56 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 4 August 2011

    1. May has my attention. If he can be a starter, he’ll have a very high ceiling. As a pen guy, still pretty exciting.

  1. So apparently the Phillies signed Chris Lubanski, former 5th overall draft pick. He went to my rival high school (Kennedy Kenrick) and is a local kid. He’s 26 and in Reading but he’s hit well in AAA before. As recently as last year even. I’m not really sure what his whole story is but does anybody think he could potentially still be an extra man in the major leagues? It seems possible to me.

    1. I like it when they do this kind of stuff. He definitely has some ability. Maybe he can put it together. Looks like a “three true outcomes” guy. Looks like he also has had some injuries. He was playing with the Chico Outlaws.

      Some random scouting reports I found:

      Sickels: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/8/9/983124/omaha-scouting-report

      This one is good in that it recaps his minor league career: http://royalreportcard.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-i-still-belive-in-chris-lubanski.html

      Nice one from KG in 2007: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5544&nocache=1246968861&sessionstatus=notloggedin&mode=login

      This article also has a blurb from KG: http://kansascity.sbnation.com/2011/6/3/2203564/kansas-city-royals-had-horrible-draft-record-before-dayton-moores

  2. Triple for Pointer is good.
    Also good to have the Dugan triple and Altherr homer. Lino Martinez had a really good start.
    Extra-base hit for Franco is nice. Bonilla’s sudden 5-walk game is confusing. Hopefully given his prior very good walk rate this year it’s just an aberration.
    Mattair’s SB is odd but welcome, and Valle’s homer is nice. May’s strikeouts are just sick.
    Pretty strong outing for Cloyd.
    Nice two hits for Overbeck and great to see Galvis triple.

    1. Altherr has homered in 3 straight games.

      Bonilla may be hearing rumors he’s the PTBNL. It can be a bit distracting.

      1. I saw Altherr’ s homer. It was a titantic blast to left field that cleared the top of the scoreboard by plenty and went into the amusement park next to the stadium. The TV announcer stated that It was his 5th hr of the season but it was so far it should count for both his 5th and 6th.

      2. I don’t know what I’d think if Bonilla’s the PTBNL. Better than if it were Santana- that would really piss me off. I suppose that wouldn’t be too awful, but I’m hoping it’s a non-prospect or at least a reliever.

  3. People on this site seem to value strikeouts, but they increase pitch counts. Getting guys to make weak contact early in the count will allow you to get deeper into games. I think the assumption here is that strikeouts for a pitching prospect show an ability to miss bats that bodes well for success at higher levels.

    1. Inducing swing and misses seems to be an ability which translates and projects well. It’s also the one skill that, if you have enough of it, will be all you really need. For an extreme example, think Randy Johnson. I once looked at his peripherials, and he was below average on everything: BABIP, HR/FB%, BB%, etc, etc, but he was so dominant in getting swings and misses he was one of the best pitchers of his era.

    2. It really doesn’t increase pitch counts that much unless you get strikeouts by trying to get guys to chase all the time and walk a bunch of people in the process. Kershaw, Lee, Halladay, and Hamels are 1st, 4th, 6th, and 8th in the NL in strikeouts as a percentage of batters faced and have thrown the 11th, 6th, 10th, and 4th fewest pitches per inning of qualified starters. Even weak contact can bloop in for a hit and reset the count.

  4. Reigning No.1 – OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.333) 1 for 4 with a BB, K

    Current Mid-season Top 30

    1. RHP – Trevor May (CLW-9/23/89)- (8-6, 3.40) – 5 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 10 K
    3. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.308) – 1 for 3 with a HR (5), 3 RBI (37)
    5. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.273) 1 for 4 with a K
    6. OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.252) – 0 for 4 with a K
    8. RHP – Justin De Fratus (LHV-10/21/87) – (2-1, 4.50, 2 SV) –1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
    9. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.250) –1 for 4 with a 3B (1), run, RBI (1)
    10. 3B – Maikel Franco (LWD-8/26/92) – (.250) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (1), run, K
    13. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.282) – 1 for 3 with a CS (11)
    14. RHP – Michael Schwimer (LHV-2/19/86) – (7-1, 1.73, 10 SV) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 T, 0 BB, 2 K (save)
    15. SS – Tyler Greene (GCL-12/1/92) – (.250) 0 for 3 with a BB, run, 2 K’s
    16. RHP – Lisalberto Bonilla (LWD-6/6/90) – (2-3, 2.39) – 4 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 5 K
    17. 3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.259) – 1 for 4 with a K
    20. OF – Brian Pointer (GCL-1/28/92) – (.260) – 1 or 3 with a 3B (3), 2 RBI (18), run
    21. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.295) – 1 for 4 with a 3B (3), run, 2 RBI (20), K
    22. RHP – Austin Hyatt (REA-5/23/86) – (10-5, 3.76) – 6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 12 K’s
    23. 3B – Carlos Rivero (LHV-5/20/88) –(.125) 0 for 4 with a BB, K
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.286) – 1 for 6 with a 2 BB, 2 K
    27. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.280) – 1 for 4 with a HR (4), 2 RBI (19), K
    29. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.254) –0 for 4 with a K
    30a. 2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.189) 0 for 4
    30b. OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.268) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (17), run, 2 BB, 2 K

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.226) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (8), run, 2 RBI (17), K
    2B – Alejandro Villalobos (GCL/8/20/91) – (.276) 0 for 4
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.245) 0 for 3 with a BB
    3B – Willians Astudillo (VSL-10/14/91) –(.359) 0 for 4 with a K
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.254) 2 for 3 with a BB, K
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL-2/2/94) – (.273) – 0 for 2
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.242) – 0 for 4 with a K
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL-6/10/94) – (.277) – 1 for 3
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (REA-9/17/85) – (4-5, 4.64) –2 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 ER, BB, 3 K (loss)
    RHP – Tyler Cloyd (REA-5/16/87) – (3-3, 3.04) – 7 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K
    RHP – Eric Pettis (CLW-6/9/88) – (1-2, 3.00, 3 SV) –1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    RHP – Juary Gomez (WIL-5/23/90) – (3-0, 2.39, 6 SV) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    RHP – Lino Martinez (WIL-9/17/92) – (5-2, 2.91) – 6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K (win)
    RHP – Hector Neris (WIL-6/14/89) – (1-1, 1.13) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB, K
    RHP – Colton Murray (WIL-4/22/90) – (0-2, 3.78) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB, K
    RHP – Ramon Oviedo (GCL-7/24/90) – (3-1, 3.07) 6 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

  5. What does Cloyd have to do to be considered a ‘prospect’? He’s having a great year with solid peripherals.

    1. Excellent question. Very similar numbers to…dare I say Kendrick, when he was at Reading.

    2. He’s a little old to be considered a prospect at AA. I also don’t think scouts see anything to get really excited about (please correct me if I’m wrong). I was high on him in 2009 when he was at LKW and was subsequently very disappointed when he performed poorly at CLW.

      He’s pitching well but has the best BB/9 of his career by far. Among Eastern League pitchers with more than 70IP, he has the second best BB/9 in the league at 0.97. That’s microscopic (the median is 2.9 BB/9). It seems unsustainable to me, but if he has suddenly developed elite control, then great. I think he will have to prove himself year after year to get a look.

      1. I believe Cloyd would be considered a prospect of sorts. Got him as Rule 5 eligible after season. If he is protected and/or selected in the offseason, that wil indicate how much, in a way.

      2. He may be old For Reading but he was also drafted out o high school in 2008 so its not as if he has stagnated at levels for a while. He was a 21 yearold highschool graduate, which you dont see very often.

          1. Oh i figured something weird like that happened. His milb profile only listed him being picked out of college. Then I guess he has kinda stagnated.

  6. Cloyd doesn’t get much love in the organization or on this site. He does everything that’s asked of him. He’ll start, relieve. He’ll pitch in CLW or Reading. I’ve been watching him to see if he becomes the next Stutes. Right now he looks like a starter the Phils like to plug into whatever slot that’s needed. I thought he’d be moved up to LHV when they had all the injuries and Brian Gordon opted out of his contract. I wouldn’t mind seeing him promoted to LHV to see if he can get guys out. I’ve never seen him live so I can’t say if he has the right stuff.

      1. He’s the same age as Worley, so the ship has sailed on him being that guy. Also, Kendrick was 22 when he was in AA.

        Don’t get me wrong though, I like Cloyd.

        1. I meant a guy pitching in AAA who gets spot starts when someone goes down. A 6th starter, which is what Worley was at the start of the season.

    1. I agree, Cloyd doesn’t get much love. His numbers are solid and I’d like to see him get a chance in LHV. We know guys like Cosart, May, etc. have the high speed fast ball, and that apparently Cloyd’s sits around 89-91. I’m not trying to compare them as pitchers, but if Cosart or May had a line like Cloyd last night, all of us on this site would be raving. I just think it’s great to see pitchers like Cloyd come out with solid lines all year without throwing 97. It shows he really knows how to pitch, and obviously his BB/K ratio proves he’s completely in control of his command. I consider him a prospect on that.

  7. For Mitch/JSlasher or anybody watching Williamsport.

    Is Altherr finally getting it? I’m starting to see good numbers from him. How is he looking in person? I know his 2011 started off bad but he is young and hoping maybe he can turn it around.

    1. I saw him play the first game of the series–besides hitting a long home run (it seems like all these home runs have been bombs to left) he was on base a couple of other times and made very good use of his speed. Made a nice running catch in left. I came away very impressed, though of course it was just one game.

    2. I think he’s getting it. Not sure if his first two HR’s in Brooklyn clear the field in Williamsport, but the one he hit last night literally was still rising when it went out of sight.

  8. Williamsport getting some good pitching…Lino Martinez with a 5-2 record and a sub 3 ERA. Schwimer is Schwimer as he gets the save. Good to see Galvis get hits in his first two games at AAA. Hyatt still pitching well. Cloyd with a good start but no support. Clearwater getting support from make shift outfield of Tripp, 2 HRs, and Hankerd, Hr in consecutive days, Good to see Valle with a blast.

  9. I saw Cloyd pitch live a few weeks back in Trenton. I think I said then here that he looked like a guy that relied on command. Nothing amazing with his FB, nothing special about his curve. Having said that you can see the guy knows how to pitch. That game he was lights out through 5 then the wheels started to come off for him.

    He has a future if he gets a chance as a middle reliever I would say. His challenge will be getting someone to give him that chance.

    Go Sebastian, go and claim that #1 prospect status in the organization. I just love this kids attitude and swagger.

  10. Ruben on Galvis’ promotion to LHV, “we’ve got to find out if he’s ready to handle the next level,”

    1. It really sounds like they’re preparing possible backup plans for Rollins leaving in the offseason. Maybe something along the lines of signing a journeyman and having him and Galvis compete for the starting job in Spring Training.

  11. Lino was apparently sitting in the high 80s with his FB. While this might not seem all that impressive, he is still 18 years old and in his 2nd season over here in the US. Being a lefty, he also won’t need to have his FB sitting in the mid-90s for it to be a plus-pitch, and hopefully he can push it up to 91-92 over the next few years. He is definitely a guy to watch, as he will likely be one of the youngest pitchers in Clearwater next year.

    1. Watched the Williamsport game on TV last night. Martinez sat 87-89 through the sixth inning and touched 91/92 a very few times. He looked lost on the first hitter of the game. The second hitter swung at a horrible 3-1 pitch and grounded into a double play, and Martinez was pretty much untouchable from that point forward. Asche looked good starting the DP.

      Altherr’s homer was a bomb. Saw his speed in the outfield and it was like he was just gliding out there. Insane.

      Dugan’s triple should have been a flyout to the right fielder, just wasn’t handled well. Still, he smoked the ball and ran it out.

      Cutters with only six hits in the game, and five of them came consecutively in the third inning, capped off with Altherr’s homer. The only other hit was an infield single by Martinez. Martinez also made a mental error in the field where he just seemed to be very nonchalant on a grounder that we wound up fumbling and allowing the runner to reach base. Other than that, he looked fine.

      Stassi’s two stolen bases weren’t too impressive. He picked a good pitch to run on (curve in the dirt) when he took off for second and was steal almost out. He would’ve been out by a mile at third with a decent throw, but the throw nearly went to LF.

      1. Cutters game was on SNY in New York City, as the Mets had the night off.

        Martinez was very impressive. Doesn’t light up the gun, but has a terrific variety of offspeed pitches and a very smooth, repeatable delivery, Bobby Ojeda loved the kid on the SNY telecast, his variety of offerings were very advanced for an 18-year old. Keep in mind that the Cyclones are one of those “we want to win” minor league outfits because they draw so well. Lot of 22-24 year olds in the Cyclone lineup.

        I missed the Cutters big 5-run inning. Was impressed with Asche and Dugan at the plate. They showed good pitch recognition and the ability to drive balls very well. Asche made a tremendous play at 2b, went far to his right on a ball smoked up the middle and threw a strike to first while on the move.

        Harold Martinez looks the part. Balls jump off his bat and he looks like a classic 3B on defense. He did muff one last night pretty badly and then nearly threw wildly, an ill-advised decision to throw.

        Altherr looks like a tremendous athlete and apparently really smoked his HR. I saw his other AB’s and his pitch recognition really needs work.

        Bobby Ojeda was very impressed with all of the Cutter pitchers, said it looked to him like the Phillies really emphasize movement with their minor league pitchers and all throw good two-seam fastballs.

  12. How is it possible with all the guys we have dealt the past four years, we still have a guy like May with lights out potential I have liked him a little more than Cosart and was ok with giving up Cosart as long as we kept May.
    Geat night for Pettis, Schwimmer, and Martinez.
    Gotta love the potential of Valle. This kid is a hitter. I am intrigued by Franco. Overall, this has been a geat year for the system in terms of development of prospects. Having said that, there is still a wave of guys who have done nothing this year and could jump up next year: Colvin, Eldemire, Garner, and Gillies to name a few.

  13. Trevor May is now second in the entire minor leagues with 169 K’s to only Ed Cabrera who has 175 K’s. Matt Moore is 3rd with 160K’s.

  14. don’t know about ed cabrera but matt moore is a top-notch prospect for the rays. so may is in elite company there.

    1. I’m not usally part of the promote a player crowd after a couple good games but why not give May a shot in Reading before the year is out?

      1. Because he has a history of failing when promoted too rapidly. There is no rush – I would rather he continue to dominate and work on his command. He needs to reduce the walks.

        1. This is his 2nd stint at Clearwater. I think he has firmly established that he can dominate hitters in the FSL. I just don’t see the harm in a 1 month promotion to get his feet wet.

        2. Do you remember Bob Walk, who started and won the first game of the 1980 World Series of the Phillies? May reminds me of him. He was a fifth starter over a lengthy career with the Phillies and Pirates. He never had great control, which kept hitters off balance. May is not going to change. I don’t think he will ever be a one to three starter without great command, but he will be a major leaguer with a chance at a good career.

    1. Good piece—I guess come August 11/12th we will know more. Phillies, and their entourage, leave LA on Wednesday evening after their game at 1200PM local and back in Philly Thursday. Maybe Garvey will stay in town for the Nats series and sign.

  15. great article over at csnphilly.com about the high hopes to get multiple guys signed. very encoraging and exciting news.

  16. I might be late to the party but there is an article on csn.com that says RHP Kenny Giles has signed and Marti Wolever feels confident L.Greene, R.Quinn, and M.Walding will sign. “I’m confident we have a chance to get these done” “I feel real good about Walding. We spent a lot of time with him and his family prior to the draft and after it. He wants to play pro.” But J.Overbey will not sign “We can’t meet the demands,” Wolever said. “They’re totally unrealistic. That’s not going to happen.”

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