Open Discussion: Week of June 4th

The Phillies were 2-4 last week.  They salvaged another bad week with two wins this weekend over the Giants.  They still have the worst record in baseball, 19-35 with a .352 winning percentage.

The highlight of the week was Ben Lively’s one-run, seven inning performance Saturday night.

The Phillies have redone their web site.  When I click on “sortable schedule” (to pull up the box scores for the previous week), I now get a ticket purchasing menu.  Like, who would buy tickets to see this team.  So, expect the Phillies info to drop off quite a bit at the top of these discussions.  I’ve got nothing else.

Here’s the open discussion thread for Phillies’ talk and other topics.

Key dates remaining:

  • June 12-14th – Rule 4 Draft
  • June 15th – Last XST game
  • June 19th – Williamsport’s season begins
  • June 26th – GCL Phillies’ season begins
  • July 31st – Non-waiver Trade Deadline
  • December 10-14th – Winter Meetings in Orlando
  • December 14th – Rule 5 Draft

Transactions: (includes roster juggling and paper moves)

  • 6/4 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed RHP Zach Eflin on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to June 3, 2017
  • 6/3 – Phillies recalled LHP Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 6/3 – Phillies recalled RHP Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 6/3 – Phillies optioned RHP Mark Leiter to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 6/3 – Phillies placed RHP Joaquin Benoit on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to June 1, 2017. Left knee sprain.
  • 6/3 – LHP Hoby Milner assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 6/3 – LF Jiandido Tromp assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 6/2 – DSL Phillies Red placed RHP Gregorix Mateo on the restricted list.
  • 6/2 – 2B Leandro Medina assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Santy Prada assigned to DSL Phillies White from GCL Phillies.
  • 6/2 – RHP Alexis Araujo assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – SS Jose Tortolero assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – LHP Alfredo Benitez assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – 2B Nicolas Torres assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RF Alexito Feliz assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – Julio Francisco assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Aldemar Rivas assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – Wilberson Liendo assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Ruben Aponte assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – C Juan Aparicio assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – C Juan Mendez assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – OF Rusbel Vasquez assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – C Ronaldo Gonzalez assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Jonas De La Cruz assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Ramon Rosso assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – LHP Anderson Parra assigned to DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Ramiro Soto assigned to DSL Phillies White from GCL Phillies.
  • 6/2 – SS Yeremy Nunez assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Jean Carlos Valdez assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Yorbys Tabares assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Carlos Salazar assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Luis Pacheco assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – DSL Phillies White activated RHP Melvin Nunez.
  • 6/2 – RHP Yeison Sanchez assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Sandro Rosario assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – LHP Anton Kuznetsov assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – LHP Manuel Silva assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – CF Simon Muzziotti assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Robinson Martinez assigned to GCL Phillies from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Oscar Marcelino assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – Phillies activated LF Daniel Nava from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 6/2 – Phillies optioned RHP Ricardo Pinto to Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 6/2 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Ramon Rosso to a minor league contract
  • 6/2 – Phillies signed free agent C Ronaldo Gonzalez to a minor league contract
  • 6/2 – LHP Hoby Milner assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 6/2 – RHP Jesen Therrien assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils
  • 6/2 – RHP Ranfi Casimiro assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 6/2 – RHP Yacksel Rios assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils
  • 6/2 – RF Zachary Coppola assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 6/2 – LHP Jeff Singer assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 6/2 – Clearwater Threshers activated RHP Edgar Garcia.
  • 6/2 – LHP Gabriel Yanez assigned to DSL Phillies Red from GCL Phillies.
  • 6/2 – RHP Victor Santos assigned to DSL Phillies Red from GCL Phillies.
  • 6/2 – LHP Yefferson Mercedes assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Dalvin Rosario assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – SS Edgar Made assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Jorbin Romero assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Jeison Blanco assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – LHP Junior Tejada assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Antonio Canizales assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Alessandro Ciarla assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Abdallah Aris assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – RHP Leonel Aponte assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – C Carlos Oropeza assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – LHP Gustavo Ferrer assigned to DSL Phillies Red from DSL Phillies White.
  • 6/2 – SS Christian Valerio assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – SS Luiggi Mujica assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – SS Frailin Serra assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – C Luis Rojas assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – 3B Enny Rondon assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – OF Jevi Hernandez assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – OF Luis Matos assigned to DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – DSL Phillies White placed RHP Melvin Nunez on the 60-day disabled list.
  • 6/2 – DSL Phillies White placed RHP Derwuin Marchan on the 60-day disabled list.
  • 6/2 – RHP Carlos Francisco assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/2 – RHP Osvaldo Arauz assigned to DSL Phillies White from DSL Phillies Red.
  • 6/1 – SS Chandler Hall retired
  • 5/26 – DSL Phillies Red released C Ismael Rosado
  • 5/20 – DSL Phillies Red released C Luis Liriano
  • 5/20 – DSL Phillies Red released DH Rony Noboa
  • 5/20 – DSL Phillies Red released LF Jose Estrada
  • 4/30 – 3B Leonardo Colagrossi retired
  • 3/26 – DSL Phillies Red released RHP Yeral Gomez
  • 6/1 – SS Emmanuel Marrero assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training
  • 6/1 – RHP Tyler Frohwirth assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 6/1 – 3B Jose Antequera assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers
  • 6/1 – LHP Jeff Singer assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers
  • 5/31 – Phillies placed RHP Vince Velasquez on the 10-day disabled list. Right flexor strain.
  • 5/31 – Phillies recalled RHP Ricardo Pinto from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/30 – Phillies sent OF Daniel Nava on a rehab assignment to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/30 – RF Aaron Brown assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/30 – Reading Fightin Phils activated RHP Victor Arano from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/29 – Phillies activated LF Howie Kendrick.
  • 5/29 – Phillies sent LF Daniel Nava on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/29 – Phillies optioned RHP Zach Eflin to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/28 – RHP Franklyn Kilome assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/28 – RHP Edgar Garcia assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/26 – Reading Fightin Phils placed 3B Harold Martinez on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to May 25, 2017. Finger sprain.
  • 5/25 – Jose Antequera assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/25 – Jonathan Guzman assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/25 – Phillies activated RHP Jeanmar Gomez from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 5/25 – Phillies optioned Adam Morgan to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/25 – Washington Nationals traded C Nick Rickles to Philadelphia Phillies.
  • 5/25 – C Nick Rickles assigned to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/25 – Reading Fightin Phils released C Joel Fisher.
  • 5/25 – Lakewood BlueClaws activated SS Arquimedes Gamboa from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/25 – 3B Jose Antequera assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/24 – Phillies sent OF Howie Kendrick on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/24 – RHP Franklyn Kilome assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/24 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/23 – Phillies placed LF Daniel Nava on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to May 21, 2017. Left hamstring strain.
  • 5/23 – Phillies recalled LHP Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/23 – RHP Colton Murray assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/23 – Reading Fightin Phils released LHP Mario Hollands.
  • 5/23 – Clearwater Threshers activated LHP Tyler Gilbert from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/22 – Lakewood BlueClaws released LHP Zach Morris.
  • 5/22 – LHP Casey Brown assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/21 – SS Jonathan Guzman assigned to Clearwater Threshers from DSL Phillies.
  • 5/21 – SS Emmanuel Marrero assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/21 – Phillies activated RHP Aaron Nola from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 5/21 – Phillies optioned Adam Morgan to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/20 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/20 – RHP Tyler Frohwirth assigned to Clearwater Threshers from GCL Phillies.
  • 5/19 – Phillies recalled Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/19 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/18 – Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/16 – Reading Fightin Phils activated 3B Harold Martinez from the 7-day DL.
  • 5/16 – Austin Davis assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/16 – Harold Arauz assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/16 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/16 – Tyler Hallead assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/16 – Tom Windle assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/15 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers
  • 5/15 – Jose Taveras assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 5/15 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released LHP Wander Perez (0-0, 5.63).
  • 5/15 – Phillies optioned Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/14 – Phillies recalled Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/13 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/13 – SS Jorge Flores assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/13 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed 2B Jesmuel Valentin on the 7-day disabled list. Left shoulder strain.
  • 5/12 – Phillies recalled RHP Luis Garcia from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/11 – LHP Zach Morris assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/11 – RHP Sixto Sanchez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/11 – Phillies optioned RHP Jake Thompson to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/10 – Lakewood BlueClaws released 3B Danny Zardon.
  • 5/10 – SS Raul Rivas assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 5/10 – Tyler Viza assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/10 – Reading Fightin Phils activated RHP John Richy from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/10 – Phillies optioned RHP Jake Thompson to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – Austin Davis assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/9 – Jose Taveras assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/9 – Wander Perez assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/9 – Phillies placed RHP Jeanmar Gomez on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to May 6, 2017. Right elbow impingement.
  • 5/9 – Phillies sent RHP Aaron Nola on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – RHP Casey Fien assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – Seattle Mariners traded RHP Casey Fien to Philadelphia Phillies for cash.
  • 5/9 – Phillies recalled Ty Kelly from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/8 – RHP Tom Eshelman assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/8 – LHP Wander Perez assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/7 – Austin Davis assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/7 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/6 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/6 – LHP Zach Morris assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/5 – Phillies recalled Jake Thompson from Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 5/5 – Phillies optioned Ty Kelly to Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 5/4 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Luis Suarez to a minor league contract.
  • 5/4 – RHP Matt Hockenberry assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/3 – Clearwater Threshers placed LHP Tyler Gilbert on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/2 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/2 – Osmel Aguila assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/2 – Reading Fightin Phils placed 3B Harold Martinez on the 7-day disabled list. Lower back strain.
  • 5/2 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/2 – Ranfi Casimiro assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 5/2 – Harold Arauz assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/2 – RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – Phillies optioned RHP Luis Garcia to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/30 – Phillies recalled RHP Nick Pivetta from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/30 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/30 – RHP Shane Watson assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – RHP Ranfi Casimiro assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/30 – RHP Mauricio Llovera assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – Lakewood BlueClaws released RHP Kenny Koplove.
  • 4/29 – Felix Paulino assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/29 – Lakewood BlueClaws activated RHP Trevor Bettencourt from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/28 – RHP Mauricio Llovera assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/28 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/27 – 1B Darick Hall assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/27 – 1B Alex Wojciechowski assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/27 – Cole Irvin assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 4/27 – Keudy Bocio assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/26 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/26 – LHP Ranger Suarez assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/26 – Reading Fightin Phils activated SS Jorge Flores from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/26 – RHP Shane Watson assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/25 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/25 – 2B Keudy Bocio assigned to Clearwater Threshers from DSL Phillies.
  • 4/24 – RHP Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/24 – Phillies placed RHP Aaron Nola on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 21, 2017. Lower back strain.
  • 4/23 LHP Cole Irvin assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/22 LHP Ranger Suarez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws
  • 4/22 RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/22 Phillies transferred RHP Clay Buchholz from the 10-day disabled list to the 60-day disabled list. Torn flexor tendon in right elbow.
  • 4/22 Toronto Blue Jays traded 3B Ty Kelly to Philadelphia Phillies for cash.
  • 4/21 LHP Joey DeNato assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/21 RHP Matt Hockenberry assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/21 Phillies activated RHP Pat Neshek from the paternity list.
  • 4/21 Phillies optioned RHP Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/20 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/20 – Franklyn Kilome assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/19 – Phillies placed RHP Pat Neshek on the paternity list.
  • 4/19 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs activated RHP Colton Murray from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/19 – Phillies recalled RHP Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/19 – RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/19 – RHP Kenny Koplove assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/18 – Phillies placed LF Howie Kendrick on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 16, 2017. Right abdominal strain.
  • 4/18 – Phillies placed RHP Clay Buchholz on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 15, 2017. Torn flexor tendon in right forearm.
  • 4/18 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Carlos Francisco to a minor league contract.
  • 4/18 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Alexis Herrera to a minor league contract.
  • 4/18 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Mark Leiter from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/18 – Phillies recalled RHP Zach Eflin from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/18 – LHP Wander Perez assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/18 – Lakewood BlueClaws placed RHP Trevor Bettencourt on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to April 16, 2017.
  • 4/18 – LHP JoJo Romero assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • The organization rosters are almost up to date.

 

150 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of June 4th

  1. A little Over/Under time . . .

    JP Crawford .210 season batting average (Under)

    Hoskins/Cozens 55 HR season total (Over)

    Williams 22 HR season total (Under)

    Appel ERA 5.00 (Under)

    Hoskins .295 season batting average (Over)

    Cozens .250 season batting average (Under)

    Alfaro 10 BB season total (Under)

    Kingery 28 HR season total (Under)

    Kingery .295 season batting average (Under)

    Moniak .270 season batting average (Over)

    1. Crawford .210- Over
      Hoskins/Cozens 55 HR- Over
      Williams 22HR- At or slightly over
      Appel 5.00 ERA- Over
      Hoskins .295- Over
      Cozens .250- Under
      Alfaro 10BB- At or slightly under
      Kingery 28HR- Under
      Kingery .295- Over
      Moniak .270- Over

  2. Crawford gets to 210, and has an obp of 360
    Kingery absolutely hits 300 in AA
    And Williams hits 25 plus unless he is called up before that

    1. I don’t want to start a whole debate about JPC, as we’ve already had enough of these on this site, but if he finishes the season with stats similar to the ones you posted above, how do we project him as a prospect going forward? I know he’s still young for the league, but those numbers, know matter you you break them down, don’t seem indicative of an impact player at the ML level, let alone a top prospect. Again, I’m not trying to start anything, but should we, as Phillies fans, still put our future, long-term SS hopes and dreams on JPC?

      1. I’m as big a Crawford supporter as anyone but obviously if his ceiling is as a .210 he’s not an impact (or any type of player) at the major league level.

        Even if he ends 2017 in that range, that doesn’t mean that’s what he is long-term. Just means that he will not be their opening day SS in 2018…

        1. He started off so poorly, I meant to say he will hit above that
          But yeah in order to get over the hurdle of batting so poorly in May he will have had to hit very well the rest of the year to accomplish that , so I don’t think that procludes him from being the opening day short stop , he will just need to hit/play , in the possible call up and then in spring training.

          1. Well if he ends the season at .210 that pretty much means he hits around .215-.220 from June through August. I highly doubt he gets any serious consideration for 2018 if that’s the result for the rest of 2017…

            1. I don’t think there are necessarily any numerical plateaus for Crawford to get a call up so long as his %s are steadily heading north.

      2. focusing on BA is a short sighted if not lazy way to value a key position – SS. JPC is known for his plate discipline but during his draft days but he has question mark in his ability to hit, thus, sliding in the draft. JPC is a career > 0.260 ave and > 0.360 OBP player with advance defensive skills which are visible to the eye.

        I don’t think that the Phils will rely on JPC to carry the offensive load of the next Phillies team, but even as a 0.250/0.360/0.700 hitter with plus defensive skills at a premium position, JPC is still a valuable piece to a contending team.

        i’m high on prospects with legit plus skills and mental aptitude in regardless of the statistical results. JPC falls into that category (same Quinn, Kingery) and I still believe that his overall skill set (not just his BA) will make him an important piece of the next contending Phillies team.

        1. Kurdt – it was just a dumb/fun “exercise” or whatever you want to call it . . .

          Also you have to remember some of these guys are going to get called up which is why I don’t think Hoskins/Williams hit more than 55 on the year (in the minors that is) and Kingey will prob get the call to AAA so that may affect his BA. Again just something to break up the usual convo.

          1. @eric – i’m ok with the over(under) exercise. i’m just commenting for those who literally write off Crawford as a good prospect because of the low BA.

            i’m actually surprised when JPC was universally ranked as Top 5 prospect at some point in time — the ranking created an undue expectation for JPC as a position players to be offensively capable (similar to for a pitching prospect to be a TOR).

            JPC may not be the next coming of J-smooth but he will be a better option than Galvis.

    1. Yeah I have to admit I was excited to get Appel in that trade but man he is just not the Stanford kid I remember.
      I’d say he needs some sport psychologist and maybe some regular psychologist action, I just can’t seem to get why his stuff can be so good and he have all the physical tools and just not be able to put it together.

      1. I think he has a bunch of challenges. There is definitely a strong psychological aspect to his struggles – or so it would seem. But here’s the biggest issue – contrary to popular reports, his stuff ISN’T that good. His FB is very straight and velocity is only a tick above average (92-94) – it’s a 40/50 pitch at best and he struggles with location. Some of his breaking pitches have plus potential but he has below average command, so, right now, they are also average pitches at best.

        I know he has struggled out of the pen, but I think, unless he turns this around soon, they need to try him there. They need to put him somewhere that his stuff may improve. Right now, he’s just another guy and, by the way, so is Jake Thompson, one of the biggest trade disappointments I can remember (because he was so highly touted before the trade – by contrast, Appel had already failed in Houston – he was a lottery ticket).

        1. I guess I was going on old reports
          I thought he was 60 /65 FB
          And 60 / 65 slider
          But straight 92 mph and no command isn’t to pretty.

          1. The FB is like 45/55 (45 now, 55 if could command it). The slider is like 50/65 – it’s a good pitch but he struggles throwing it for strikes.

    2. Since when is establshing an over/under ERA of 5.00 indicative of showing love for a player?

  3. BTW, just read Brock was sent down to AA.

    Regular at-bats will do him some good. Still hoping he has a future in The Show…especially since his dad reads this site =)

    1. Yeah I mean he can’t play in front of Hoskins
      But they could have played him in the outfield at Lehigh
      With Quinn and Cozens now banged up

    2. This is a positive development. It means that Andy Knapp can get some ABs at first until Hoskins is promoted.

    3. Excited to see Brock get regular ABs! Knapp should be getting 75% of MLB at bats at C.

    4. Stassi could be back if Nava/Saunders/Kendrick get traded and they need a lefthanded bat with some versatility at 1B & OF. Even though his BA is around 200 he showed both patience at the plate and decent pop

    5. Stassi’s making the opening day roster never made much sense based on them also keeping Nava. They basically fill the same role with Nava having the added ability to play the OF…

  4. Yankees looking for a third baseman.
    I wonder if Cashman has contacted Klentak and inquired about Franco?

    1. At first I scoffed at the suggestion that anyone would give up anything for Franco, but then I remembered something we often say about him: he’d probably be a better hitter if he had more protection. The Yankees have a much better lineup with the Phillies (as if that needed saying) and, with star prospects like Torres on the way, it could be that much better very soon. If Klentak is able to sell Cashman on his upside, despite what he’s actually produced at the plate over the past half year or so, then I’d say there’s non-zero chance of that trade happening.

      1. Yankees did like him in ’09/’10 signing period and made an offer….but were $5K short of the Phillies bid of $100K.
        Hard to believe that with the money they have spending in the LA market!

        1. Franco also gave the Yankees a good first impression when he crushed them in a 2015 series.

          However, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to sell a power bat.

          The slumps that Franco and Herrera endured might be the best things that have happened to them, helping them get their heads on straight. I noticed that Odubel didn’t flip his bat after his home run.

    2. I can visualize Franco in Yankee pinstripes. If he were able to maintain a go-with-the-pitch swing, he would do well with the short porch on RF. He might get you a top 5 prospect IF he continues to heat up at the plate.

      1. And with the Ryan Lawrence report last week via an org source suggesting Kingery will get work at other position(s), I wonder if that would be on the FO’s table.

        1. ….or IF El Torito continues to heat up, would a trade of him open up a return to CF for Jetpax.

          1. be careful, there are 2 players in this Phillies line up that you cannot mention in a trade. the WAR people will going to hunt you down.

            1. If he goes on a tear to end the year and finishes with a 4.0 WAR they should absolutely consider trading him. Outfield is our deepest position and he could be packaged for a TOR starter.

              If they trade Herrera in a package for a TOR guy, sign JD Martinez, Shift Altherr to Center, and either play Quinn/Cozens/Williams/Pullin/Kingery in RF or sign a placeholder the team is upgraded substantially for 2018.

    3. Why would the Phillies want to trade Franco while his value is tanked? It’s not like he’s blocking someone from taking his spot…

  5. I don’t know how much value either has right now. Neshek and Kendrick should bring something back. Hellickson not worth very much in trade either. I wonder if they are going to do the bring vets in routine next year as well?

    1. @matt – i think it will depends on the development of the young pitchers. If the trio of Nola-VV-Eickhoff can be relied upon day-in-day-out, the Phils will not sign any 1-year deal but rather a TOR arm in a multi year-deal (my hope is Otani). The bullpen is always in need of a stabilizing veteran arm or an established closer (if they are contending) — so if Neris, Ramos, Pinto (and/or Appel and Arano) can be reliable back of the pen arms (and any of the 4 has closer stuff), then the hole only a LHP especially if none of the internal candidates like Davis, Joely, Milner, deNato can fill the role.

      as far as positional players – the Phils are probably sold with TJ-Cesar-Galvis-Franco-Hoskins-JPC-Kingery-Valentin to fill the starting 4 and 2 bench players (probably Galvis and Valentin) and Alfaro with be the C (and Knapp as back up or call up Bossart in the middle of 2018). OF trio will be Altherr-Quinn-Doobie with Nick, Cozens, Pullin (and Tocci) coming in. The Phils might roll on Stassi and Perkins as bats coming from the bench.

      With all of the recent non-committal FA signings, I can see the Phils spending big on top FA’s available.

      1. I think Chris Tillman may be a guy to keep an eye on. MacPhail acquired him once already and he’s had some success with the Orioles.

  6. Herrera probably didn’t flip his bat after Sunday’s HR because he did it Saturday with the bases loaded and the ball hit the warning track. Albeit, it was a bases clearing double (could’ve been a triple?) but that’s got to be a little embarrassing.

  7. Going to put this here because the draft discussion thread for this week is not up yet. I’ll move it there when that thread goes up. Eric Longenhagen has released his first mock http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-2017-mock-draft/#more-255488. I love what he writes for the Phillies.

    8. Philadelphia – Pavin Smith, 1B, Virginia
    Scouting director Johnny Almaraz and advisor/hitting genius Charlie Manuel were at the ACC Tournament and GM Matt Klentak has seen the UVA kids. I also think there’s a chance they cut a deal here to try to move Trevor Rogers back to their second pick, or they could just take Rogers here.

    Cutting a deal with Pavin Smith to maneuver Trevor Rogers to pick #45 is a dream scenario for me. Smith and Rogers have been two of my favorite players in this draft. To be honest, though, I find it hard to believe Rogers will make it to #45 (even with a promised way-over slot deal in place) to the Phillies.

    1. @hinkie – i’m with you here. having both will highlight this year’s draft and i hope that the Phils will get at least one of Smith or Rogers but I give it 90% probability that Rogers not getting past Rd 1 unless the Phils will commit overslot value bigger than Gowdy. Brendan Little and Seth Romero might be there at 2.45 (I like Garrett Mitchell at 2.45) — but I’m not sure if JA likes them.

      another scenario I’m thinking is that the Phils will draft both Beck’s at 1.8 (Austin Beck) and 2.45 (Tristan Beck).

        1. Yes Romus! I am all in for Beck at 1.8! I’d love that pick! …Why give up the farm in a trade, or pay a bundle in 3 years for Trout when you can draft what could be Trout 2.0. 🙂 Wishful thinking. (Braves are smart and may take him 1.5)

          …I’m afraid Phillies are going college arm. Several mocks say Faedo, who is considered ‘safe’ with ceiling of #2/3 SP. I’m not a fan.

          1. John, I’ve seen more mocks with the Phillies taking Pavin than anyone else. Baz has been on 2 or 3. Beck as well. Saw Faedo once recently. U of VA has been crowded with Phils reps lately. Last year, Moniak was getting the same attention Pavin is getting now.

      1. Yeah. It’s going to be harder to force guys to your next pick this year because MLB has revised the bonus slots. They’re more evenly spaced out (smaller $$$ differences from pick to pick) this year. Some reasonable candidates I like at #45 are: Mark Vientos, Quentin Holmes, Garrett Mitchell, Blayne Enlow, Jake Eder, and Brendan Little.
        Third Round Guys I Like: Zac Lowther, Luke Heimlich, Deon Stafford, and Garret Cave

        1. 1.08 = Baz or Ian Anderson-underslot type for Rogers
          2.45 = Enlow-Scherff-Beck-Mitchell-Vientos
          3.83 = Hurt (or Estrada-McMahon-Leach)

          Heimlich and Lowther are like Cole Irvin redux and both should be available at 3.83.

        2. comp picks can still be traded, right? hadnt heard of any deals this year.

          thinking back to last year when Baltimore gave up their pick after round 2 just to unload Brian Matuz’ contract- wondering if they would do the same this year to unload the rest of Ubaldo’s 13 million and his 6 plus era.

          1. Absolutely the correct thing to do, RAEF. Baltimore almost always trades it’s competitive balance pick. I’d also be on the phone with playoff contenders (Rockies at #70, Indians at #71, Orioles at #74, and Astros # 75) to offer Pat Neshak for their pick. Those picks come with close to 800-thousand dollars in slot money.

    2. I like Trevor Rogers at 45…….though our guy Tom does not think he will make it down that far.

    3. Heard Jim Callis, say Pavin Smith shouldn’t go till 15 to 20. Said Evan White is more athletic and a better hitter.

    4. He also said Phillies might draft Rogers at 1: 8.. the Mystery Man Rogers flying up the draft boards.

      1. Rogers is pretty legit. I don’t think he cracks the top 10; however, I have him going 14th now to KC. Initially, he’s been hovering in the 20-30 range

    1. If the Phillies cannot sign him…prefer Harper goes AL.
      Machado and Harper two biggies after next season.

      1. Harper is really hard to ignore because he is exactly the perfect fit to what the Phils need — a LH RF who can be a productive middle of the order bat for years to come. I don’t see Cozens staying at RF and i’m still not convinced with Altherr.

        1. There’s reports out there he wants to go to Chicago but I don’t see any way they can afford him.

          I think the Yankees and Dodgers are going to be the Phillies biggest competition if they want to sign Harper. The Yankees are going to have a young core in place and he would rake in that ballpark. The Dodgers already have Seager & Bellinger in place, Harper would fit right in with them.

          1. Don’t agree with your assessment of the Cubs who have only 4 big contracts post-2018. If he wants Chicago, then the Cubs trade Schwarber. You’ll recognize Cub interest in how they go after some of their own free agents this off-season.

            1. Not a chance they can pay Harper & Bryant. Keep in mind they aren’t deep with pitching depth in their system so they’re going to need to go out and buy guys and pitching is very expensive and I don’t see the costs getting any lower.

  8. It is still early Romus, but $500 Million is a lot of $! Not my $, I know, but something tells me the Phils are not spending what we think or hope they spend, and I don’t know that spending that much on Trout makes us a contending team. There has to be a great deal of progression from our prospects that just adding Harper does it. And, Otani as well, or some other TOR starter? Then Trout, too? I will only believe it after I see them all wearing Phils’ pinstripes.

    1. Otani (2017) – Machado (2018) -Trout (2020) can be had for about $110-120M and the overall payroll will only around $170-180M for a number of years since the rest of the team will be under control.

      Nola, VV and Eickhoff will be under team control until 2022. Quinn, Alfaro, Ramos, Eflin, Jake until 2023. Cozens, Nick, Pinto, Anderson, etc until 2024/2025 and reinforcements like Hoskins, Kingery, Kilome, JPC, Arano, Seranthony are pre-Arb and 2nd wave consists of Sixto, Gowdy, Medina, Moniak, Ortiz, C, Brito, Stobbe are team minimum in the early 2020s.

      Add the recent success in J2 and Rule 4, the Phils can construct a team with a lot of payroll flexibility even signing 1-3 top FA in the next 2-3 years.

      1. KuKo…you cannot go by the team control ‘out dates’…..their arb years start to build up the salary base, especially if they are any good. For example. next season Franco is eligible for arbitration , so his number will start ascending.

        1. @romus – numbers might go up, but it will not be crazy-like over paying in case of free agency.

          1. Yes, agree…….I just do not see them signing or getting all three of those players. The bidding for Otani, and also Machado or Harper will be too much for them to stomach

            1. and i believe that some of these players who will Arbitration eligible might be traded even before the arbitration starts. i marked 2019 as the year to contend and my projected roster as of 04/01/2019 makes up the basis for most of my arguments as to who to sign and who needs to be traded,

            2. If the bidding is too much for them to stomach, Romus – we’re screwed. They better get a stomach and soon.

      2. Kuko, sounds like Harper is the more likely target than Machado who might be their fall back. If we also sign Otani, then either one will rejuvenate the fan base. Trout in ’20 is so far away, it’s hard to get excited right now. But I will then.

        1. 8mark……sounds like you are making your Christmas list for a few years down the road. Better check that egg nog, sounds like it is spiked with rum…..myself, just get that number one pick in 2018 and I will settle for a Beer

          1. One year at a time, Romus. I want Otani under the pine tree this December. Will he fit?
            If so, he’ll attract names like Machado or Harper.

        2. yup, i agree. as ai mentioned earlier, Harper is the perfect fit – but the Harper route might be a painful process which can force Middleton to look to a different option — Machado.

          1. For every rationale involving the Phils’ signing Harper there are 4 to 5 that indicate they won’t; starting with his agent, his expressed desire for another team, the Nats’ ongoing interest, Harper’s awareness of how Werth is seen in Philly and on and on. I think there are few less likely candidates in all of baseball to wear the candystripes than Harper. In fact, I can’t think of any.

      3. I don’t think you’re close with those figures on Trout or Machado. Trout is going to get at least what Pujols got on his last deal and Machado at least what Stanton got.

        1. You guys crack me up – Trout getting what Pujols got ($240 million); PUH-lease. He will probably at least double that. Trout and Harper will both get paid over $40 million a year with 10-12 year contacts and, if they produce at the same rates they have produced historically, they will be worth it. I predict that one or both of them will get a $500 million contract and both will probably have opt-out clauses after year 4 or 5. It’s going to make your head spin.

          1. Catch knows what he’s talking about. No way Trout only gets 240M. He’s the best player in baseball.

  9. I made a quick projection of April 1, 2019 25-man and 40-man which includes the assumption that the Phils will open their wallet to sign Machado ($40M AAV) and Otani ($35 AAV) and Trout demanded and trade and will only sign extension with the Phils. I also assume that the progressions are linear within the next 24 months use homegrown talents to avoid further complications. Based on my projection, the Phils can put together a solid contending team and commit almost $120M for 3 players and will not even sniff the luxury tax threshold.

    POS PLAYER B/T AGE SALARY (Age and Salary as based as of 04/01/2019)

    C Alfaro R 25 Pre-Arb
    1B Hoskins R 26 Pre-Arb
    2B Kingery R 25 Pre-Arb
    3B Machado R 26 $40M (see Note A)
    SS Crawford L 24 Pre-Arb
    LF Trout R 27 $33.2M (see Note B)
    CF Quinn S 25 Pre-Arb
    RF Cozens L 24 Pre-Arb

    SP1 Otani RH 24 $35M (see Note C)
    SP2 Kilome RH 23 Pre-Arb
    SP3 Nola RH 25 Pre-Arb
    SP4 Vinny RH 26 Pre-Arb
    SP5 Eickhoff RH 28 Pre-Arb

    RP-MI Pinto RHP 25 Pre-Arb
    RP-MI Arano RHP 24 Pre-Arb
    RP-MI Anderson RHP 25 Pre-Arb
    RP-SE Pivetta RHP 26 Pre-Arb
    RP-SE Singer LHP 25 Pre-Arb
    RP-SE Ramos RHP 26 Pre-Arb
    RP-CL Neris RHP 29 Arb#1 ($7M)

    BE-C Knapp S 27 Pre-Arb
    BE-INF Valentin S 24 Pre-Arb
    BE-1B Martin L 26 Pre-Arb
    BE-LF Pullin L 25 Pre-Arb
    BE-OF Tocci R 23 Pre-Arb

    C Bossart R 25 Pre-Arb LHV
    C Grullon R 23 Pre-Arb LHV
    2B Brito R 21 Pre-Arb REA
    SS Canelo R 24 Pre-Arb LHV
    SS Gamboa S 21 Pre-Arb REA
    OF Coppola L 25 Pre-Arb LHV
    SP Dominguez RHP 24 Pre-Arb LHV
    SP Eshelman RHP 24 Pre-Arb LHV
    SP Medina RHP 22 Pre-Arb REA
    SP Leibrandt LHP 26 Pre-Arb LHV
    SP El Garcia LHP 24 Pre-Arb LHV
    RP Davis LHP 26 Pre-Arb LHV
    RP Rivero RHP 24 Pre-Arb LHV
    RP Therrien RHP 26 Pre-Arb LHV
    RP Ed Garcia RHP 22 Pre-Arb REA

    Note A Agreed to sign for $40M AAV

    Note B Trout demands a trade (and signs a $40M AAV extension) and LAA agreed for a package of Moniak, Sixto, Doobie, Williams, Appel, Pujols

    Note C Agreed to sign for $35M AAV + share in profit for Sushi and Karaoke resto

    Note D Traded Away – Eflin, Lively, Jake, Franco, Cesar, TJ, Tirado

    Note E Phils to make decision to add the following in the 40-man by Nov 2019
    (Ortiz, C, Balter, Fanti, Irvin, Blake Quinn, Dyer, Hall, Hennigan, Kelzer)

    Note F Phils to make decision to add the following in the 40-man by Nov 2020
    (Romero, Gowdy, Stobbe, Stephen, Young)

    1. KuKo…looks like the only thing you over looked is, who will be riding lead dog on the float in the parades down Broad Street..

    2. Kuko, regarding the Trout trade – why would LAA want 3 LH hitting OFs? They have Trout’s heir apparent in Calhoun already. I would think you’d have to offer Altherr(R) as well along with a catcher, 1b and 2b which is where we’re deep, along with 2 top young arms.

      1. @8mark – the trade scenario obviously go into hundreds of direction which all of them holds merit. my assumption is based on Trout forcing LAA’s hand and the package will be highlighted by Moniak and Sixto who can be Top 20 prospects by the time of the trade. Altherr, Cesar, Franco, Grullon,Knapp, etc can be included for arguments purposes but Trout himself will be a key driver in determining his value (i.e. will not rescind no-trade except for the Phils, will not sign extension other than the Phils).

      2. also, the Trout trade warrants a separate topic and my assumption is purely hypothetical. but the package i offer will be highlighted by 2 Top 20 type prospects with 70-80 grade FB (Sixto) and 70-80 Hit (Moniak) so it is not a ridiculous/low ball offer to make.

        1. I can’t recall a precedent for a player attempting to force a trade with 2 years left on his contract. After the ’19 season, the Angels, sensing an inability to re-sign Trout (and all clubs are run with some optimism), could begin to shop Trout. So, realistically (used advisedly) you’re thinking of a major trade for one extra year of Trout. I wouldn’t do it but instead would go all in once he becomes a free agent. Hopefully the Phils have signed either Otani or Machado in the meantime.

    3. just a clarification – my post about the 25-man/40-man is just to make a case that the Phils payroll will not explode even after singing 1-3 top FAs with $35-40 AAVs. I want just to point out that with the depth in the farm, the Phils can create a lot of payroll flexibility that should not stop them in acquiring multiple FAs in the future.

      The Trout trade is just an assumption based on Trout forcing LAA’s hand. I just used him to add another $40M in the projected payroll. Without Trout, the Phils will even have more flexibility to add 1-2 top FAs.

    4. While I am stunned that you took the time to write out this post, the odds of the Phillies getting Trout, Otani and Machado are practically zero.

      As much as you believe the the Phillies will have tons of money to spend, there will always be these 3 teams that have more: Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. So If one of those 3 teams want their guy, they will get them. That much pretty much rules out Machado and Otani. Also, the Phillies have no history going after Japanese players. And the above 3 teams that I named have a strong history, so that’s another strike against us.

      The Phillies got Roy Halladay because Halladay was already 32, hadn’t sniffed the playoffs, and he felt that time was running out in the tough AL East. And in Halladay’s last season with the Blue Jays (2009), their payroll was 80M. In comparison, the Red Sox was 120M and the Yankees was 200M.

      Mike Trout will only be 26 in August. There is no “clock is ticking” for him. He’s going to be a FA in 2021 (age 30). He can afford to wait until FA, he doesn’t have to demand a trade. And you can say that the Angels are mismanaged and can’t draft for beans, but you can’t say that they are cheap. The Angels payroll for 2017 is 166M. So there is time for the Angels to build a team around Trout to entice him to stay in an Angels uniform.

      1. if Middleton and company will just assume (like what you did) that they cannot compete with BOS, NYY and LAD in acquiring players even if they have the capability to do so, then, all of those things that Middleton did to be in power is useless.

        Middleton said that he will spend and he wants to win — and i believe him more than i believe in what you think. And Middleton is a great businessman, he knows that great things happen if you overcome overwhelming odds. the Phils may not get all of the top FA agents, but they will be in there for every big name available and will not just give up just because BOS, NYY and LAD are there.

        I put a caveat about the Mike Trout trade scenario. Sorry, if you don’t understand it.

        1. I never said that the Phillies won’t try to sign those guys. Odds are, they just won’t get them.

          Middleton wanting to spend and win is a good thing. Teams do win without having the very best players in baseball on their team. It’s nice to dream about getting it all, but you know and I know, that life is not like that. I can dream all day about winning the lottery, but in the end, I know what the odds are and I’m saving some money for retirement.

          It’s nice to dream, but I’m seeing way too many posts about the Phillies getting everybody under the sun and I’m just trying to keep it real. To be honest, we’re sounding like Yankees fans when I see posts like that.

          1. @Guru – you can still play the lottery and save $$ for your retirement – it all depends how you manage your greed and how you prioritize your costs.

            And the retirement analogy is irrelevant to running a business. Running a business is literally is like playing lottery every day – business management identify and evaluate risks and allocate risks base on their of the risks and rewards assessment. One thing that good business management will not do is put resources to anything that will not yield returns – and returns are synonymous to risks.

            Your perception is akin to a normal person living on a decent salary so you’re risk-averse like most of the fans. As a business person, Middleton knows the concept that odds, risks and rewards and allocation of resources. Middleton will not become a $3 billion man without gambling against risks and overwhelming odds.

            On the concept of teams can win without the very best players in their team — i’m going to throw back the “overwhelming odds” back at you. what’s the odd that team with less talent can beat teams with better talent?? People will use the 2004 Detroit Pistons as example, but that’s more the “exception rather than the rule”.

            Lastly, you can’t talk that Phils can’t get the top FAs beccause of the odds against them and say that teams can win without the very best player (which is basically playing against higher odds). Having the best player will not 100% guarantee a team about winning, but having the best player(s) will put a team in a better spot to win — and that’s what Middleton will do and it is doable so it is not dreaming. All Middleton has to do is open his wallet to a tune of $400M to Machado and another $300M to Otani.

            1. I don’t think I’m risk averse. I’m not saying that Middleton won’t pony up some cash. I think he will try to get some players. Now asking Middleton to pony up $700M for 2 players is a lot, but hey, it’s not your money right? All I’m saying is that the Red Sox will give $450M for Machado and the Yankees will give $350M for Otani and just like that, we don’t get them. That’s my argument.

    5. Kurdt, Very interesting scenario and very interesting following discussion. Thanks

  10. Whitey used to say “get the married men off the field”! Applies to the Phils and the Pigs tonight!

      1. that’s a shame…maybe Michael Jack knows that Doobie will be traded eventually…

        1. I think his comments were blown a little out of proportion. Some took it, specifically the language barrier, as racist. While maybe he shouldn’t of said it in public, it is hard for someone who doesn’t speak the language to be a team leader. It’s also hard for an English speaker to be the leader on a team where most players speak only Spanish. Ideally, your team leader speaks multiple languages, aka Pete.

          Your comments below are right on.

      2. Whoa boy 20 was my favorite player still is. I think he is wrong in the sense that there is nothing wrong with a little swagger. JRoll was the straw that stirred the drink during our WS runs and Odubel may have a language barrier but I don’t think Mike is racist either. That word is to quick to be thrown out there any more.

        1. DMAR….I have to agree with MJ on the language issue with Doobie, and his ability to be one of the leaders on the team down the road. It has been 9 years now, since he was signed by the Rangers. The effort should have , by now, been there to at least be a little conversant. The vast majority of all the other Latin players have done it through the years
          Though I did read where Doobie was helping his father in translation to English when his father was asked questions at the all-star game in San Diego. So not sure how much is true or not.

          1. Weird times we live in Romus…

            There are 25 guys on the club so Doobie doesn’t have to be the guy in the center of the locker room quoting Patton. He can simply lead through his high caliber of play.

            We’ve seen this movie so many times before. Every team has its cast of characters and when it works its usually because there is supreme talent from 8-9 guys and a bunch of guys who embrace their roles as a supporting cast.

            Mike I love you but you should know this it’s why they went and got Pete.

      3. It’s not the smartest thing to say but there’s an element of truth to it. I think if Herrera want to be fully accepted by the fans as the leader of the franchise, he would have to make the effort to learn the language.

        1. Nah I offer Chooch he was widely accepted by the fans and he had a really tough time with his english

          1. Heck 26 was beloved and he knew perfect English and hardly said a word the whole time he was here.

      4. I’m multi lingual and worked in a multinational set up. I love Mike, but most people that i know who make “language” as an issue are the ones who can only speak 1 specific language – i called this hypocrisy.

        1. Good point, Kuko. Another case of where opposing sides of an issue can’t both be right, but they can both be wrong. “Whitey” Blanco is highly regarded as a clubhouse mentor to the young LA players but are they still listening to his “voice”? Meanwhile, Schmitty makes a good point but maybe it should have been communicated to Herrera directly instead of publicly. I’ve no interest in embarrassing a player. I’ve much more interested in motivating him. Shame doesn’t work the same way with everyone. I’m neither a Doobie fan nor a Mackanin guy, but I give Pete points for having a 2nd language in his resume. His voice must be heard or the ship will sink fast.

          1. 8mark…Schmitty did talk to Herrera this afternoon on the phone and apologized….thru the interpreter no less.

  11. Phillies 4 in a row, How about Nola looked good . Thats what a veteran bat does picks up a win . Phillies now 3 games out of 2nd in their Division but still the worst team in baseball. Wow

  12. On a scale of 1-10, likelihood of these players being traded by the deadline –

    Cameron Rupp 6
    Tommy Joseph 7.5
    Cesar Hernandez 3
    Freddy Galvis 2
    Maikel Franco 0.5
    Howie Kendrick 9.5
    Odubel Herrera 5
    Aaron Altherr 0
    Michael Saunders N/A disposable and untradable
    Jeremy Hellickson 8
    Pat Neshek 10
    Joaquin Benoit 7.5
    Jeanmar Gomez ditto Saunders

    1. Can’t disagree too much here. Kendrick and Neshek are locks to get moved and will get the most in the return. Benoit needs to get healthy first. Hellboy will need to pitch better AND the Phillies will likely have to eat $5M of his remaining salary at least, so I would downgrade him a little. I would also downgrade TJ to 6, I just don’t think the market for him will be great unless he gets crazy hot.

      As a note, I would love for Kendrick to stay. Wish we had him early in his career. He can really hit, he’s a pleasure to watch.

    2. I think take most of these down by a point or two. Whether they should be or will be is different and it also depends on the market value.

    3. And there replacement are ? A hole bunch of rookies that might be less talent then that will take another 3 to 5 yrs to grow. Most likely they will be replaced by nexted yr. Alfaro and Kingery are the only locks. Pullin let’s see what he does in AAA. Williams might have a K % of 30 % in the majors and Walk rate of 3 %. Jp there is hope elite defensive SS don’t fall of tree’s. Neshek is the new closer unless your want Gomez closing Neris has to find his out pitch . Cozens needs a full yr of AAA so might Alfaro . True Kendricks might be traded but only if somebody in AAA is ready my guess Perkins who is having a steady VG yr. Quinn has to stay healthy and get that k% down. So if nobodies ready there won’t be a trade .

  13. The team has played much better since Hererra started hitting and since Kendrick returned.

    Schmidt is correct on the point that if Doobie sits with a group of Gringos, he might be reluctant to chime in because of the language barrier. It’s probably much the same for an American player doing the same playing winter ball although it would be a little easier because more Latin players know English than American players know Spanish.

    There is a saying: If you know three plus languages, you are multilingual. If you know two languages, you are bilingual. And if you only know one language, you are American.

    1. Funny. I happen to agree with Michael Jack that the Phillies can’t build around Odubel but not because of the language barrier. A team leader should have both talent AND acumen for the game, as well as the knack to positively influence his teammates, verbally and otherwise.

  14. Can someone give a primer on the DSL guys? They signed so many this past offseason, I have no idea who I should be paying attention to. The bigger money guys I assume will be in GCL

    1. Go over to the side bar menu “3. Phillies Blogs”….six down, and click on Crashburn Alley…..first article dated yesterday has that information you are looking for.

  15. Well Phillies don’t have a deep go or Lh relief . Blanco is the Phillies best hitting pitcher. He did how ever hang a fastball right down the middle.

  16. Well, the inevitable yet still unfortunate Quinn DL stint makes the future OF situation less convoluted. With Altherr and Herrera remaining after Kendrick and Saunders are no longer here by the trade deadline, that would leave Williams and Perkins as the two likelier call ups, the latter serving as 4th OF. If Herrera is also traded, that would put Altherr in CF with Williams and Cozens on either side of him for the remainder of the season.

    Before the Doobie defenders jump on me, his recent resurgence may provide the FO with an opportunity to sell high on him. And we all know how badly we need a TOR guy. That won’t likely happen until the off season unless the A’s dangle Sonny Gray or one of the Rays’ top starters. But they’ll probably get more urgent offers from contending clubs.

    1. Not sure if they have announces the Super Two date, but it should have occurred this week based on calculations. It’s pretty safe to assume the 2017 super two date would have been between 2.12 and 2.14, or 63 and 43 days respectively.
      Since the season started on April 2, this puts the super two date to be between: May 13 and June 4
      Most teams will want to be positive they miss the deadline, so they will probably call prospects in mid to late June to be safe
      So this time next week could be the shuffling of some of the prospects from Allentown down to Citizens Bank.

    2. There’s no way on God’s green earth that Herrera will get you a TOR Pitcher. Now throw in Sixto, Altherr ,Hoskins , Kingery, Jp, Moniak, Howdy ,Ortiz , that might get you a chance. Lol noway Cozens comes up at the all star break.http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayso01.shtml here,s Gray stats Hellickson better then him now. Look at the Chris Sale trade for reference for how A trade for and TOR is done.

      1. He’s a 4 WAR centerfielder. I wouldn’t expect a 1-for-1 swap but given his contract he’s a very valuable commodity.

      2. trade values are based on timing and supply and demand. Forsythe fetched a de Leon and the CHISOX land Giolito, Lopez and Dunning. In general, a proven ace (i.e. Sale, Halladay, etc) is not available unless the team is blowing it up or starting to rebuilding, thus, requires multiple high end prospects.

        The opportunity might come in a short window but there is a way to acquire a potential TOR (or any high end prospect) for the young cost controllable players that the Phils have. CHISOX, ATL, TB were able to do that in recent memory and I bet that these organizations believe that it can be done despite of the low odds — and they did.

        1. KukO….very well put. The type of a pitcher that Doobie could probably fetch would be in the ilk of a Pirate’s Mitch Keller or the Yankees Justus Sheffield, or even back to his old Ranger team for LHP Mendez.

          1. Where would the Yanks find room for Herrera or want him. Let’s see Clint Frazier,Judge, Hicks ,Dustin Fowler ,Brent Garner .maybe AA or DH ,Texas for sure there 15 games out of 1st . In the 7 th spot in the WC race there sellers at the trade deadline for Pitching.just saying.

            1. I would think if Herrera is ever traded it would be during the off season.

              I could see a Herrera/Paxton deal with more going to the Mariners.
              Herrera, Joseph, + for Sonny Gray (not a whole lot extra as the plus)

              Then you could also see Herrera moved for prospects like Romus mentioned. If the Astros trade Kyle Tucker and make a move for a starting pitcher maybe they’d be inclined to trade for Herrera and move Springer back to a corner spot? Maybe we could get some of their higher rated guys?

              Just spitballing. I wouldn’t advocate trading Herrera unless the front office is blown away or there’s a chance to acquire those two guys I mentioned.

        2. Ok trade Herrera ,Altherr takes over Center who taking over RF . The Phillies OF was Brutal last yr. You trade Herrera and Kendrick this yr it puts the rebuild back a yr. See in that Sale Trade Boston didn’t give up Betts , Bradley, etc any of there young mlb players . Friggin great trade great GM move winner.

  17. Jim Salisbury tweeted that Casey Fien might be called up today to replace Joely. That smacks in the face that there is any inclination by the FO to move up anybody lacking big league experience. Could the clubhouse culture be so toxic right now that they’re reluctant to bring up the untried?

    1. Think it’s probably about availability. Milner, Ramos threw a lot of pitches last night. Could DFA fien quickly. Also, no shortage of DFa options. – Gomez, Morgan, Garcia all with ERA’s over 6

      1. Saw Lively pitch tonight..battled very well…Hit 92 on occasion with the FB…Used the curve to get outs in his later innings…I would have no problem with him as the 4/5 if he has it in him…Very efficient outing..

        1. I also like what I’ve seen from him so far. He seems to mix his pitches very well and he can pitch backwards if he needs to which is key if you’re going to pitch to contact. I like how he really settled in after that rough 1st inning. He really should’ve only given up two runs, his defense really let him down.

        2. Ben Lively…velos from last night via Brooks: PHI@ATL (6/8/17)
          4Smr-91.57
          2Smr-92.09
          CU-85.43
          SLD-83.05
          CB-74.87

  18. Extensive piece by Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports on Otani. First off, he’s less likely to come over this winter, 2nd – he’ll probably favor an AL club so he can DH between starts. Finally, the Phillies are not on the list of about 8 teams reportedly in on him.

    1. That’s disappointing. I wouldn’t expect him to land with the Phillies just because they don’t have the experience in the Japanese market that the Dodgers & Yankees have but I’d like to see them at least make a strong effort.

  19. Just a shout out for Aaron Altherr. 2 doubles and a triple last night. He and Kendrick are the only reliable bats in the lineup and the latter will be gone within a month and a half. Neshek is getting all the pub for an all star berth but Altherr deserves serious consideration as well. His OPS is top 20 in baseball. While his BA has dipped below .300, he’s maintaining good ABs, working counts, drawing some walks and striking out less than earlier in the season. In short, I can’t see why he wouldn’t be a future core piece. It’s all there.

  20. I am a big fan of Franco. but the phillies are not helping him by not sending him down now.He is lost and needs to go down and try to figure it out. they are hurting him

    1. rocco…not sure what we can expect from Franco.
      His whole minor league metrics of 2355 PAs were a slash of 280/329/785.
      Decent, not bad, but not spectacular.
      Though he did pick it up his last few years in AA/AAA ball.
      He will probably improve from this last two season drought of sorts,
      but other than say 25/30 HRs and 90 RBIs, on the surface….he may be just a 260/320/800 player.
      I do not see him as the clean-up hitter going forward…that I see in Hoskins.
      Franco I can see in the 5th or 6th hole.

  21. Cesar out of lineup today. Word is abdominal injury and might be headed to DL.

    .211/.259/.295 in last 101 PAs. Blanco at 2b today but Kendrick is also an option. They tend to be extra cautious with abdominal injuries. I know what you’re all thinking. Let’s not go there…..

    1. Kingery should have been in AA weeks ago. At a minimum he should have been there when Valentin went on the DL. Then he would have some AAA experience and could be brought up to the Phillies. At a minimum there is no rationale explanation why Kingery is not in AAA.

  22. Larry Anderson just said he’s sick and tired of Herrera not running balls out. I realize there’s a serious lack of talent on this club by yeesh! A new culture needs to be introduced. Pat Gillick traded Bobby Abreu and the subsequent championship core group of players came together. Watching Abreu hit was a thing of beauty but I couldn’t see the effect he was having in the clubhouse/dugout. MacKlentak has to start making bold, aggressive and creative moves or this is gonna be loooooong rebuild. The talent below alone isn’t sufficient.

    1. I forget but didnt Bobby Abreu not run out ground balls. Didnt Jimmy Rollins not run out ground balls.

  23. He said Inciarte on a hit the other day tried to run it into a double, busted from the get go. He was thrown out, but it was very close and he hustled. How many times do we have to listen to loafing out of the batter’s box? There is no leadership on the team, they are fundamentally poor, and people wonder why we get excited about a Kingery while seeming to not appreciate Cesar. It is because we see a guy who plays the game the way we want it to be played. A guy with baseball instincts, who knows when to take the extra base, go from 1st to 3rd or score from 2d. We saw Chase Utley be one of the best at that, and want that again. Sorry for the rant!

  24. Nick Pivetta’s numbers today via Brooks:
    Total pitches-90…(56 strikes)
    4Smr—velo 94…….45%
    2Smr—velo 92.6….16%
    CU—-velo 85………8%
    SLDR-velo 82.7…..16%
    Curve-velo 77…….15%
    …that 4th inning was a killer fro him.

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