Open Discussion: Week of May 29th

The Phillies completed their 7-game home stand with 2 wins.  They have the worst record in baseball.  They are 17-31 with a .354 winning percentage.

They managed to win a game against Colorado without scoring more than 2 runs in any of the four games.  They scored 10 runs in 3 games against the Reds and lost two of them.

In an unusual turn of events, starters suffered all 5 losses, relievers earned the 2 victories.

I’ve got nothing else.  Here’s the open discussion thread for Phillies’ talk and other topics.

Key dates remaining:

  • June 3rd – DSL Phillies’ seasons begin
  • June 12-14th – Rule 4 Draft
  • June 15th – Last XST game
  • June 19th – Williamsport’s season begins
  • June 26th – GCL Phillies’ season begins
  • July 31st – Non-waiver Trade Deadline
  • December 10-14th – Winter Meetings in Orlando
  • December 14th – Rule 5 Draft

Transactions: (includes roster juggling and paper moves)

  • 5/26 – Reading Fightin Phils placed 3B Harold Martinez on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to May 25, 2017. Finger sprain.
  • 5/25 – Jose Antequera assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/25 – Jonathan Guzman assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/25 – Phillies activated RHP Jeanmar Gomez from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 5/25 – Phillies optioned Adam Morgan to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/25 – Washington Nationals traded C Nick Rickles to Philadelphia Phillies.
  • 5/25 – C Nick Rickles assigned to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/25 – Reading Fightin Phils released C Joel Fisher.
  • 5/25 – Lakewood BlueClaws activated SS Arquimedes Gamboa from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/25 – 3B Jose Antequera assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/24 – Phillies sent OF Howie Kendrick on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/24 – RHP Franklyn Kilome assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/24 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/23 – Phillies placed LF Daniel Nava on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to May 21, 2017. Left hamstring strain.
  • 5/23 – Phillies recalled LHP Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/23 – RHP Colton Murray assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/23 – Reading Fightin Phils released LHP Mario Hollands.
  • 5/23 – Clearwater Threshers activated LHP Tyler Gilbert from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/22 – Lakewood BlueClaws released LHP Zach Morris.
  • 5/22 – LHP Casey Brown assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/21 – SS Jonathan Guzman assigned to Clearwater Threshers from DSL Phillies.
  • 5/21 – SS Emmanuel Marrero assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/21 – Phillies activated RHP Aaron Nola from the 10-day disabled list.
  • 5/21 – Phillies optioned Adam Morgan to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/20 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/20 – RHP Tyler Frohwirth assigned to Clearwater Threshers from GCL Phillies.
  • 5/19 – Phillies recalled Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/19 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/18 – Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/16 – Reading Fightin Phils activated 3B Harold Martinez from the 7-day DL.
  • 5/16 – Austin Davis assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/16 – Harold Arauz assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/16 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/16 – Tyler Hallead assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/16 – Tom Windle assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/15 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers
  • 5/15 – Jose Taveras assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 5/15 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released LHP Wander Perez (0-0, 5.63).
  • 5/15 – Phillies optioned Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/14 – Phillies recalled Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/13 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/13 – SS Jorge Flores assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/13 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed 2B Jesmuel Valentin on the 7-day disabled list. Left shoulder strain.
  • 5/12 – Phillies recalled RHP Luis Garcia from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/11 – LHP Zach Morris assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/11 – RHP Sixto Sanchez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/11 – Phillies optioned RHP Jake Thompson to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/10 – Lakewood BlueClaws released 3B Danny Zardon.
  • 5/10 – SS Raul Rivas assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 5/10 – Tyler Viza assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/10 – Reading Fightin Phils activated RHP John Richy from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/10 – Phillies optioned RHP Jake Thompson to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – Austin Davis assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/9 – Jose Taveras assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/9 – Wander Perez assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/9 – Phillies placed RHP Jeanmar Gomez on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to May 6, 2017. Right elbow impingement.
  • 5/9 – Phillies sent RHP Aaron Nola on a rehab assignment to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – RHP Casey Fien assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/9 – Seattle Mariners traded RHP Casey Fien to Philadelphia Phillies for cash.
  • 5/9 – Phillies recalled Ty Kelly from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/8 – RHP Tom Eshelman assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/8 – LHP Wander Perez assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/7 – Austin Davis assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/7 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 5/6 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/6 – LHP Zach Morris assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/5 – Phillies recalled Jake Thompson from Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 5/5 – Phillies optioned Ty Kelly to Lehigh Valley IronPigs
  • 5/4 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Luis Suarez to a minor league contract.
  • 5/4 – RHP Matt Hockenberry assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/3 – Clearwater Threshers placed LHP Tyler Gilbert on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 5/2 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/2 – Osmel Aguila assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/2 – Reading Fightin Phils placed 3B Harold Martinez on the 7-day disabled list. Lower back strain.
  • 5/2 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/2 – Ranfi Casimiro assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 5/2 – Harold Arauz assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/2 – RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – Phillies optioned RHP Luis Garcia to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/30 – Phillies recalled RHP Nick Pivetta from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/30 – RHP Tyler Viza assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/30 – RHP Shane Watson assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – RHP Ranfi Casimiro assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/30 – RHP Mauricio Llovera assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/30 – Lakewood BlueClaws released RHP Kenny Koplove.
  • 4/29 – Felix Paulino assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/29 – Lakewood BlueClaws activated RHP Trevor Bettencourt from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/28 – RHP Mauricio Llovera assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/28 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/27 – 1B Darick Hall assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/27 – 1B Alex Wojciechowski assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/27 – Cole Irvin assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 4/27 – Keudy Bocio assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/26 – RHP Harold Arauz assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/26 – LHP Ranger Suarez assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/26 – Reading Fightin Phils activated SS Jorge Flores from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/26 – RHP Shane Watson assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/25 – RHP Blake Quinn assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/25 – 2B Keudy Bocio assigned to Clearwater Threshers from DSL Phillies.
  • 4/24 – RHP Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/24 – Phillies placed RHP Aaron Nola on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 21, 2017. Lower back strain.
  • 4/23 LHP Cole Irvin assigned to Phillies Ext. Spring Training from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/22 LHP Ranger Suarez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws
  • 4/22 RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/22 Phillies transferred RHP Clay Buchholz from the 10-day disabled list to the 60-day disabled list. Torn flexor tendon in right elbow.
  • 4/22 Toronto Blue Jays traded 3B Ty Kelly to Philadelphia Phillies for cash.
  • 4/21 LHP Joey DeNato assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/21 RHP Matt Hockenberry assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/21 Phillies activated RHP Pat Neshek from the paternity list.
  • 4/21 Phillies optioned RHP Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/20 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/20 – Franklyn Kilome assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/19 – Phillies placed RHP Pat Neshek on the paternity list.
  • 4/19 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs activated RHP Colton Murray from the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/19 – Phillies recalled RHP Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/19 – RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/19 – RHP Kenny Koplove assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/18 – Phillies placed LF Howie Kendrick on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 16, 2017. Right abdominal strain.
  • 4/18 – Phillies placed RHP Clay Buchholz on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to April 15, 2017. Torn flexor tendon in right forearm.
  • 4/18 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Carlos Francisco to a minor league contract.
  • 4/18 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Alexis Herrera to a minor league contract.
  • 4/18 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Mark Leiter from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/18 – Phillies recalled RHP Zach Eflin from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/18 – LHP Wander Perez assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 4/18 – Lakewood BlueClaws placed RHP Trevor Bettencourt on the 7-day disabled list retroactive to April 16, 2017.
  • 4/18 – LHP JoJo Romero assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • The organization rosters are almost up to date.

 

177 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of May 29th

  1. Is there any once in a generation talent out there for the Phillies to pick number 1 overall
    Harpers, Trouts or Machodos ? Please say yes

    1. Otani maybe , put a big buck out for Harper or a big trade. players can’t coach , Coaches can’t sign players.

    2. How do you know who is a once in a generation player? Harper was pretty much the last one but lots of #1s fail also (Brien Taylor to name one). Trout was drafted in the 20s so a lot of people passed on him.

      1. So maybe the could get one this year!!
        ,I guess I was just asking if there were any clear cut favorites at 1.1 next year because this Phillies team is gawd awful.
        Does that work for you instead.

            1. Harper was the last clear cut #1. Before him, there was Stephen Strasbourg. Before Stras, there was Brien Taylor.

  2. Ok I had good talk with a Indy Scout . He said Phillies won’t bring Hoskins up in the near Future Why ? There not going to put a rookie in the 4 hole . Tojo there now and he has under 500 At bats. Sanderson starting to hit but he’s not a 4 hole hitter.Franco maybe but he doing the learning curve class. Hoskins has a hell of Alot more lineup Coverage in LV, then he’ll have in the majors. On Mac he’s Managing this team like a AAA team. Pts letting pitchers get hit hard and not pulling them . It’s called the IBB, hence if Duvall 3 for 5 2 hr next batter Suarez is 0fer with 2 k’s you IBB Duvall who wasn’t walked once. Blackmon the same IBB or pitch around him. The Phillies are letting 1 or 2 hitters kill them. On Herrera he’s trying to pull everything, instead of shoot bullets everywhere. Herrera last yr ln Double AA he had 228 hits in the season. He said he’ll hit again plus he said the old he gets the settle down. On Quinn ,jack rabbit ‘s are wants by teams not a need. Give me 1 team last yr that had a player that stole 50 bases in the Playoffs. L A had Utley , the Cubs Maybin , the Nats Turner ,Blackmon ,etc clubs use good hitter’s as leadoff . Some are fast and good base runners they just don’t seal that Often . 1 reason the homerun ball has increased Dozier ,Blackmon , Betts, all can hit over 20 homeruns a yr as top of the order guys. 2 injury, there’s no more Henderson or Tim Raines guys that are build like fullbacks . Over the last 10 yrs players that Stole over 50 Or more bases for 3 plus yrs, have a major drop in Production over there careers . Plus over 30 yrs old there Health goes into decline . Reyes seems to be the only I who produced over 30. 3, the Phillies are fast team as a hole they need to get there 3, 4,5 hitters going . Quinn will look good running around the bases and outfield . 4 Ceaser not really a 2 hitter not enough power . Nick Williams has to walk then he’s ready, he’s the closest right now as far as outfielder ‘ s go.

    1. I agree with almost all of that. Thanks for posting.

      People might have given it a thumb’s down because the spacing makes it hard to read; but the main points are valid.

      I do agree a speedy lead-off hitter is a want, not a need. That on a truly competitive team Caesar isn’t your number two hitter; and that Herrera will come around.

      On top of that, I would love to see Williams actually live up to his status!

      1. Hey I’ll brake it down , madden style the team that scores more runs wins, and it doesn’t matter how you do it, things change in baseball, just because non speedy types of lead off hitters are in vogue now doesn’t mean you have to follow that mold or you can’t win. The Royals won not that long ago and they had almost no power hitters and all speed types. Trends are only trends once a teams wins a different way every “expert ” will claim hat is the way

  3. One recurring issue that I have with the parent club (and I realize that it’s become less and less throughout MLB) is not throwing inside to opposing batters when you’re getting lit up by the long ball especially. It’s my subjective feeling but this roster is comprised of a bunch of nice young men. As much as I despise the Gnats and Muts, they have pitchers with a fiery edge who own the strike zone and will occasionally go ‘up and in’ without a second thought. This team, and apparently the manager as well, don’t give it a first thought. The only 2 pitchers in the entire organization with profiles I’ve read which might have that competitive fire are Eickhoff (who isn’t a TOR starter) and Sixto (who’s nowhere near a big league mound). Look, I know the talent is sparse. This organization is rife with #5 starters (at best) and 4th outfielders. But please let’s develop some kids with a little nastiness in their belly. The losing is bad enough. Lying down and losing is unacceptable.

    1. I heard Mike Schmidt say that they dont or wont throw inside anymore. like whne he and kruk were playing. Its a dying art. glutless pitching. Plus most of these guys dont have good enough stuff to come inside cause if they miss its gone. just really bad pitching and hitting from this team and the manager imo stinks.

      1. rocco….you hit two batters you are gone from the game. But by leaving ejections to the discretion of umpires, MLB creates a perverse incentive to strike first: The retaliatory hit-by-pitch is far more likely to warrant an ejection than the event that precedes it. So a slip up and wallah…you are gone if you are the pitcher in the next inning after an opponent was hit the previous inning. That could be one reason.

    2. There’s throwing inside and then there’s plunking somebody. Throwing at players has pretty much been outlawed. Throwing inside is a lost art. There’s not a lot of pitchers out there who can consistently live in there. Once mistake and you can leave one in the happy zone. Teams are more concerned about velocity than control these days I find.

    3. I don’t like headhunters, but I agree you have to do something to move a comfortable hitter off the plate and coming inside tight is a way to do it. We need a little “Bob Gibson” in these guys. Remember when he threw at a guy in the batters circle that was timing his pitches? Agghhh nostalgia.

      1. The Phillies haven’t had a guy that was willing to plunk somebody for the sake of it since Vincente Padilla. And as I recall, his teammates weren’t too fond of him plunking guys either, since there’s always retribution.

  4. CONFUSION. That’s the word for this team. I have been following this club for many many years (since the 60’s) and I have never seen a team where so many players at one time are confused. I have to wonder if the coaching staff and front office is also confused.

    Thought driving home from the shore last night. Dom Brown was top 5 overall MiLB prospect in our system who saw his star flame out. Franco was in same boat in the minors and first couple of years in the MLB. Are we seeing something that needs to worry us? JP Crawford is top 5 prospect but until recently struggled mightily. What’s his future? Should we be concerned?

    1. Was Franco ever a top prospect? I remember one of the national guys questioning his ABS (arm bar swing) and defense. He carried those labels from Clearwater to Lehigh Valley.

      1. Franco did get any higher than 17 in the three top 100 sites below:
        BA……………Pre-2014-#17….Pre-2015-#56
        MLB.com…..Pre-2014-#26….Pre-2015-#55
        BP……………Pre-2014-#52….Pre-2015-#96

  5. I’ve been a big Z.Eflin supporter but I can see that it was time to send him down. Ben Lively deserves his shot at a start or two in the bigs. Do you think that the Phils have been hesitant to bring up Lively because they see him as a Tyler Cloyd type, one who is strong in the minors but won’t be able to get major leaguers out?

    1. I don’t think the Phillies see Lively as the next Tyler Cloyd. Cloyd was barely hitting 90 on the gun, and Lively can easily do that. In order to send Lively up, you needed to send somebody down. VV, Hellboy, Eickhoff were not going to be sent down. So it came down to the health of Nola or the effectiveness of Eflin. Eflin gave up 4 HRs so he’s out.

      1. Lively to me changes speed really well. That will be his bread and butter, location and changing speeds. I Dont think his velocity is much more than 92 but he keeps guys off balance from the couple of times, that i have seen him pitch

    2. He may not be Tyler Cloyd exactly; David Buchanan might be a more apt comparison. If the Phillies thought Lively was a long-term #4 starter or better I believe he would have made his debut already. The handful of times I’ve seen him pitch he basically looks like Eflin without the good fastball.

      Lively will seemingly get his chance now but there’s really no one else. Eflin clearly needed to go to AAA and Thompson’s declining stuff puts him in the same category as Lively. Appel is still a mess and Pivetta already had his shot this year. Lively is the only option at this point.

      1. I think Lively is much better than Buchanan. For starters, Lively’s career SO rate is much higher than Buchanan’s.

        Second, I don’t think Lively would have made his debut already. When Buchholtz went down, Eflin was the obvious choice because of his experience last year (and Thompson wasn’t healthy). When Nola went down, Pivetta was lights out so he was the obvious choice. Now that Eflin got optioned, Lively is the next one who deserves the call-up.

        1. Lively was a big strikeout pitcher in A-ball and below due to his deception, but much less so in the high minors. Granted, he’s more of a strikeout pitcher than Buchanan but in comparing them I was thinking about the quality of their stuff more than what they were able to do with it in the minors.

          When I’ve seen Lively, he’s shown a pretty straight high-80s to low-90s fastball and two or three pedestrian secondaries. I’ve read scouting reports that mention him having a good slider, so maybe he’ll bring that with him to the majors. As far as the timing of his debut, the team had the chance to bring him up last year when he was succeeding in AA/AAA but they didn’t. Just about every other young starter in the high minors got their chance before him.

          1. It’s also a bit of luck. He wasn’t lights out so he’s not forcing himself up to the bigs. And when the Phillies need somebody, perhaps somebody is hotter than him or his starts don’t line up. Either way, I don’t think it’s shocking that he hasn’t been called up yet.

            1. Guru…statistically he should be called up…28 starts, 174 innings pitched in AAA ball….WHIP under 1, FIP approx. 3.15…K./9 is 7, BB/9 is 1.8….he is older however at 25 and his stuff only grades at 50/55 across the board….but I think he should get the call.

  6. On August 1, the Phillies will be out west playing the Angels in the first of an 8 game road swing. The following lineup that night would make me happy.

    Quinn cf
    Hernandez 2b
    Altherr rf
    Hoskins 1b
    Williams lf
    Franco 3b
    Knapp c
    Crawford ss
    _________ p

    1. On August 1, of next year. take out Altheer and put in Harper. take out Williams and put in Trout. take out Franco and put in Machado. i will be happy

      1. Ty Roccom leave in Herrera and Tojo too . What’s funny is most of that lineup becomes FA at the same time. Plus the Phillies wouldn’t have a AAA team .
        You could get an avg pitcher to sign , now with your lineup you could.

      2. rocco, there will be a lot of competition for Harper and Machado. Maybe, we get 1, and that is, I think, a longshot. Trout is a pipe dream. I think a pick up more along the lines of Pollack or Donaldson is more realistic. Love to dream, however.

        1. Matt, with all due respect, Trout isn’t a slam dunk by any stretch but to say he’s a pipe dream? I’ve read two pieces recently that suggest the biggest hurdle for the Phillies to sign him is time. If the parent club is trending north in the standings between now and then, we’ve as good a chance as any club. 1- his local roots and relationships speak loudly, 2- I wonder quietly if part of MacPhail’s decision to hire Klentak was based long term in his prior employment with the Angels. (I really don’t know if Matt and Mike are tight.) Any team that attempts to pry Trout away from LAA via trade will most likely have to come to an extension agreement with him. The Phillies have the resources but I doubt he moves until his contract season in ’20, in which case he’d be a very expensive rental. We’ll see….

          1. 8mark, you may be right. I may have overstated the scenario by calling it a pipe dream. A dream, maybe?. But, certainly one that I hope actually happens. I agree that if he becomes a FA, the Phils have a shot based on his love for the area. But, if they do get Machado or Harper in 2019, are they going to outbid clubs for Trout the next year? If they don’t get either of those guys and still are one of the worst teams in baseball, why does Trout come here? At that point he wants to win after a career with the Angels who never built around him.

    2. Where’s the power Franco’s the only proven mlb power hitter.Hoskins is the only 1 who hit more then 20 Hrs I need the minors . No LH power , what does The Nats , Cubs, LA, The Rockies, Mets, Ciny , Maimi , Zona , Yanks , Boston, Baltimore, Texas all have in Common power line ups.

    3. I agree with Tim (whatever he wrote) that we need HR power at CBP. OBP is great but we’re watching visiting clubs come in here and utterly out slug us. Harper would be ideal of course but he’d have to WANT to be here. Other than the ball park, what would be inviting him.

      I would love to see upside of Altherr and Quinn with Harper in the ’19 OF. But Machado might fill a greater need and it’s highly unlikely they’d land both of the top two FAs next winter. Take your pick and hope we sign one.

      Then we can talk about the Millville Meteor in three years.

      1. I’d take JD Martinez and try Pullin at the end of the yr . Altherr could have a long career if a least as a Defense Outfielder. Quinn think Eric Young, Quinn tool set is not the Modern day leadoff type Power .

      2. imaging how Phils fans would feel if they paid all that cash for Trout and then he hurts himself with a head-first slide into a base.

        Saw Machado today in Baltimore, and he had some Maikel Franco-esque at bats. Average still down at .220. Obviously I’d still take him in a heartbeat but part of me wonders what he’ll be like after he gets the big money.

  7. In 2015 and 2016, Herrera’s best production came against right-handed pitching:

    2015: .776 OPS (.720 vs. LHP)
    2016: .841 OPS (.599 vs. LHP)

    This year (SSS), his OPS against RHP is only .534 (.767 vs. LHP). Are right-handers showing him something different this year?

    1. RHPs could be throwing more cut FBs or sliders that will tail low and inside to him. He definitely has got away from going to the left side of the field…perhaps pitchers are not giving him anything low and away. There has to be a spray chart that could be more telling than my guessing. Winkelman will probably have some analysis to that nature on CA one of these days.

      OTOH…..if Klentak had the intestinal fortitude…he would ‘trade’ Quinn for Herrera, since Herrera still has one option year left, being this year. That could wake him up and perhaps give him the time to correct his flaws at LHV.

    2. He’s not getting a lot of fastballs to hit. He’s getting himself out by swinging at balls outside of the zone. Why throw him a strike when he’s getting himself out on balls? Yesterday was a prime example. He was up with a man on third, the pitcher threw 2 breaking balls that nearly bounced in front of the plate. He buried them. And Odubel chased both of them, Absolutely terrible.

      1. Guru….amazing Herrera and Franco together average about 8 ABs a game and have less than 1.7 hits between them per game.
        They also are hitting less than .200 with RISPs.
        They need an infusion of some sort.

        1. I’m less worried about Franco. He’s actually making solid contact but getting unlucky on some balls as he rockets them right to a fielder. I haven’t seen Herrera hit 2 hard OUTS in a game.

  8. I don’t want to kick a man when he is down, but I do want to reiterate a point that I have made a lot and always get criticized on…which is, pitchers who “pitch to contact” and don’t had high strikeout rates do not translate to good MLB starters. You might be able to find a rare exception of a quality MLB pitcher who didn’t have really high k rates in the minors. But those are rare exceptions. In general, any quality MLB pitcher has k rates in the minors of 8.5 or better.

    To be successful in the majors you have to be able to strike out anyone at any time. Otherwise, the “contact” turns into big innings.

    1. The problem with the Phillies pitchers is that they can’t hit their spots. That is what makes a good MLB pitcher. Jamie Moyer couldn’t throw 90 but he consistently hit his spots. Blame it on Klentak, the Manager, or the Pitching Coach if you want, but the pitcher has to take responsibility for constantly missing his spots. We need better pitchers is the answer.

      1. Player development doesn’t happen at the MLB level. By the time that a player is 23/24/25 years old he is who he is. An MLB pitching coach can make some tweaks, but mostly their job is teaching the mental part of the game and watching video to make sure they don’t have a mechanical flaw that is not their normal motion.

  9. Another tough week. Hearing all of the frustration here & on the radio. The only thing that can be said is patience.

    There are some viable options in the minors that can provide the spark plug this team needs whether it’s competition or adding a new dimension.

    Team don’t win longer term by signing big contracts & attempting to buy championships. There is a progression here that needs to occur & that includes younger player getting AB’s, MLB game situations, & 60 Starts.

    These are all teaching opportunities for the coaches. If they are proving incapable of teaching, than the change should start there.

    With that said, from a player movement standpoint:
    -Agree that Knapp should get more playing time, a projected 164 AB’s won’t cut it.
    -Efflin has been one of the only pitchers on the team to get into the 7th inning, not sure how sending him down is giving the right message in rewarding players.
    -Would like to see a platoon situation with Franco until he can prove to be an everyday player again.
    -ToJo deserves to start everyday & has been one of the only bright spots.
    -Quinn should be called up to give some juice to the lineup.
    -Saunders & Kendrick are short timers, but the younger players need to take their job. Altherr has been successful in this & Quinn should get the opportunity.
    -VV needs to be sent down to AAA ASAP. He is out of control.
    -The bullpen has started to come around, no change there
    -Lively should get a shot, but it should not be a short leash situation. But the same argument should be made for Efflin, Pivetta, & Thompson.

    1. Every other team the Phillies face has more power in the lineup and pitchers who bring real heat.
      With the exception of Velasquez Phillies pitchers that rely on hitting spots. When you throw 98 and miss your spot you may get away with it. When you throw 91 it’s usually a home run.
      When oh when are the Phillies going to learn this fact. Their park is a home run hitters dream. Yet they keep on drafting players like Roman Quinn,Carlos Tocci and Mickey Moniak and acquire Howie Kendrick types.
      A less than good Reds team comes into town and out homers the Phillies in their own ballpark.

    2. Over his last 4 games Eflin didn’t get past the 6th inning. He gave up 24 ER in 21 IP. In his 11 starts last year, other than the 2 complete games he pitched, he didn’t get past the 6th inning, and allowed 42 ER in 45.1 IP. What about that shows he belongs in the majors? As some of the other posters here said, when he is “on” he pitches well; when he is not, he gets gets pounded. He doesn’t pitch well often enough to stay with the Phillies. There is hope (not necessarily a lot it) that he can learn more in the minors and increase the proportion of good outings, but less than 25% just won’t get the job done.

      1. I would love to see him work with Doc to refine his cutter and maybe learn that split change Halladay learned under Rich Dubee. I know Eflin has a change-up but find a way to take it to the next level and make it an out-pitch for him.

        Say what you want about Rich Dubee as a pitching coach but he made a lot of our guys better. Who can you say has gotten better under Bob McClure…? MAYBE Hector Neris.

        Dubee helped refine Hamels’ repertoire to add in a cut fastball; he taught Halladay a change-up. Guys like Vance Worley overachieved under him. That’s the kind of guy we need; a guy that can add the missing piece or refine a repertoire and help build a complete pitcher.

  10. Eflin missed spring training because of his knee surgeries and this is catching up to him now. Bring up Lively to see how he does in the Bigs and give Eflin some time to straighten out at AAA.

    1. Yeah, I think people tend to forget that Eflin started the season on the DL rehabbing from two knee surgeries.

      I generally blame pitchers for their poor performance, not catchers coaches, or managers. But, in Eflin’s case, I question having him throw 7 innings in his second, third, and fourth starts off the DL. He also had a stretch where he threw 100, 99, and 106 pitches in successive games.

      Still, prior to his recent stretch of 3 poor performances, Eflin posted 4 quality starts. He is throwing an average ML fastball at 92 MPH. Maybe his knees are bothering him? Perhaps his velo was higher when he first came off the DL and recent starts have pulled it down to the ML average?

      1. I don’t think that has a whole lot to do with it.

        He throws his fastball 72% of the time. He doesn’t have the control/command of a bartolo colon to get away with that.

        He got exposed facing very good line ups. The Reds, Rockies, and Rangers are all good offenses that feast on fastballs.

        He doesn’t have an out pitch when his fastball command isn’t there.

        1. He’s Kyle Kendrick 2.0. When he’s on he’ll put up some zeroes but when he’s off, it’s not very good. He needs to come up with some type of out pitch at the Major League level to at least keep guys off balance.

  11. This team may be hard to watch, but it is what it is. Most of the guys on this team will not be part of the next championship contending team. I found this from a Jim Bowden ESPN Insider article this past off-season http://insider.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13475:
    “The Phillies have a good long-term plan now in place, a blueprint that MacPhail is working from, and they won’t deviate from it until they’re ready to win and contend. The Phillies’ plan is to build the team through the amateur draft, international signings and trades rather than free agency, though they’ll still sign a few stopgap options or players they could flip at the trade deadline. Progress in Philly has been slow but steady, and that’s what Phillies fans should expect at least for another year.”

    I not only accept the fact that this is going to be a slow rebuild, I absolutely agree it’s the healthiest way to build long term success. It’s working for the Cubs and Astros. It also worked for the Phillies (Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ruiz, Hamels, Madsen, Myers). Stockpile minor league talent. Expect to hit on three or four starting bats and two or three arms. Wait to pounce on any top tier, younger FA’s (Otanai, Machado, Harper) when they become available. And, be ready to trade anyone with any value. I believe this team will have enough talent to contend in 2019. In the meantime, I’d rather finish at (or near) the bottom than in the middle. Three more years of high draft picks (and millions more of extra draft bonus pool money) should make a major difference.

    1. Baltimore is a small market team , Philly isn’t there’s no reason the Phillies can’t be like the Yanks or Boston Red Sox or LA Dodgers. Just because the Phillies can pick inside the top 10 doesn’t mean success at any sport. There missing elite power if they would have trade for Jay Bruce,or a Khris Davis or JD Martinez they’d have more wins . This team plays good Defense is fast the Pitching needs work but there’s allot worse out there. ToJo needs help This team might be 4 yrs from 500 ball if they keep having to retool every yr.

    1. Jim,

      And Hoskins could have been 2 for 4, including once well struck, tailing-away drive to left field on which the left fielder made an amazing diving catch with runners at first and third. Coulda been a double, even a triple, and scored one, maybe two, runs.

  12. Otani Posting issues:
    http://www.prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=469036
    …………..
    “At the MLB owners meetings earlier this month, commissioner Rob Manfred basically announced their plans to alter the posting process, a delicate issue between the two baseball organizations, and hinted at reducing the cost of it. “We’ve certainly begun conversations about changes to the posting system,” Manfred said. “And those conversations were a direct result of two developments. One, the changes in the new basic agreement, with respect to the governing rules. And a desire to have more of a uniform system, because we’re getting players from more and more countries.“We have different systems for different countries right now, and usually uniformity is a good thing. We’d like to have more uniformity.”

  13. It’s official.
    We have the worst record in baseball.
    We have the worst team in baseball.
    No where to go but up.

    1. Let’s not forget that the Phillies had the worst run differential in the majors last season. Their win total of 71 was almost nine more than expected from their run differential. Point being, the Phils were also very bad last season.

      This season, conversely, there are four teams (A’s, Royals, Giants, Padres) with worse run differentials than the Phillies.

  14. I’m so tired of watching this. It’s just depressing. I know McClure is no pitching coach and for all his communication and theories, just on the face of it Stairs seems to be overmatched as well; just like Pete is.

    1. Stairs is a big reason why Altherr has broken out. Likewise Hernandez, Rupp, and Knapp are all thriving under him.

      It’s not his fault Franco swings out of his shoes every at bat or Herrera forgot what a strike is. He can’t hit for them.

    2. If Albert Einstein tried to teach physics to some of these kids, they wouldn’t know any more after he was done with them. Why? Because deep down they really don’t want to change. Dumb ball players hit their ceiling sooner than smart ball players no matter how much talent they have.

  15. You Want to see something interesting go to Micky Moniak stat page . Remember the didn’t draft him because he a freakish Athletic player . He. Had the highest floor.

    1. Exactly, he’s a guy who has upside but the consensus was he was a safe pick. He’ll play in the big leagues. He’s not Mike Trout.

  16. Dustin Pedroia, aka Scott Kingery ‘lite’, is out with a severe wrist injury. The Red Sox are in the AL east race……just saying. C’mon, Cesar! Let’s get that trade value back up.

      1. He’d be a good fit. I think he makes sense for Texas, St. Louis, and LAA as well. Not sure what they could realistically get for him. He’ll have to hit like he did for the first week + of the season.

          1. How about lhp Jalen Beeks (who Reading might have their hands full with again tonight) and Josh Tobias to recoup the Bumholz trade.

    1. 8mark…….normally a player only gets three options…but Corey S.told me that sometimes they get 4 and he and Cesar had 4 options, not sure how that works but I guess he is correct…if that is the case he could be sent down…and even Herrera could be sent down.
      Marlins did it with Ozuna last year or 2015..

  17. Terrible lineup tonight that includes Kendrick, Saunders, & Kelly, when you have Quinn, Williams, & Hoskins in the minors ready for a call up. Are they desperate for a cheap short term win?

    Hopefully this won’t be the same lineup this time next month.

  18. 7-0, 3rd Pitcher after 3. Whenever we think it cannot get worse, it does. This may be the worst of the year, and how much longer until a Coach or the Manager get sacrificed?

  19. Thanks Tim, and on the SP front, it appears that Lively is penciled in to start Saturday in the Eflin spot, and Pivetta should be the next one up to replace VV. But,in addition, I send Herrera and Franco down to LHV. I call up Quinn and Williams, put Howie at 3B and try to see if we have anything. We are unable to compete with the 2d worst team in the Majors and it is beyond unwatchable, it is embarrassing.

    1. matt13.. agree on most of what you posted.
      .I would wait however on the Williams call up, let him enjoy more AAA success….at least ….until Howie is moved anyway.
      Understand both H and F have options…then use them …send them down , ala Marcell Ozuna in ’15, for about six-weeks and let them re-group.
      Lively needs to get his call up with ViVe’s absence.
      Then Appel and then I would do Eshelman after 5/6 more starts at LHV.
      IMO, I would let Pivetta, Eflin and Thompson stay there until September so they can keep in some type of pitching rhythm.
      .

  20. Did anyone hear Matt Klentak’s comments about the “progress” of his team and the strategy used by other teams to get high draft picks, including the Nationals. I never thought the Phillies were out-and-out tanking (one can debate whether they should or should not do this – but I didn’t really think they were doing it, I just thought they were building with young players), but after hearing his comments, I think they probably are. I am generally not favor of a full-blown tank in baseball (at least until you get to late August and it’s clear the season is a loss), but sometimes it might make sense if there’s a generational talent at the top of the next draft class. Does anyone know if we have a first tier talent leading next year’s draft class – someone like a Bryce Harper or a Ken Griffey, Jr.? Just curious.

    One word to Matt Klentak – if you’re going to tank, you might as well stay in house – no need to waste money on guys like Saunders and Buchholz.

    1. One of the best pure hitters in Seth Beer in 2018.
      But where does he play would be the question…there are just so many first base and LF positions open on the field.

      1. Romus you and I know what is going to happen. In September the phillies will win meaningless games and lose out on beer. I Will bet you a nice pizza from Celebres or a johns roast pork

            1. Yeah I guess…its been almost 25 years for me sitting in there, and it was cramped and dirty then…..so the last time I ever went there, around ’05, I got take out. But you can’t beat the beef.

  21. Exactly Catch, Why bring in Hendricks and Bucholz and Saunders unless the hope was they would succeed and be worth something at the trade deadline? If they succeeded, then the team would have done better. Klentak makes no sense. Maybe you can tank for a Bryce Harper, but clear cut #1 draftees are few and far between. Ask the Astros how well they did taking Appel and not Kris Bryant. The list is endless. The surefire top picks are, OTOH, a very small group. And, when are we going to hear anything from MacPhail? This is a disaster of a start to a season.

    1. I can’t believe I’m asking this, but is Aaron Nola hurt again? He was pulled after 3 not so good, but not disastrous, innings. Injury is typically the most likely explanation. This is month is about the worst I’ve ever seen a major league team play.

      1. This team is like a traveling “get well” card for all the worst teams in baseball. It’s almost hard to believe how bad they are.

      2. I only caught a little bit but his body language wasn’t great during that meeting on the mound after Franco misplayed that ball at third. Wonder if they just wanted to get him out of there.

        Say what you want about Herrera but at least he offers defensive value. Franco’s useless if he can’t hit.

  22. And as for Machado, he’s batting around .210, last night he went 0-5 with 4 K’s. I wonder if Harper will just use the Phillies to drive up his asking price. If we don’t get Pavin, then Beer next year. Hey, that can be our new tank slogan – BEER NEXT YEAR! It beats “trust the process.”

    1. Well if th Draft Beer then draft a player with the last name Here . You could get a Jersey that read ” Beer Here “.

  23. This would be the right time to bring up Alec Asher. Oh, wait. I almost forgot. The Phillies traded him to the Orioles for a bag of balls.

    1. Asher isn’t all that good himself. Hindsight 20/20 I’m sure they would’ve cut Morgan over him but he’s not a huge loss.

  24. The Marlins scored ten runs and Stanton didn’t even play! The good news: Every player in the Phillies lineup got one hit. The bad news: The starting lineup accounted for 13 (out of 15) strikeouts.

    This might go down as the most embarrassing season in many years. I’m not even angry any more with the FO and field manager. It’s getting downright funny! Imagine, May 31 and we’re saying, “Wait until next year”.

  25. Catch, I thought the same thing. When will they announce that Nola is hurt again? I think this is the worst start since the infamous 1961 Phils, and their 23 game losing streak. I think they only lost 107 that year, but it was still a 154 game schedule. When does Middleton go back on the radio and tell us how impatient and competitive he is?

  26. Well it’s over. Now’s the time for MacPhail to stand up and say something and do something. Off day tomorrow. Let’s see some roster moves to shake up and wake up the troops. Players will not play with any urgency when management doesn’t show any urgency.

    Herrera, Franco, Joely, Ty Kelly can all be sent down. Saunders can come off the bench. Bring up Quinn, either Williams or Perkins (I don’t care which), Venditte, and pick up a warm body off the waiver wire.

    And while you’re at it, MacKlentak – bring Jetpax and Pullin up to Lehigh!

    1. Clarification – send Franco and Herrera to Reading, out of the limelight and pressure where they can totally focus on the basics.

    2. Klentak earlier today told Jim Salisbury, Maikel is not going anywhere. He started quoting launch angles. exit velocity and bad luck that all point to Franco coming out of this funk..
      Can’t say I agree with that….sounds like they are enabling him.

      1. I said howard eskin said this on the radio and people said Howard is not right. lots of negative comments but i believe him and now you see. SHELDON says the things howard told us on radio. amazing. I Really think penny should have coitus with Sheldon to help him clear his mind

        1. rocco…remember Theo’s first three years with the Cubs they lost 286 games and won only 199….but each year from 2012 thru 2014 they did improve their win/lost record.

          1. The new catch phrase in my business these days seems to be “let’s take a 30,000 foot view”

            When I was in the Air Force I flew a lot and always enjoyed the sensation of take off and landing. Things move so fast when the tube of death fires up its engines to take off. Then wheels up and there is usually this weird calmness out the window.

            You don’t see the detail down below the hustle and bustle of people and cars is non-existent.

            A rebuild is like that 🙂

          2. The difference with the Cubs was that you saw most of the pieces coming together (not so much the rotation, but definitely the hitters) and you knew for a virtual certainty that they were on the verge of being very good because they had numerous elite, advanced prospects and a few really good young major leaguers. We don’t have numerous elite, advanced prospects. We have Kingery and Hoskins and maybe Crawford and then a lot of question marks. And our major league roster is loaded with question marks. I have no idea – I mean none – how good most of these players will be in two years. I didn’t feel that about the Cubs at the time.

            1. The analogy I’d draw to the Cubs is with the Sixers. I have a very high level of confidence that the Sixers are about to get much better, as I did with the Cubs. The Phillies COULD get a lot better, but it’s very uncertain.

      2. “I don’t care about walks I care about Launch Angles and Exit Velocities”

        GM’s say dumb things when their clubs are floundering!

        1. DMAR….what was really telling in the interview yesterday….my take on the one part, the team on the field right now….when listening between the ‘lines’…is not the team he envisions to be there in the future……he said he has to try to marry the present with the future…or something akin to that. And he will not rush anyone up.

          1. of course Romus but by trying to pander to analytics nerds is not really the way to go.

            Did you see Mike Trouts interview on launch angles and exit velocities it’s a GD classic and reading that between the lines the best player in baseball is saying get out of my face with that nonsense.

            1. Yeah……sometimes the over abundance of analysis can cause paralysis.
              From Ruben to Matt…180 degrees when it comes to metrics…though both said there has to be a combination of the traditional and the new analytics to make things work.

              .

            2. Did not see Trout’s interview on that.
              Maybe they will show that on the MLB network…Brian Kenny should show it.

        2. He has a point but it really isn’t a good one. If some of the balls he’s hit hard that were right at people or just missed clearing the fence fell in he’d still probably be a .240-.250 guy. That’s not improvement, that’s the same guy he was last year. That’s the same guy as Freddy Galvis who plays average-below average defense.

  27. I wasn’t saying that Asher is a “savior”. He, at least, kept the team somewhat in the game. If the Phillies are dipping into the minors to get “a body”, Asher was a reliable 5th starter. Hindsight, yes, but they could’ve kept him on the forty and dropped someone else.

  28. The problem with what Klentak said is that we can see with our eyes that Franco is flailing away with no idea of the strike zone, and no attempt to hit up the middle. So talking about exit velocities and launch angles is meaningless until he works on keeping himself under control, and keeping his head in the zone, not having it fly over his left shoulder. People don’t want him to fail, they want him to show he is working on things, not doing the same thing, trying to hit a HR with every swing.

    1. matt13…I wonder if Mack and the coaching staff…Bowa and Stairs, would like to have had Franco go down to LHV for awhile….and Matt Klentak vetoed against that.
      Jim Salisbury reported on Tuesday there were discussions along those lines about Franco using one of his two remaining options and trying to regroup down there.
      Klentak said he is not going anywhere but staying in Philly.

      1. Franco’s issues cannot be fixed in the MLB IMO

        Odubel on the other hand has a very sound swing. He can be fixed with some rest and some patience.

        1. DMAR…unfortunately Matt Klentak has his own opinion. We will hear at some point what the coaches felt…..but probably not until after the season is completed.
          No leaks in their house.

  29. How bad is it for Maikel these days……Jayson Stark reveals, when ahead in the count, he is 6 for 53….that is very distressing.

  30. I was watching csn at 5 and John Smallwood says why are they not bringing up young guys. They have all these vets. So i stood there and thought. Franco is young, the only starter that i thought of was saunders who is over 30 i believe. So its the young guys who are killing us now.

    1. rocco…correct…position players only like Franco, Cesar, ToJo, Altherr and Odubel all are considered young…26 or so and younger.
      Then there is Freddy at 27 and Rupp at 28.
      Far form an aging team.
      However, they are just not as skilled as the yutes at LHV and Reading who occupy most of the saem positions they do in Philly..

      1. Ceaser also 27 the Phillies are the 2nd youngest team in baseball. I’ve seen many people on chat’s get killed for saying that a AAA team can beat a MlB team. A poster ask Eric Long in HiS chat if a AAA team could beat an Angels team without Trout . Eric Long said ” I just saw the most polished AAA team LV and noway they beat a MLB team.

  31. J Rod 23 ings 33 hits hmm I really think he’s needs to go . Eick can’t find the strike zone this team went down hill so fast.

  32. Silver lining – at this rate I think we’ll be able to secure next year’s #1 draft pick by the all star break. Then, we can enjoy watching the kids up here in Aug/Sept, maybe they’ll play .500+ ball. It’s just painful getting there. Or are we all numb yet?

  33. If nothing else, the FO must acquire a TOR arm, whether via trade or FA. They used to call them “stoppers”, although I don’t know if anybody can stop this mess right now. One won’t be enough but at least it would be a start. No pun intended.

  34. I long to see this lineup a few times this Sept –
    Kingery 2b
    Crawford ss
    Altherr cf
    Cozens rf
    Hoskins 1b
    Williams lf
    Franco 3b
    Alfaro c
    Eshelman p

  35. I can understand such poor play when the pitchers aren’t pitching and the hitters aren’t hitting. But, when the team is listless and plays with no urgency, that irks me.

    Any other team would probably shake up management but not the Phillies. They give out premature extensions and votes of confidence.

    When a team is in the third-fourth year of a rebuild, aren’t they supposed to be getting better? Can’t fathom how this process has regressed.

  36. I agree that the lifeless play is totally unacceptable. Cesar has made 2 bad errors in 2 straight games, and you can add the defense to the hitting and the pitching. Eickhoff has really regressed, and could it be the Catcher? Is it McClure? Is the talent reaching its level and Eickhoff was a fluke last year? Hellickson’s velocity is down and he has regressed. I keep waiting to hear about another Nola injury. We already got VV’s, and Eflin got rocked his first game back in AAA. So, the SP, which was decent, is now a trainwreck. I wonder if Bowa managing the rest of the year could give these guys some spark?

  37. Also, giving Alec Asher away for nothing was plain stupid. There are 40 man spots being wasted. I am in no way saying he is a great SP, but he is doing a very nice job with the O’s, and would be pitching every 5th day for us. So losing him for nothing was a waste, and that is on Klentak.

    1. matt13… that was a PTBNL/cash deal…so not over yet.
      http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-acquire-right-hander-alec-asher-in-trade-with-phillies-20170328-story.html

      Tom Housenick, sports beat writer for the Allentown Morning Call was talking today on 94 and said the only two Pigs he sees coming up this year and helping the Phillies would be Roman Quinn and Rhys Hoskins.
      JPC glove is fine, but his bat still needs refinement.
      Alfaro is too inconsistent behind the plate…a great game then a few lapses.
      And no starting pitchers.

    2. Matt first time around is easy for some pitcher. He stinks. they will bomb him. I dont think you ever saw him pitch, to think he can help

  38. My perception of the relationship between Klentak and the coaching staff seems a bit disjointed. I’m not a big Mackanin fan but when one guy us giving us GM-speak, “Hey it’s all part of the plan” while the manager is throwing his hands up in the air saying “Hey I don’t know what else to do”, it creates an image of instability within. I have no problem with the FO’s publicly stated philosophy in rebuilding. I do have a problem with an executive type pissing on my shoes and telling me it’s raining. Again, MacPhail needs to speak candidly from his overview of what’s going on.

      1. Romus, remember the scene in “And Justice for All” when Pacino says “In theory, what you’re trying to do is highly commendable. In practice, IT SUCKS!”

  39. The Phillies won Lively pitched a great game , Tojo homered ,Herrera with 2 doubles ,Franco 2 for 4 ? Wtf full moon ?

    1. It was a really nice debut by Lively. Two things of note.

      First, I don’t know precisely where this narrative come from that categorizes Lively as a soft tosser who throws 88 or 89 MPH. I’ve heard this now several times from several sources and it’s just false. Lively is not a flame thrower but he’s not a soft tosser either. In fact, because his FB moves up in the zone (a trait that only Velazquez shares among the Phillies’ major league starter), he’s more of a power pitcher than a finesse pitcher.

      Second, we were at the game and the quote of the day was from my wife. When I said how well I thought Lively pitched she commented that it was because McClure “has gotten his hands on him yet.” Well said, my lady, well said. And she might be right – if you see Lively give up his cutter (which is a good pitch) and just throw more curves, well then you might conclude that Bob is working his “magic.”

        1. Yes, but he was portrayed as a guy who threw for below-average velocity – he’s not. And, as I noted, his ball moves up in the zone – he can throw a high FB by a hitter, which is a very valuable skill (one that guys like Appel and Efflin currently cannot rely on) – which means he can pitch like a power pitcher at times.

      1. He dipped into the high-80s a couple times, which is not a big deal. But a couple other times I’ve seen him, he was there more often. Maybe he’s developed enough now that this is the fastball we’ll see from him every time.

        Still, I didn’t see a secondary pitch that was good enough to fool ML hitters. 0 strikeouts pretty much bears that out.

  40. No matter how hard he tried, Neris didn’t give the game away. Good thing the Phils had their old new closer on hand to finally, finally get a victory. If they win today, I’m sensing a parade in Philly tomorrow.

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