Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #3 Prospect

Scott Kingery was your selection as the #2 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

Kingery was your selection as the #11 prospect in the Phillies’ organization last season. This year, Kingery captured a majority decision receiving 150 of 291 votes (52%).  J.P. Crawford finished second with 110 votes (38%).  Twelve other players shared the remaining 31 votes.

Scott Kingery was the Phillies 2nd  round pick in the 2015 June Amateur Draft from the University of Arizona.  Kingery was a walk-on as a Freshman at Arizona and started over half of their games.  He was a starter the next two years and won the PAC-12 bating title both seasons.  He was the PAC 12 Player of the Year in 2015, his Junior season.

The Phillies think highly of Kingery.  Scouting Director, Johnny Almarez, saw Kingery as an advanced hitter and everyday second baseman.  The organization showed their belief in Kingery when they assigned him directly to full season ball at Lakewood, an aggressive assignment for a new prospect.

Kingery posted a .250/.314/.337/.652 in 66 games and 282 plate appearances.  He hit 3 home runs and successful in 11 of 12 stolen base attempts.  He had a BB rate of 6.4% probably due to his lack of pop, but had a K rate of only 15.2%.

Kingery started 2016 in Clearwater.  He improved across the board – .293/.360/.411/.770 in 94 games and 420 PA.  Still just 3 HR, but stole 26 bases in 31 attempts.  Batting at the top of the order, Kingery had a BB rate of 7.9% and a K rate of 12.9%.  He was among the league leaders with 29 doubles when he was promoted to Reading where his numbers dropped.

Kingery was invited to spring training with the big club in 2017.  In a very small sample size, he opened eyes with his play including a .286/.400/.619/1.019 slash.  He continued his torrid pace with a .313/.379/.608/.987 slash including 18 HR in Reading.  He was promoted mid-season and cooled off a little with a .294/.337/.449/.786 slash and 8 HR at Lehigh Valley.

Kingery’s rapid development brings the Phillies closer to a fortunate dilemma.  With incumbent second baseman Cesar Hernandez performing exceptionally well at the major league level, the Phillies are blessed with two major league caliber second basemen, one of which will likely become a trade chip by mid-season.

Next up is your selection for the #3 prospect in the organization with McKenzie Mills and Drew Anderson added to the poll.

54 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #3 Prospect

    1. Agreed. We can debate the order of our top 3, but not necessarily who belongs in those top three slots.

      Four should be an interesting vote. Moniak, Hasely, Kilome, Alfaro.

      I’d wager Alfaro would win among those four, though personally I don’t have him that high.

      1. I’m not a big Kilome guy. I like Medina and Dominguez (who’s now moving to the pen) more.

        I no longer consider Alfaro a prospect though I understand the technical parameters. He’s a fly or bye guy at this point. No more options without being lost to a waiver claim.

      2. I’m an outlier and have Jhailyn Ortiz as my #4. He is a long way off, but I think his upside is huge: power with some speed and defense. I admit that I am letting performance and minor league stats color my ranking of Moniak, dropping him lower than where ‘perts have him.

  1. Just for kicks, Kingery and Crawford’s AAA stats after Kingery was called up:

    Kingery: age 23 season
    Crawford: age 22 season

    Kingery (286 PA)…. .294/.337/.449 (.786 OPS, 117 wRC+)
    Crawford (284 PA).. .279/.391/.533 (.924 OPS, 158 wRC+)

    1. schmenkman….good information….also Otero posted yesterday JPC similar 2nd half metrics and it just shows the adjustments he made, especially after the rather down trending at the end for 2016 and the poor start in 2017.
      Kingery has also made adjustments to his respective levels after brief initial slow starts…going back to his college playing time at Arizona. His SLG% went up approx. 100 points for three straight years

  2. JPC. I honestly can’t remember having a top three with this much talent in the Phils system.

    I’m also trying to recall an MLB infield combo with as much promise that played together as rookies. There has to be a few out there. Anyone?

    1. Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammel are the most obvious.

      Whitaker won the ROY award in 1978 and Trammel was 4th in the voting..

        1. how about Alfredo Griffin (ROY 1979) and Danny Ainge in Toronto in 1979? Just have to count Ainge’s performance in the NBA and not in Baseball 🙂

      1. For brief periods together…..the Ripken brothers were together for a short time in their young careers along with Kubek and Richardson.

    2. For the last minor league stops before MLB time…there were Bowa and Doyle in the late 60′ in Oregon is about all I can recall that comes anywhere close. Sandberg at Reading was a shortstop and Curry was an adequate 2nd basemen but did not make it.

      1. Puddinhead…Sammy and Julio Franco would be near the top as Phillies combinations….but the Phillies traded Franco to Cleveland before they could step up for their first years in the middle infield together.

  3. I have Haseley at #3. He moved quickly from GCL to Lakewood, where he finished the season. If he doesn’t start the season at Clearwater, he nwill be there soon. Fast riser with good base running, and contact as a hitter. I don’t mean to demean Crawford and Alfaro, but I don’t consider them prospects anymore. They should both have good major league careers. I also like Medina and Ortiz here, but I think Haseley is better both on the field and at the plate.

    1. “Prospect” is a fairly well agree upon term, in that players remain prospects until they are over 25, or have exceeded major league rookie minimums. Based on this definition at least, Crawford and Alfaro are still prospects for 2018, and they should be considered for this voting.

  4. Crawford here obviously, since group think on Short Sixto kept JPC from #1. The starting shortstop in the majors and a leading candidate for ROY and he’s not the #1 prospect? #voterfraud

  5. Hopeful for Jorge Alfaro, he definitely has the hit tool. However he was the worst defensive catcher I’ve ever seen in MLB and has a historically low walk rate. Have to be realistic on what that means for a major league catcher.

  6. JPC is the last of three players who, thus, far, have set themselves apart from the group. Very easy vote.

    It gets hard with #4. I’m not a big Alfaro fan (even though I assume he will be okay as the catcher), so even though many will vote for him at 4, I won’t be among them. I would have him in the latter part of the top 10. His best case outcome is something like Benito Santiago where the tools are just so good that he can still be average to above average even though his plate discipline is horrible. But, in my view, a more likely scenario is as a perennial back-up with good power, which is how I see it playing out in the long run unless he can improve the walk percentage. But to keep that (the walk percentage) in perspective, I think improving plate discipline is one of the hardest things for a player to do because it really speaks to a player’s innate ability to make a split second decision on whether or not to swing. Very, very few players are able to substantially improve their plate discipline after a certain age, so I’m not too bullish about that happening with Alfaro.

  7. Crawford for the second time. I do think that some Phils fans are ignoring Kingery’s faults when compared to JP and I still get the impression that Crawford would be favored nationally. JP is younger, has a higher floor and was probably more impressive at the same level last season.

    No matter, Crawford is the easy pick here and then I think we’ll see votes all over the place.

  8. Since I’m being censored, I’ll just say Crawford. I won’t disagree anymore with the group’s opinions

    (administrator: you’re not being censored, you’re being erased. It’s not that you disagree. it’s that if the consensus differs from your opinion, you are are rude in your comments. I also don’t like the political tone in parts of your name (trump) and e-mail address (putin). This is a baseball site not a political site. I’ll give you a day to change them before I block them entirely.)

    1. Martyr much? Don’t think the problem is in disagreement with people’s positions but rather the level of snark that came with it.

      If you have an opinion, then make your case.

  9. Chose Jhaylin Ortiz at #3 as he has the potential to be a top middle of the order batter and a good athlete for his size.

  10. Romus…unless you misspelled a players name, Tony Curry was not a 2nd baseman, he was a left fielder who played on the 1960 Phillies. I know because I loved his rookie baseball card and even though I was too little to ever see him play I always felt that if he hadn’t been pushed so hard by an organization begging for talent [he was Eastern League MVP in 1959, starting LFer and batting 3rd in 1960] he could have been a very good major leaguer.

    In fact, Curry, Tony Gonzalez and Johnny Callison were all rookies on that 1960 team and could well have formed a very good outfield going forward. Unfortunately, Curry was sent down in 1961 [after making the Topps All Rookie team in 1960] and never really resurfaced again.

    Curry also was the first Phillie to get a hit after Gene Mauch took over in Game 3 of the 1960 season.

    1. Have to admit I hadn’t heard of Curry before. There is a SABR bio about him, and includes this about a 1961 contract “misunderstanding”…

      “Still, it was an embarrassment for the Phillies, a team with a poor history of race relations. Owner Bob Carpenter and general manager Quinn were perceived as taking advantage of the young man; Quinn allegedly made borderline racist remarks about Curry’s supposed lack of gratitude. In addition, it surely wasn’t the best thing for a young player’s mindset. Tony didn’t get off to a good start (7 for 36 in 15 games, facing only right-handed pitchers), and the contract issue might have been lingering. Philadelphia did send him down to Triple-A Buffalo in early May as the deadline for roster cutdowns loomed. It would be more than five years before he re-emerged in the majors.”

      http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e711a817

    2. Always liked his 1960 season, he was my favorite player, thought he’d be a great player, thus my screen name. When he was sent down I switched to Ted Savage

      1. tony curry…did you get to see him play? Just curious. I do remember Ted Savage, came up in 1962 and had a decent year. That was the first year that the Mauch led Phils got over .500 [81-80.]

    3. I remember that Tony Curry was being compared to Willie Mays. He seemed to have all the tools, but never really panned out. Tony Gonzales was a very good CF and all around good hitter. Johnny Callison was my all time favorite Phillie. He had the best arm in the league other than Clemente. Hit for power, had good speed, His problem is that his eye sight started going bad in 1966, and never recovered. He was done by 1968 at only 30 yrs old. Hang around for a few years with the Cubs and Yankees

  11. Yes, the Curry story was an unfortunate one, he was a very good hitter/player and Quinn’s alleged raciest comments certainly didn’t enhance Curry’s chances of making it big. He was a Topps All Rookie outfielder along with Tommy Davis and Frank Howard, two guys who carved out great careers.

    Lets put it this way. If Tony Curry was coming up through the system today and having the same success he had in the late 50’s we would be waxing poetic about his talent. I guess my point is that Curry represents a very sad commentary about those Phillie teams of the late 50’s-early 60’s, they had lots of young talent but didn’t know how to cultivate them. Fortunately, Mauch changed all that…Callison, Allen, Gonzalez, Amaro, Mahaffey, Short, Green, Wine, Dalrymple, Taylor, Cater, Johnson, Culp, Short, Bennett and Wise were just a few of the guys brought up and developed under Gene Mauch.

    That he is not on the Phillie Wall of Fame, while many of his aforementioned players are, is a terrible injustice.

  12. Interesting about Tony Curry. He was from The Bahamas I believe and had a cricket upswing. Once the pitchers saw the swing they adjusted. He had trouble hitting after that. Harry Anderson had a similar problem, not cricket, but upswing..
    I’ll never forgive John Quinn for trading Ferguson Jenkins for Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl, both on the down side of their careers already. Alex Johnson also disappeared quickly He was a very good hitter.

    1. Puddinhead..yes, he was from the Bahamas, the second player from the island to ever make it to the big leagues, Andres Rodgers was the first. While I agree with you a bit about pitchers making adjustments to his swing, my original premise was that had the organization A] not been so quick to promote him to the big leagues [he was a 21 year old fresh off an MVP in the Eastern League] and B] not been so quick to give up on him [he was a 22 year old who actually began the ’61 season as the cleanup hitter] he might well have had a career similar to Callison and Gonzalez, players he came up with.

      Interesting stuff because I have read old clippings from the 1960 Sporting News and Mauch not only loved the guy but thought he had the potential to be a future batting champ. My guess was that Quinn couldn’t stand him and found reasons to move him.

      His minor league numbers were always good and it does seem as if the Phils simply mismanaged the youngster.

      1. CalifDreramin….remember the Eastern League prior to 1963 is not the same classification it is now. For example, Reading is in the Estern League…but as an AA designation.
        Prior to 1963, the Class A level was a higher-rung classification. Class A consisted of one of the leagues called the Eastern League…which Tony Curry did play at before his promotion with the Williamsport team.
        The lowest classification were designated “D” leagues or rookie leagues now
        So he did go up the ladder to the highest level.
        After 1963 the classification names were changed to AAA, AA, A, Short-Season A and Rookie..

  13. There are a lot of Quinn stories. One of the worst examples is sending a young Richie Allen to Arkansas to play in the Minors. If you read about Allen, one of my favorite players, he encountered racism for the first time in Little Rock.

  14. Romus…with all due respect, Williamsport was still the equivalent of today’s AA ball the year [1959] that Curry was the MVP of the league. The Phils Triple A team that year was in Buffalo and had the likes of Amaro, Mahaffey, Short, Dallas Green and Jim Coker. All of them came up in 1960 and had at least a bit of success that 1960 season.

    Curry jumped right what we would call AA ball today to the major leagues. And this was a guy who didn’t start playing baseball till he was 16. Clearly the Phils failed Curry and I have read on numerous times how Quinn tried to short change Curry contract wise in 1960…after Curry, for all his defensive struggles, was voted to Topps All Rookie team.

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