Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #2 Prospect

Sixto Sanchez was your selection as the #1 prospect in the Phillies’ organization.

For the first time since 2015, the Phuture Phillies top prospect will be some one other than J.P. Crawford.  Sanchez received 105 of 254 votes cast (41%).  Scott Kingery (70 votes, 28%) and Crawford (68, 27%) finished second and third.  Seven other players shared eleven votes.

Sanchez remains one of the most talked about prospects in the Phillies’ organization.  I reported last year that Sanchez was signed as a 16-year old international free agent in 2015.  He was discovered when he was asked to pitch to a prospect that a Phillies’ scout wanted to see hit.  After the session, the scout reported that he hadn’t found a hitter, but he had found a pitcher.  At that time, Sanchez had only just converted to pitcher from shortstop.

Sanchez tossed 25.2 innings during the 2015 DSL season.  He wasn’t invited to 2015 Instructs or 2016 spring training, but arrived for extended spring training (XST) and quickly made an impression.  He was selected to the 2016 GCL All Star team at the end of the season as the starting RHP.  Facing batters who averaged 2.5 years older than he, Sanchez posted a 0.50 ERA and a WHIP of 0.759 WHIP in 54.0 IP.  He struck out 44 (7.3/9 IP) and walked 8 (1.3/9 IP).

Sanchez began 2017 at Lakeland.  In spite of being almost four years junior to the rest of the league,  he posted a 2.41 ERA and 0.817 WHIP in 67.1 IP.  He struck out 64 (8.6/9 IP) and walked 9 (1.2/9 IP).  After just 13 starts, he was promoted to Clearwater.

In Clearwater, Sanchez ran into his first adversity as a pitcher.  He suffered losses in four of his five starts, posted a 5.20 ERA, and a 1.301 WHIP in 27.2 IP.  He struck out 20 (6.5/9 IP) but walked 9 (2.9/9 IP).

Sanchez’ Advanced A difficulties could be attributed to his facing advanced hitters, he was five years younger than the average player in the Florida State League.  But, it is equally likely that the long season had an impact.  He threw a combined 95.0 innings in 2017, after less than 80 the previous two seasons (25.2 in ’15 and 54.0 in ’16).  After, last year was only his third as a pitcher.

Sanchez is generously listed at 6-foot.  He throws a mid to upper 90s fastball.  Comfortably. He often hits triple digits.  He introduced a slider in 2016 that was reaching 91 mph.  And, he has expanded his repertoire to include a change up to go along with his curve ball and slider.

It’s really interesting speculating Sanchez’ future.  His ceiling could be quite high, TOR high.  But he’s a young pitcher with a bright future and extreme risk due to his youth and distance from the majors, although it is likely he could see Reading at some point in the 2018 season.

Next up is your selection for the #2 prospect in the organization with Spencer Howard and Thomas Eshelman added to the poll.

By the way, in 2014 when a player other than Crawford was our top prospect, it was Maikel Franco.  Crawford was third behind Jesse Biddle and ahead of Miguel Gonzalez , Carlos Tocci, Roman Quinn, Ethan Martin, Aaron Altherr, Kelly Dugan, Cesar Hernandez.

56 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2018 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #2 Prospect

  1. I posted my Top 10 in the other thread. I have Kingery over Crawford as #2, in a hard choice, due to Kingery’s potential to be a legitimate 5-tool player. Kingery can hit for average and potentially for power, GG defense and good speed and instinct in the base paths. While holding a less demanding 2B position, Kingery has the potential to impact the game in a lot of ways.

  2. I really want to see Kingery play at SS. I read he does not have the arm but I want to know how many outs he gives away because of it.

    Even if he is below average his bat may makeup the difference. Plus it would be great if he could be the Phillies version of Chris Taylor or Marwin Gonzalez.
    Having a stud backup SS who can play any skill position is so valuable over a long season.

    Likewise some teams have versatile catchers: Austin Barnes, Evan Gattis, Wilson Contrares.

    1. We know he’s played well at 2B and CF. Actually if they traded Herrera for a pitcher this off season I’d certainly have Kingery playing CF in AAA and maybe a little 3B though he doesn’t really have the arm for it. About the SS thing he’s not better than JP defensively which is pretty dam important at that position and JP isn’t a slouch at the plate so if Kingery plays at another spot it’s likely CF maybe 3B but I’d wanna see him more there. He wouldn’t get a game at SS unless JP was hurt.

    2. I don’t believe he can play SS effectively but they’ll certainly try him there in spring training and at LHV, in addition to 3B and possibly even CF. Flexibility is the new Phillies buzz word. Give me Kingery at #2! This kid can really play and will be a joy to watch for years to come.

      1. i remembered this post below from after the Phils drafted him. obviously JP at short and Kingery at second makes sense long term, but in short term, if you dont have a good deal for Cesar, and Kingery could come up and get in the lineup at different spots, and JP has seemed to get dinged up now and again so some starts at short could be available….

        “One interesting note that likely won’t apply to the Phillies for obvious reasons, but could come into play down the line: after speculating about it on the site, multiple contacts reached out in agreement that Kingery had the better chance of being a quality shortstop in pro ball than his far more discussed teammate Kevin Newman. As thrilled as I am that my local nine took Kingery in the second round, there’s a part of me that can’t help but be a little bummed that we’ll likely never get to see whether or not he could hack it at short in the pros in this organization”

    3. You would rather see him as a backup shortstop as opposed to a starting second baseman?

  3. I’ll have Crawford third, but have Kingery here. i like a lot of Crawford’s tools, but see him as a .260/.340/.390 guy, whereas Kingery has greater offensive potential.

  4. I see no logic in trading Herrera, and moving Kingry to CF. Is that to keep Cesar on the team? If Kingrey develops as expected and become a good MLB player, I’d much rather see Herrera in CF and Kingery at 2b than Kingery in CF and Hernandez at 2b.

  5. Crawford hit .287/.385/.513 in the second half of the year at AAA. While Crawford and Kingery were playing on the same team, Crawford significantly outhit him and played more valuable defense, while being 8 months younger.

    I think Kingery is a nice prospect, but remove those 300 PAs at Reading from his line and his minor league numbers look really pedestrian. I know those count, but I think people are giving them way too much weight if Crawford and Kingery are seriously being argued here.

    1. Otero…that is very sound reasoning and good information on JPC’s progression.
      That second OPS of .898 is really telling on what to expect from him in the HR/2B areas down the road.
      Though I like to think that Kngery and JPC were not that far apart in judgment of their value as prospects.

      1. Yeah, I agree Romus, it’s fair to argue Kingery vs JP. I think I went a little too far in saying that.

        I do think JP is a tier above Kingery. Like I said to V1 below, I think we’re maybe taking Crawford a little for granted. We saw even in his short time in the majors last year that he can provide value even when hitting .215 just because he’s going to walk a ton and play plus defense at SS. If he hits even .270 with a little power, he’s going to be a very valuable player.

    2. Perception is reality for many and the perception is that Crawford struggled in 2017 while Kingery flourished. As you note, when looking at the numbers, the reality is that both players had strong results for part of the season and then went through an adjustment period after being promoted.

      I’m high on both players moving forward but as noted above, give the nod to Crawford because a good SS is more valuable..

    3. Don’t cherry pick stats to value a prospect.

      Kingery has a Far better power and speed tool. His ability to impact an offfense given those tools is materially higher than JP’s. Both are plus defenders, albeit JP at a slightly more valuable position.

      1. I wouldn’t call pointing out Crawford’s significant second-half improvement cherry picking. He struggled big-time during the first half of the year, to the point where the guys at BA started trashing him, and he responded with a huge second half. If anything, I think it shows tremendous character for the kid.

        In fact, it’s Crawford who arguably has the better body of work across all levels of minor league baseball. Not that I’m down on Kingery … I like him a lot. But I think JPC has demonstrated some elite tools of his own in his time with the organization.

      2. I’m not cherry-picking stats to value them. Eric Longenhagen had a 30 grade on Kingery’s in-game power going into last year. Crawford’s was a 40. What changed over the course of last season where Kingery now has far more power? It couldn’t have been the second half of the year when they were both at LHV. Crawford’s ISO was .226 and Kingery’s was .125. You’re basing that assumption on Kingery’s 300 PAs at Reading, which is a pretty SSS. Plus, it’s Reading!

        And as far as impacting an offense, how can you mention speed and power and ignore Crawford’s borderline elite ability to take a walk and get on base?

        1. JP played a year and a half at AAA and you only focused on the last few months and compared that to a half of a season for Kingery.

          Anyway, Kingery had 26 homers and 29 stolen bases in 132 games. That is a rare power/speed combo. I think JP will be a good pro. But I think that Kingery is a potential game changer.

          1. I probably did a poor job of making my point, but I was trying to say that the only way Kingery can be said to possess way more power is if you focus only on the first half of last year. Crawford was considered to have slightly more in-game power going into 2017 based off of the entirety of their careers (both rated pretty poorly to be fair). Crawford slumps in AAA while Kingery goes bananas in the first half. Then Crawford has the better second half while they’re both at the same level.

            I really do like Kingery, but Crawford was a 60 grade prospect before 2017 and Kingery was a 45. I just don’t think enough changed where he passed Crawford. I feel it’s more of a case of “prospect fatigue” with Crawford where we’re kind of taking him for granted.

  6. Picked Scott Kingery at #2 as he seems like the next player to jump from AAA to the big leagues. Considered picking J.P. Crawford but I think he is not a prospect anymore.

  7. JPC, due to plus defense at a more valuable position and elite OBP potential at the plate. Those two traits alone already make him an above-average MLB shortstop. I think the bat develops, along with a little bit of pop, to make him a first-division regular and occasional All-Star.

    Kingery is next in line to round out an elite top three prospects.

    1. My top 10.

      I never was a big Cozens fan, but we can’t sleep on him given his power and athleticism. And he sure has motivation to work on his weaknesses as he sees OBP teammates like JP and Rhys advance.

      I gave my reasons for my Top Four yesterday: JP nearly a finished product, Kingery still having some things to prove, Sixto like Kingery and lower down in the system, Alfaro as possessing so much talent that, if he puts it all together, we will be happy campers.

      Probably the biggest diversion from consensus is Jo Jo over Kilome. That’s based on what each did last year once promoted. Sometimes, the best tool isn’t a tool, it’s execution:

      1. JP Crawford
      2. Scott Kingery
      3. Sixto Sanchez
      4. Jorge Alfaro
      5. Jaihlyn Ortiz
      6. Roman Quinn
      7. Adam Haseley
      8. Jo Jo Romero
      9. Franklyn Kilome
      10. Dylan Cozens

  8. I put Sixto #1 and voted for Ortiz #2. Having seen Ortiz play a few games I know what type of tools he has. I know he is very far away but the Phillies haven’t had somebody with those tools at that age in forever. I can dream about what I hope he can be.

    1. I think an argument for Ortiz at #4 can be made. The K-rate concerns me a little, but his approach and hitting ability was a pleasant surprise last year. He and Sanchez (along with Moniak and Haseley) are the the players I’m most excited to see in the minors next year.

  9. A good thought entering 2018 – we have 2 legitimate rookie of the year candidates in Kingery and Crawford. Fun to watch that unfold.

    1. 8mark….Kingery, if he doesn’t head north on the 25 in March, then may not be up until latter May/early June. That will really put him behind the 8-ball for the ROY award.

          1. If they want the extra year of control (on Kingery) they will wait. But Klentak may not worry about that and hope to grant an extension at some point down the road to make that extra year of control a dead issue.

            1. They will care and they should. First, I think Kingery could use another 150 abs in AAA. Second, if they are not competing for a playoff spot this year (which seems unlikely now), delaying Kingery’s FA clock is a very good business move and one I fully expect they will avail themselves of.

    2. Alfaro too. Catchers have to be pretty good since they have many off days compared to other players

      1. @BobD: I never thought of that, but you’re right. Catchers have a tough row to hoe to win the award.

        I did a little digging. Here are the catchers who have won Rookie of the Year:

        AL: Thurman Munson, Carlton Fisk, Sandy Alomar Jr.
        NL: Johnny Bench, Earl Williams, Benito Santiago, Mike Piazza, Geovany Soto

        Oddly, four of the eight to win the award were named within five seasons between 1968 and 1972 (Bench, Munson, Williams, Fisk).

        That would be pretty sweet company if Alfaro were to somehow pull it off!

    1. So … he throws eight iterations of three pitches, two of which have at least potential to be plus-plus. That’s … remarkable, particularly considering he’s only been pitching for three years. Think about it: J.P. Crawford, as fast a mover through the system as we’ve seen for a prep pick, had already completed his second professional season before Sixto transitioned into a pitcher.

      The kid’s a natural.

      1. Yeah, he’s a prodigy. The Joel Embiid of pitchers. I’m not trying to be cute either – it’s clear he’s extremely gifted.

        1. I was actually thinking the same thing, for the same reasons you probably were. Just like Embiid switched from volleyball to basketball and immediately absorbed the game, Sanchez appears to be naturally picking up the nuances of pitching. It’s pretty amazing when you think about it.

          1. Yeah, I often think of the converse. Guys who were pitchers and switched to hitting and suddenly were the best hitters around. Specifically Babe Ruth and Stan Musial.

  10. Went Kingery again. Not prospect fatigue on JPC, rather, I think the last year and a half has made me question whether he’s an impact bat in the majors. There is no shame ranking him in this top 3.

  11. I’m going Crawford over Kingery. Positional value and believing that Crawford’s track record will
    Continue in the majors. He has roughly a 3 month learning curve per league then he has it. Time will tell, but I think he figures it out, just as he has done before. I’m sky high on Kingery, but I am concerned about the power numbers, being more of a blip vs for real. Not saying he is not, but that power came out of no where, so hopefully it is here to stay (dodging tomatoes). Is anyone else concerned that his power was more a blip? Maybe Its from years of being a Philadelphia sports fan, but it doesn’t smell all roses to me. I’m not suggesting roids, but maybe a fair amount of luck with opportunity that may not translate at the mlb level. I hope I’m wrong, but I guess I’ll have my answer soon enough.

    1. Interestingly with Kingery…..his SLG% went up approx 100 points each year at Arizona from his freshmen year to his last year……357, .467, .561.
      Then in the pros…..his SLG% also went up upon adjustments made at his respective levels.
      Will he maintain that in the majors…I think he will, but after probablyr an initial period, maybe a year or two, of a lower SLG %

      1. Romus, thanks for talking me down from the ledge, too many years of watching phillies sports can make you cynical … lol sound logic on your part. I’ll come down from the ledge now. I got high hopes for Kingery, the hype is getting real. If theses prospects come through, this team is in a position that the organization has never really been in. An up an comingbroster with a Pipeline of new prospects coming with cash to spend … something doesn’t seem right 🙂

        1. Tac3…..yeah does seem rather strange for a Phillies team to have so many young players on the verge of becoming MLB players, and not just MLB players but players with some distinction. And quality talent, going all the way down the pipeline to the DR academy. Hopefully it pans out like they want.

  12. Wouldn’t it be awesome if Ortiz and Morales turn out to be our best prospects, but we just don’t know it yet? A 16 yr old throwing 95 could be pretty special if he develops and someone Ortiz’s size who can hit, hit for power, throw, and even run decently is a very special player. Fingers crossed, we’ll know more in a year, especially with Ortiz.

    1. That’s the dream, right? Graduate a batch of young players to the bigs and have a batch of prospects ready to level up and take their place. I could certainly see the two of them being top five players in the system in a few years.

  13. Sanchez being #1 just demonstrates everyone’s bias in favor of the Phillies’ desperation for pitching. #ShortSixto

    1. Phillies desperation? Do you see what guys like Cobb and Lynn are asking for? It’s the price for decent pitching, in ALL of baseball. Supply and demand at its finest. How many teams have you seen trade good pitching so far this off season?

      1. Not the point, the Phillies are desperate because they have NOTHING of value in the majors or AAA after Nola. I’m hopeful on 4-5 guys at AA and below, but the reality is for every 4-5 pitching prospects at that age, usually 1 makes it.

  14. Voting Crawford here. Ridiculous to vote against someone with such a high OBP #JP=JustPatient #NotScott

  15. Hopefully we’ll be able to argue JP vs Jetpax for the next 10 years as they carry us to perrenial contender.

    1. was going to say the exact same thing. hope its like arguing between Rollins and Utley. i still lean slightly to JP, but see them more as 2a and 2b.

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