Open Discussion: Week of April 10th

The Phillies started the 2017 season 3-3 with an opening day win in Cincinnati and two wins at home against the hated Nationals.

It was kind of an uneven week.  Don’t get me wrong, I think 3 wins is an excellent outcome for the week.  But, some things gave me pause.

For instance,

  1. Jeremy Hellickson pitched a great opener and Jeanmar Gomez gave up 2 runs in the ninth to almost blow the game.
  2. Game two, the Phillies get 1-hit thru 7 by former 1st round pick (2014, 17 overall KC) Brandon Finnegan.
  3. They dropped game three when reliever Adam Morgan gave up 3 runs in a tied game.
  4. They rallied against Max Scherzer and the Nats bullpen in game four but it wasn’t enough because reliever Joely Rodriguez give up three runs on 5 hits and 2 walks in 2.0 innings to bury starter Vince Velasquez in a game that became another close loss.
  5.  They rebounded the following night with a thrashing of the Nats fifth starter in a blow out victory.
  6. Then they close out the week with another great effort by Hellickson only to have Gomez blow the game in the ninth.  Fortunately the boys bailed him out in the bottom of the inning.

Now, I don’t mean to imply that the bullpen stinks.  But, Morgan, Gomez, and Rodriguez have had four bad outings.  However, Edubray RamosPat Neshek, Jaquin Benoit, and Hector Neris have yet to give up a run in 12 appearances, 12.2 innings.

The starters have been a mixed batch, too.  Hellickson has been great.  Jerad Eickhoff pitched well in a loss.  Nola pitched well in a blow out victory. Clay Buchholz and Velasquez have had rough outings, although Vince showed much promise with 10 K in four innings.

The offense has performed well enough.  They scored enough runs to win five of their games so far.  The bench of Daniel Nava, Andres Blanco, and Aaron Altherr has performed above any reasonable expectations.  They are the top three sluggers on the team.

Howie Kendrick, Odubel Herrera, and Freddy Galvis are the best of the everyday players. Although, I get nervous when Galvis starts hitting home runs.  In his 21 at bats, he has 1 walk and 7 K.  Cesar Hernandez is just slightly behind the top three.

There is a gap to the rest.  Mike Saunders is treading water above .200.  But catchers Cameron Rupp and Andrew Knapp are both hitting exactly .200.  The corner infielders are even more of a problem.  Maikel Franco and Tommy Joseph have horrible slashes, one double and 4 walks between them.  Brock Stassi is 0-4 but has 3 walks in limited chances.

Defensively, the Phillies have committed ZERO errors.

The Phillies ended the first week of the season in a four way tie for first place.

Here’s the open discussion thread for Phillies’ talk and other topics.

Key dates remaining:

  • June 12-14th – Amateur Draft
  • July 31st – Non-waiver Trade Deadline
  • December 10-14th – Winter Meetings in Orlando
  • December 14th – Rule 5 Draft

Extra Innings

Results from the polls I ran last week.  I wanted to allow ONLY “Other” answers, but the polling application requires a minimum number of choices.  I suspect that the random numbers I selected shaped the polls a little.

The Number of Phillies’ Wins in 2017 Poll drew 250 votes – 74 wins was the overwhelming choice.  The highest prediction among “Other” was 76 wins (15 votes).  The lowest prediction was 65 wins (2 votes) and the highest was 87 wins (1 vote) if I ignore the clown who picked 162 wins.

 

The First IronPig Called Up (non pitcher) Poll drew 261 votes.  The prohibitive choice was Roman Quinn.  Those receiving votes other than Quinn, Williams, and Crawford were Valentin (under multiple spellings), Cozens, Perkins, Hoskins, and one bright star wrote in Quinn, duh.  Several others voted for pitchers, double duh.

 

The Phillies 2018 Draft Position Poll drew 225 votes.  One third thought they would select ninth.  Almost another third voted “Other”.  A couple had them as high as third, another had them as low as 20th.

 

The 2017 Draft Choice Poll drew 241 votes.  Almost half agree that the Phillies will select the best player available.  Another third selected college pitcher.

 

Cumulative transactions: (Bold text indicates new entries).

  • 4/8 – 1B Darick Hall assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/8 – 1B Brett Barbier assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/6 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Osvaldo Arauz to a minor league contract.
  • 4/6 – Phillies sent RHP Zach Eflin on a rehab assignment to Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/6 – Edgar Garcia assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Deivi Grullon assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Emmanuel Marrero assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Wilson Garcia assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Cornelius Randolph assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Jan Hernandez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Cole Irvin assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/6 – Tyler Gilbert assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Clearwater Threshers placed DH Zach Green on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/6 – Clearwater Threshers placed IF Derek Campbell on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/6 – Blake Quinn assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Franklyn Kilome assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/6 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • Released – RHP Jesse Beal, RHP Kale Fultz, RHP Carlos Indriago, RHP Ulises Joaquin, RHP Jordan Kurokawa, RHP Will Morris, RHP Jose Nin, LHP Sean Burnett, C Ryan Hanigan, C Bryan Holaday, 2B Luis Espiritu, 2B Taylor Featherston, OF Chris Coghlan, OF Christian Marrero (from Baseball America’s MiLB Transactions by Matt Eddy)
  • 4/5 – Cincinnati Reds claimed LF Tyler Goeddel off waivers from Philadelphia Phillies.
  • 4/5 – Bailey Falter assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/5 – Brett Barbier assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/4 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed RHP Dalier Hinojosa on the 7-day disabled list. Strained right shoulder.
  • 4/4 – Colton Murray assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Phillies Ext. Spring Training.
  • 4/3 – Angelo Mora assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 4/3 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Carlos Tocci assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Chace Numata assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Reading Fightin Phils placed LHP Elniery Garcia on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/3 – Jiandido Tromp assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Reading Fightin Phils placed RHP John Richy on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/3 – Jorge Flores assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/3 – Kyle Martin assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Matt Hockenberry assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Shane Watson assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/3 – Reading Fightin Phils placed RHP Victor Arano on the 7-day disabled list.
  • 4/3 – Yacksel Rios assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/2 – Philadelphia Phillies placed RHP Zach Eflin on the 10-day disabled list retroactive to March 30, 2017. Knee surgeries.
  • 4/2 – RHP Adonis Medina assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – 1B Alex Wojciechowski assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – SS Arquimedes Gamboa assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – LHP Bailey Falter assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – 1B Brett Barbier assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – LF Cord Sandberg assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 4/2 – Damek Tomscha assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – 2B Daniel Brito assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – 3B Danny Zardon assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – 1B Darick Hall assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – CF David Martinelli assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – RHP Felix Paulino assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – Grenny Cumana assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – C Henri Lartigue assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – Jacob Waguespack assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – Jesus Alastre assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – LHP JoJo Romero assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – LHP Jonathan Hennigan assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – Jose Pujols assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – Jose Taveras assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – 3B Lucas Williams assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – Mark Laird assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – RHP Mauricio Llovera assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – CF Mickey Moniak assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – LHP Nick Fanti assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – LHP Ranger Suarez assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – RHP Sixto Sanchez assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from GCL Phillies.
  • 4/2 – Sutter McLoughlin assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 4/2 – RHP Trevor Bettencourt assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 4/2 – RHP Will Hibbs assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 3/31 – SHP Pat Venditte assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Rhys Hoskins assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 3/31 – Mark Leiter assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 3/31 – Jorge Flores assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Osmel Aguila assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Joey DeNato assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Phillies selected the contract of 1B Brock Stassi from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Colton Murray assigned to Phillies XST from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/31 – Phillies designated LF Tyler Goeddel for assignment.
  • 3/30 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released C Ryan Hanigan.
  • 3/30 – Phillies selected the contract of LF Daniel Nava from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/30 – Phillies optioned RHP Luis Garcia to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/30 – Phillies optioned 2B Jesmuel Valentin to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/28 – Phillies traded RHP Alec Asher to Baltimore Orioles for cash.
  • 3/27 – Phillies released C Bryan Holaday.
  • 3/27 – Phillies optioned LF Roman Quinn to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/25 – LHP Hoby Milner assigned to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/24 – LHP Hoby Milner returned to Philadelphia Phillies from Cleveland Indians.
  • 3/24 -Phillies optioned RHP Jake Thompson to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/24 -Phillies optioned LF Tyler Goeddel to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 3/24 -RHP Dalier Hinojosa reassigned to minor league camp.
  • 3/24 – INF Hector Gomez reassigned to minor league camp.
  • 3/24 -C Logan Moore reassigned to minor league camp.
  • 3/17 – Phillies optioned Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/17 – Phillies optioned C Jorge Alfaro to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/17 -Phillies optioned OF Nick Williams to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/17 – Phillies reassigned OF Cameron Perkins to minor league camp.
  • 3/17 – Phillies reassigned IF Taylor Featherston to minor league camp.
  • 3/17 – Phillies reassigned SS J.P. Crawford to minor league camp.
  • 3/17 – Phillies reassigned RHP Pedro Beato to minor league camp.
  • 3/16 -Phillies signed free agent 2B Jose Rivera to a minor league contract.
  • 3/14 -Phillies optioned RHP Ricardo Pinto to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/14 -Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/14 -Phillies optioned RHP Mark Appel to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/13 -RHP Victor Arano has been reassigned to minor league camp.
  • 3/13 -Phillies optioned Elniery Garcia to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 3/13 -Phillies optioned Alberto Tirado to Clearwater Threshers.
  • 3/13 -Phillies optioned Drew Anderson to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 3/13 -Phillies optioned Dylan Cozens to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 3/13 -RHP Wilberson Liendo assigned to DSL Phillies.
  • 3/12 – Phillies reassigned Rhys Hoskins, Scott Kingery, Chace Numata, and Andrew Pullin to minor league camp.
  • 3/12 – Phillies traded RF Joey Curletta to Seattle Mariners for Pat Venditte.
  • 3/10 -Phillies signed free agent RHP Wilberson Liendo to a minor league contract.
  • 3/10 – C Freddy Barreto assigned to DSL Phillies2.
  • 3/10 -RHP Jose Conopoima assigned to DSL Phillies.
  • 3/7 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Jose Conopoima to a minor league contract.
  • 3/7 – Phillies signed free agent C Freddy Barreto to a minor league contract.
  • 3/6 -LHP Jhordany Mezquita assigned to DSL Phillies2.
  • 3/1 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Jhordany Mezquita to a minor league contract.
  • 3/4 – 15th round pick, Alex Wojciechowski, reported to minor league spring training.
  • The organization rosters are almost up to date.

130 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of April 10th

  1. Since the Phillies were acquiring relievers to sell, I was really hoping for Jerry Blevins to be our lefty. Adam Morgan just doesn’t cut it as a major leaguer. Blevins was legit and it would’ve been an added bonus to take him from the mets. The mets were slow playing him due to his cost. We could’ve killed two birds by snatching him up and outbidding the mets.

    Secondly, I was ok with letting Charlie Morton go. I was anxious to see who would fill his place. Clay Bucholz I’m not thrilled about and I will be keeping tabs on who ends up having the better season by July.

    Those were my two, “disappointments” (if you can even call them that) from the off season.

    1. Apparently Morton has a crazy spring (dunno if his numbers reflected it) throwing or better yet sitting in the upper 90’s. I remember hearing he was the big story outta Astros camp. Can anyone confirm this or am I dreaming it up?

  2. i get that the Phils is thin in bullpen arms, but i did mentioned before that Gomez should be non-tendered. His arb cost is not representative of his actual stuff. that $$ can be used for a better bullpen arm, if not, save Alec Asher or a Tyler Goeddel.

    TJ seems to be a slow starter. Franco is a little disappointed, only because I expect too much from him. I already mentioned Gomez and Buchholz in the same line before — somebody who will give you a scare in close game. VV should improve giving up free pass and long balls.

    On a positive note, nice to see Nola’s velocity and the movement in his 2S. Love to see him improve his command because that movement in his CB and 2S can be wicked. Veteran bullpen looks solid, Neris and Ramos shows back end stuff and Eick and Hellboy are being themselves — QS night in night out.

    1. The Phillies have a piddling MLB payroll. The $$ to Gomez are insignificant. The issue is 25-man and 40-man roster positions.

      1. @allen – Gomez can be an epitome of a bad use of a resource – roster spot and $$. everybody following the Phils is aware of the number crunch. $$ may be insignificant, but the FO rationale in making decision(s) is crucial. Burning $$ to be better is different from burning $$ because you have $$ to burn — Gomez and Buccholz as examples of the latter.

    1. Look at this week’s discussion. You will see the reply. Then look at what Barbier did to Kannapolis pitching this weekend.

      1. so what does a 1-game 3 of 5, 2 RBI, run should tell me about Hall? Maybe I’m just missing something since I don’t have the chance to read and catch up for 3 days, but if Barbier and Wojo are manning the 1B/DH in LWD, then Hall should be moved up (to CLW) not down (to WIL).

      1. tnx JP! So far looks like Wojo is a good 1B prospect and I hope that Barbier can perform better now that he appears to transition full time from C to 1B.

  3. Jordan Warde Akira Kekoiula Kurokawa – #28 voted prospect is now gone. I thought I will see a Kurokawa-Numata battery at some point in the minors.

  4. I have to say, having watched him now for over a full year, Jeremy Hellickson is one hell of a good pitcher. For most guys, good velocity matters a lot, but there is a type of pitcher who does just fine, thank you, with mediocre velocity, and Hellickson is one of those guys. This guy, just knows how to pitch, has great command and a swing-and-miss change-up which makes him much more dangerous. If they get a good offer for him at the trade deadline, they should take it, but he’s been a pleasure to watch and I hope the younger pitchers have learned something from him.

    1. That change up has resurrected Hellboy’s career. He’s keeping the ball down, he’s mixing speeds. He’s been great for the Phillies.

  5. I really do hate to say this, but VV scares me. I absolutely love the stuff, obviously, but hes not a spring chicken anymore; we should be seeing some signs of an ability to not throw 90 pitches through 4 innings every time out there. I mean remember how nasty guys like Vincente Padilla were when they were “on” I am just hoping that is not how VV ends up. But if he can’t find consistency, I could see him being a dominant 8th inning guy.

    1. My concern for ViVe is his shelf-life post TJ.
      Had TJ prior to 2011 season…pitched a few games at the end of ’12….came back full in’13. Has pitched over 500 innings since.
      Industry analyst have a rough estimate of 800/1000 innings pitched post TJ that starting pitchers begin to tick down both on command and velo.
      However maybe ViVe will be one of the exceptions, like Strasburg,

      1. Your right Romus that plus some are having to get a 2nd TJ surgery or thoracic outlet surgery. VV did say he couldn’t grip the ball right in was cold out. Some pitcher’s just have a hard time​ in cold weather.

    2. As much as I like Velasquez he’d be the guy I’d trade if a good package comes along . I just don’t feel great about his ability to be a long term starter. I think the way for him to have a long career is as a high leverage reliever. If Texas comes calling again or any other team with a nice pool of prospects/young ML talent I’d try quite vigorously to get a deal done.

  6. With the Phils almost ridiculous depth of young players and a jam packed 50 man and money just waiting to be spent, I think it’s very likely the Phils make a trade for a young, controllable piece this summer.

    Question – who are the likely big names to be on the trade block this summer that fit that criteria? I’m thinking it would be a starting pitcher, outfielder, or maybe 1B, but likely not a C, SS, 3B, or 2B.

    1. It would have to come from a cheap team who’s not willing to pay for their young talent. Either way, there will be a bidding war and unless the Phillies are willing to give up some of our top tier names (Crawford, Alfaro, Moniak), it’s not going to happen. Just look at the package the Nationals gave up for Adam Eaton. Packaging Williams, Cozens, Pivetta, Valentin won’t get us a top talent.

        1. The depth to be dealt from would have to be prospects closer to the big leagues unless he’s a top 10. What the Phillies need to do is manage the 40man roster sooner than later. That means trading players/packages with some value so as to make room for upcoming high ranking prospects who will have to be protected. Or promote players to the big club if they are ready. Hopefully the FO is calibrating their evaluation and development scales. If so we’ll be fine. Then there is also attrition as certain players like Adam Morgan for example might eventually be released.

        2. if you look at the makeup of the current Phillies 25 man roster, there will be at least 8 players who will be free agents that may not be back: Hellickson, Buchholtz, Kendrick, Benoit, Neshek, Gomez, Blanco, Nava. Saunders has an option. Morgan, Stassi, Garcia could be cut. That’s 12 players that can potentially go.

          Then you need to realize that out of all the depth, at least 40% won’t make it. So if Quinn and Cozens makes it, likely Williams won’t. If Eflin and Pivetta make it, likely Lively and Thompson won’t.

          So in the end, having depth is great but I’m not worried about it. It’ll all work itself out in the end. I mean, we had a roster crunch already, and we ended up trading Asher and losing Goeddel. No biggie.

  7. Here’s an interesting wrinkle:
    There’s talk about Machado returning to play his original position of shortstop upon his free agency. Should the Phillies pursue him as has been highly published, would there be any consideration of trading JP Crawford (who I’m still high on but hey….) IF he doesn’t establish himself by the end of 2018.

    1. 8mark…..role play for a minute.
      Suppose you were Dan Duquette , ExecVP/GM of the Os. and your job is get to Manny Machado’s signature on an extension…probably 6/7 years long before the end of the calendar year, his final arb year.
      But his agent and Manny refuse to sign and decide they are going FA after ’18.
      So what do you tell the Angelos family?
      Manny is going to walk after ’18 so lets QO and get a compensation pick…..OR….lets trade him to the highest bidder for multiple high premium prospects?

      1. Romus, in Machado’s case, comp picks and other relatively minor considerations won’t really matter, will they? He’s in control. Anyway, Baltimore has never shown an inclination to play with the big market boys.

        1. 8mark…..my point….he will not reach free agency. The Orioles will maximize their return on him in trade, unless they can sign him.
          And the team that will trade for him, if that ends up being the case….will undoubtedly sign him.
          How many positional playing ‘superstars’ have reached free agency in the last decade in their mid-20s?
          The numbers are dwindling.

          1. The Phillies have said there willing​ to take on money for a player with a at the end of his contract. Look into that and you could find a player the Phillies are willing to pay for. The Rockies have plenty of good players plus a well stocked minor league system.

  8. I read where a draft prospect named Seth Romero a lefty from Houston was suspended indefinitely . This is his second one he was shooting up draft boards . Otani is nicked up too he pulled a muscle.

  9. Help me figure this out…mets second run tonight off eickoff….man on first no outs. Infield single to Hernandez. Error allows man to reach third. First and third no outs. Sac fly and error on rupp allows man on first to reach second. Duda then intentional walk. Travis d’arnoud flies to right. Flores flies out. How is that sac fly an earned run?

      1. Jaron is correct.

        The runner reached on a hit. And he scored on a Sac Fly. What happens in-between is immaterial re: earned/unearned run.

        Think of it this way–Galvis singles to right, but advances to third on a throwing error by the RF. Next batter knocks him in with a SF. Its an earned run.

        1. Unearned runs are only when:

          1) The batter gets on base via an error, and scores; or

          2) The runner scores as a result of an error on the scoring; or

          3) All runs that score if the inning should have ended but continued because of an error; ie, a runner reachers on a error with two outs, the next batter hits a homerun, both of those runs are unearned. If he reached on an error with only one out, and the next batter hit a homerun, then one one run is earned, and one unearned.

        2. “What happens in-between is immaterial re: earned/unearned run.” <<< this is not accurate. errors that cause extra bases absolutely impacts whether a run is earned or not.

          anyway, it was changed to an unearned run today. it was a scoring error. Eickhoff only gave up one earned run last night.

        3. Completely wrong – you play the inning as if the errors didn’t occur and evaluate. So in this case, man on first no outs….
          – IF single plus error allows runner to third, should have been first and second, no outs
          – then sac fly would have been one out, no advance, first and second one out
          – intentional walk loads bases in should be scenario
          – then two fly outs to end inning, can’t assume sac fly, therefore unearned run

  10. Rupp had a pretty bad night last night. I was kind of looking for him to take some big steps forward this season with Alfaro pushing for a big league job at some point and Knapp a guy with no big league experience whatsoever being trusted to be his back-up.

    I don’t know what that pitch was that Joely threw to Bruce. It looked like a curve and didn’t have the sharp bite the 2 pitches before had. I mean he had him 1-2

    1. It’s early but Rupp has looked like a guy waiting to lose his job all spring, both at the plate but more importantly behind it.

      1. For me its not the bat I mean its more his behind the plate aptitude that has me scratching my head.

        On that sac fly to Odubel it looked like Stassi tipped the ball trying to fake the cut but still Rupp can’t let that get by him. And I still sense he doesn’t have a feel for game calling.

        1. DMAR…have to agree to some extent on pitch calling…do not understand some of the pitches called in certain situations. Not sure if it is Rupp or it is coming from the bench.
          For example….Cabrera had a full count prior to his HR…..pitched thrown was dead red heat, which every MLB player will be looking to square up….Eickhoff had a good curve…why not call for the curve on the full-count …Cabrera would have been fishing at it. At the worst, it is a walk to the batter if he lays off it out of the strike zone.

          1. I go back to the Votto HR in cincy with Eickhoff on the mound. If you look at the first pitch in that AB you can tell or at least it was pretty apparent to me that Votto was going to sit on that curve. Sure enough he got it and he crushed it.

            Same deal last night you have to change your sequencing and you have to go off of a batters takes. Really good hitters will eliminate certain pitcher and you can generally tell that by the pitches they are letting go by.

            Yeah the Ramos thing was dumb and hard to argue. I give him some credit for not flat out hitting him but then when he comes back and walks him well what can you say.

  11. I think it was more the pitcher he’s a rookie. The Phillies should have won that game. Ramos had no business throwing that pitch.

  12. Phillies former prospect Jonathan Arauz received a 50-game suspension without pay after testing positive for Methamphetamine.

  13. Anyone else disappointed by Mackanin’s and Rupp’s comments on the whole Edubray Ramos situation last night?

    The whole thing is total bull****.

    1. Manager should always defend his players first as it pertains to spats with the enemy, ESPECIALLY publicly.
    2. Rupp seems more concerned with hurting the met’s feelings then anything, saying “I hope it doesn’t spawn any nastiness between the teams” and “It needs to go away. It’s in the past now.”
    3. There’s nothing wrong with buzzing a player who flips his bat.

    Meh – disappointing, team culture and manager really need to grow some balls.

    1. MacKanin and Rupp are absolutely correct, it was total Bull****. Odubal flips his bat all of the time as do any number of players. As for the Cabrera situation, it was a walk-off 3-run HR in the final week of a pennant race so I would expect him to be excited.

      But even beyond the actual issue that prompted his action, it was a selfish play in a tie ballgame in the 8th inning. Do you want the Phillies getting into a bean-ball war with the Mets to start the season?

      I hope they gave him the message both privately and publically and he actually understands…

      1. Freaking Odubel flips his bat on fly ball outs so I agree kind of hard to get upset at other teams. Odubel’s mental aptitude is a real work in progress

    1. Even if they only turn out to be 4/5’s, any one of Thompson, Eflin or Pivetta making it would be a good development for the big league rotation, considering who’s on the way below them and the possibility of signing an ace FA within the next 2 yrs.

  14. I hope they move as quickly in pulling Bumholz from the rotation as they did Jeanmar from the closer role. Mets strong lefty hitting lineup VERY BAD match up. Cespedes helped our cause.

    1. 8mark…from Eric Long’s chat . this afternoon:
      2:26…….Phil’s Guy: Should I miss dinner at home to watch Bailey Falter, Moniak, Brito, Gamboa and the rest of the Blueclaws take on the Suns? My wife is an excellent cook.
      2:26………Eric A Longenhagen: I’d say hell yes but I’m a horrible person

  15. Who knew Clay Bucholtz would be this bad, this soon? I am fine with letting him go if this continues through June.

    Lively & Pivetta deserve a shot to prove value in the rotation. Hopefully, Thompson can pick it up & get the call first.

    1. As good as Hellboy has been, Buchholtz has been absolutely brutal. At this rate, he won’t last to June. 5 starts maximum, then he gets pulled.

    2. Sounds terrible, but best case scenario may be DL. I think the guy to probably come up is Eflin. I know he was just activated off DL, but pitched well at times in majors last year before injury. I think he comes up and then stays up.

      Also, what bullpen options do we have in LV? Not to overreact to SSS, but Morgan really hasn’t been good at all. Long man who’s a lefty or just long man? J-Rod isn’t really getting lefties out (or anyone) either.

      This Phillies team is weird. They have a good amount of players where I look at and go, “yea, he’s pretty good” but if you’re not in the “pretty good” (or potential) category, you’re in the “horrendous category. Like our bullpen. Ramos, Benoit, Neshek, Neris are all pretty good. Then J-Rod, Morgan and Gomez are trainwrecks. ERA’s under 2.1 or over 10

          1. Convenient indeed. Only problem is, $13M was thrown away on him and worse, they traded Alec Asher, the pitcher who SHOULD have been in the rotation. I wrote this when Phils acquired Buchholz last Dec.:

            “This is a hedge against a lack of confidence with some of their unproven young starters, such as the faltering (or just injured?) Nola and uncertainty of VV’s arm/endurance. I don’t like it as Buchholz has a career of inconsistency. Out of the above starters, plus Eickhoff, Eflin, Thompson, Asher, Lively, Pivetta, and Appel, there’s ample potential to back up Hellickson. I know Buchholz potentially can be flipped in July, but I don’t expect him to worth anything and would rather have moved forward with the youth movement.”

            I stick by it. I predict Asher will be a 12-15 game winner for the Orioles.

      1. Well, Eflin pitched today for Lehigh, but the Phillies don’t really need a replacement for Buchholtz until April 22nd, with the days off coming up. I still think Elfin gets the callup, he’s the most ready I think if he’s healthy.

  16. Well looks like Pat Venditte time I was just going to say Bucholtz is very injury prone. Morgan sent to the minors my guess Venditte, Thompson.

  17. It goes from bad to worse maybe this will be Garcia last time. I don’t think he’s a loggy though I thought Venditte because he has good numbers left-handers.

  18. Looks like we can get first pick in mlb draft. With all the money we have to spend and another top pick. we can be a 500 team, in about 5 yrs. so excited

    1. Rocco they better win on some FA’s this year. If they try and run dreck like this out there in 2018 there should be a revolt.

  19. Only seems fair that some of the 13 mill owed to Buchholtz should come out of Matt K’s pocket. What a horrible move that was!!

  20. Buchholz was a shot in the dark IMO. Money was irrelevant. My only concern was that they’d continue to run him out there in the name of hoping he’ll work things out as a veteran. That’s no longer an option. Yay!!

    1. It was a shot in the dark – perhaps the problem has existed since ST and this accounts for his dramatic loss in velocity this year; I mean has had NOTHING in the tank at any point since putting on a Phillies uniform. In any event, if it doesn’t work out, it’s not the end of the world, but if he continues to be bad as he has been, then they have to stop throwing him out there every 5th day (after he returns to good health, which is another issue) and move on. His sole value was to provide solid innings and fodder for a trade, if he can do neither, he has no use or value, regardless of what they are paying him.

      There are plenty of fairly qualified guys in AAA waiting their turn.

      1. He would have to approve any deal before June 15. Not that he wouldn’t but….yeah now’s the time to start lining up trade options.

        1. Agree.
          Yankees however are not looking that much better than the Phillies at this point.
          But I guess his star would shine brighter in the Big Apple than in Philly.

      2. Romus … The Phillies are certainly going to have to trade HellBoy (don’t see them resigning him to a long term deal). However, I don’t think the Yankees are in play for him. They will most likely be looking for a controllable starter. I’m hoping the Marlins hit well enough to allow them to contend in April and May. If Klentak could send Hellickson to the Marlins for the 1-36 pick in June’s draft, I’d be happy.

        1. Hinkie…I can see that happening with a team like the Marlins and the 36th pick.
          if they are in contention.
          Also in play could be second round supp. teams like 71-Cle…74-Bal…75-Houston who will be contenders and may look for some pitching.

          1. Romus … yes, I think Baltimore is another real possibility for Hellickson. Pick 74, some international pool money, and minor league RHP Gray Fenter for Helickson (Phils eat his salary).

        2. 2 pts …….1 if you don’t have a sp as productive as hellboy as been then you can’t make a trade. The Phillies could sign him too a 4 yr deal. The Phillies would have to sign another vet. It’s hard getting 5 quality starters . 2. The Phillies have enough prospect everywhere . There no room for more only proven relief pitches . The. Phillies are having a hard time with the 40ty man . When you lose a Tyler Goeddel a 24 yr old prospect because there no room on the 40ty . The Phillies are getting ptbnl trades because they have no room .

          1. You make a few points, some of which I agree with, others of which I do not agree with.

            As for having a stable pitcher in the rotation, there is something to be said for that, especially since Hellickson can be an example of how to pitch.

            But the idea that they can’t trade him if he’s the most productive starter – well, I don’t agree with that. The younger guys are all developing and the team will have plenty of $ to sign a starter or starters next year, including bringing him back if they think it’s the best move. Mets fans are sure glad that their team didn’t think like that when they flipped their best (and very old) ace for a guy named Syndegaard and a starting catcher. So, no, I don’t think the deciding factor here is whether he is currently the best guy on your staff.

            As for having to move players off the 40-man, it’s an interesting challenge and they will have to figure it out and it’s a good reason not to trade Hellickson for just a couple of average prospects, but if they can use the existing talent pool and Hellickson to upgrade their prospects, the 40-man won’t get in the way of that.

  21. Easy to say money is not relevant because the Phils have so much of it. However, at least they could make some smart moves with all their dough. How could they expect Bucky was going to give them “a lot of innings” when he hasn’t done it for years? It was a terrible move!

  22. As far as Buchholz goes … I would have preferred for the Phillies to pick up Charlie Morton’s $9 million option than trade for Bucholtz and his 13.5 million dollar salary. I think Klentak was betting on Buchholz’s recent history of good odd-number years:
    2013 … 2.78 FIP, 4.3 WAR
    2014 … 4.01 FIP, -1.6 WAR
    2015 … 2.68 FIP, 2.7 WAR
    2016 … 5.06 FIP, 0.2 WAR
    Morton (if he stays healthy) would be a more attractive trade candidate. This looks like a bet that Klentak is not going to win.

    1. You win some, you lose some. Picking up Morton’s option after a season ending injury would have been risky. If Morton wasn’t healthy, then Klentak would have gotten ripped for doing it. Buchholtz actually has more career WAR than Morton, and you figure that he would have some success moving to the NL. If it doesn’t work on it, next man up and you move on.

  23. Exactly two months to go until the rule 4 draft. Last week, Keith Law told me (in his chat) that he wasn’t as high on Pavin Smith as I am.

    Hinkie: Is Pavin Smith the best hitter in this year’s draft? Also, will he be there at 1-8 for the Phillies?
    Keith Law: Not the best hitter, or in the top five. He’ll be there at 8 and I bet he’ll be there at 9 too.

    Today, Frankie Piliere (D1 Baseball.com) tweeted Smith may be in play for 1-1.

    Pavin Smith had a 4 hit game yesterday for @UVABaseball and continues to become a very intriguing candidate for the #1 overall pick— Frankie Piliere (@FPiliereD1) April 12, 2017

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

    For me, Pavin Smith would be a big win at 1-8. He’s the most polished college hitter. He controls the strike zone (5 K’s/156 PA), hits for average and power (.345/.406/.612), and is a future GG winner. The day he’s drafted, he’ll be a top three first base prospect in all of baseball. I think he could be in the Phillies 2019 opening day lineup.

    1. My pause on Smith is his age and he reminds me of Colin Moran….

      Older college players with metal in their hands scare me.

      1. DMAR….why does his age scare you? its not like Darin Ruf or Kyle Martin as 4-year guys.
        Pavin Smith is 21-years old, graduated HS in 2014….he is no different in age than any other junior in college baseball that will be entering the draft in June..

        1. I like em young Romus….Kyle Lewis young like anything else we evaluate with age/level

          But you’re right the better college bats usually are 21 coming out.

    2. Here’s some of what Rob Ozga from The Baseball Draft Report has to say about Pavin Smith today https://baseballdraftreport.com/2017/04/13/2017-mlb-draft-college-first-basemen-top-10/:

      “As for Smith, I’m still not really sure what he doesn’t do well. It’s a true plus hit tool with a picture perfect swing, outstanding plate coverage, and standout pitch recognition. His raw power is above-average to plus and already showing up in games. He’s a well above-average glove at first with enough athleticism and arm strength (88-93 FB pre-TJ surgery) to at least give some teams pause when considering his long-term defensive position. I don’t see what’s not to like.

      There have been some whispers about less than ideal bat speed. Fine, I guess. I struggle with identifying bat speed outside of the extremes, so I’m happy to tip my cap to anybody who can tag a guy with an above- or below-average swing of the bat using only the naked eye. I can’t, so I try not to judge. Can’t say I’ve noticed anything all that remarkable good or bad about Smith’s bat speed, and at some point his outstanding three years of hitting high-level amateur pitching wins out (for me, at least).”

      He predicts Smith will be drafted mid-first round.

      Also … D1 Baseball.com has Smith listed in their top 5 college prospects for this year’s draft:
      1. Brendan McKay
      2. Jeren Kendall
      3. J.B. Bukauskas
      4. Pavin Smith
      5. Kyle Wright

      1. I’m with DMAR. I saw Garcia in Clearwater, and was pleasantly surprised. He’s always thrown heat (96 and 97 last night), add in that split finger and he may end up closer material (if not here, somewhere in MLB).

      2. That was on 7 ,8 9 hitters he’s still on his last legs . He out of options Phillies need a relieve pitcher that can get lefty out. Rod, Garcia are low level relief pitchers. I’d rather have Venditte or Milner.

  24. Saunders is really making me look bad. I didn’t think we were getting last years first half Saunders but also didn’t think we were getting the back half Saunders either

    Man he is getting beat on FB’s down the middle…

    1. My feelings about Saunders are like my feelings about Buchholz – it really doesn’t bother me that much if he doesn’t pan out, but if he impedes the development time of another player and does not have a trade value at the break, it will be a complete waste of time and will do more harm than good.

      Saunders has some time to turn things around, but I have really not enjoyed watching Aaron Altherr basically get no playing time because he and Kendrick are around. Altherr should, at a minimum, be starting 50% of the time (and it would be easy enough to do in the outfield) and should be entering the game on defense most days he doesn’t start, but Pete is not furthering that agenda and I’m really not happy about it.

      1. I agree, but Saunders needs to feel comfortable before playing better. This involves playing regularly.

        Altherr can play 2-3 times week for Hendrick & Saunders.

        The other side is Altherr needs to make it hard for Pete not to play him. We are not there yet, but will be in time.

  25. I live in Storrs about five miles from the UConn campus. My cable provider gives me NESN (Red Sox), YES (Yankees), and SNY (Mets). The past three years I have suffered through the torment of the Mets totally lambasting the Phillies. It’s really embarrassing.

    Last night showed why the Astros gave up Vince V (and not Joe Musgrave). The kid has absolutely no command of his pitches. Houston “threw in” Appel (over Fisher) and “sweetened” the deal by giving the Phillies Oberholtzer.

    Both Vinnie and Appel will probably end up in the bullpen. These guys are not TOR material. IMO the Phils were fleeced in this deal but that’s just 20/20 hindsight, I know. Add the poor pitching (other than Eickoff) and the Mets patience at the plate and it’s easy to see why we will end up in the cellar.

    1. Arrieta is my favorite fall back for VV. He’s still 24/25 with only 33 MLB starts and on the perfect team to develop into the type of starter we all want him to be by the time this team is ready to contend.

    2. ciada……it does look like that right now.
      VV and Appel as RPs going forward may be their futures..
      Eshelman could be a serviceable back end guy however.
      But then again……Ken Giles is struggling again this year…..so there may be ‘buyer’s remorse’ from both parties.

    3. I think it’s way too early to give up on Vince Velasquez as a top flight starter. Also, I don’t think Musgrove was on the Phillies wish list. Lance McCullers is the guy I think the Phillies were originally asking for. McCullers has a bright future, but like VV, he also has a history of injuries.

  26. I admit when i am wrong. I Was really wrong about Asche, He is hitting fourth for white sox. I Thought he stunk and would never be a good hitter. but to be a cleanup hitter proves me wrong.

    1. rocco….that’s big of you to be able to admit your mistake.
      Looks like the WSox want to give Cody the opportunity to raise his OPS.

      1. I was among his biggest supporters here and he has a great attitude and a truly tremendous swing, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves, he’s hitting .100.

  27. Good to see Nola’s 4S reach 95 mph in multiple occassions. It’s just a matter of time for Nola to be confortable with his command over the plate. If he can develop a consistent CU at stay healthy — Nola and and Eickhoff the rotation while waiting for a true TOR to come (via FA, trade or farm).

    1. They are going to have to consider whether Gomez has a future with the team. Two worst decisions. Bucholz trade, Gomez resigning

      1. And, yet, the worst of all may be that Pete is not giving any playing time to Altherr or Knapp. It’s criminal that the presence of Kendrick and Saunders is fully shutting Altherr out – especially after the progress he seemed to make this spring.

  28. Star-studded pitching matchup tonight in the SEC. Vanderbilt’s Kyle Wright (lots of mock drafts have him going to the Phillies at 1-8) beat Florida’s Brady Singer (likely top 10 pick in 2018). Final score was 2-0. It was Wright’s best game of the year, after a mediocre start to the year. He looked great. 9 IP, 99 pitches, 0 R, 3 H, 0 BB, 13 K. He was still hitting 95 in the ninth inning.

  29. How about them Cesar, Velentin, Kingery and Brito!!! Can the Phils try Brito back to SS?!?

    As for our old pal Asher — he debut today as an Oriole and gave 3H, 1BB, 1ER, 5K in 6.1 IP while Buchholz got a fanthom (good for the Phils) injury!

  30. Any thoughts on Phillies extending Hellickson? The guy knows how to pitch. 30 yrs old. A 3 yr deal with an option yr for say $40M?

    And where did I read that Saunders asked Pete “Is this a platoon?” when Altherr started his first game in RF? Pete gave him a “hummina hummina….uh, no”. Altherr should be starting, forget about platooning.

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