Open Discussion: Week of August 24th

Terrible week.  Seven games in six days.  Five losses sandwiched by two wins.  And their most effective relief pitcher went on the Injured List after taking a line drive to the groin and suffering a testicular contusion.

The Phillies made a couple trades aimed at bolstering their “worst-in-baseball” bullpen.  They added David Hale from the Yankees for Addison Russ.  In the “bigger deal”, they procured Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree from the Red Sox for Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold.  They also received $815K plus a player to be named later (PTBNL).

Workman was pressed into service the day he arrived and blew a save and took the loss Saturday night.  He earned a save Sunday when he only blew half the lead he inherited.  I guess these deals make the bullpen stronger.  I still faces there that I would rather see replaced with younger faces.  But, we’ll see.

The Phillies are 10-14 .417 in fifth place, 4.0 games behind the Braves.  They hold 4 games in hand on the Braves.

The Phillies have the second worst record in the National League.  However, they are only 1.0 game back in the wild card race.  If the bullpen shows some sort of improvement over the remaining games, a post season berth is not out of the question.  With winning percentage determining playoff position, we should consider them 1.5 games back since they have a losing record.

If the season ended Sunday, the Giants would be the seventh seed.

The Phillies have an off day Monday.  Then, continue on the road with three games at Washington.  They return home for a three game weekend series with Atlanta.  Six very important games.  (They follow that with four games each against the Nationals and Mets.)

David Hale was the third round selection of the Atlanta Braves in 2009 out of Princeton University.  He is in his age 32 season and was a “super two”.  He has 3 more seasons of arbitration before reaching free agency after the 2023 season.  His 2020 salary is $800K (adjusted to $296,296).

Hale reached the majors in 2013.  From 2013 thru 2019 with Atlanta, Colorado, Minnesota, and the Yankees, he had a 13-10 record in 90 games (20 starts), 4.27 ERA, and 2 saves in 230.0 IP with a 1.426 WHIP, 9.9 H9, 2.9 BB9, and 5.9 K9.  He’s no stranger to the transaction wire having bounced back an forth between the majors and AAA often.  He had a lumbar strain in 2019 and a calf injury that hampered him in 2016 when he was in the Orioles system.

Brandon Workman was the second round selection of the Boston Red Sox in 2010 out of the University of Texas (Austin).  Ironically, he was selected by the Phillies in the third round in 2007.  He is in his age 31 season.  He is on a one-year, $3.5M contract (adjusted to $1,296,3296).  He is a free agent after this season.

He also reached the majors in 2013.  From 2013 thru 2019 with Boston, he had a 24-16 record in 188 games (18 starts), 3.74 ERA, and 16 saves in 281.10 IP with a 1.262 WHIP, 7.4 H9, 3.9 BB9, and 9.4 K9.  He’s also no stranger to the transaction wire.  He was placed on the DL in April of 2015 with right elbow strain, and later diagnosed with a partially torn right elbow ligament in June 2015 and eventually had TJ surgery.  He began rehab assignments in July 2016.  He bounced back-and-forth between the Sox and AAA thru August 2018.  He was injury-free in 2019 and remained on the Sox active roster all season.

Heath Hembree was the fifth round selection of the San Francisco Giants in 2010 out of the College of Charleston.  He has one more arbitration year remaining.  He becomes a free agent after the 2021 season.  He is on a one-year, $1.6125M contract (adjusted to $597,222).

He also reached the majors in 2013.  He was traded to Boston in 2014 as part of the deal for Jake Peavy.  From 2013 thru 2019, he had a 13-5 record in 249 games with a 3.52 ERA and 2 saves in 255.2 innings with a 1.353 WHIP, 8.8 H9, 3.4 BB9, and 9.6 K9.  He bounced between the Sox and AAA until playing full seasons in the majors in 2017 and 2018.  He missed some time in 2019 with 2 stints on the IL with a right elbow extensor strain and right lateral elbow inflammation.  His only other trip to the DL occurred in 2015 with right shoulder inflammation.

All three new acquisitions are out of options.

In order to get these guys, we gave up Nick Pivetta, which no one seems to lament, and two young pitchers Addison Russ and Connor Seabold.

Addison Russ had bullpen potential.  He was drafted by the Phillies in the 19th round of the 2017 draft.  He had a mid-90s fastball and a slider.  He had nice numbers as he progressed thru the organization.

  • ’17, WPT- 0-0, 8.10 ERA, 0 SV in 2 G, 3.1 IP with 1.800 WHIP, 13.5 H9, 2.7 BB9, 10.8 K9
  • ’17, LAK-  1-2, 3.49 ERA, 1 SV in 15 G, 28.1 IP with 1.200 WHIP, 8.3 H9, 2.5 BB9, 11.4 K9
  • ’18, LAK- 5-2, 1.67 ERA, 13 SV in 25 G, 32.1 IP with 0.711 WHIP, 5.3 H9, 1.1 BB9, 10.3 K9
  • ’18, CLR- 4-0, 1.69 ERA, 14 SV in 29 G, 32.0 IP with 1.125 WHIP, 7.0 H9, 3.1 BB9, 11.8 K9
  • ’19, REA- 5-6, 2.54 ERA, 22 SV in 55 G, 56.2 IP with 1.182 WHIP, 7.5 H9, 3.2 BB9, 12.9 K9

Connor Seabold had back of the rotation potential.  He was drafted by the Phillies in the third round of the 2017 draft.  He had a low 90s fastball with a change up and curve ball.

  • ’17, WPT – 2-0, 0.90 ERA in 5 G, 10.0 IP with 0.700 WHIP, 4.5 H9, 1.8 BB9, 11.7 K9
  • ’18, CLR – 4-4, 3.77 ERA in 12 G, 71.2 IP with 0.991 WHIP, 7,2 H9, 1.8 BB9, 8.5 K9
  • ’18, REA – 1-4, 4.91 ERA in 11 G, 58.2 IP with 1.261 WHIP, 8.4 H9, 2.9 BB9, 9.8 K9
  • ’19, GCL – 0-1 in 2 G, 7.1 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 12 K
  • ’19, CLR – 1-0, 1.00 ERA in 2 G, 9.0 IP with 4 H, 1 BB, 10 K
  • ’19, REA – 3-1, 2.25 ERA in 7 G, 40.0 IP with 1.125 WHIP, 7.9 H9, 2.3 BB9, 8.1 K9
  • ’19, AZFL – 1-0, 1.06 ERA in 4 G, 17.0 IP with 0.588 WHIP, 3.7 H9, 1.6 BB9, 11.6 K9

I would have liked to have seen both these guys get a shot.  Russ’ big arm might have looked good in the bullpen.  Seabold really impressed against top prospects in the Arizona Fall league.  I would have liked to see him contend for the 4 or 5 spot in the rotation.

One consideration could have been Rule 5 protection.  Russ and Seabold are eligible for the draft this winter.  Pivetta and Edgar Garcia who was traded earlier both would have required Rule 5 protection.  The Phillies have 38-39 players who will Rule 5 eligible for the first time.

Interesting first timers include – Adam Haseley and Connor Brogdon (if not on the 40), Damon Jones, Austin Listi, Nick Maton, Mickey Moniak, Kyle Dohy, Jake Hernandez, David Parkinson, Josh Stephen (all Reading), Andrew Brown, Francisco Morales, Zach Warren, Kyle Young, Simon Muzziotti, Kevin Gowdy, Jhordany Mezquita, Juan Aparicio, Cole Stobbe (all Clearwater).

The PTBNL may have already been agreed upon.  They may have pushed back the announcement until the end of the season.  Any player traded this season has to be placed on the 60-man player pool.  Delaying the announcement allows flexibility with all those empty slots in Allentown.

I shared an article on Twitter by KRAM 207.  In it he provides information from the Alternate Training Site.  He also live tweets during “games” when he can.

This is the Phuture Phillies Open Discussion for Phillies and other baseball topics.

Key Dates:

  • August 31, 2020 – Trade Deadline
  • September 15, 2020 – Deadline for players to be added to Major League roster for postseason eligibility
  • September 28-October 1, 2020 – Minor League Baseball Innovators Summit, Winston-Salem, NC
  • September 30, 2020 – Expiration of the Professional Baseball Agreement between MLB and MiLB
  • October 15, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT – Close of the 2019 international signing period
  • October TBA – Trading resumes, day after the World Series ends
  • October – November TBA, five days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for teams to make qualifying offers to their eligible former players who became free agents
  • November TBA, fifteen days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for free agents to accept qualifying offers
  • November TBA – GM Meetings (Nov. 11-14, Scottsdale, AZ in 2019)
  • November TBA – Owners meetings (Nov. 19-21, Arlington, TX in 2019)
  • November 20, 2020 – Rosters set for Rule 5 Draft
  • November TBA – MLBPA executive board meeting (Nov. 26-29 in Irving, TX in 2018)
  • December 2, 2019 – Last day for teams to offer 2021 contracts to unsigned players on their 40-man rosters
  • December 6-10, 2020 – Winter Meetings in Dallas, Texas, at the Omni Dallas Hotel and Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center Dallas, held in conjunction with the Baseball Trade Show and PBEO Job Fair.
  • December 10, 2020 – Rule 5 Draft
  • January TBA – Rookie Career Development Program
  • January 15, 2021, 9:00 AM EST – Start of the 2020 international signing period

The rosters and lists are up to date as of August 22nd … 346 players in the org

Transactions (newest transactions are in bold print)

8/22/2020 – Phillies optioned Cole Irvin to Alternate Training Site
8/22/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Deolis Guerra for assignment
8/22/2020 – Phillies placed RF Jay Bruce on the 10-day IL
8/22/2020 – Phillies activated CF Adam Haseley from the 10-day IL
8/22/2020 – Phillies optioned Connor Brogdon to Alternate Training Site
8/21/2020 – Red Sox traded RHPs Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree, $815K, and a PTBNL to Phillies for RHPs Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold
8/21/2020 – Phillies recalled LHP JoJo Romero from Alternate Training Site
8/21/2020 – Phillies optioned LHP JoJo Romero to Alternate Training Site
8/21/2020 – Phillies designated LHP Austin Davis for assignment
8/21/2020 – Phillies placed LHP Jose Alvarez on the 10-day IL, testicular contusion
8/21/2020 – Yankees traded RHP David Hale to Phillies for RHP Addison Russ
8/20/2020 – Phillies recalled LHP JoJo Romero from Alternate Training Site
8/20/2020 – Phillies optioned RHP Ramon Rosso to Alternate Training Site
8/20/2020 – Phillies optioned RF Kyle Garlick to Alternate Training Site
8/20/2020 – Phillies activated RHP Reggie McClain from the 10-day IL
8/20/2020 – Phillies recalled LHP Cole Irvin from Alternate Training Site
8/18/2020 – Phillies traded RHP Edgar Garcia to Tampa Bay Rays for PTBNL
8/18/2020 – Phillies activated CF Roman Quinn from the 10-day IL
8/17/2020 – Phillies optioned LHP JoJo Romero to Alternate Training Site
8/16/2020 – Phillies recalled RF Kyle Garlick from Alternate Training Site
8/16/2020 – Phillies placed CF Roman Quinn on the 10-day IL
8/15/2020 – Cincinnati claimed LF Nick Williams off waivers from Phillies
8/14/2020 – Phillies recalled LHP JoJo Romero from Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies sent RHP Enyel De Los Santos outright to Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies sent RHP Trevor Kelley outright to Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies optioned LHP Austin Davis to Alternate Training Site
8/13/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of 3B Alec Bohm from Alternate Training Site
8/13/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Edgar Garcia for assignment
8/13/2020 – Phillies invited non-roster RHP JD Hammer to spring training
8/13/2020 – Phillies placed CF Adam Haseley on the 10-day IL retro to 8/12, wrist sprain
8/12/2020 – LHP Corey Phelan assigned to Williamsport
8/12/2020 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Corey Phelan to a minor league contract
8/11/2020 – Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Alternate Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Connor Brogdon from Alt. Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Blake Parker from Alternate Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies designated LF Nick Williams for assignment
8/11/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Trevor Kelley for assignment

297 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of August 24th

  1. These next six games (3 at Washington & 3 with the Braves at CBP) could make or break the Phillies 2020 season. Not only will they conclude the half way mark (30 games), they also coincide with the trade deadline (Monday afternoon Sept 1). If the Phillies show life/win four or five of the six games, Matt Klentak may stand pat or even add more pieces. If, OTOH, the club loses four or five games, the GM may be forced to sell (maybe Arrieta/Workman/Didi). Someone (Ciada?) even suggested dealing JTR and then re-signing him this winter (I’d be fine with that if he brought back a top prospect).
    The vibe I’m getting from this team is that they will have a good week. I believe they’ll win at least four games this week. While I was hoping Klentak would flip Pivetta for Mychal Givens, the two arms he got from the BoSox are major upgrades to the Phillies pen. Hembree was impressive last night. I really like Workman. I give him a pass for this weekend’s debut. He threw almost 30 pitches Saturday night, and was asked to pitch again Sunday night. I’m pretty confident Workman will be an effective closer for the team for the remainder of the year. Also happy too see JoJo Romero get a shot, and look good Friday night.

    1. The Phillies need to go at least 4-2 in the next 6 games. Unfortunately, the Phillies will likely face Corbin and Sherzer in the next 3 days.

  2. For Hinkie: I might have missed your answer but do the Phillies get draft pick compensation if we don’t sign either JT or Didi if we make them the qualifying offer ?

    1. I’m certain teams signing QO FA’s will not lose draft picks.
      I’m not certain about compensation for clubs losing FA’s. I believe they will get the usual draft pick compensation, but I haven’t been able to find anything to verify that.

        1. bishop … I have found confirmation that “yes” teams who lose QO FA’s will get draft pick compensation in the 2021 draft.

          1. Thank you…..I’d rather it not come to that but its better thn nothing. However, if we completely butcher this next week of games I can see the Phillies maybe going on a fire sale then possibly resigning him JT after the season.

  3. Might be time to cash in your Mike Trout rookie cards.

  4. I was unplugged for the weekend returned from CO last night to find the Phillies were playing a late game. Bohm has been everything you want from a 3 overall pick with the bat. But wow he is not going to stick at 3B I now agree.

    Then I start hearing we made a trade with the Red Sox and full on panic sets in. Allowing MK to deal with Bloom is akin to letting a 9 year old play with matches and gas.

    A 2 sec google search brought a sigh of relief. If he made that trade on his own it wasn’t bad.

    1. Before we induct Sixto into the HOF based on 1 start, can somebody tell me which prospect we traded that really came back to haunt us in the last 20 years? At the top of my head, it’s either JA Happ or Michael Bourn.

      And if it’s only those 2, the Phillies track record for trading away prospects are pretty damn good. If Sixto hits in the last 20 years, I’ll take that percentage.

      1. True……there are none that really developed into impact players.
        Along with Happ and Bourn, maybe Villar, or D’Arnaud…….all serviceable players.
        Jury still out on Franco, Cesar (let go as FA and Freddy.

      2. For me it’s less about what Sixto’s career is going to be and more about we should/could have received a player in return under more years of control.

        Even with the benefit of hindsight JT wasn’t putting the roster as it was constituted into the WS last year or this year. Did it make them more fun to watch sure it did. Lipstick on a pig analogy applies.

        1. DMAR….mentioning JTR’s arrival last year and how it did not contribute to a WS, reminded of the story I heard about GM Branch Rickey from back in the early 50s and HR king Ralph Kiner.
          Kiner, now a perennial HR leader and all-star, wanted more money since he led the league in HRs the year before… Rickey traded him to the Cubs mid-summer……and Rickey said, paraphrased….”we finished in 8th place (last place in the NL) with Ralph and we can finish in 8th place without Ralph”.

        2. What kind of an argument is that? JT did his job when he got here. It’s irrelevant what the other people do. You’re paying for his production and he produced.

          If you want to make that same analogy, then why did the Angels pay Trout all that money? They are still not making the playoffs right?

          And I’m pretty sure a lot of people on this board before the season started had thought that the Phillies would be at least make the playoffs, especially after signing Wheeler.

          1. LOL that’s a great story Romus I forgot about that one…

            @Guru I am being genuine. I love JT I didn’t like the move without an extension at the time and there were quite a few of us that said the same.

            It’s nothing against JT he is a great player. I wouldn’t be upset with him at all if he didn’t resign.

            As for the Angels I said the same thing when they re-signed Trout but I’m also not sure you can trade the best player in baseball and ever come out on the right side of that deal. As an Angels fan you just have to be happy the best player in baseball wore your uniform but Mike won’t be that for the length of that contract.

            Juxtapose that with the Betts deal (arguably) the second best player in baseball. The Dodgers can legit make that move because they are right there. Plus Friedman set himself up quite well to make a move like that by being frugal with his prospects and cost controlled players.

            MK is just not on that level. He never will be. It’s like expecting Bohm to be #20 with the glove he can work at all he wants its never going to be. You aptly pointed that out a few weeks ago.

            1. Sadly, Trout may be one of those few Hall of Famers that may never win a championship…or for that matter, may never even be in a World Series .
              Yankees, and few other teams seem to be positioning themselves up well in the AL for long runs.

  5. Any one hear who or if the Phillies plan to add/replace on the 60 man? With the last trade,
    Russ and Seabold. Their are other minor league players that could use the training, not loose a year. I don”t mean a light hitting .140 infielder or another young potential/future prospect I mean some one who is reaching potential but new to the New Regime loosing because of COVI-19
    Help ALL Phillies

    1. Carlos C.(career 20bWAR) may be the only player traded who can be considered an impact player…Happ (22bWAR) may be also on the cusp—though 14 seasons. .

  6. Bohm’s bat is going to play at the big league level but he’s not a an everyday 3rd baseman… Other than 1st where; LF? Don’t we have enough OF’s already…Klentak may get creative with a trade.. Tell me that play at home for the final out isn’t why we keep getting drawn back to baseball! Wow!!

    1. For 2021, it should be Cutch (last year of his contract) in LF, Haseley/Quinn in CF, Harper in RF.

      For 2022, it could be Bohm in LF.

  7. Earlier today (in last week’s Open Thread) Eric D asked, “What value does JTR have as far as trade value goes . . . ?” I think that is a great question, and worth looking into.
    First, the question will be moot if the Phillies win at least three games this week (before next Monday’s trade deadline). However, if the the train comes completely off the rails (club loses 5 games), Klentak will have to seriously consider selling, while still reassuring JTR and the fans the team will be prepared to do whatever it takes to re-sign the all-star backstop this winter. Ciada used the NYYs-Aroldis Chapman example this weekend. In 2016, Brian Cashman made the shrewd maneuver of swapping Chapman to the Cubs for Gleyber Torres (and others) only to bring back the premier closer in free agency a few months later.
    I have felt teams would be less likely to give up top prospects for rental players this summer because there is no guarantee that the league will be able to crown a WS winner. That said, Klentak would have to at least gauge interest. There are quite a few playoff bound teams who could absolutely use Realmuto. They include: Padres, Twins, Indians, Rays, Yankees, and maybe even the LAD’s (who have moved all of their chips into the middle of the table). Some of those organizations are at the top of the farm rankings.
    In a normal year, and working off what the Yankees got for Chapman, Realmuto could likely net the Phillies probably something like this:

    * Padres for Adrian Morejon or Joey Lucchesi
    * Rays for Brett Honeywell or Shane Baz
    * Twins for Jordan Balazovic
    * Dodgers for Dustin May or Tony Gonsolin
    * Yankees for Clarke Schmidt

    If I could rent JTR for Morejon, May, Gonsolin, Baz or Honeywell (if healthy) (in that order), I’d do it. Again, I would spend whatever it takes to re-sign Realmuto this winter.

    1. BTW … the LAD’s would never trade Dustin May for 30 regular season games + playoff games … but … I’d still ask for him.

    2. Okay. Let’s take this to the next step, albeit one we do not prefer.

      Let’s say the trade is for Honeywell. And, let’s say the Phillies are unable to sign JTR in the off season.

      Should they (and the fans) be happy with a trade that could eventually be defined as Sanchez for Honeywell? (This question can also be applied to the other players you mention.)

      That would relegate Alfaro and Stewart as the cost for two years of JTR.

      (We should also keep in mind that there are no guarantees that JTR will re-sign here. So getting something back in trade would replace the comp pick.)

      1. I just think JTR is going to take the highest offer. If the Phillies make him the biggest offer, whether he is a current Phillie or a rented player on another club, I believe he’ll sign back here. Certainly Middleton and Klentak would need to sit down with him, and get his input.
        Again, I think this is all probably moot because I feel the Phillies are about to play well enough to remain playoff contenders this week. However, if things fall apart, Klentak should pull a page from Brian Cashman’s playbook. Having both Realmuto and either Adrian Morejon or Tony Gonsolin in red pinstripes the next four seasons (beginning in 2021) would be a major coup for the beleaguered Phillies GM.

        1. Hinkie…I think you hit it spot on , on the 5 teams that would need JTR to get them to the WS or a ring.
          I do not know how many, however, of the five who will be able to afford JTR’s contract long term once he does hit free agency.
          –Dodgers have Bellinger and Beuhler on the horizon, along now with Betts.
          –Yankees need to make a decision on Judge and Sanchez before 2021.
          –Padres…cannot see it with Manny, Hosmer but maybe if JTR lowers his price
          –Rays and Twins….too small a market and Twins do not want to go the Joe Mauer route again.

          1. We have a pretty good catcher in the system named Marchan that if you ask me looks like he belongs. He’s no JTR at the plate but he will make enough contact to be service-able and we’ve all seen him catch and throw.

            Am I allowed to comp him to Yadier yet 🙂

            Dodgers have Ruiz too and he also looks like he is close not WS close but close.

            1. DMAR….you make good points with Marchan.
              The glove/arm are there…the offense is pure contact with 40 power, but I suppose you can live with his bat at the bottom of the lineup if all the other questionable pieces collectively come around offensively…..Bohm, Hoskins, Kingery , Stott and Haseley.
              Then there is “I-want-to-see-more” of a sign towards a break-out for Andrew Knapp. Maybe the light has gone on for him.

        2. I think JTR stays put regardless of how well or poorly the Phillies fare this week. Klentak doesn’t have the moxy to play poker with the big boys (including Realmuto and his agent) and navigate these uncharted waters.

      2. Honeywell…is he even recovered from the surgery?
        Because of his later age due to injury time missed….going to be 26 in the spring…the Phillies would have control over him until he was in his early 30s.
        The downside…..he may not be able to throw his bread- and -butter pitch… the excellent screwball.
        Big gamble on Honeywell IMO.

      3. I could be wrong but I don’t think Friedman is giving proper value for JTR. Historically he is of the same mindset that I am which is you can get by at catcher with good catch and throw guys.

        I’d also be surprised if he thinks he needs him to win the WS. Not that he wouldn’t take him but like Hinkie is saying you need proper value in return to make the deal.

        I think you look worse trading him for crappola rather that just hanging on for the compensation.

  8. Has anyone traveled recently? I just completed a quick in and out from Philly to Denver and boys what a bewildering experience that was….

    We are truly off of our rocking chairs…

    In my best Forrest Gump voice “and that’s all I have to say about that”

  9. So, yes, Brian Cashman pulled this off for Chapman. Does anyone believe that Matt Klentak could? And, this is a maneuver we want from a GM who may very well not be here next year? Sure, getting any of those guys Hinkie mentioned, and getting JTR signed in the off season, would be a coup. One that I have no faith Klentak can manage. It is much more believable that Klentak gets 3 medium guys and JTR signs elsewhere.

  10. Here is what I find most remarkable about this “rebuild”…we started the rebuild with Aaron Nola and made two massive FA acquisitions and one massive trade and Harper, Wheeler and JTR have all been best case scenario production. And we still have this crappy roster. They missed on basically everyone else.

  11. v1, so, is that evaluating talent, or developing talent? I haven’t given up on Hoskins or Kingery, and it seems that you are correct on Bohm not being a 3B, but he can hit. But your point is accurate. There are far too few pieces after all this time.

    1. Yeah. I love Bohm’s bat. And I think that he will be a fine corner OF. I think that he is a long term piece. But he only has 39 mlb plate appearances so not ready to go too far on him. I have always been a big Rhys fan. And I think that he is a serviceable player. I am not high on Kingery.

      I think it all comes down to draft and development. I have said many times that I am not a fan of Almaraz’s approach. Up until the 2018 draft, when he seemed to change his approach. He had an affinity for soft tossing control pitchers. And so our system is bereft of power arms. And he seemed to be a bad judge of the hit tool. We missed on many high picks who were supposed to have great hit tools.

    2. We got basically nothing (besides Kingery whose production has been bleh) out of the 2015 and 2016 drafts. We should have several contributors by now from those drafts. At least a few bullpen arms. But nothing.

    3. It’s developing talent. You would figure that just by the law of averages, the Phillies would be able to have at least 1-2 league average non-pitchers. Haseley/Quinn in CF could be league average. Hoskins and Kingery are certainly not league average.

      As for the pitchers, Eflin is at least league average. And Neris for the most part has been most of his career.

      Do the Phillies need more? Of course. The Phillies wouldn’t be in last place if Hoskins/Kingery/Neris were playing better.

  12. Just an opinion but a team like NE Patriots drafts players they know they can mold into contributors. Chung an eagle punching bag favorite on local radio but contributor to super bowl winning NE teams with coaches that know what they are doing.

    Phillies minor leagues tied to too many players coaches that do not have long track record of winning. Maybe Girardi Barber starting to change that.

    1. Patso agree about Patriots Chung stunk with us but is good with NE, But it easier to play when you know what plays are coming, There cheating helps them win,

  13. Wouldn’t be nice to have the dynasty for once that everyone else hates or accused of cheating. Although most of cheating crying emanates from a local radio station that just likes to fire up its base.

  14. NL….AL.
    NL….9 teams .500 and less records……6 with.500 or better
    AL….9 teams .500 or better records……6 with.500 or less

    Not sure this is a measurement of strength i one league and weakness in another since it is only less than 30 games.

    1. The Phillies sit at 10-14 heading into a couple of series with division rivals (3 @ Nats, 3 vs Braves). I’m going to go out on a limb here, and tell you the Phillies will be 15-15 at the midway point of this abridged COVID season.

  15. I’m not as familiar with the younger guys (1-2 years in the league) in baseball who aren’t phillies players or in the east for that matter. The players listed as potential guys to trade for with JTR, are they really good enough to swap for the best catcher in baseball? I actually think it would be a really good move to get a mlb ready pitcher (a solid 2 or really good 3 potential) but feel like that’s light. Am I just outta touch with what he could bring back? Then again, we give up a potential 1-2 and a serviceable C for 2 years of JTR, so maybe 1/2 a season doesn’t get as much as i’d hope for.

    1. Which is why Klentak won’t trade JTR. The return won’t be big enough, and Klentak operates very guardedly. Unless there’s some handshake agreement that they would match any offer on the free agent market – which IMO is likelier than JTR being traded at the deadline – the Phillies will try to eek into the playoffs. Injuries and other factors are leveling the field this season. No MLB team is going to shake up their organizational tree for a total free-for-all playoff run.

      1. Plus…trading JTR this week means Matt K has given up on the season with no play-off hopes….also means his time in Philly will end in 5 weeks.

        If he puts his house on the market we will know the answer for sure.

        1. Romus last season he was my nephews backyard neighbor in Haddonfield he rented. Did he ended buying something?

          1. Eric … as I mentioned above, I think the Phillies will go on a hot streak this week. That would make the whole “rent JTR until we re-sign his this winter” scenario moot. However, if I’m wrong about this team playing well this week (wouldn’t be the first time), I think the Phillies could match up well with either the Padres or Rays. San Diego has a really good young squad, a loaded farm system, and a glaring whole behind the plate. In addition, GM AJ Preller is sitting on a hot seat (ownership wants to win now). Adrian Morejon is just 21 YO and has a sky high ceiling. He does carry some risk: smaller guy/past shoulder injury. The Padres farm system is so loaded, Morejon is expendable.

            The Rays also need an upgrade at catcher, and they are also overflowing with prospects. I’ve always liked Brent Honeywell, but two season worth of arm injuries might make him toxic to Klentak. Shane Baz is a kid I thought the Phillies should have considered picking in the 2017 draft. He’s 21 YO now, a top 100 prospect, and could be throwing in MLB by next season.

            1. Hinkie, be it this trade deadline or in the off season, starting pitching should be the premium focus. Relief pitchers in the current climate are a dime a dozen. To have 4 SPs who consistently go 6-7 innings would make the rotation elite among MLB teams. It means the bullpen is less taxed and used. With Nola, Wheeler and Howard (eventually) as our 1-2-3, finding another would legitimize the Phillies as contenders. The lineup will be solid as Bohm continues to develop and we keep tabs on kids like Stott and Rojas. Assuming Realmuto is re-signed, the core of Harper/JTR/Nola/Wheeler should be enough to build around.

          2. DMAR…not sure..but still in Haddonfield from what I gather, ….probably renting I would think.

            1. Yeah my nephew is pretty tuned in to who is living in the Haddonfield neighborhood from the sports teams. He hasn’t mentioned to me that JT bought a place.

              He could have but I doubt it. He would have told me and sent me pics.

    2. Never a doubt. Too bad the Yankees dropped two to the Braves (including game one started by G. Cole).
      BTW … Patrick Corbin was the pitcher I was most worried about the Phillies facing this week (Max Fried won’t throw this weekend).

  16. Wow, Hinkie! That’s going mighty far out on a not so sturdy limb. You’re predicting that the boys will take 5 out of 6 from the Nats and Braves, two teams that own the Phillies. I hope that you are right. Pretty gutsy.

    Brad Miller is doing a great job for the Cardinals. He always showed a good bat but his defense at 3B was really spotty. I think Bohm will show up better when he figures out the speed of the balls coming at him.

    1. Yes, that’s my prediction. Warning: don’t put any money on that prognostication. It’s just the vibe I’m getting from the team. I think the Hembree/Workman duo will help settle the BP.

    2. The Phillies are really bad at scouting their own players.

      I get that Miller is no wizard with the glove, but he hit 13 homers last year in about 170 at bats. He pounded the ball. The man was cheap and can hit. He was an OBVIOUS re-sign, just as Charlie Morton was an obvious option pick-up. But they are terrible at scouting their own talent.

  17. Can someone tell me who the IF defensive coach is on our team? Before we give up on Bohm as a 3B, although it sure looks like Vi has been correct, can he be coached into playing better Defense? He isn’t good enough right now, besides the errors, a good number of the hits should have been caught. But, I have always believed that good coaching matters.

    1. Matt13, Bohm’s body will allow him so much development as a 3b. He’s actually better suited for 1b (tall and agile) but his feet work will probably relegate him to LF. If his bat early on is any indication, that’s perfectly fine with me.

    2. I think good coaching does matter, but only to a limited extent. They have received coaching for years and and a good coach might be able to tweak a player. If however, a bat has carried a guy, it just might not be in the glove to be had. In short you can’t make a race horse out of a mule, at least I don’t think so. Can you Rocco?

  18. Thanks 8mark, I really get the Jayson Werth vibe from watching him play. If he hits like Werth, we have a real player. Werth was also an excellent RF, but I will take even similar production from Bohm in LF. I really want Hoskins to succeed. But, again, Rhys was up the other night with the bases loaded and nobody out, and took a called third strike. It wasn’t that close, but he was clearly looking for the BB.

    1. Judging fly balls doesn’t come natural to every baseball player. I suspect development folks in the system have been seeing what we are seeing. I’d be curious why they haven’t tried him in the OF some before now.

      he’s played 1B and DH quite a bit in the minors but never OF.

      JW was drafted as a catcher don’t forget. Though they look the same JW may have been a much better athlete with much better foot speed.

      1. The Phillies want to give Bohm every chance to take 3B. Those type of guys don’t grow on trees. Last time Scott Rolen was in a Phillies uniform was 2002.

        If Pat Burrell can hack LF, I hope that Bohm can too. And Bohm is more athletic than Pat.

  19. I know, Romus, and I simply don’t like Rhys’ approach at the plate. Trading him doesn’t get much at this point, and if Bohm can’t play 3B, there has to be a place for him. Can’t DH Rhys if he can’t hit. I counted on Hoskins, Kingery and Bohm to grow with Bryce and JTR, so right now I am 2 players short of that nucleus.

    1. Yes…it is frustrating watching Rhys bat at times. Anymore whenever he gets two strikes…mail it in with a K.
      I still have faith in Haseley and Stott …who comes highly scouted and lauded with the bat…he was ranked 9th coming out of the draft a few years ago.

      I have to keep reminding myself…Hoskins (5th round) and Kingery (2nd round…48th pick) were both not ranked as first round picks coming out of college.
      Kingery was ranked a lot higher at 42nd by MLB…..and with a 30 Power rating and 60 Hit…what happened to him along the way is anyone’s guess!

        1. Dunno about Stott….but both catchers O’Hoppe and Marchan are hitting well….’OHoppe with a HR a few days ago.

        2. Holding his own and looking more comfortable all the time. At first they wouldn’t even let him bat. You have to remember it’s different because same batters and hitters are facing each other so much. He’s mostly been at SS, and he’s slightly bigger than I thought.

    2. If Rhys was purely a DH, with his on base skills, he’ll be at least league average. His defense is really bringing his value down.

      Now whether or not you want average production from your DH is another story.

  20. Werth was much more athletic than Bohm, JW was a first round draft pick as a C. Plus his grand pop was a MLB player, his mom was a state champ hurdler and dad played D1 sports. Bohm has a similar build but is more giraffe than Werth was. His bat gives me zero worries but he cannot stay at 3b, in such a short time I have counted 5 plays that led to major innings and half weren’t ever judged errors.

  21. I will eat this hat I’m wearing if the Phils trade JT. With the expanded postseason a sub .500 club will make the playoffs. I just want to hear Andy MacPhail polish up the turd of in their 5th year backing into the playoffs under .500 in a 60 game season as progress. If MacPhail is not shown the door with Klentak after the season we are just kicking the can down the road another year. I have zero faith in their ability to set up a quality scouting and player development staff together, the results speak for themselves.

    1. Uh oh, I wouldn’t make that declaration. Granted, the odds of JT getting traded are slim (my guess 20%) but not zero.

    2. I agree Eagleye. I think there is nearly a zero percent chance of them trading JT. Bryce would be livid. As would all Philly.

  22. The bats have to get to Fedde tonight. With Corbin and Sherzer going the next 2 nights, I can see splitting those but a tough order to fill for Hinkie to take 2 of 3.

    Meanwhile the Yankees are in Atlanta, maybe wear the Braves down before they head here for the weekend. This is all of course pie in the sky scenario, which this Phillies team seems to inevitably confound with futility of their own. But hey, we’ll see what happens leading up to 8/31…

    1. My son asked me over the weekend, “Why do they let the Braves continue to wear the Tomahawk on their uniforms?” I don’t have a logical reason for him.

      1. I think it has more to do with perceived negative image. A ‘brave’ has a positive connotation, as in home of the brave? Tomahawks are an historical reality. The only thing I can’t stomach is that nauseating chant by the Atlanta crowd, but not because of any ethnic impropriety. It’s annoying and stupid. If we did something like that here, I’d have myself committed to an asylum.

        1. Well put 8mark…agree.
          The historical reality is that the Native American Brave’s weapon of choice in a particular time frame was the tomahawk, long handle ax .. something like the hatchet.
          Originally they used stones attached, when the Europeans came over and showed the Indians how to attach stronger metal.

          1. Romus what r we going to do with Hopkins? He really cant field, I think he is at best a dh in american league, The league has adjusted to his bat and he is exposed, so a good obp guy with bad glove, What is that worth?

            1. rocco…..batting Rhys second in te lineup, wiht his high OBP is actually the right place for him.
              He will get you 30 HRs….but only bat 250/260 at best IMO.
              It is that BA/RISP that is killing him….at least in the 2 hole that will be minimized I would think…that is he will see less of that opportunity

              I do think he is worth it…..he will not be expensive now, and doubt he gets offered a very high $$$$-LTC to buy out his remaining arb years, unless he does a complete 180 at the plate

        2. Yes you are absolutely right, that chop sound and hand motion is so annoying. And it is very offensive, it is an act of aggression. I’m surprised that the Braves’ mascot, what ever it is, didn’t pull out a Bryce Harper doll and use a tomahawk on it, don’t need to explain.

        3. When I was in the USAF I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB SD. I made many Native American friends and even had one take me out to Pine Ridge. Late 80’s early 90’s.

          Many were Redskin, Chiefs and Braves fans. Never saw any Cleveland Indians caps. I believe they are proud of the Braves connotation and even the Chief logo. Not so sure they like the Wahoo Logo.

        4. I am of Irish descent. The Notre Dame Fighting Leprechaun doesn’t offend me although it does look rather caricaturish. Should it?

          1. I think only the individual can answer that 8mark. My friend who identifies strongly with his Irish heritage had it tattooed on his arm.

            I don’t really identify personally with any ethnicity as I am pretty much a mutt. My great grandmother on my moms side was a full blooded chippewa. I never got to meet her to ask her.

          2. I too, am of Irish descent and I recently found something that surprised me. Custer’s battle hymn with the 7th Cavalry was “Garryowen”. It is now on the forbidden list because it was played in many of the military expeditions against native Americans.

            1. I love that movie with Errol Flynn, and the song made the movie better. People are nuts anymore, You cant erase history, just learn from it and try to do better, like my Professor at Yale told us, Romus was a great Professor,

            2. skeet….luv that tune.
              Believe it has been heard played at Ft Hoof, TX on a few occasions.

  23. Rhys’ pre-draft scouting report from…ranked 172…Phillies drafted him at 142

    Grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 60 | Run: 30 | Arm: 50 | Field: 40 | Overall: 45
    Sacramento State has had one first-round pick in its history: Tim Wheeler, back in 2009. While Hoskins won’t beat Wheeler’s record of being taken No. 32 overall, the first baseman put together a strong junior season that helped his Draft stock considerably.
    Hoskins’ calling card is his power. Big and strong, he’s shown the ability to hit the ball out, finishing among the Cape Cod League leaders in home runs last summer. There can be a little length to his swing, and he tends to be a pull hitter, sometimes to a fault. Hoskins isn’t a runner and has played first base at Sacramento State the past two years, though he played an outfield corner as a freshman and on the Cape.
    Regardless of where he plays defensively, the team that takes him in the first five rounds will be buying his bat and the power potential it brings with it.

    By far he is the only one out of the 5th round in 2014 to get to where he is at now.:

  24. WOW just read today in 1945 Romus freed Paris from Nazi, Patton and Romus did this for france

  25. Was way too young when Burrell was coming outta miami . . . how was he as a 3B? Obviously he didn’t stick at 3B but was he serviceable or a lost cause?

    1. From what I remember reading from reports after they drafted him….he was not serviceable……slow reactions and could not charge and throw well on the fly…so the Phillies never let him play third….not even in the minors…1B and LF……Bohm has been given the opportunity at least.

  26. The Texas Rangers are listening to offers for Lance Lynn, who is under control through 2021. What might Klentak have to offer? (A 6th man in the rotation for September could be very useful; perhaps either Howard or Eflin might serve better as swing men in 2020, especially with double headers dotting the schedule.

  27. You know, I understand the frustration with Rhys’ hitting, and I’m not saying to stop talking about it or anything, but… How is Cutch still in the leadoff spot???

    For all his troubles this year, Rhys at least has an OBP over .400 and has more runs scored than anyone on the team besides Harper. But as of this moment, Cutch has an average just 10 points higher than Rhys and an OBP almost 140 points lower. If we’re fine with a .287 OBP, why not put Roman there so we at least have that ridiculous speed in play 1/4 at bats?

    I like the guy, but it’s just weird that he keeps getting playing time and leads off every time even when Quinn and Haseley are both healthy.

    1. think Girardi just wants to give a vet more time- this is only game #25, plus hes 296, 333 obp with 12 rbi in his last 13 games.

      flipped over to Rays/O’s, and due to an injury, Rays brought in Edgar Garcia with 1 on, 1 out and 4-2 lead in ninth. strikeout and groundout for his first major league save. 2 walks in his first appearance yesterday.

      1. Game #25 of a 60 game season, though. I’m also fine with letting players play through their struggles (it happens, you can’t get out of a funk without reps). I just doubt the wisdom of having him bat leadoff the entire time.

        If he’s finally turning the corner its a moot point, but still. I hope it won’t be a lingering problem for us to keep playing guys that aren’t getting it done and just hoping for better results.

    2. One thing is for sure I am glad the FO didn’t listen to me on Quinn. His play has been pretty darn electric the past few series.

  28. Ohhhhhhhhhhh………..JTR is going to be sooooooo……….expensive. Right now Mattie is deciding on his potion.

  29. Putting this out one last time for posterity! Looking for Nola to keep it going tonight …

    It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but hopefully some of you long-timers recognize my handle. I’m reaching out because I’ve written a historical novel about Babe Ruth and the 1920 American League season. I’m putting together a list of readers interested in reading the book prior to its Sept. 29 release and posting an honest review on Amazon. If you’re interested, I’ll send you a free digital copy of the book by the week’s end.

    I thought of reaching out here because I know you’re all knowledgeable baseball fans. If you’d like to take part, please send me an email here: I’m posting a synopsis of the book below.

    Thanks! As a follow-up, I’m planning a horror novel about the Phillies bullpen. 🙂

    Gregory Kane

    Walter Graham is about to land the scoop that will change baseball history.

    A crime reporter in post-Prohibition Manhattan, Walt chases a tip to an East River pier expecting to uncover a midnight shipment of illegal alcohol. He instead finds a boat holding an oddity even for New York City: a herd of exotic white deer. The reporter follows the deer’s trail and uncovers a conspiracy involving ancient rituals, smugglers and black market scientists, all leading directly to the city’s beloved New York Yankees and their larger-than-life star player, Babe Ruth.

    Together with Huck “The Mighty Mississippi” Halloran, a one-time Yankees star now battling demons from the Great War, Walt’s investigation upends everything readers thought they knew about the infamous 1920 baseball season.

  30. An interesting article by Baseball America on scenarios for minor league reorganization.

    One would have Low A and High A leagues flip, so Lakewood would be High A and Clearwater Low A. The rationale is that Low A players in spring training complexes like Clearwater could stay there longer and that many young Latin players wouldn’t have the spring cold to contend with.

    A variation of this scenario would split the season for Low A teams between two locations. In this scenario, the now Low A Clearwater Threshers would play the first half of the season in the Florida State League and the second half as the Williamsport Crosscutters in the New York Pennsylvania league.

    The rationale for splitting the seasons would be to save minor league baseball in towns like Williamsport while avoiding the low-attendance summer months in Florida that are a financial drag. According to BA, this plan is being proposed by some minor league cities wanting to preserve their teams.

    Another possibility is the splitting apart of geographically sprawling leagues, namely recreating a third Triple A league and spinning off a Middle Atlantic league out of the Carolina League.

    1. I heard about these a couple months ago. Thought if i ignored them they would go away. Look, I’m really sorry that the NY/Penn league is folding, but I don’t want to lose the second half of the Threshers season to prop up Williamsport.

      Clearwater draws exceptionally well. Leads the league in attendance most years. The stadiums down here are in better shape than those in the NY/Penn league because they are the spring training sites for ML teams.

      The teams in the FSL are very closely affiliated with the ML teams. If some teams aren’t drawing well down here, do better. Copy off the teams that are drawing well. But don’t take my summer ball away to Williamsport.

  31. Good job by Jake Arrieta last night. He may have gone the distance if not for the rain. That’s his second plus outing (of his five starts) this season. I’ll take that type of production from Jake in 40% of his remaining games. Nola and Wheeler are studs. I still believe in Spencer Howard (watch him beat Max Scherzer tomorrow), and Zach Efflin is fine as the club’s #5.

    Also wanted to recognize a couple of sensational plays in last night’s contest. The catch and throw by Victor Robles was mind blowing. And … what Roman Quinn did in the top of the 7th inning was something to behold. His speed is the most dominant tool (80 grade) on the Phillies’ roster.

  32. On the topic of using Indian names for sports teams, I’ve long thought the solution is for teams like the Redskins, Indians and Braves to invite a cross-section of Indian leaders to get their input.

    People might be surprised by the responses.

    Florida State University, for example, has Seminole Indian approval for their nickname and mascot and the tribe is proud of the Seminole nickname and Chief Osceola mascot, if he can be called a mascot.

    Right now there are a lot of outsiders speaking for Indians and they may be politically correct but factually incorrect. For example, the word Indian itself is considered offensive by many who prefer Native American. Never mind that many of us without a drop of Indian blood are Native Americans. If people want to be correctly politically correct, the name ought to be Aboriginal American.

    In fact, the term Indian is used by Indians. They refer to the network of reservations around the nation as Indian Country. They have formed organizations like the National Indian Gaming Association. There are jurisdictions like the Gila River Indian Community.

    Certainly, not all references in sports are intrinsically offensive. Who would object to be depicted as Brave? Though the tomahawk might be offensive. The Cleveland Indians are named in honor of an Indian, though Chief Yahoo strikes me as offensive.

    Think of how much better the Redskins franchise would have done in PR if they got a tribal committee together and said: “We want to honor the original Americans. Tell us what name and images you think will accomplish that?”

    If the answer is none, they could become the Washington Football Organization, though I like Red Wolves better.

    1. Excellent post, Frank. There’s nothing more disgenuine to me than “crusaders” for someone else’s cause who do little more than patronize those misrepresented. Like the word ‘diversity’, which is a term many rich white elitists use to endear themselves to an ethnic group with whom they can neither identify nor truly understand what it’s like to be in their shoes. With today’s social media, everyone has a voice to be heard. I wouldn’t want anyone who knows little about my problems fighting for me. But that’s me. (Sorry, hope this isn’t too political, Jim.) In any case, I digress.

      1. Actually, Red Wolves is one of the names proposed, the now critter having historically been native to the DC region and allowing the color scheme to remain, though I could go for Red Herring, too.

    2. Frank, I heard the Braves did do some market research on their name and other stuff. However, the market research was conducted on their fans who approved of the name, etc. So, they seem to be as disingenuous as the Washington football team.

  33. Personally, I like Washington Bureaucrats as the new team name for the Washington Football Club.

    Fangraphs is currently showing the Phils with a 49.7% chance to make the postseason, and a 2.5% chance to win the World Series. In the immortal words of Jim Carrey, “So you’re saying we have a chance?!?”

      1. rocco…these Phillies have good career results vs Corbin.
        Harper vs Corbin:….300/.450/.367….23 PAs
        Segura vs Corbin…..368/.474/.409….22 PAs
        …forget about all the rest.

  34. FWIW, NBCSP posted a piece speculating (as per Jon Morosi) that the Phillies might have interest in D’backs CF Starling Marte, who has a club option for 2021, so he wouldn’t be a rental, per se. Does anyone think Klentak would be that desperate? Granted, centerfield has not been a highly productive position so far. Quinn adds some energy with his league fastest legs. Haseley has been down and out of late. Kingery is a man without a regular position at the moment. I guess it all depends on Arizona’s ask, right?

  35. I’m sure that the Nats are not regretting giving Corbin 6 years, $140M because he helped get them a title. But this is year 2 for Corbin, and his fastball is already down to 88-90. Corbin turned 31 last month. The last 3 years of this deal might be looking real bad if his fastball declines even more.

    1. Looks like you could be correct on that.
      Here is last few years and 4SMr velos:
      2016 92.66
      2017 92.79
      2018 91.38
      2019 92.46
      2020 90.25
      ….there is a tick down as he ages and wear and tear sets in….close to 2000 innings counting MLB, MiLB and college days.

    2. Knowing the Nats they must have spread out that contract in case he did go bad its hurt less per season.

        1. Nats are deferring many of their large contracts knowing full well the luxury tax threshold will rise a certain percentage each year.
          So less pain is inflicted.
          Though it still can be a negative if a superstar does not agree to that type of deferred contract, ie Bryce Harper….Rendon

  36. Sorry to double post.

    Never a doubt. Too bad the Yankees dropped two to the Braves (including game one started by G. Cole).
    BTW … Patrick Corbin was the pitcher I was most worried about the Phillies facing this week (Max Fried won’t throw this weekend).

    1. BTW … Alec Bohm looked more comfortable defensively. Made all the plays, and showed a plus arm. He’s not going to win any GG’s, he just needs to be league average because his bat is going to be that good.

      1. I think he makes routine plays just fine and he does throw very well. Call it range or foot speed he simply doesn’t go left or right that well.

        Hunter has started to pitch very well also and that helps.

        Soto is a talent no denying that but I think he is a clown.

    1. He seemed like an arm that should have amounted to an MLB reliever, but I can’t be upset with moving on at this point. He’s still only 27, but maybe he’s another one where the stuff just doesn’t translate. Good luck to him, though.

  37. My understanding is any trade with a PTBNL involved is a player not currently on the 60-man roster and won’t be named until after the regular season has concluded..

    1. I would hope the cash was international $$$$….but I suspect that is not the case with the restrictions MLB has placed in this season on trades..

    2. That’s the loop hole. If the player were named, he would have to be placed on the 60-man roster. Plays into the plans of teams looking to maintain roster flexibility

  38. That was a gift seventh inning that the Nationals gave to the Phillies. First it was Soto butchering the line drive. Then the collision in right field. Finally, the throw into second from the outfield that Turner didn’t handle.

    1. True, but how many times the Phillies have failed to capitalize on other teams mistakes. It was a good win in that they held strong in a tight game vs the defending champions, albeit a shell of the team that won.

  39. I agree 8mark, We still took advantage of their miscues, and I will take the W. But, boy did Workman scare me! I thought he was never going to find the strike zone when he started the inning.

    1. matt13….shhhh…not so loud on Workman..
      rocco loves Workman…..always regretted Phillies not signing him after they drafted him in the third round way back when.

      1. Romus my feeling for Workman, were you dont draft guys in the top ten picks and not sign them. I Knew he was a good prospect in HS. his career isnt great, but I was more mad to lose a pick over 25000 back then,

        1. rocco…yeah, you are right…teams have to sign their top ten picks.
          That was in 2007… pat Gillick was running the show then.

  40. Question: will any of our relievers touch 95 this year? Or is this the season of secondary off speed stuff? Can’t get over the readings from pitch to pitch.

  41. How things can unravel so fast…Yankees lose two to the Bravos, and Judge again to a calf issue.. And they have the Rays coming up on their schedule.

    Looking at the Pinstirpes Alley blog:
    Readers are getting antsy… this one.

    Hot House Flowers
    Cashman has assembled a virtual Murderer’s Row that seems to play together 1 or two weeks in a season. Then the injury bug bites! Judge and Stanton (and others), cannot seems to be ever healthy. Might it be the strength and fitness guys to be blamed for the never-ending, and extensive, trips to the IL? They can’t win if they don’t play.
    Posted by OBXLocal on Aug 27, 2020 | 5:46 AM

    1. Yankees’ fans are complaining? Tell me something I don’t know. Anyways, their non-pitcher starters are up there in age. Gardner, Hicks, Stanton, LeMahieu are all 30+. Stanton has hardly been the picture of health during his career, so him getting hurt again is not surprising. And like Stanton, Judge is a large man who has missed his share of games too. Those 2 guys are not likely to get healthier as they age.

  42. JTR again showed that he is the best C in baseball, and cannot be lost to FA. It should have happened in the off season, but we have discussed that enough. It has to happen. Offensively, defensively, his base running, his control of the Pitching staff, all top notch. I know we like to hammer Klentak, but JTR is a Middleton signing, just like Bryce.

    1. matt13…yeah heard, thank you. Just another game to reschedule somewhere with another doubleheader I assume.
      We missed Scherzer for now.

  43. Jettisoning some of the 4A guys on our 40 is not the worst thing and if we can add a few PTBNL that works well. We have lots of guys eligible for rule 5 next offseason who will need to be added to the 40 so we’ll need the spots from some of the one year guys we’ve picked up. Currently the 28 to the 40 difference are all pitchers except for Grullon, plus Kingery or Haseley once Bruce gets back from the IL.

    1. But this is actual talk about whats going on in baseball right now, they literally aren’t playing tonight bc of it . . . .

      1. No. I asked if you all wanted a space for this type of discussion. It was a landslide “No”. Take it to social media if you must talk about it.

  44. wow tijaun walker picked up by Toronto for PTBNL. I remember when he was a target of ours. seems like a bargain for the Jays

    1. Can’t say whether it was a bargain or not until we know the PTBNL, unfortunately.

      That’ll be another weird thing about this trade deadline; no one will have any other trades to compare for a framework because most of the traded prospects can’t be announced (although some teams might tell other GMs if they ask).

    2. tony….not the same pitcher he was when he first came on the scene….his velo faded.

      2012 96.84
      2013 95.23
      2014 95.40
      2015 94.84
      2016 94.60
      2017 94.01
      2018 94.35
      2019 93.53
      2020 93.35

        1. be frank, 2020′ s 27 innings pitched is probably too SSS…even to mention it in the above posting ………..he probably has 4/5 more starts in him and may be able to maintain that latest velo….but over 30 starts he would probably fade.
          But Jays only need him to produce for 5 more weeks.

        2. The other issue with him I noticed…..he is using his split FB more than when he first came up. That can be blessing and a curse…Jays for the next 5 weeks hope it is a blessing.

  45. Trying so, so, so hard to stick to Jim’s no politics on this site after the Phillies cancelled tonight’s game. Oh’ Lord give me strength.

    1. This was not me. The consensus was clear when I broached the subject of a separate post for hot button topics in the Comments Section of the August 3rd Weekly Discussion. Keep it baseball.

    2. Hawkeye my Son, you must be strong, As a great man once said, I will gladly pay for for a hamburger Tuesday for a Hamburger today,

    1. Even so so pitching comes at such a premium on the trade market. If anything happens, watch for an OF addition. But I doubt Klentak pulls anything off.

    2. Matt, ………….I hope you are right, but I’m not holding my breath. I did once, MK had me awful Blue!

  46. Giradi has set the tone, Go with the BP as is, even though they are the week part of the team. BP is better but relying on older guys a Giradi Tag. Lineup up and down high price, finish their contract guys with Futrure not a concern. Win with these guys unlike the Braves going with Max Fried who statistical finished behind same draft year guys sitting at home not on the the 60 man Prospect Summer Camp.
    Once again look for the player that has the IT factor not the player you think might develop. We all know Phillies do not Develop they trade for ?
    That’s why Minor system is ranked low even though teams are as successful as the Power Teams. Phillies Minor teams compete because they Team Prosper, compare Stats not Prospects

  47. Don’t look now – but for all the bad trips we have experienced – imagine if Phils had drafted
    A J Puk ??? rather than MMoniac ? We would be perpetually talking about possible operations – poor guy – and let’s not forget this is a player drafted by one of the pre-eminent organizations. Just say’in this is a tough business.

      1. Did you feel the same way when the US boycotted the Moscow Olympics … or is it only the cause you have the problem with?

        1. not at all comparable. one can agree with a cause but disagree with illogical decisions related to that cause.

        2. So Hinkie is asking are we racist? if i am not mistaken first thing said when they dont have a real answer to a problem

          1. Rocco … I didn’t ask that at all. Did you even read the guy’s post, or are you just self reflecting? I don’t know anything about you outside of what you post here. Dave Romesberg (who I don’t ever remember posting anything on this site before) brought up the topic, and used PP to throw a temper tantrum. He finished by saying he was done with the Phillies. Jim removed his post, and cleverly used his own words “I’m done” to let him know he was finished here.

    1. RU i am trying to remember, i know i didnt like Puk, after i saw him pitch couple times, Was he wild left hander. from florida, i forgot

      1. rocco…yes he was out of the Florida Gator program. He did have great stuff, but like you say, he lacked control.
        Here were his grades:
        Fastball: 70 Slider: 55 Changeup: 50 Control: 45 Overall: 55
        …and he will be 26 next spring, and now shoulder issues are popping up…not a good sign.

  48. Looking at the first round of the 2016 draft going on four years now..
    Possibly four players are currently standing out.
    DMAR’s Kyle Lewis, Dakota Hudson , RHP, Cardinals out of the SEC, Senzel when healthy, and of course a Dodger draftee, catcher Will Smith.
    What all four have in common are they are collegian draftees.
    Gavin Lux looks like he may come on as a HS guy.
    And 17 of the total of 41. technically. first round picks are tasting MLB action….and the majority of those in the majors from that first round are college guys.

    1. Romus – thanks for your research ! Actually the only reason I mentioned A J Puk is that he was considered one of the players in the final hour that would be a Phillies selection. I suspect he would have been too much $$ so they attempted to spread the cash around with underslot choices etc.

      However, when I looked at the draft it was shocking. Shane Bieber, # 122 by Indians is arguably the best pitcher in baseball ; Bichette the future super star of the Jays # 66 ; his teammate Biggio # 162 ; the 3rd round featured # 64 P Alonso of Mets and Nolan Jones # 55 by Indians. # 94 was lefty Luzardo, one of Hinkie’s all time favorites taken by Washington – traded to A’s (he was this late because he had been injured, I recall). Dodgers absolutely cleaned house with # 20 Lux (will he really be any good ??) ; # 32 Will Smith starting catcher ; # 101 Dustin “Cy Young” May among others. # 3 was Ian Anderson of the Braves who blew the Yankees away the other night in 6 innings… it goes…..

      1. This is the best post I’ve seen in quite some time. When you select players, you select the player, regardless of position, who you think will be the best player and then you develop that player properly. This snapshot shows, in a very dramatic way, how much better the Dodgers are than almost any other team at identifying and developing talent, although the Blue Jays and Indians (with pitchers) are also quite good. Up to this point, the Phillies haven’t been very good at this and it’s killing the rebuild or making it far less effective.

        1. This is what frustrates me the most with Middleton. It is obvious that talent evaluation is not Kelntak’s ability. For a business minded person like Middleton, I thought he will have a shorter leash for mediocrity and has a good business sense when it comes to use of $$. Poor talent infusion means overpaying in FA and longer path to winning = less $$ in his pocket.

          Philly fans are deprived of team owners who knows how to win!

          1. Hey Kuko, long time no read…

            The importance of ownership can’t be overstated. While Middleton has his blind spots as all do, I’m glad that he’s not a carpetbagger like the Sixers owner, nor a guy who finds boyish gratification and prestige in owning a very expensive “toy” among the fraternity of those who unfortunately do, like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. Middleton is personally invested in the on field success of the Phillies. Now, that guarantees nothing but his ears are quick to hear the fanbase. I suspect Klentak has until October should the team miss the playoffs. The next GM will be the most important hire in Middleton’s tenure as controlling partner. My guess is that person will determine how the ’20s play out in Philadelphia more than any player, including Harper or Realmuto.

            1. on analyst.
              Middleton has been a Phillies fan since he was kid in Haverford as he once said.
              And with that, probably one of the most difficult aspect in his decision-making, is tempering his passion and enthusiasm with what would be considered a more practical and logical decision. Weighing that at times can be painstakingly arduous.

            2. Hello 8mark….it hurts me to cheer against the Phillies winning. But the team as currently constructed and a GM will hopes on luck to land talent, I’m afraid that making the playoffs (and losing right away) will still give Klentak another 3-4 years!!

              The Phillies needs to make a deep run in the playoffs if the FO needs to survive another year.

              My other concern is that Klentak is now grasping for survival that he will make stupid trade moves that will only marginally improve the team but cost the farm some serious prospect equity.

  49. Well, at least we aren’t the New York Mess. That front office couldn’t be more dysfunctional. Although I would agree with BVW about Manfred being out of touch. Honesty has its price, especially nowadays.

  50. KuKo, Where have you been? Glad to hear from you. You all make good points re: Middleton. A life long fan, tells us how much he wants to win, and acknowledges that we are a big market team, and, in fact, the other big market teams, except Boston, share a demographic. He let Klentak go into the season with a terrible BP. He set the LT as a salary cap. This is now 9 years since the team has been relevant. Way too long, but here we are. So, unless he believed the team isn’t that good, why go over the tax, there is no reason to leave the team with a gaping hole. I believe that the BP cost 6 Ws, and changes the whole position we are in. If he thought the team wasn’t good enough, how do you keep the GM? Now, we added some BP help, at payroll neutral, let’s see some more help by Monday. And, then sign JTR, and get a real Closer in the off season.

    1. matt13….another reader on another Phillies blog posed thios qusiotn….would yuo give the Reds Scott Kingery, VV and Kyle Garlick for Trevor Bauer as a 4 week rental?

    2. HI Matt!! i did stayed away from Phillies for health reasons! LoL!! I feel like having a heart attack every time the team reminds me of McPhail and Klentak’s shortcomings are FO!! Bohm and Howard are my saving grace!

      I think that the Phillies will still resign JTR — and both side probably had a mutual agreement that the Phillies will match whatever is the highest bid that JTR gets from free agency.

  51. No, not for this year that we are in. Winning it all is not going to be the same to me as in a 162 game year as in the past. I’d rather use those bodies as bargaining chips for someone who will help us in 2021.

  52. David Robertson has suffered a setback so it’s not likely that he will return this season. With his injury issues, it’s a no brainer that the Phillies will pay $2M to buyout his contract for 2021.

  53. I haven’t been following baseball as much as I would love to…and I’m a vocal critic of Klentak, but at least I’m glad that Klentak did not pull the trigger on Matt Boyd. Knowing that Middleton will open his wallet for one of the FA SP (as most of us predicted) mitigated that disaster of a trade. Nonetheless, I still cannot understand why Klentak continue to rely on MLB rethreads of RPs when upper minors have some interesting MLB ready arms that can be lost via Rule 5.

    1. KuKo…welcome back.
      Joe has tried some of the upper minor RPs….JoJo, Conner Brogdon, Austin Davis, Irvin, Rosso…all 40 guys…..just a few weeks ago.
      But this season is truncated to a point that there is no time to waste, and
      Joe may not feel comfortable heading down the stretch with inexperienced youthful arms…I am pretty sure he made the point to Matt Klentak….even saying last week…I can only use what I have given to me, in so many words.
      So Matt went out and got Workman, Hembree and Hale.
      Whether or not he ever uses Ranger S. if and when he gest back will also be interesting to see.

      Lastly….for me…the mystery still remains the man named Adonis.

  54. I am not trading Kingery for a rental, Romus. I still think he can play. Not an excuse but I do think the virus set him back quite a bit. I think there is another Pitcher coming, though.

    1. I think Gausman would be a good get for Klentak. Not sure what he would cost in a return. Plus, SF hasn’t fallen quite far down in the standings, although their outlook can’t be that promising. (Of course you would never know from listening to the Happy Cyborg.)

  55. That was an error on Hoskins! His D is not very good and he had some poor swings tonight! Wheeler has been everything we could have wanted and was out of that inning.

    1. If it isn’t routine for Rhys, it has a chance to get away! Unfortunately, Didi gets the E and than Morgan serves up 2 Tators and Wheeler misses out on a W for a fine performance. Now the adventure begins.

    2. I heard the Atlanta Announcer on Hoskins play, Looks like he was playing catch and missed the ball, His fielding is a problem,

      1. rocco….they knew he would never be a Gold Glove…..he is marginally serviceable as a defensive first baseman… have to live with it.
        The silver-lining……Rhys we know now, will not be very $$$$…though Boras may make him out to be…..but doubt the Phillies offer him a LTC, but if they do, probably will be very team friendly, like Kingery’s contract.

        1. There is absolutely no way now that the Phillies should offer Hoskins any long term deal. The Phillies already offered it, Hoskins declined, and the bullet was dodged. His career WAR is 4.7. We have 3 arbitration years with him, and after that, he walks. That’s it.

          1. Can understand that thought.
            He has not lived up to his 2017 rookie season
            However, now I would offer him that LTC…..but only on the best team friendly terms…..thru his arb years tacked on 2 more.
            If he takes it great, if not move on after the three arb years are completed..
            But with a great LTC, the Philies have a valued trade chip if he can maintain a reasonable wRC+ for the next 3/4 years, or ride him out full term on his contratc if he turns it around completely,.
            Plus helps with roster resource construction in regards to cap space under the luxury tax threshold.

            One thing in his favort….not many players have the OBP he has hitting in the number 2 hole.

            1. Unless Hoskins is a DH, his defense at 1B is terrible. Why would anybody want that? And you have to figure that his range will decrease as he ages. He has to absolutely rake to overcome his defense and he hasn’t been doing that lately. You can pick 1B off the street to give you 1 WAR. Hoskins is not even giving the Phillies that.

  56. Sixto: 7ip, 6h, 0r, 1bb, 10k. I’m happy for him. If nothing else his success will add to credibility to identify talent out of LA. Their two best LA pitchers have been traded away. CC & SS.

    1. Well, we all knew this was a very possible outcome – that Sixto would have a chance to become an ace. The ability has always been there.

      Just two comments. First, you did get the best catcher in baseball – so you paid a price and it was probably a reasonable price. Second, and I cannot emphasize this enough, the best organizations put themselves in a position where they NEVER trade their best prospects. Look at the Dodgers or the Yankees. When was the last time you can remember that one of the prospects they traded became and ace or a superstar. Those teams are built so that they never have to trade their best prospects to contend and they simply won’t do it. Period. Even superstar Mookie Betts didn’t cost the Dodgers their best prospects. Think about it.

      1. I will give Klentak credit on the prospect side, however. He is not eager to trade away his best prospects. He’s always been very careful about that. The Sixto trade was an outlier and they got a great player in return, so I’m not burying him over that. I’m just talking about putting the team in a position where it doesn’t have to surrender a player like Sixto.

        1. I have said time and again that you have to give talent to get talent. JT has been great for the Phillies. Sixto had enough red flags to give the Phillies pause. Why can’t it be a good deal for both sides? The Phillies have to fleece the other team for the trade to be good?

          1. You’re missing my point. I said it was a fair trade. It was. My point was that a more stacked organization wouldn’t have had to either make the trade to begin with or sacrifice its best prospect.

            1. I looked at the Cubs in 2015 and the Chapman-Torres trade.
              Cubs gave up their best prospect….however the Cubbies garnered their first WS ring in almost a century….and may not sniff another for awhile. But Theo got what they needed at that time.
              Torres has turned out to be a superstar in New far.
              I guess there are both pros and cons giving up a team’s best prospect for the chance to get a ring.

              The Dodgers , otoh, do not want to do that…..and still looking for their next ring after 32 years.
              They could go down as the Atlanta Braves of the 90s.
              Some GMs take that risk, others do not…who is to say what is the right way.

            2. Okay, well, wait a minute.

              The Cubs gave up a ton for Chapman, BUT THEY WON THE WS! We are not there yet and, while miracles happen, JT hasn’t gotten us over the hump. Certainly not yet.

              As for the Dodgers I’m calling bull on your suggestion that they didn’t win because they didn’t make the right trades or give up enough. The Dodgers have been loaded each time, but winning involves a lot of luck. The Dodgers recently have never been “a player away” – they just didn’t win. And also, the Dodgers do make big trades. They got Manny and Betts and all of their best prospects remained on the team and are turning into stars.

            3. You repeated what I posted about the Cubs/Yankees…they got what they wanted…isn’t that what I said!

              Bottom-line, when it comes to the Dodgers…….until they win a ring, as lucky as it does take, their formula for success is lacking something.
              They have the best farm system, with he best prospects virtually every year now…..they spend internationally wisely…..they draft wisely….they are favorites to win their division it seems every year…….but they come up short at the end.

              Dodgers…until three weeks, had one fault their fanbase continually harped upon…..they did not go out and sign the biggest ticket free agent…..with Betts they decided to do it…and yes, I know, .technically, he was still their property until November.

              Like I said there are different ways to win the ring. Some GMs take more risks than others to achieve that ultimate goal.

      1. Yes he turned the corner, Going to the store for bread, He still cant hit a fastball

  57. Four in a row.
    They may as well just announce now that tomorrow afternoon’s contest will be moved to tomorrow night to avoid the rain (the remnants of Hurricane Laura).

  58. I was genuinely thrilled for him. I also, despite my complaining about Klentak and Middleton’s salary cap, am as invested as I have ever been in the team winning. Just one more actually effective Relief Pitcher would have made so much difference. We are still in the Playoff hunt, and could use another lefthanded Reliever. Who could be available?

  59. Chadwick Boseman….man who played Jackie Robinson in the movie….passes away on Jackie Robinson day in MLB.

    1. Read that this a.m. and was so sad… Why I never put together he was the same actor in Black Panther was my bad… To young to die of cancer…I’ve read he was 42 (the irony) or he was 43…

      1. Read he battled Stage 3, then Stage 4 colon cancer, for the last four years (2016)…did movies and worked around scheduled surgeries and chemo treatments…..yeah very sad.

        1. He also did a lot of appearances for sick kids during that time. I wonder if he ever told any of the kids that he was sick, too. Would be a hell of a morale boost for them to see that someone just as sick of them was still living a very fulfilling life.

    2. Romus let assume your the G.M and you have a third basemen who cant play third, and a bad fielding First basemen, what do you do? By the way i watch the replay of game, the Atlanta announcer said, Hoskins looks like he never played catch, Look like he was worried about his face and missed the ball,

  60. Boseman was a true talent! As stated, he played Black Panther and Jackie Robinson but he also played James Brown and Thurgood Marshall amongst his many roles. He will be missed.

    S.Sanchez looked really good last night. His change up was killer. Do you think that if he was still with the Phillies that he would still be lingering in the minor leagues the way the Phils tend to develop pitchers?

    1. ciada – I think Sixto would be pitching out of the pen for the Phillies this year. I also hope Keith Law is right when he says Sixto – due to his conditioning and size – is only suited to be a reliever. Unfortunately on a very ss – size he looks scary good and I suspect the Phillies traded him because of his work/health ethic and not because of his dynamic tools. I do not look forward to Phillies facing an almost impossibly difficult juggernaut Marlins team with Sixto pitching for the next 5 years.

  61. Chadwick Boseman was a terrific actor, and this is a really sad thing. I had no idea he struggled with cancer. Go get your colonoscopies, all of you who are 50 or older. Sixto was a high price to pay but JTR is worth it, if we re-sign him. I know, I am a broken record, but losing him sets us back a lot! Another caught stealing last night saved that game, and whether the runner was really safe or not doesn’t matter. JTR is that good, offensively, defensively, pitch calling, Pitcher handling, and in the locker room.

  62. I cannot believe there is no talk on here of the coolest thing of 2020 – the Cutch breakdance celebration last night. Check it out if you haven’t seen it – that dude is one cool cat. Love him!!!

  63. Having seen Jojo’s first relief outing and how fast he was throwing – 95+ which I found surprising – I was anticipating seeing him again last night if Scotty didn’t hit that homer. He was warming up in the pen at the time. Would like to see Joe get him to see what iteration we have of Romero this year. If he can throw like that – and he showed a snappy off speed pitch as well – could he be the missing bullpen ingredient ???? Otherwise I look for another new bullpenner over the weekend.

    1. With Alvarez out, you might see JoJo sooner rather than later. He obviously aced his mop up duty. I can see him facing Freeman/Markakis very soon.

  64. Watching the game today, and the announcers said that Miguel Cabrera was still an active player! How can that be? So here’s his contract: 8 years, $240M. This has to be one of the worst contracts I have ever seen and one of the main reasons why the Tigers are where they are. So his contract is from 2016-2023, starting at age 33. He had an impressive 2016 with 5.1 WAR. Then he fell off a cliff the next season. So 5 years into this contract, he’s give the Tigers 4.6 WAR. And he still has 3 more years left on the deal! If we value a WAR at $8M, it’s entirely possible that the Tigers give him $240M and he gives back less than $50M in value! This contract could be worse than Ryan Howard’s deal where the Phillies essentially wrote off $125M.

    1. It’s the same situation with Albert Pujols and the Angels; you forget that he’s still playing until you check out some stats page and see his 71 wRC+. He’s working on his fourth straight negative WAR season but he’s only got one year left after this one.

  65. Excellent outing for Eflin, and Neris and Workman did the job. Rhys had a great day at the plate, and I don’t know how, but we are firmly in it. Padres get Rosenthal, and I still think there is another move coming.

    1. I say acquire another SP to solidify the rotation, 6th man needed for DHs, swing man (Howard?) could alleviate the load on the bullpen. And if Rhys can get it going…and KEEP it going, this lineup is for real. So, whaddaya got, Matt?

      1. They’re up against the luxury tax threshold. Klentak would have to overpay to bring in another arm because that club would have to include cash to cover the incoming player’s salary. For that reason, I’m not sure the Phillies will be able to make another meaningful move. The one guy I’d have an interest in is Sean Doolittle. He’s LH, can close or setup, and in the final year of team control. Why it probably can’t happen: he has been injured most of this season, would put the Phillies over the cap, and I have a hard time seeing Mike Rizzo waving the white flag.

        Klentak’s best options may come from within: Jojo Romero, Ranger Saurez, Damon Jones, and/or Victor Arano.
        Someone asked about David Hale. He’s just not that good (very average). When that deal was made, I posted Klentak (in desperation mode) may have been taken advantage of by Brian Cashman.

        1. The other LH pitcher I would look into is Drew Smyly (I would have never let him leave in the first place). He’s supposed to be back from a sprained index finger as soon as next week.

          1. Me neither. Did we make a legitimate offer to retain his services or did we just let him walk because we weren’t interested?

  66. I’ve always been a big Eflin fan since they got him via SD-LA. When I read up on his upbringing, I rooted for him all the more.

    Is it just me or does your heart start pounding when Workman gets into the game? Can anyone tell me what’s up with David Hale?

    1. Me as well. Every year I’ve picked him to break out . . . If he can consistently throw that breaking ball with his other pitches, that could be a solid number 3.

    2. Zach Eflin has 2 more arbitration years left. He’s not elite, but you would be surpised how much he would get in FA. That said, I would think about buying out some FA years by offering something like 4 years, $38M. That way, the Phillies will have Wheeler and Eflin for the next 4 years, Nola for the next 3, and Howard for 6. That would be a good core moving forward.

      1. Yeah…I would also see if Eflin is keen on that.
        Though at age 26, he may be ready to become a very reliable middle of the rotation starter vs an end of rotation 5.
        Either way would be beneficial and pitching as far into games as he does, also benefits the bullpen..

    1. Once in a while things come into focus. The starting pitching is good enough to win the division. The bats lag behind the Braves, but they’re good enough to compete. This team has lacked depth and a BP. I give Klentak credit for the Workman/Hembree trade. He acted quickly (didn’t wait until the deadline). If Hector Neris returns to his old self (has looked good this weekend), he could be the difference between the Phillies in or out of the playoffs. I also hope Girardi gives Jojo a larger role.

      Atlanta (no doubt) has a better team, but with their injuries, it’s not unrealistic to believe the Phillies could beat them out for the NL East.

  67. Looking at the Dodgers current situation, they will have some interesting dilemmas in the next 2 years.

    After this season, Turner, Pederson, Hernandez are FAs. Now they have Gavin Lux taking Hernandez’s place, but Hernandez has been a serviceable player. Pederson seems to be on the cusp of breaking out so not sure the Dodgers will give him crazy money. Justin Turner is the rare player where he’s been better in his 30s than in his 20s. That said, Turner will be 36 at the end of the season.

    After 2021, Kershaw, Jansen, Seager are FAs. Kershaw is a generational player but he will be 34 in his FA year. Jansen will also be 34. Seager is going to get paid.

    The Dodgers better hope that their prospects pan out.

    1. …also still need to pay Bellinger Next year will be his arb1 and he looks to pull down anywhere between $15M and $18M I would think, though he is struggling this season.
      The other fuy that will cause them some thinking on is Seager….he is FA in 2022 and they may be forced to give him something more than they desire with Boras doing his negotiations.
      I want to see what they do with Buehler….if he becomes their ace, then that will pose another question for them….turns 26 next season on his arb1….FA in ’25, but no way they wait him out.

      1. There is no doubt that the Dodgers have prospects, but really only 1 has broke out: Bellinger. Verdugo (top 50 in 2019) was traded for Betts, Pederson (top 20 in 2015) looks to enter FA. The jury is still out on Buehler (top 25 in 2018), Urias (top 10 in 2016). It’s too soon to tell for Lux (top 5 in 2020), May (top 25 in 2020).

        1. It would sure be nice to have the Dodgers’ “problems”, wondering if your young, former top prospects who are already having success in the majors can keep it up. Buehler and Urias especially already have track records. They also have a young catcher who was a 1st round pick doing well in Will Smith. Not to mention two MVPs in their prime. I think they’ll be fine.

          Meanwhile we’re hoping a 26 year old former top prospect is playable after two full years in the majors.

    1. Both Hoskins and Cutch who struggled early on have picked it up as going into today’s game Cutch 9 for 24 in the previous 5 games. Segura is another as going into today he was 9 for his last 37. Aside from Kingery these 3 had the worst starts among the regular players but all seem to be finding their way.

      But Harper after starting off red hot is just 3 for his last 25 going into today

      big game sunday night with Jake on the mound. I know the braves offense is sick but was shocked to see outside the one starter the rest have just 1 win between them and that was the rookie Ian Anderson.

      1. Daniel…..Braves have only one starter left from their June forecast…….Fried.
        Hamels and Soroka are down with injuries…..Folty and Newcomb could not produce. Tough break… their offense has to pick it up.

      2. i was looking at dodger payroll, Its at the 208 mark if i read it right, The owner will go over thats not a problem he said,. My question is if you go to 220 the penalty is 4 million, Why would a owner like Middleton who saids he wants to win, worry so much about cap? I think we have a guy who isnt as committed as he says, if 4 million tax would stop him from trying to win, its peanuts to a billionaire

        1. rocco…I do think it is going over it, multiple time in succession, that they want to avoid…the penalty increases once you go over consecutively 2 or 3 times.
          Then you have to reset….and that is a problem that the Red Sox had to face.
          But they got their ring out of it a few years ago.

          1. Romus so he can spend now, cause a lot of money goes off books in offseason if he wanted to?

  68. I think Bryce has a big game tonight. His numbers show he is scuffling lately, but he had a key Sac Fly going the opposite way the other day, and he smoked that ball to the gap that Acuna just made a great play on. Notwithstanding Scotty taking Melancon yard the other night, the Braves BP has been really good. Rhys using the whole field has been a real good sign, and I am looking for that 1 more deal. Hinkie mentioned a guy we should have kept, Drew Smyly.

  69. Padres get Mitch Moreland, Braves Tommy Milone. I don’t think we have the assets to move for Lance Lynn or Mike Minor, I don’t know Robbie Ray’s contract status, but I think there is some Pitching we can get. Especially with all the Doubleheader’s coming up. Can’t have another September swoon.

    1. rocco….the money is not the issue for Ray…..lot less than $9M ( truncated season reduced all salaries , plus he only has one month left on the reduced salary), so looks like less than $2M will be needed……
      and I always liked Robbie Ray…..but this season he really cannot find the strike zone….really cannot…31 walks…31 innings….tops BB/9 for starters.
      A big risk

  70. Moniak is being added to the 60-man which you have to be a part of for trades unless your the name on the PTBNL after the season is done… Suspicious it happened today with the trading deadline tomorrow which tells me Mickey is on his way out of town..

    1. Wonder if AJ Preller of the Padres may have interest in MM as a candidate to compete with Trammell for their future CFer….most of all the other OFers on their 40 are large body corner guys Padres are a team looking to make moves it seems.

    1. rocco…Joe G seems to really like Quinn’s speed and excitement….not sure he will let him go that easily.

  71. Orioles M Givens to Colorado for 3 players – # 7, and # 14 prospects + ptbnl – quite a haul for them.

    1. rocco… do you like Brewer’s Josh Hader? Controlled until 2024.
      He would be a very good get for Joe G.
      Probably cost premier prospects…perhaps Mickey Mo as one of at least three, in the package return to them. Now that would be irony of sorts ….when Mickey was drafted and into his initial years, there were Christian Yelich comps floating around.

  72. We were thinking about who we could trade a week ago! Now we are right in it. I am not even looking for a Hader type trade, a left handed Pitcher would make me happy

    1. matt13……word of caution with a LHP like Hader,,,,or even a Robbie Ray…..they are finding it hard to find the plate this year for some reason.
      Hader walked 5 guys in one inning already this season.

  73. Marlins lose today, so we are in second place. I think that John Middleton needs to say to himself that these guys showed up despite the handicap I saddled them with by sending them out with the worst BP in the league. Now I am going to help them with some reinforcement!

    1. Phillies are really a great team. They reward all employees of the team. Like yesterday, they allowed their batting practice pitchers throw in a major league game.

  74. Someone greased the baseball when we are in the field, no one can catch it or pick it up. Ugly game for sure.😡

  75. Home plate umpire was not giving arrieta the low strike. Made a big difference. Hoskins occasionally makes the spectacular play but all too often he butchers the position.

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