Box Score Recap – 6/25/2015

Lehigh Valley (29-46) lost to the Bufalo Bisons 7-2.  Vasquez gave up 5 runs in 3.1 innings and earned the loss by issuing 5 walks and allowing 6 hits.  Aaron Altherr went 2-4.

Reading (37-34) was postponed because of rain.  The game will be made up as part of a double header Friday.

Clearwater (38-33) beat the Dunedin Blue Jays 8-7 in 10 innings.  Harold Guerrero and Jesen Therrien blew a 6-3 lead, but Therrien was the pitcher of record when the Threshers went ahead in the tenth.  Miguel Nunez earned his first save.

Malquin Canelo and Rhys Hoskins made their FSL debuts.  Canelo went 2-6 with a 2-run HR.  Hoskins went 2-4 with 2 walks.  Chace Numata had 2 RBI.  Every starter had at least one hit except Mitchell Walding who went 0-2 with 3 BB and 2 K.

Lakewood (33-36)  lost to Hickory Crawdads 8-7 in walk off fashion.  Scott Kingery went 2-5 with a triple.  Herlis Rodriguez went 2-4 with his 6th HR and 3 RBI.  Damek Tomscha went 3-4 with his 3rd HR and 2 RBI.  Cord Sandberg went 3-4 with a double.  Kyle Martin went 1-4 with an RBI.  Calvin Rayburn pitched 2.2 innings of shutout ball in relief.

Williamsport (7-0) beat the Batavia Muckdogs 6-3.  More good pitching.  Alejandro Arteaga pitched 4-hit ball for 7.0 innings and allowed one unearned run on 4 hits and a walk.  He struck out five.  Andrew Godail p[itched a perfect eighth,  And Robert Tasin stranded 2 inherited runners in the 0.2 innings he was called upon to pitch to earn the save.

Venn Biter (.500) went 3-4 and scored 3 runs.  Jose Pujols (.500) went 2-4.  Brendon Hayden (.471) went 1-4.  Only 3 of their runs were driven in – one each by Biter, Pujols, and Jan Hernandez.  The other three runs scored on a wild pitch, a fielding error, and Jose Pujols stole home.

GCL Phillies (3-0) took 2 from the GCL Pirates 7-3 and 2-0.  In the first game, DH Cornelius made his debut and went 3-3 with a triple, RBI, walk, and run scored.Luis Encarnacion went 1-4 with a 2-run HR (2).  Jose Antequerra went 1-2 with a triple, RBI and a walk.

In the second game, Greg Picket went 1-3 with a double.  Yunior Reyes and Scott Tomassetti each went 1-2 with a walk and an RBI.  Felix Paulino pirched 5.0 shutout innings for the win.  Ismael Cabrera pitched a perfect inning for a hold.  Sutter McLoughlin picked up the save.

DSL Phillies (11-10) lost to the DSL Athletics 2-1.  Both teams were held to 3 hits..

VSL Phillies (15-19) beat the VSL Rays 3-2.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • Logan Moore assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • Boston Red Sox optioned Joe Kelly to Pawtucket Red Sox. (haha, Red Sox)
  • Jose Mayorga assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • C Andrew Knapp assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • Reading Fightin Phils activated RHP Reinier Roibal from the 7-day disabled list.
  • Reading Fightin Phils activated C Rene Garcia from the bereavement list.
  • Reading Fightin Phils placed LF Cam Perkins on the 7-day disabled list. back tightness
  • Drew Stankiewicz assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Clearwater Threshers.
  • Malquin Canelo assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • Rhys Hoskins assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 2B Scott Kingery assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 1B Kyle Martin assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws.

 

 

65 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/25/2015

  1. If you told me Canelo would hit a HR before Hoskins in CLW, I would have called you nuts. But it happened. Herlis Rodriguez, Kingery and Martin are the most interesting hitters on LKW. Grullon inches closer to hitting .200 every day. Sandberg, Cord that is, got hot at a good time. He’s hitting .419 in his last 9 games. Show us it’s the rule and not the exception… please.

  2. yes, on Sandberg..

    that Lackey for Kelly and Craig trade by the Sox was pure genius. for Phils wants wanting the quick fix, the Red Sox, White Sox and Padres got all the headlines this off-season, but are a combined 23 games under .500.

  3. Worm has turned for Phillies minor league system. I see intrigue at every level now. I see upside again and have no doubts after prospects from Hamels trade combined with next year very high draft pick that Phillies will have top 15 system again.

  4. ‘◾Boston Red Sox optioned Joe Kelly to Pawtucket Red Sox. (haha, Red Sox)’….I guess it is not all about the velo. If I recall correctly, Kelly has pretty decent velo.

    1. Yeah. He throws hard but can’t consistently throw strikes. Compare his minor league walks/9 to Biddle’s. Tell me what you see. Or I can just tell you the answer if you want.

        1. The difference between MLB hitters and AAA hitters is staggering. It is a greater jump than any other level multiplied by 10. They will find any flaw and exploit it.

          1. I wouldn’t say it’s a multiple of 10, but agreed it’s a huge step. The biggest thing, and we saw this with Aumont’s disastrous start, is that, if they know a pitcher struggles with control, they will make him throw strikes or they’ll just take walk after walk. Major leaguers generally don’t just get themselves out – they make the pitcher earn it. And if the pitcher is known to groove pitches when he gets behind, they’ll just wait it out until they get the pitch they expect and then crush it. This is precisely how Aumont’s bad start played out.

  5. An intriguing guy in the VSL is Williams Mendoza. He’s a righthanded pitcher who is 6’7″ 200 lbs. Not intrigued yet, he’s 17 y/o and he’ll be 17 until April of next year. He might not be done growing yet. He might be fizzle and poof or possibly zap, kapow. Let’s give him a year or two to see what he is. As for stats, it’s not exactly impressive yet. He’s pitched in 5 games and only given up runs in 2 of those games. Unfortunately, 1 of those games was a 5 spot. He walks twice as many as he Ks but a guy who is 6’7″ at 17 needs time to tighten up his motion.

  6. I don’t want to bust anyones bubble. I am so glad that next draft is pitcher heavy. Imo this system doesn’t have enough arms. I am not a fan of windle. lively. effin. I Will say it until the day I die. right-handers who cant hit 93- 94 aren’t top starters. I think nola is a good prospect. but right now we don’t have a lot at triple a or double a there isn’t a lot. and the relief pitchers are horrible.

    1. Eflin is the 13th youngest player in AA. He has an ERA under 3. There is a lot to like here.

      1. I like Eflin a lot too – he’s probably got enough velocity, has insane command, has great size and mound presence. There’s some serious upside with him and I couldn’t agree more about the points on the age and the ERA – check also his great WHIP.

    2. I hear you, but I look at it a little differently.

      First, you are generally right on the importance of velocity, every 2 MPH or so that a righty’s velocity increases above, say 92 MPH, will generally have the effect of making the pitcher that much more effective. It’s a big jump from 92 to 94 and 94 to 96 and so on. Starters whose FB sits in the upper 90s have a dramatically greater chance of being top pitchers – that’s why all those young Mets starters are so awesome – frankly, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a deeper group of elite starting arms on one team (deGrom, Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegaard and, now, Matz – as a group, they are RIDICULOUS).

      Second, throwing hard by itself doesn’t guarantee anything if you don’t have control (pitchers who throw really hard often just need good control, not great command) and can’t flash any reliable secondary pitches. That said, throwing hard helps and it helps a lot.

      Third, if you throw too soft, especially as a righty, unless you have a weird “out” pitch (knuckleball, splitter, superb change), you are almost guaranteed not to be successful. Only a handful of righties can survive (let alone thrive) with FBs below 90 MPH – the likelihood that a prospect you are rooting for will be one of these “special” guys is like 1,000 to 1 – almost all of them never even get close to making it (I’m talking to you, Drew Carpenter).

      Fourth, some righties can be elite with just about average FB velocity (sitting around 91) if they have great command and throw some other effective pitches. This is Adam Wainwright’s model and there are others. But, yes, if a right-handed pitcher throws 93-94 as opposed to 91-92, he will greatly improve his odds of being a top pitcher – no argument there.

      Fifth, the rules for lefties are different, lefties can be dominant with velocities in the 90-93 range and can even be effective from 88-90 (or sometimes even below that), but they also have trouble being top pitchers if they can’t sit at around 90 or above.

      1. I have always said lefties are different. People I think don’t realize they get away with lower velo. because of there natural movement. I am not saying you cant win with low velo. but as you stated its most likely you wont, unless you have a knuckball etc. I know effin is young. but you cant teach velo. I just think next years draft gives us a chance to add a top of rotation guy. and maybe some bullpen help. I am so tired of seeing our minor league guys blow leads. Catch for every wainwright you have twenty, bucanan or kenricks types. that is my point it can be done but its hard. Throwing hard isn’t a sure thing for sure, example aumont. but its a good foundation to becoming a winning pitcher in the majors, Its just my opinion,

        1. Yes, we are not in general disagreement on relevant principles, just differing on how those principles apply to Eflin. See Romus’s comment below on Eflin’s velocity – he has it, but he generally likes to keep it under wraps – I think, as he progresses, he is going to be required to amp it up more and more. But the point is that more velocity is there and is available at his disposal. Second, his command his ridiculous. Like Nola, the command with Eflin is like a 70. Kendrick was like a 55 and Buchanan is maybe 60. Eflin’s in a whole different class than those other guys.

    3. rocco…Eflin can dial it up to 93/94 if he wanted to with the four-seamer…but does not want to ….his two-seamer is what he prefers. Like he said since LL he has thrown the two-seamer for command and control…that is why he has success at such an young age at the levels he has been assigned.

      1. I sat directly behind Ed Wade a few weeks ago in Trenton when Eflin pitched. I was watching Wade’s gun all night. Eflin hit 95 two separate times that night. He hit 93 or 94 maybe once or twice each and his fastball sat at 90-92 all night.

        1. Thanks Answer. I have missed your more frequent postings from back in the day, I’d love to hear your thoughts more often.

    4. Watched Eflin pitch on Mothers Day- he sat 91-92 and dialed it up to 94 a few times. That isn’t plus velocity, but with his command and the movement on his 2-seamer, it is not too bad.

      1. I like everything about Eflin except that he doesn’t have an out pitch. I believe that he can develop one. But until he does, he is a #4 or #5.

        But at this age, if I had to choose between velocity with great control or good breaking ball with poor control, I would choose the former. I think you can learn breaking balls, but can’t learn velocity and I am dubious that you can learn control.

  7. The Phillies really need a corner bat who hits for power in the upper levels of the system. The left side of the IF looks set for the forseeable future with Franco in Philly and Crawford close behind.

    Cesar Hernandez is a good stop gap option at 2B if Kingery proves to be the real deal. At 1B, I think Hoskins is still 2 years away.

    In the OF, Quinn has a chance to be an all-star level player, health permitting, LF is tough to say, maybe Altherr keeps improving? I don’t know, not sold on him as a long term solution. In RF, while I like the current version of Dom Brown in RF (patience at the plate and not trying to pull everything), who knows how long it lasts.

    At C, Cameron Rupp has been playing pretty good over the past month and we have a 22 yr old Lino in AAA that I have high hopes for.

    Like I said, the braintrust needs to stockpile some corner bats and hope 1-2 of them turn into middle of the lineup fixtures.

    1. I really would like to get a scouts opinion on canelo he is coming on after not really hitting before, and the other kid rod is really coming on. and I never to be honest heard of him, until this yearl

  8. Its impossible not to pleased with Wsport and GCL combining to go 10-0. The teams are formed from young Latin players plus young signees form last year’s draft and this year’s draft. Maybe the other teams are terrible but maybe we have lots of good young talent on the horizon. I remember thinking last year what did the organization see in Arteaga… Now?
    Its a little early to project Hoskins as our future #4 hitter at 1B in the majors but I do agree he has potential. I remember watching him hit in spring training and coming away very impressed. I found it interesting that CWater had Canelo, Tocci, and Hoskins all batting in their top 4 spots yesterday. And all had hits. It was also nice to see Kingery and Martin slide right in at Lwood, both with hits.
    Its definitely been fun watching so many minor leaguers improve as the year goes on. Could Sandberg be for real? Will Ramos pitch in Reading soon? Will someone tell Leiter that he’s too small and throws too slow to get guys out? Will we stop saying that Canelo is a defense only SS?
    I’m still waiting for juicy Hamels rumors but there haven’t been any good ones yet. Still 5 weeks to go. I’m still hoping he can turn into a legit top 20 prospect but I’m not confident. I see the Pirates might give us a AA player for Harang. That would be fine. Lester wants Pap to join him on the Cubs. That could be great for us…

    1. I would be satisfied with either Willy Garcia, OFer or Elias Diaz, catcher in exchange for Aaron Harang.

      1. I’m ok with those choices but don’t you think Theo aims higher than Harang? For me Harang has to be behind a bunch of arms first starting with Cueto and possibly Samardja. Kazmir looms as well if the A’s don’t hurry and get back in it.

        Still plenty of seats in the mix. More seats then arms perhaps.

    1. I wonder if that move leads to Ramos going to Reading and maybe one or two pen arms from Lakewood go up to Clearwater. (DeNato, Hockenberry or Rivero who is the current team leader in WHIP)

  9. Okay, I looked for the general discussion but found none – he’s a revised top prospects list – I included Franco because, what the hell, I can and he’s only been in the majors about a month or so.

    1. Crawford – an insanely good prospect. 60-70 fielding; 60 speed; 65-70 hit tool; 75 plate discipline; power probably 30. If he just continues to develop as expected he’ll be a star of some type; if he develops even average power, he’s another Barry Larkin. He will be hitting 1st or 2nd (probably 2nd) in this line-up until 2030, routinely putting up OBP of around .400 or so and doing everything else well too. Yeah, he’s that good.

    2. Franco – always had him below Nola, but not anymore (I’m viewing this a bit in hindsight, so it’s not entirely fair). Big issue with him was whether he could fend off good breaking pitches and hit with authority to the opposite field. Has done both with flying colors. Has in-game power of like 65/70. The biggest surprise is that the hit tool – which I always viewed as something like a 45 or 50, might be as high as a 60, which would be huge. Looking like a first division regular at the very least and potentially a perennial all-star candidate. But before we canonize him, I’d like to see how he does in his second and third trips around the league – after the pitchers have a chance to adjust to him. My instinct, however, is that while the average will come down (probably will ultimately sit in the .270-280 range), the power is real and the fielding is fine. The plate discipline could be better and is improving. He looks like a guy who will be putting up a lot of lines like .285/.330/.550 with fine defense. Sounds good, no?

    3. Nola – I don’t compare many pitchers to Greg Maddux, but as I watch Nola, he looks exactly like a young Greg Maddux. Crazy good movement, plenty of pitches, plus command, is intelligent and poised on the mound, and has enough velocity to be as effective as he needs to be. Now, I’m not saying he will be nearly as good as Greg Maddux, but if you can think of a pitcher he more resembles, let me know. I couldn’t think of one. Will be at least a “3” the moment he is promoted and will likely settle in as a rock-solid #2. Has clear ace potential as I don’t think we’re done seeing him evolve as a pitcher.

    4. Quinn – Yes, the injuries are totally annoying and are depriving him of needed developmental time. But he has managed to develop and even blossom notwithstanding these challenges. The hip flexor is a little scary but I’ve read that athletes come back from this injury at 100 percent of pre-injury levels – he should be fine. When on the field, he’s a game changer. Has blinding speed – when he runs, he looks like an old black-and-white film from the 1920s – where the film is speed is so much faster than real-life speed. But does a lot more, including hitting well and now drawing walks – and can flash decent power from the left side. Is a potentially superb outfielder and seems to have a killer outfield arm – had a ton of outfield assists. Has the potential to a first division outfielder and occasional all-star. Think Billy Hamilton with a little less speed but better all-around skills and more power.

    5. Cornelius Randolph – I love the reports on his hitting ability. It’s often hard to rank prospects when they are first drafted, so I started him here because I don’t think he’s going to disappoint us and I expect him to move through the lower minors quickly. Hey, a high schooler, who can actually hit!!! That’s a refreshing change from the Marti draft days.

    6. Zach Eflin – a player who sparks as much debate on this site as anyone else. Eflin throws plenty hard – sitting 90-92 and hitting the mid 90s when he needs/wants to. Has a great pitching body, mound presence and has truly superb command – close to Nola’s. Is very young for the level, has a low ERA and extremely low WHIP. Needs to improve breaking pitches and needs to learn to change eye level and throw a 4-seamer to mix things up (I actually saw him do this more recently). Will have to improve K rates as he moves up the ladder. Projects as a true workhorse # 3 – could be better if velocity ticks up or breaking pitches improve; but could be worse if he doesn’t improve much from this point forward. Could easily hold his place in this patethic major league rotation right now, but doing so would impede his development.

    7. Mike Kingery – I love the reports – speed, plate discipline, fielding prowess and a good hit tool. Almost certainly won’t be the next Chase Utley, but he could be the next Howie Kendrick with better on base skills or, if we’re really lucky, he’ll be another Ian Kinsler. I’ll take that from a 2nd round pick any day of the week.

    8. Carlos Tocci – great fielder (range and arm), solid hitter with good on base skills. If all goes well, he’s another Gary Maddox. Still very young and it’s entirely unclear how much strength he will develop. If he doesn’t get much stronger, he’s a 4th outfielder or borderline 2nd division regular – if he develops well, he’s a first division regular- sort of like Ender Inciarte – remember him?

    9. Ricardo Pinto – I think this dude – who, at 19, is already known for being kind of a tough customer on the mound – can pitch.

    10. Franklyn Kilome – would probably have him around #7 if he had a longer track record. If he pitches well the rest of the year and early next year, could rise into the top 5 very quickly.

    11. Rhys Hoskins – this guy can hit and has really decent plate discipline. I think he’s going to be Ryan Howard’s ultimate successor. I know it’s very early and he still has to show he can hit at AA and, especially, AAA, but I have a strong suspicion that he will. The real question is whether he’ll just be an okay major leaguer or can take the next step and develop into a real force. We will want to see some power displays when he gets to Reading, but I like him a lot.

    12. Malquin Canelo – it can’t be easy playing the same position as J.P. Crawford in the minors and, to make matters worse, do it a level behind Crawford. But for Crawford, we’d be raving about this guy and probably would have him in the top 10. I want to see more, but he’s young and he’s impressive. I’m anxious to hear more reports on his fielding but I’m told they are good. I’d like to see him get a little time at second to see if that’s a possibility down the road.

    13. Aaron Alther – you could have him placed anywhere from 7th or 8th to like 15th. Has really come on this year – improvements to his plate discipline and hit tool are impressive and unexpected in a prospect this age, but not impossible. He will have to show he can retain these gains at AAA (good start so far). That said, he’s a guy you have to see in person – he’s fast and is a tremendous fielder. I think he can play center well enough to stick there, which means his hitting doesn’t have to be as good for him to play regularly. If he can’t develop power, his ceiling is probably as an average centerfielder on a .500 team. If he develops power, I don’t know good he can become – I really don’t – and I do think that power resides in him somewhere that the improved hitting and plate discipline can highlight. If there’s any guy on the farm who could unexpectedly come on in his mid-20s and turn into an excellent major leaguer, it’s Altherr.

    14. Kelly Dugan – a guy who always seems to get hurt yet never goes away. He doesn’t go away because he has truly above-average to plus plate discipline, a smooth and repeatable swing and enough athleticism and ability to hold his own in the outfield. He’s the type of guy that, way back when, would end up in a nice outfield platoon, get about 450 at bats and put up killer stats (we need more of this – having an extra platoon outfielder is way more valuable than have a 12th guy on a pitching staff to throw garbage innings).

    15. Ben Lively – he really is quite good. Has blown up a few times this year because the manager left him in an inning too long. Has enough velocity to be effective (touches 93 and 94) and has deception and decent breaking pitches. Seems to be the type of pitcher who would get hit more in the Eastern League but he’s not bad at all. Projects as high as a 3, but would be a 4 you’d be happy to run out there. Still has to develop some more, but he’s good.

    Other guys who were close. Grullon, Biddle, Sandberg, Ramos, Kleven, Cozens, Pickett

    1. I generally agree with your ranking and rationale. Although not sure Franco can be on this list anymore.

      One prospect, whom I would probably rank higher is Kilome. The scouts seem to LOVE him. Say he has true #1 potential. Eflin does not have that potential, but he is certainly a lower risk prospect. But I would still probably put Kilome ahead of him.

      1. Sure, I understand, reasonable minds can differ on this. I just never like ranking pitchers that high until they have a few games under their belt. If he’s as good as they say he is, he will jump high on all lists very quickly, but your point is well taken.

    2. Thanks for putting your thoughts out there, Catch. FYI it is Scott Kingery and Pinto is 21. I think you are too low on Kilome…at the very least he belongs ahead of Pinto.

      Personally I don’t think Quinn belongs that high. He’s not particularly young for his level and I have a lot of concern about his offensive profile at the MLB level.

      1. I suppose I should follow suit. Here are my tiered rankings.

        Tier 1: JPC, Nola
        Tier 2: Rando, Eflin, Kilome
        Tier 3: Quinn, Kingery, Tocci

        After that there is a large group of guys who all show promise to varying degrees and are interesting for varying reasons. For example Dugan (because he is close to MLB ready and seems like he can hit), and Pujols (because his upside is pretty high).

      2. Thanks – I think there was a player once called Mike Kingery – appreciate the correction. Also thanks for clarifying Pinto’s age. Yeah, I get that a lot of folks have Kilome ahead and that’s where I think he is headed too, but I just want to see him achieve before I move him up the list.

        If there’s anyone I forgot, it’s probably Pujols and Encarnacion – after 10, there are a bunch of guys grouped together in the next 10 or so.

    3. 1. Crawford
      2. Franco
      3. Nola
      4. Quinn
      5. Randolph
      6. Eflin
      7. Kilome
      8. Tocci
      9. Pinto
      10. Canelo
      11. Kingery
      12. Biddle
      13. Grullon
      14. Garcia
      15. Lively

      Others: Hoskins, Altherr, Cozens, Brown, Imhof, Lino, Dugan

      I’m pretty sure Franco has exhausted his rookie eligibility, so he shouldn’t really be on these lists going forward, but I’ve had him as my #2 for awhile now. I need to see Hoskins rake in Clearwater before I bump him up higher. Imhof is kind of the forgotten man because of his injury, but he seems healthy now and was a high pick.

  10. Jose Pujols #7 on BA Hot Sheet this week

    . Jose Pujols, rf, Phillies

    3ds_phillies83Team: short-season Williamsport (New York-Penn)
    Age: 19
    Why He’s Here: .500/.500/.714 (14-for-28), 4 R, 4 2B, 1 3B, 6 RBIs, 1 BB, 6 SO, 2-for-2 SB

    The Scoop: The Phillies for years have believed in Pujols’ massive tool set. He’s got a strong, lithe body with the potential for plenty of power down the line. He’s also an average defender with the best arm in the system. After a brief taste at Williamsport last year, Pujols returned there this season and started the year with a bang. After collecting 20 extra-base hits over 57 games last season, Pujols got a quarter of the way to that total just a week into this season.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/prospect-hot-sheet-june-26-mckinney-claims-top-spot/

    1. ‘Best arm in the system”….wow….did not know that…assumed it would be Tocci, Quinn or Altherr. Of course, as catchers go Grullon.

  11. It sure is much more exciting to check the box scores then I can ever remember. Might be up to 15-20 REAL prospects. Nice updated ranking. Lots of Movement and break outs, although some are SSS.
    Thanks Jimmy for all the hard work and time.

  12. C Wilson Garcia assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.

    Lehigh Valley IronPigs released RHP Paul Clemens.

    Nefi Ogando assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.

  13. I’ve been spending (wasting????) my time on the Phuture Phillies website since, I believe, 2006. I think, by the time the year ends and the dust settles it will be abundantly clear that this is, by a substantial cushion, the best the system has been during that time. Finally, at long last, after years of poor drafts and massive prospect trades, the pipeline is flowing and prospects are coming through and look ready to be promoted and achieve.

    1. ‘………the pipeline is flowing and prospects are coming through and look ready to be promoted and achieve…..and Ruben deserves all the credit! 🙂

    2. I am surprised to hear that. I started following Phillies minor league system in 2013. The baby aces were before I started following and I just always assumed that was golden time around here.

    1. I’m sorry, but if this is true, it is completely asinine for the Phillies. ONE player in the top 30, he’s #14, AND he alone takes them over the penalty threshold. There are two scenarios where this is not the stupidest strategy ever.

      1: Everyone else on the board stinks except for him, and he is really good.
      2: We are certain there will be a draft next year, and that penalties will not affect their placement or spending.

      1. Complain that they never spend money in LA? Complain when they do.

        Complain that we have no power bats in the system? Complain when we go aggressively after someone.

        How much did Franco cost? Kilome? The other guys in the system? Just curious.

        1. Please realize that I am slightly more sophisticated than that.

          The process is the important part, the way in which the money is spent. I don’t want the money spent for the sake of spending. If they spend $4 million on David Urban to play third base, that’s a bad baseball decision.

          But hyperbole aside, I’m sure the Phillies scouts like this guy. He probably has a pretty good shot. However, it’s pretty clear that he’s not the best prospect of the bunch at this time.

          I’m not saying he has to be the best, but if the Phillies are going to absorb a penalty that takes them out of bidding for high priced players for the next two years, they need to be getting AT LEAST three years worth of value in the year they go over. Otherwise it becomes a better play to be under the penalty threshold.

          How much did Franco and Kilome cost? It doesn’t matter if it’s cheap, because they should be doing that regardless of what they’re doing with higher priced guys. i.e. you should try to get both the Bryce Harpers early and Albert Pujols late in the draft. Your question is a distraction from the actual point.

          Here’s a question for you, now. Would you rather the Phillies did what the Phillies did, or the Dodgers? Or, would you rather them not go after Ortiz, but instead spend up to the threshold and not exceed it?

  14. I Just cant believe the dodgers. OMG they just outspend everyone. The Yankees even in there best days, wouldn’t do what the dodgers are doing. its nuts

    1. Yes….the Dodgers seem to want to garner the market on the Cubans and DR players. Just remember, however, they will not be able to play them all at the major league level if they reach it that far. And they will be coming up around the same time period. Some may have to be exposed to Rule 5 criteria also. The Cubs are in the same boat with their large 2013 signing class of LAs.
      Sometimes its best to have some moderation.

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