Box Score Recap – 8/13/2015

Clearwater (67-51) beat the Tampa Yankees 6-4.  Mark Leiter (2.12) had an uneven start.  He threw 62 strikes among his 84 pitches (73.8%).  He pitched six innings.  He walked none and struck out seven.  But he gave up nine hits, some of them hit very hard.  He uncorked a couple wild pitches.  He gave up four runs.  But the Threshers outscored his mistakes and the bullpen kept the Yankees off the board down the stretch.  Jesen Therrien (5-0, 1.16) picked up the win and Miguel Nunez (3.18) earned his 5th save.

Leiter’s first mistake came on an off speed pitch he left over the plate that resulted in a two-run homer run that gave the Yankees a two run lead in the second inning.  The offense rallied to take the lead on an RBI single by Willians Astudillo, a sac fly by Mitch Walding, and an RBI single by Derek Campbell.

Leiter had pitched effectively in the third through fifth innings and started the sixth with the lead and a pitch count of 69.  He gave up a hard drive into the right center field gap that the batter dogged into a single.  After a strike out, the Yankees got back-to-back RBI doubles into the gaps to re-take the lead.

Aaron Brown knotted the score in the bottom of the inning with a blast over the right field wall.  The Threshers scored in each of the next two innings without a hit playing into the scoring.  In the seventh, Malquin Canelo walked and reached third on an errant throw to second when he was picked off first.  He scored on a Carlos Tocci’s ground out.  In the eighth, they loaded the bases on a walk, fielding error, and hit batter.  Campbell’s sac fly plated their final run.

  • Malquin Canelo (.238) went 0-3 with a run scored and 2 walks.
  • Carlos Tocci (.272) went 0-5 with an RBI.
  • Andrew Pullin (.256) went 2-3 with a run scored, triple, and walk.
  • Rhys Hoskins (.310) went 0-3 with a walk.
  • Dylan Cozens (.275) DNP.
  • League leading hitter, Willians Astudillo (.330) went 2-3 with a run scored and a walk. He was removed for a pinch runner, and the runner scored, too.
  • Chace Numata (.266) went 1-4 with an RBI.
  • Aaron Brown (.246) went 2-4 with a HR (9) and RBI.
  • Derek Campbell went 1-3 with 2 RBI.
  • Canelo (6) and Mitch Walding (3) stole bases.
  • Leiter picked a runner off first.
  • Pullin had a 9-pitch at bat. He was more patient than I’ve seen him this season.
  • Astudillo walked on a 3-2 pitch. He started to first base on the 3-1 pitch, meaning he took rather than swung at a close pitch.  That’s big news.

Lehigh Valley (53-66) lost to the Syracuse Chiefs 11-2.  Jesse Biddle (2-3, 5.91) threw two wild pitches, hit a batter, issued three walks, and gave up nine hits in 3.2 innings.  Chris Leroux was just as bad in his two innings.  Chase d’Arnaud, Tyler Pastornicky, and Brian Bogusevic had two hits each.

Reading (67-50) beat the Harrisburg Senators 3-0.  Nick Pivetta (1-3, 6.16) opened the game by striking out the side.  Mike Drago reported that he “touched 99 once and 97 several times in the inning.  Showed wicked curve, too”.  Pivetta went on to shutout the Senators for 5.2 innings on three hits.  He walked one and struck out eight.  Ryan O’Sullivan, Tom Windle, and Stephen Shackleford no-hit the Senators the rest of the way.  Shack picked up his 26th save.  Pivetta was facing his former team for the first time since he was dealt to the Phillies in the Papelbon trade.

The Phils scored in the fourth on an RBI single by Destin Hood, in the seventh on an RBI single by Nick Williams, and on a solo home run by Andrew Knapp in the eighth.

  • Nick Williams (.415) 2-4 with an RBI.
  • J.P. Crawford (.253) went 0-3 with a walk.
  • Cam Perkins (.264) went 1-4.
  • Brock Stassi (.308) went 1-4 with a run scored.
  • Andrew Knapp (.411) went 2-3 with a run scored, HR (7), RBI and walk.
  • Destin Hood (.295) went 1-4 with an RBI.
  • Harold Martinez (.308) went 0-3 with a walk.

Lakewood (60-54)  No game scheduled.

  • Herlis Rodriguez (.305)
  • Scott Kingery (.265)
  • Kyle Martin (.297)
  • Cord Sandberg (.257)
  • Deivi Grullon (.199)
  • Hits: Rodriguez – 106, Sandberg – 105
  • Doubles: Tomscha – 25, Sandberg – 20
  • Triples: Rodriguez – 4
  • HR: Rodriguez – 10, Tromp – 6
  • RBI: Rodriguez – 55, Sandberg – 43
  • Walks: Tomscha – 32
  • Strike outs: Tromp – 101, Grullon – 82
  • Stolen bases: Rodriguez – 14/16
  • Wins: Casimiro and Garcia – 7
  • ERA: DeNato – 1.41
  • Strike outs: Viza – 81
  • Saves: Hockenberry – 13, DeNato – 8

Williamsport (34-19) beat the Staten Island Yankees 4-1.  Tyler Gilbert (3-2, 2.53) contributed five solid innings.  He allowed two runs on five hits.  He walked one and struck out seven.  Kenny Koplove (5.40) struck out two in one inning of relief.  Anthony Sequeira (2.16) tossed a shutout inning.  Sutter McLoughlin (5.00) gave up a meaningless run over the last two innings.

The Cutters scored four runs in the third on two-run singles by Venn Biter and Josh Tobias.  They put up another crooked number when they scored three runs in the seventh on Jesus Posso’s RBI single, Jan Hernandez’ ground out, and Austin Bossart’s RBI single.

  • Zachary Coppola (.302) DNP.
  • Lead off hitter, Carlos Duran went 1-3 with a run scored and 2 walks.
  • Venn Biter (.280) went 2-5 with 2 runs scored and 2 RBI.
  • Josh Tobias (.315) went 3-5 with a run scored, double, and 2 RBI.
  • Jose Pujols (.250) went 0-5.
  • Jesus Posso (.263) went 1-5 with a run scored and an RBI.
  • Jan Hernandez (.215) went 0-2 with an RBI and 2 walks.
  • Austin Bossart (.363) went 2-4 with an RBI.
  • Dylan Bosheers went 2-4 with a run scored.

GCL Phillies (28-15) lost to the GCL Pirates 7-3.  The Phillies fell behind by four runs after three innings, rallied to within one run, and watched the Pirates pull away again.  The Phillies remain in first place but division tightened when the Blue Jays and Pirates each picked up a game.

  1. GCL Phillies        28   15   .667     —     —
  2. GCL Blue Jays   27   15   .634     0.5   18
  3. GCL Pirates        26   17   .595     2.0   16
  4. GCL Yankees1   14   25   .368   12.0     5

Edgar Garcia (1-2, 3.38) struck four and walked none in three innings, but gave up four runs on eight hits.  The bullpen and defense gave up three more runs until Tanner Kiest came on to pitch a perfect ninth inning.

The Phillies scored all three of their runs in the third inning on Jonathan Arauz’ RBI single, “C” Randolph’s RBI triple to center, and Tommy Joseph’s RBI single.  The Phillies could only manage a walk and three singles over the next six innings, and never more than one base runner in an inning.

  • Jonathan Arauz (.274) went 1-4 with a run scored and RBI.
  • “C” Randolph (.289) went 1-3 with a run scored, triple, walk, and RBI.
  • Tommy Joseph went 2-4 with an RBI.
  • Luis Encarnacion (.295) went 1-4.
  • Luke Williams (.289) went 1-3 with a walk.
  • Yunior Reyes went 0-1 with a HBP, RBI, and 2 walks.
  • Randolph stole his 4th base (in 5 attempts), Williams his 7th (in 8).

DSL Phillies (35-29) beat the DSL Athletics 7-3.

The Phillies have eight games remaining.  They have been eliminated from the Wild Card.  They are in a three-way tie for second, three games behind the first place team.

VSL Phillies (30-40) Season completed.  Finished tied for third with the VSL Cubs in a four team league.  Their leading hitter was Enger Jimenez – .307, 36 R, 33 RBI, 15 SB.  He was second on the team with three HR.  Lenin Rodriguez led the team with four.  Sergio Velis was probably their best pitcher – 4-2, 1.33, 74.2 IP, 50 H, 14 BB, 59 K, 0.86 WHIP.

Here’s the affiliated scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • MLB Trade Rumors repeated a report that the Giants made an offer for Utley.  The Zolecki report hints there are other offers but doesn’t really say anything.
  • Reading Fightin Phils placed RHP Ben Lively on the 7-day disabled list.
  • Reading Fightin Phils activated LHP Hoby Milner from the temporarily inactive list.
  • DSL Phillies released RHP Yonathan Gonzalez.
  • P Yeral Gomez assigned to DSL Phillies.
  • DSL Phillies placed RHP Argenis Castro on the restricted list.

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106 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/13/2015

    1. The easy answer is, when they find him a position. The guy can hit the ball very well but he’s not quite a catcher, he’s not quite a first baseman, he’s played 3rd but not too well and corner OF’er doesn’t quite fit. He could be an effective DH but he doesn’t have much power so that limits him too. When I was a kid there was always a kid who didn’t really have a position, we said he would play left out. Cruel but this might be Astudillo’s fate. I hope not because I love his bat.

    2. Doesn’t walk, has no power and no position. His hit tool is excellent no doubt but there’s more to being a prospect than one tool.

  1. Jesen Therrien is putting together an incredible year – what do people know about him. Does he throw hard, is he a legit bullpen prospect?

    1. nyphil,

      I’ve seen him pitch several times this year. His pitches are sharp. He keeps his fastball down. Usually low 90s. Can hit 94, if I recall correctly.

      I like Therrien.

  2. Altherr has started his August swoon but there is something different this year. He hasn’t K’ed in 5 straight games and he has 7 BBs to 6 Ks in this last 10 games. He has 9 BBs to 7 Ks in August so his OBP is better than in July.

    Pivetta looks like a guy whose success or failure is pinned to his BBs. When he’s under control, he’s unhittable but when he’s missing spots and has to get creative to get outs, he becomes a whack-a-mole.

    Venn Biter was really hot in June (.389/.450/.528) and then flamed out in July (.193/.269/.253). He had some injury time at the end of July and into early August and now he’s hot again (.417/.444/.542) in August. Round and round he goes and where he stops no one knows. Venn, work on consistency and making adjustments and you’ll be fine.

      1. steve…….Knapp…9 of his last 10 games multi-hit games with 5 HRs…by every conceivable metric formula, purely unsustainable …I predict he will finish 30/35 points off current BA/OBP and only bat .375/.410….maybe a top 15 org ranking somewhere. 😉

        1. Romus pls stop with the metrics in minor league ball. You cant just look at numbers in the minors. The range of a lot of fielders is not good. You don’t face major league type pitchers every day. The umpires are really inconsistent. Pls don’t fall in the saber trap for minor leaguers. I like for you to see knapp play start going to reading games. tell us what you physical see. it would help.

          1. rocco…I was being facetious, a little tongue-in-cheek. Understand what you are saying, but metrics do play a significant role as to projectable outcomes.
            But you know….it is those ‘outliers’ that really baffle and puzzle metric guys…….they are like the old Western ‘outlaw’ to them. The Brandon Moss’, Grillis, Vogelsongs et al…no way they should be where they are.
            So when a player does that, he is labeled the ‘outlier’.

    1. I believe “C” has stolen a base 3 straight games after rarely running all year. If he can add that to his resume with his great approach- wow! Realistically, I don’t see him as a base-stealer in MLB, but who knows?

        1. rocco…..is going out to the grocery store this morning looking for crow to cook for dinner tonight..

          1. yes so far I am dead wrong. But it gcl for gods stake. Always remember. dom brown. Castellanos. boujous. and others who looked like by there metrics to be superstars. Pls wait .

  3. That Harrisburg gun must be hot. When I saw Pivetta two weeks ago, I don’t think he broke 94. Regardless, great to see a good outing from him.

    1. I saw the archive tape of the game and Pivetta was bringing it. He threw high fastballs by a bunch of hitters – which is the number 1 thing I want to see from a righty starter. It absolutely appeared, from the tape, that he was sitting in the mid 90s and touching the mid to high 90s. Last night he flashed a potentially elite arm.

      1. The Phillies have a collection of arms with potential…Eflin, Thompson, Pivetta, Ascher and Eickhoff.
        http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/142942992/phillies-have-bolstered-pitching-depth

        If Ruben decides to get some position [layers for Chase….then I hope he directs his attention to the Cubies vs the Giants……two names that Hoyer/Epstein could let go are right-handed bats and OFers Eloy Jiminez or Alberto Almora… not sure they are untouchables in their system like the Sox deem most of their prospects.

        1. I’d love to get those guys, but I’m not so sure the Cubs give up Almora for a rental. Probably looking at a player or two from Low A having a nice year that was either drafted recently or signed out of LA in the last 3-4 years. Obviously guys young for the league.

  4. Pivetta threw 108 pitches to only 21 batters faced through 5.2 innings. That’s a lot of pitches for 3 hits and 1 walk. He has to figure out how to get out of some innings in less than 15 pitches.

      1. He had 40 pitches through 2 innings and 76 through 4 innings, then took 18 pitches to get 2 outs in the 6th.

        1. Saw where he had 6 strike outs and a walk in the first three innings, so there could have been some deep counts there with those 7 batters.
          Like you said, he needs to find a way of getting through an inning with less then 15 pitchers.

  5. Jesse ” nuke laloosh” Biddle at it again..

    Looks like pivetta was a little jacked up to face his old team..

    Getting excited about Nick Williams…

    Tyler Gilbert is very interesting, if he can add 1-2 mph he will be good, his 1bb/9k per game avg is nice

  6. They said Knapp could hit, when he was drafted. I guess he decided to prove it, all at one time. Batting .605 with a .500 ISO for the month of August.

    1. he is starting to produce ridiculous offensive numbers. Its unsustainable but I think he is proving his point. Don’t question his hit tool.

  7. Is Biddle still in the Top 20 of our prospects? I really wish he could get it together, but I am losing hope. It is not like he earned the promotion to AAA.

    1. Biddle has his ‘A’ pitches and his ‘B’ pitches.
      From what has been reported earlier on here…he is directed at times to just pitch his “B’ pitches….two-seamer and curveball, I think what was reported ..to start games for a few innings to get work in on his ‘weaker’ pitches.
      So, unless we are told what he is directed to pitch…hard to judge his numbers.

  8. The Hamels trade was the best thing that ever happened to this site. (besides great work by Gregg and jim).

    for someone who doesn’t get the nuances- what led to the failure of Michael Taylor and relative failure of Dom Brown? Any lessons we can learn from them in evaluating prospects or is just some adjust to the majors, some don’t?

    1. Dom Brown was a 20th round pick that made it to the Major leagues and made an All-star game. I wouldn’t call him a failure.

      1. Correct; he’s a disappointment, but not a failure. Larry Greene is a failure (not as a human being, just as a ball player – I’m not judging people here).

        1. I think Dom Brown has been a “disappointment” because he hasn’t been able to make the necessary adjustments to sustain success since he became a major Leaguer. But there is no “lesson” to learn from his case, as fan who follows prospects. He was a prospect who played well relative to his age-to-level, he showed patience and he hit for power relative to his position. He, in turn, became an MLB All-star, as his top prospect status and numbers predicted.
          There was no predictor that told anybody he would not make adjustments as a major Leaguer.

    2. I think the lesson with the Michael Taylor’s, Cody Asche’s and Darin Ruf’s, is that you can’t “boxscore scout” every minor leaguer with a .300 batting avg and project them to be Major league All-stars. There was a reason real scouts didn’t have faith they were anything special.

      1. This.

        Box score lines only tell you so much. You have to look beyond the numbers to understand why something is happening.

        Two great examples right now are Biddle not using all four pitches every start and Nola’s last start in AAA where he was rocked because he only used two pitches.

        Sometimes the coaches are working on a specific pitch with the pitcher and tell him to only throw pitches B and C while not throwing pitch A.

      2. Pre-2010, Michael Taylor was the 29th ranked prospect by BA and 20th by BP, and was probably the 2nd most important piece in the Halladay trade. He was more of a Nick Williams than he was a Cody Asche. (Not saying Williams will end up similarly, just in terms of prospect status).

        I don’t know exactly what happened with Taylor. I suspect a lack of adjustments was a key part of his failure. Just looking at his numbers, it looks like he regressed after the trade, but who knows.

        1. I’ve learned a lot of fascinating lessons following this site, but perhaps the most important lesson is the kind I learned from following guys like Michael Taylor and that is that, especially with position players, age matters A LOT. J.P. Crawford is not a great prospect just because you watch him on the field and he shows great skills. He’s a great prospect because in addition to showing skills, he’s doing it as a 20 year old in AA. Taylor was a really good, relatively older AA prospect, but he just had no futher projection because he was “aged out” by the time he hit AAA. That’s why, especially with college prospects, I remain somewhere between skeptical and unconvinced until I see them hit in AAA. Now, hitting wellin AAA doesn’t guarantee success in the majors, but it makes it a heck of lot more likely.

          1. Yeah, I think his age was definitely a factor, but he also wasn’t really “that” old. The Phillies had him on the Hoskins plan, where he started his first full year in Lakewood and finished it in Clearwater, even though he raked at both levels. He reached AAA during his age 23 season and hit well in 30 games.

            I dunno. I really liked Taylor when he was in the Phillies system and he never got an extended look in the majors. The A’s must have really soured on him in 2010, which is understandable given his struggles in the PCL. There are any number of reasons why things didn’t work out, and it was probably a combination of things.

        2. Michael Taylor is more Cody Asche than Nik Williams because they were 22 year olds in High A, that we went berserk over on this site. Nik Williams made it to AA as a 20 year old. Getting excited about mid- low round drafted college hitters before they get to AA is waste of time.

    3. The Phillies did not do Dom Brown any favours. We brought him up in the middle of a pennant race and didn’t stick with him when he struggled.

      He fractured the hamate bone in his hand.

      Phillies sent him back down and asked him to re-tool his swing.

      In the end, he still made the bigs for 477 games which is still a win. Rare to get any production from a player drafted in the 20th round.

      1. Agree with this. Brown’s transition to the majors was handled poorly by the Phillies. Who knows how much difference this made in Brown’s performance, but it sure didn’t help matters.

    4. I recall a lot of discussion when Taylor was still in the system that he had a hole in his swing that would be exposed by upper level pitching. (Something related to coaching he received at Stanford). I don’t think there were any injuries in his case, though I could be wrong.

    1. But then you take a guy like Joes Bautista….approx 1700 PAs in the minors with a slash of .285 /.376 / .846 …52 HRs….BBrate 11% and Krate of 20%….not bad , not great
      …….and he has fared pretty well after adjusting to MLB pitching after reaching 27-years old.

        1. It’s still more than a non chance. Bautista is the modern day precedent for a situation like Brown’s. Is it likely? Not remotely, but it exists as a possibility.

  9. Romus it just like using sabermetrics. You will sometimes find a player who you don’t project and he makes it. Scouts can be wrong. saber can be wrong. On here only I am wrong. but that’s life

    1. LOL…….rocco that is the beauty of Sabering from what I have learned…..you have a stat to prove you are right in all instances….never can be wrong….as they said in Roddy Piper’s movie ‘They Live’…..join us and see what you are missing! ;).
      .

      1. Ive been here on and off for years so maybe i missed the explanation, but what’s the deal with you two? Are you brothers or something? Its like there is an unspoken but understood rivalry. I really don’t mean this as a dig or inflammatory in any way, but I’ve been wondering for a long time.

        Also, scouting and numbers can never tell the whole story. Everyone has a personality that is affected in different ways by different things. Some people get scared when they are close to the top, some people have other demons. Everything isn’t a crap shoot, but there are always other variables than the 5 tools.

            1. stop I need to go to my dictionary to find out what a bromance is. it will take some time. I Have to library and they are at lunch.

  10. guess i missed what happened to Lively?

    don’t usually pay much attention to minor league playoffs but with the group of players they have in Reading, i might have to go check it out this year. first place with a couple weeks to go.

    1. Shoulder strain for Lively. Not sure on the severity yet but shoulder problems are always scary.

      Another note on Lively, in the article that Romus linked to above, Joe Jordan referred to his season in the past tense. So reading between the lines, his season may be over. Jordan also said that he pitches with his fastball too much and needs to work on his secondary pitches.

      1. Good pick-up…did not see that….hope his shoulder ailment is not serious……would mean another prospect suffers to it. With Morgan, Pettibone and Watson I thought the Phillies had more then their share of top arm casualties to shoulder injuries.

        1. Most guys either never recover from shoulder surgery or, if they do, they are a shadow of their former selves. Morgan has lost probably 3-4 MPH on his fb since the surgery – although it’s possible that he may recover more velocity. That said, this difference in velocity is the difference between him projecting as a solid mid-rotation pitcher and a guy who is the definition of a 5.

          1. Yes…a sad indictment on pitchers with shoulder injuries/surgeries.
            Lively will probably be shut-down for the remainder of the season.

  11. Knapp #2 on BA hot sheet this week … love the “flush with catching prospects” line!

    . Andrew Knapp, c, Phillies

    Team: Double-A Reading (Eastern)
    Age: 23
    Why He’s Here: .579/.652/1.158 (11-for-19), 8 R, 1 3B, 3 HR, 8 RBIs, 4 BB, 2 SO

    Even with all the new additions to his team, Knapp has been its top performer. That’s true not only for this week, but for the month of August. The 2013 second-rounder out of California is hitting .610/.660/1.146 in 47 plate appearances this month. He’s riding an 11-game hitting streak, and nine of those games included multiple hits. With Knapp, Jorge Alfaro and Deivi Grullon in tow, the Phillies are suddenly flush with catching prospects.

      1. Next season is his last year under the contract….3 yrs/$12M .
        I am willing to wager he will be healthier and will be pitching next season.

  12. Tommy Joseph assigned to LHV to play first base I assume..
    Hoping he gets it together at the plate.

  13. Man pickett really went into a slump. He is doing nothing three stikeouts today. Love for jim to tell us what he sees.

    1. rocco…..still 18-years old…two months earlier at graduation parties with friends, .HS kid away from home for the first time, missing girlfriend, eating fast-foods and pizza, roommate doesn’t wash his clothes, and he doesn’t speak Spanish well…so half the team he cannot talk with.
      And you want to know what Jim sees?

      1. Romus I don’t care about his personal life. I Want to know about his swing and how he looks. can he field run those types of things.

        1. I haven’t seen him play since his collision. I heard around the complex that he was recovering from concussion symptoms. I haven’t verified that through a team source, so I haven’t reported it. But that might explain his recent troubles.

      2. I learned in past years that the senior LA players haze the younger ones. It looks like it has extended out to include the American players this year. I have witnessed the Latin players making fun of Pickett as he walks around the Complex. I’ve seen them try to bully (unsuccessfully) one of the American pitchers. A player’s personal life may not be of interest, but I think it can have a big effect on the player, and help explain his performance.

        1. I read a book written by a ivy league pitcher about his time in the minor legends. When he arrived he meet a guy who was to take him and other draft choices to baseball complex . He meet a guy named Billy Jenks aka White Sox closer . He said he was a loud mouth southern boy who showed you where his dad burn his arms with Cigar butts. Hea real nice makes you wonder why some of these players are mess up. Another chapter he said all the LA kids would Stand outside the shower and towel whip anyone Coming out. So yea some of it the problems are not baseball related .

    1. Very interesting….one thing about baseball…the stats seem less subjective. Plus it is a team sport….but players bat alone against one pitcher, and field their positrons for the most alone. Team sport played on individual standards. The other three pro sports require quite a bit of team interaction and dependency for a specific player to produce at his highest capacity. Thus metrics can be subjective to some degree more then in baseball. Maybe I am wrong but seems that way.

      1. To a point, but looking at hitting. I think the top 4 are feeding off one another more than any one is doing exceptional. The more Herrera and Hernandez get on base the more opportunities for Franco and Howard.

        At the beginning of the year it was the opposite with horrible hitters at the top not giving guys like Howard more opportunities.

        I think there is something to the individual side but do we account for the actions of the guys around a hitter and how they can influence the pitches he sees?

  14. Lots of interesting Phillies tidbits in BA’s Hot Sheet chat w/Badler: Kilome could be in conversation for top 100, Badler loves Randolph’s bat, not worried at all about Crawford. The following was even more interesting:

    Brian (Santa Barbara): When will Eddy Julio Martinez sign? What about Vladimir Gutierrez? Predictions on where they will sign?
    Ben Badler: The best bets are the teams that are already over their bonus pools, since they have no further opportunity costs to loose since they’re already subject to signing restrictions, so it’s strictly a financial decision for the Dodgers, Cubs, Giants, Royals and Blue Jays (with the Blue Jays only facing one year of penalties right now). That said, Gutierrez is the type of player a team could consider breaking its pool just to get him, and if I’m a team like the Phillies, I’d be looking at trying to lock in multiple pool-eligible Cuban players right now like Gutierrez and Randy Arozarena, swallow the penalties, and trust that a strong international scouting group can find the $300K and under talent for the next two years to bring in more Maikel Francos and Franklin Kilomes.

    I don’t know if I like the idea of incurring a penalty this year when there will be far shorter lines at the store next year. Any thoughts?

    1. Personally I would go for Eddy Julio Martiniez as soon as he is ready to sign…..and right now it appears he is waiting for July 2nd, 2016…nut sure why however. he is rated plus across the board like Moncada, but is a pure OFer with right hand power AND can be playing in Philly in less then three years
      How will affect them in the LA market…I think they have enough in the pipeline now to survive a one/two year drought. Cubs and Yankees have done it this way back in 2013 and last year fro the Yankees.
      As for the international draft…who knows when that will come.

      1. I would watch the rankings. One site had one of the new Cuban’s with a 70 speed and when I checked his stats he had 0 stolen bases and caught once.

        Anyone can look good in a private and heavily controlled workout environment. Those should only confirm what you saw from International and other competition not be the be all guide.

        It reminds me of MIke Mamula, workout wonder. The workouts should back up the stats and video.

        1. Not all time is run ratings conducive to stolen bases, but according to MLB potential…..he did play in the Serie nacinale league as a 19-year old, well under age..
          On Martinez the 70 Run is versed as:
          “……… He’s speedy out of the box and shows base-stealing potential. Described as “hard-nosed,” Martinez is aggressive and not afraid to take an extra-base.
          Martinez has shown good instincts on defense and the ability to cover the gaps in the outfield. Those skills combined with a playable and accurate arm make scouts believe he will stay in center field and could be in the big leagues in after a couple of seasons in the Minor Leagues. Scouts also like that Martinez has experience playing for Cuba’s junior national teams in Mexico and Venezuela and that he spent two seasons with Las Tunas in Cuba’s Serie Nacional, the island’s top league.”

            1. They rarely put the ‘times’ in the MLB scouting analysis.
              Look at Roman Quinn’s page.
              Run: 80…’The switch-hitter has more extra-base pop than his size suggests, but his game will always be about using his speed to get on base and make things happen. His speed also helps him defensively, as he moved from shortstop to center field in 2014.’

      2. Unless they are positive that they can get one or more of the top few guys for the 2016 period I would go after him. I was disappointed when they didn’t go after Mocanda who looked like he would fit right into the timeline of some of their better prospects arrivals to the big leagues. Him, Crawford, Franco, Nola, Williams, and whoever else makes it to the show could have formed the basis of a new foundation. So if their scouts and the people they trust think this kid has a talent level similar to Mocanda and can play premium defensive position money should be no object.

  15. I like the idea of waiting another year…all of the big boy spenders wil be eliminated from the process. They’ll basically be bidding against themselves.

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