PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 for #18

2015 Reader Top 30

Aaron Brown is selected the 17th prospect in the organization.  Brown received 73 of 282 votes cast (26%).  Franklyn Kilome finished second with 40 votes.

The selections so far are listed below.

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Aaron Nola
  3. Maikel Franco
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Zach Eflin
  6. Ben Lively
  7. Jesse Biddle
  8. Kelly Dugan
  9. Tom Windle
  10. Yoel Mecias
  11. Deivi Grullon
  12. Matt Imhof
  13. Dylan Cozens
  14. Carlos Tocci
  15. Odubel Herrera
  16. Aaron Altherr
  17. Aaron Brown

Up next, poll #18 with no new players added.

 

 

 

49 thoughts on “PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 for #18”

    3. I agree that Kilome should already be on the list. However I am really having trouble parsing the “young pitchers with upside” group. I tried to pull together some info on the under 22yo guys – age, repertoire and rank on other lists (PMT = MattWinks) and still it is hard for me to rank them. A good problem to have!

      *Arano – 20 – High A – low 90s with average slider – PMT #14 FG #11
      *Garcia – 20 – low A – high 80s to low 90s with potential plus curve and average change – PMT #16 FG #22 BP #9
      *Kilome – 19/20 – low A – low 90s sinker with average slider and change – PMT #15 FG #13 BA #10
      *Pinto – 21 – low A – low to mid 90s with above average change – PMT #20 FG #14
      *Severino – 21 – AA – high 80s to low 90s with cutter and below average curve, slider and change – PMT #30 FG #16

      Let me know if I got anything wrong or perhaps an approach you are using to separate them. I did not include McWilliams and Anderson but they are non-zero guys too. I voted Arano again.

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      1. I will add that both BA and Fangraphs lists came out before Eflin, Windle, Lively, and Rodriguez were acquired in trades, while I had the benefit of ranking those players.

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  5. Tommy Joseph. Andrew Knapp. Kelly Dugan. All three of those guys have never had a down year. I put money on them before Altherr, Cozens and Tocci in becoming solid big leaguers. ToJo is a comeback guy & will be in the majors in 15.

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    1. This comment is pure insanity. Joseph hasn’t played for two years. Knapp was absolutely horrible in A+ ball. I have a better chance on being a solid big leaguer than Joseph

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      2. I don’t think that’s quite fair. Joseph’s big issue is whether he has healed from a wrist injury and, even more importantly, whether he can play concussion free behind the plate. Last year, he was postively raking at Reading before he hurt the wrist. Assuming the wrist heals it might have been a huge blessing in disguise because the best remedy for concussion problems is rest and time – his hurting his wrist may have accidentally saved his career by giving him time off to heal in all ways.

        Anyway, if you wanted me to make a short list of guys who are off the radar who could suddenly become a big deal if things break right, Joseph would be on it, but he has to stay behind the plate and whether he can do so with the concussion history is a complete unknown. I’m rooting for him – this kid has talent and is a take charge type of person – he still has upside, although it’s obviously much more of a long shot at this point.

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      3. Sometimes you can tell how seriously you should respond to someone on the internet by their handle.

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  6. Franklyn Kilome: 19 yr old in rookie league, 5.6 K/9, 2.5BB/9, 40ip.
    Victor Arano: 19yr old in A league, 8.7 K/9, 2.1 Bb/9, 86 ip.

    easy choice for me

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    1. People here are overlooking Arano since he didn’t pitch in our system last year and isn’t a shiny new toy like Lively, Eflin and Windle.

      Arano was top 15 in the LAD system last year (a system FAR better than ours) and deserves to be higher than several players who have already gone.

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    1. Do not understand.
      Splain. LA prospects have done well in the poll ratings in the past.
      For many 17/18-year olds it is a difficult decision if proximity is the gauge one uses vs ceiling.
      Who is underrated?

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      1. Both MattWinks and FG have Kilome and Arano higher than #18 and MattWinks and BP have Garcia higher than #18. Those are probably the three, though I also like Pinto higher than this. Pinto has a solid scouting report and strong results in the NYPL last year.

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  8. I’m surprised again: not even one vote for Elniery Garcia? I have two players on the board before him, so I’m waiting for Sanberg and Knapp to come off first. Elniery is a bit of a new name, but he’s made some noise on other lists this year where people like the feel he has for his pitches and the movement he has on each.

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  9. Arano. Agree with previous comments regarding him. I’ve moved off knapp, you guys convinced me although he should still be top 20.

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    1. You moved off Knapp!
      Sam Soap is goin’ to track you down and get you…beware
      He is the ‘godfather’.
      🙂

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  10. Miffed that we still have guys buying into Sandberg and he is getting more votes than Pullin. Pullin was in this area last year if I am not mistaken. What exactly has he done to put himself lower than guys like Kilome and Knapp.

    There is no right or wrong of course at least not today

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    1. Most likely its not a knock on Pullin. I think he showed progress last year and in a static environment should have risen in the rankings. He still has a learning curve at 2nd base and that also may have played into a slower rise but I think the infusion of players via trades who are populating the top 10 have forced some, like Pullin, down in the order. Not a bad problem, actually.
      I fell the same way about Pujols, I see big upside down the road with big risk and a high 20s ranking now, but if he pans out, oh brother.

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    2. I’d happily put Pullin here, had he shown he is a good defensive 2B. From what I’ve read, he has yet to do that and the Phillies have played with moving him to the OF. His bat plays at 2B, not in the OF. Pullin may be yet another guy without a position.

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    3. Without going into specific voting, maybe the fact that Pullin played very little at 2B during Instructs has something to do with how people view him. Most of the innings I saw him play were in LF. I don’t want to speculate, don’t know if this is significant, but I can’t wait to see where they have him during ST.

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      1. This is a huge thing for him. Pullin as a LF is not a prospect. He’s only a prospect if he might be a starting 2B. He might have to start the year back at LWood which would be a bummer for him. I certainly assume Valentin is ahead of him in the pecking order and Valentin will likely start at CWater at 2B.

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        1. I agree. But, they had a lot of middle infielders in camp – Valentin, Marrero, Cumana, and Campbell all saw time at second and short, as well as the three 16-year old, LA, FA signees – Arauz, Brito, and Gamboa. It was probably just to get him on the field and some ABs. He did play OF/P in high school.

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          1. I’ve said this a number of times but wait until Pullin faces better pitching. It’s a SSS (about 50 AB) but he is horrible at hitting off speed stuff . . Out in front every time and WAY out in from. He is a fastball hitter only (in my opinion), rakes fastballs while ahead in the count but is terrible with anything else.

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  11. I have to admit, I don’t have a very good gauge on Valentin, J. Rod, Garcia and Oliver. Anyone want to shed some light on these players? Thanks in advance.

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  12. Hopefully someone can help me with a question. KLaw, not the ultimate judge of talent, has Franco as a bad 3B, good 1B, in his chat today. I saw him play, have read a lot about him, and I think 3B is his best position. He actually looks good to me. What is Law’s problem with him? I don’t get it.

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    2. I think some see his body type and assume he has bad range. Watching him, I saw a guy with decent range, great hands, and a strong arm. He definitely can play 3B in the majors although he’s young and he’ll need to be more consistent. In contrast, Asche is a better athlete and has better range but his hands are nowhere near as good as Franco’s and arm is not as strong. Asche has worked very hard to try and become passable at 3B and he’s getting closer but not quite there yet.

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      1. At least right now, Mikael Franco can flat out play third. I love Asche, but Franco is so much better than Asche at third – it’s not close. And I think Franco has a quick first step – for the time being his range is okay at third, his hand-eye coordination and reactions are very good (he has the type of coordination at third that you just can’t teach – as a long look at Asche, Michael Young, and Ty Wiggington will confirm) and his arm is plus. If and when he has to play first, I see him becoming a well-above average first baseman

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        1. The coaches voted Franco as the best at third last year in the IL.
          And KLaw says something a bit different..
          Hmmmm.

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      2. Range is REALLY hard for the untrained eye to evaluate (sometimes even the trained eye).

        That said:

        (1) A good arm, good instincts, and sure hands can compensate for poor range. Franco appears to have those qualities.
        (2) The metrics (very small SS) tend to support the conclusion that his fielding is decent to good at third.

        Don’t get me wrong – I agree that he is solid (at least) at third, better than Asche defensively, and belongs at third, not first. I just think maybe we’re getting a little carried away as to just how good he is there.

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  13. I appreciate your points LarryM, and I agree. It was KLaw’s comment that he was a bad 3B and a good 1B defensively that I questioned. His concerns over BB rate I understand, but I do not view his defensive ability as a barrier to his playing in the Majors as a 3B. And, Klaw is only one guy, it just happened to be today’s column that I read. It seems he has had this opinion for a long while and just refuses to amend it.

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