PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #25

Jesmuel Valentin takes the 24th prospect position by a considerable margin.  He received 91 of 306 votes cast (30%).  Ricardo Pinto finished second with 35 votes.  Valentin is the first player to receive 30% of the vote since Cozens and Tocci received 30% back-to-back as the 13th and 14th prospects.

The selections so far are listed below.

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Aaron Nola
  3. Maikel Franco
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Zach Eflin
  6. Ben Lively
  7. Jesse Biddle
  8. Kelly Dugan
  9. Tom Windle
  10. Yoel Mecias
  11. Deivi Grullon
  12. Matt Imhof
  13. Dylan Cozens
  14. Carlos Tocci
  15. Odubel Herrera
  16. Aaron Altherr
  17. Aaron Brown
  18. Franklyn Kilome
  19. Victor Arano
  20. Andrew Knapp
  21. Zach Green
  22. Severino Gonzalez
  23. Cord Sandberg
  24. Jesmuel Valentin

The poll for #25 is up next.





38 thoughts on “PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #25

  1. One guy I’m curious about; if anyone has a better grasp of him, I’d appreciate knowing more:

    Ranger Suarez.

    That 78:1 K/BB ratio last year jumps out. And that one walk was intentional. Either his uncle is an umpire, or that shows elite control.

    I’m also curious about Willians Astudillo. I know his body type/lack of position are red flags, but his hit tool seems pretty serious. Considering how this site generally favors hitters over pitchers, I would have thought he’d have garnered more votes.

    Btw, voted Pinto here.

    1. Unfortunately, Suarez has a fastball in the mid-80s. He’s also not the biggest guy, so it’s tough to project that he’ll add velocity. Hopefully he finds a few mph somewhere.

      Astudillo seems a lot like Cam Perkins to me. Unless he can add some defensive value, I don’t see a lot of potential.

    2. Right now Ranger is an enigma. I saw him twice in Instructs. Once was on the last day when he threw a clean inning. On the other occasion I posted the following

      9/23 – pitched the eighth inning. He was the only pitcher to NOT record a swinging strike or a strike out, he had the lowest strike-to-ball ratio of the day, and his fastest pitch was one 87 mph fastball. However, he only needed 9 pitches (5:4, strike-to-ball) to record 3 outs in a clean inning. The 6’1, 19-year old had velocities of 86 (called strike), 86 (F9), 86 (ball), 86 (6-3), 77 (ball), 87 (ball), 85 (ball), 86 (called strike), 85 (4-3).

    1. A SS can get by with less than stellar offense. A SS without a good enough arm or not quite enough range can move to 2B. A SS who is not quite good enough to start in the bigs frequently is good enough defensively at 2B and 3B to be a utility IF. A 2B who isn’t quite good enough to be a starter, is often just out of luck. Not having enough range for SS or arm for 3B, he is left, as Hernandez is, trying to learn to play CF so a team can afford to carry him on the bench. I think Valentin has a higher ceiling than Hernandez, but likely he needs to be a starting quality 2B if he is to be a major leaguer. There is a reason that HS and even college 2B tend not to be drafted highly and that 2B get downrated a tad in grading prospects.

  2. I guess when it comes to this late in the rankings, one elite tool should be enough to put someone on the list.

    Suarez: elite control
    Astudilllo: elite hit tool
    Ogando: elite fastball

    Anyone else on this list with an elite tool?

      1. I don’t think Hoskins actually has elite power. He has good power, but he isn’t elite. He wasn’t even among the top few college power guys in his draft.

        1. Depends on how ne perceives the definition of elite.
          By the numerical grade I would think anything 70 and above is considered elite.
          Hoskins does not have that label…more like plus.
          But then again, igf going by the numerical grading, then there are no prospects in the Phillies with any elite talent other then Quinn in the speed category.
          Perhaps fritzerland should have had it broken down into the ‘plus’ arena.

    1. I’d say Ogando has elite velocity. Perhaps a nitpick but given how bad his control is I doubt his FB could be considered elite.

      1. One of the few things that “Winks” did that I found silly. These ridiculously high scouting grades he put on player’s tools.

        1. I can back up all 3 speed times with home to first times measured and reported to me this year. Ogando’s fastball speaks for itself (96-98 T100, slight knock for control). Grullon was 1.80-1.83 consistently (good 70 times, under 1.80 is 80, but footwork needs some cleaning up). Pujols is the only reach by me. Easiest raw power I have seen in a minor leaguer and has room for 30-40 pounds of muscle.

          That was 6 70+ grades among 50 players, not exactly a lot of high rated tools. Mostly everything else is 40-60 with most 60s on FBs, speed, arms, raw power, and some SS/CF/C gloves.

  3. It’s Pinto time. Pullin after that. I’ve made my picks through #37. Mostly using a dart board for those last 3 to 5 picks. I couldn’t find any distinguishing characteristics that would make 1 guy stand out over the others.

  4. It’s the point in the rankings where it’s tough to trade off proximity and floor against way down in the system and good scouting reports but little or no or poor stats or low in system with good stats and poor scouting report. I went with floor and put Perkins here. I think he makes the majors in 2016 as a very inexpensive 5th OF.

    1. I agree and think you are spot on Perkins.
      It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he comes out and starts with a hot bat at LHV.
      And depending on the Phillies need for RH bat in he OF, it could come down between him and Francouer this season at some point.

  5. Pujols, I feel confident about him too. Big power potential, and his stats seem to indicate a better hit tool than Encarnacion, along with more positional value.

  6. I guess I’m more of an age-based performance guy than a tools guy. It seems really something to me that Tromp, who just led the NY-Penn League in HRs as a 20 year old (and was like 6th in OPS) can’t crack the Top 25 in our system. I’d have him in the 11-15 range.

    1. For me hes more of a tools guy than a performance guy. Sure he’s got power and speed but right now he’s a dead pull hitter with poor K and BB rates that is likely limited to LF. Obviously there is a lot of talent there but a lot of refinement is needed.

      This past year was his third season at WPT after struggling mightily in two brief call ups to LWD. Mitch Rupert is a bit of a fan though which gives me hope. I have at 25 personally

    1. that’s who I’ve been voting for till he gets in. Looking forward to seeing how he does this year, if he can make the phils pen at some point this year.

    2. He is a pure reliever. He probably is either starting with the Phillies or coming on and staying once he gets there,

  7. Phils Future 1st baseman.. Hoskins just finished 2 spots behind Valentine, and now has slipped way down behind Pullin and Joseph ???????? no way

  8. Pick Nevis he’s on fire his stats show he could be a long man. For me Perkins is next base on last yr the hole yr.

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