospect at Reading. Howard got 39 AB in Philly that year and spent half of his age 24 season in Philadelphia. He lost about half a season in the majors due to Thome. Utley likely lost a full year, because of the glorious David Bell. It should be noted that Howard had over .800 OPS in each of his minor league stops before coming to Philly. Stassi has done pretty much nothing prior to this season. There is a huge difference in minor league performance between Stassi and Howard. They shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence.

      1. And Stassi hasn’t been slow-walked through the minors by Phillies’ management holding him back. He has been slow-walked because of his own performance. Age 21 at Williamsport — he stank with a .524 OPS. Age 22 at CLW and Williamsport, and Lakewood– he stank again with .555 and .467 and OPS and then mediocre with .718 OOS at Lakewood. Note that he was challenged with the normal pace for a college junior going through our farm and flunked all his tests so far. So, at age 23, it’s back to CLW and he manages only a .746 OPS. He is still promoted to Reading at age 24 and puts up a .629 OPS — truly awful for a Reading 1B. He’s given another chance at Reading this season at age 25, he certainly hadn’t earned a promotion to Allentown, and now has an .860 OPS — that’s okay, but not really all that good for a 25-year old, 1B-only player. It’s org-filler or a half-step above. Has he earned an in-season promotion. I don’t think so. Altherr was promoted with about the same OPS, but he’s a CF/corner OF and also offers speed and plus defense. Dugan was promoted with a significantly lower OPS. He also is a plus-fielding OF with some speed and a really plus OBP.

        It’s clear that the Phillies regard Stassi as an org player rather than a serious prospect. It’s far from clear that they are wrong in this assessment.

        1. Allentown,
          I think you made all of the points about why there is this sudden “Stassi luv”. He’s basically stunk up the place at every level, yet he kept getting promoted. This past off season, he changes his trigger and swing after working with a well respected hitting instructor and like magic he’s now driving the ball and hitting some home runs. Could he have suddenly found things at 25? Not likely, but it’s a nice story and people like these feel good stories. My guess is next year he’ll fade off into oblivion like Rizzotti and the others. I agree with your points about the promotions too. He should not be at LV now.

  13. I think that Ruf is not a legitimate prospect, and they really are not wrong on him. It does seem that they get down on certain players, but I don’t, off the top of my head, know who went on to have a decent Major League career with another organization that they were wrong on. There are a couple of AAA players that came through, but that is different than evaluating your own prospects as they develop, so I am not counting Brandon Moss or Jason Grilli

    1. Chase, did you read the article at all? The article was talking about the perception of the GM’s in the off season performance when everyone was praising AJ Preller of San Diego and criticizing Amaro for not doing enough. Shaiklin’s article says:
      But we wanted to offer a few kind words for Ruben Amaro, who might as well be tagged the “pincushion GM.” Amaro has presided over the decline and fall of the Philadelphia Phillies, from a franchise-record 102 victories in 2011 to a projected 64 this year, on pace for the team’s poorest record since 1972. He sacrificed prospects and lavished contracts on veterans in an effort to keep the good times going, and because of it he soon could lose his job.

      Once Amaro acknowledged the need to rebuild, he endured widespread industry criticism for holding onto his veterans too long, and for asking too much in trade. He gambled that his prime trade chip, Cole Hamels, would stay healthy.

      Amaro won. He held onto Hamels until the Texas Rangers agreed to send three of their top five prospects plus pitcher Jerad Eickhoff, who made his major league debut Friday and threw six scoreless innings.

      After the Dodgers sent two minor league players to Philadelphia for Chase Utley last week, we asked Baseball America editor John Manuel for an updated list of the Phillies’ top 20 prospects. Amaro acquired 10 via trade for Hamels, Utley, Revere, Marlon Byrd, Jonathan Papelbon and Jimmy Rollins.

      All of a sudden, the Phillies’ farm has gone from barren to bountiful. Add those prospects to the Phillies’ young core of third baseman Mikael Franco, shortstop J.P. Crawford and pitcher Aaron Nola, and to what could be the first overall pick in next year’s draft, and Amaro could leave the next GM in position to emerge as a rock star.

      In retrospect, it seems that Amaro had the much better year than Preller. You should really read the article before you post something.

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