Box Score Recap – 4/9/2017

Lehigh Valley swept a double header from Pawtucket behind a pair of three hitters by Ben Lively and Nick Pivetta.

Reading rallied from 5 runs behind to take the lead but dropped a one run decision to Portland and remains winless.

Clearwater topped Dunedin behind four solo home runs including “C” Randolph’s organization leading third home run.

Lakewood scored singles runs in seven of nine innings and remained undefeated through the first weekend of the season.

Big power surge in the organization Sunday.  Dylan Cozens and Rhys Hoskins hit their first home runs for Lehigh Valley, Kyle Martin and Andrew Pullin hit their first home runs of the season, Jan Hernandez, Herlis Rodriguez,and Damek Tomscha hit their first home runs for Clearwater.  Randolph hit his third of the season.

Lehigh Valley (2-2) swept a pair of seven inning games from the Pawtucket Red Sox 3-1 and 5-2.

Ben Lively pitched 6.0 innings allowing 3 hits and an earned run.  He struck out five and walked none.  Cozens’ and Hoskins’ HRs powered the offense in game one.

  • #1 Crawford: .083, 0-2, BB
  • #3 Alfaro: .545, 0-2, BB
  • #4 Williams: DNP
  • #6 Quinn: .385, 1-3
  • #9 Cozens: .111, 1-2, 2 R, HR, RBI, BB
  • #12 Pivetta: DNP
  • #13 Hoskins: .273, 2-3, R, HR, 2 RBI
  • #17 Pinto: DNP
  • #20 Appel: DNP
  • #25 Lively: (1-0, 1.50) – 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
  • #30 Valentin: .500, 1-2

In game two, Nick Pivetta also pitched 6.0 innings allowing 3 hits and two runs (one unearned).  He struck out eight and walked none.  Hoskins and Jesse Valentin had multi-hit games.  Logan Moore had 2 RBI.  Roman Quinn, Valentin, and Hector Gomez had one each.

  • #1 Crawford: .067, 0-3, 2 K
  • #3 Alfaro: .545, 0-2, BB
  • #4 Williams: .200, 0-3, R, SB
  • #6 Quinn: .333, 0-2, RBI, K
  • #9 Cozens: .083, 0-3
  • #12 Pivetta: (1-0, 1.50), 6.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 K, HBP, Balk
  • #13 Hoskins: .357, 2-3, 2 R, double
  • #17 Pinto: DNP
  • #20 Appel: DNP
  • #25 Lively: (1-0, 1.50)
  • #30 Valentin: .615, 3-3, R, RBI

Reading (0-3) lost to the Portland Sea Dogs 11-10.

Reading took an early 3-1 lead on Angelo Mora’s bases loaded walk, a double play, and Scott Kingery’s RBI double.  Starter Drew Anderson gave up six runs in the third and the Phils trailed until they rallied with runs in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings gave them a 10-8 lead on a Jiandido Tromp RBI ground out, Andrew Pullin 3-run HR, Kyle Martin solo HR, Carlos Tocci bases loaded HBP, and Martin bases loaded walk.

After Anderson left the game, Mario Sanchez struck out four in 3.0 innings but extended the deficit by another run.  Tom Windle gave up a game-tying home run and left with two outs and a runner on second.  Miguel Nunez came on and retired only one of the four batters he faced as he let the go ahead run come around and score.

  • #11 Kingery: .300, 2-4, 2 R, double, RBI, BB
  • #18: Garcia: 7-Day DL
  • #22 Anderson: (0-0, 21.00), 3.0, 8 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 1 BB, 0 K
  • #23: Arano: 7-Day DL
  • #24 Tocci: .182, 1-4, R, RBI, 2 K
  • #28 Canelo: DNP

Clearwater (2-2) beat the Dunedin Blue Jays 4-2.

Cole Irvin shut out the Jays on 2 hits over 6.0 innings.  He walked one and struck out eight. Edgar Garcia gave up a couple runs.  And, Jeff Singer picked up his second save.

All the Threshers’ runs came on solo home runs by “C” Randolph (3), Herlis Rodriguez, Jan Hernandez, and Damek Tomscha.  Wilson Garcia and Tomscha had multi-hit games. Rodriguez and Grenny Cumana each stole their first base of the season.

Herlis Rodriguez started in right field for Jose Pujols and went 1-2 with a run scored, HR, RBI, 3 BB, K, and SB.

  • #5 Kilome – DNP
  • #10 Randolph – .176, 1-4, R, HR, RBI, 2 K, HBP
  • #27 Garcia – 1.2 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, HBP
  • #29 Pujols: DNP

Lakewood (4-0) beat Kannapolis 7-1.

Reliever Ismael Cabrera pitched 3.0 perfect innings for the win, striking out three.

Arquimedes Gamboa hit his first HR. Gamboa, Brett Barbier, Alexz Wojciechowski, and Cord Sandberg had multi-hit games.  Barbier had 3 doubles and two RBI.

Seven of the BlueClaws starting nine are hitting .300 or better – Daniel Brito (.353), Gamboa (.333), Mickey Moniak (.412), Barbier (.333), Wojo (.333), Henri Lartigue (.333), and Sandberg (.313).

  • #2 Moniak: .412, 1-3, 2 R, RBI, BB, 2 SB
  • #7 Sanchez:  DNP
  • #16 Medina: 4.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 2 K
  • #19 Brito: .353, 1-4, RBI, BB, K, SB
  • #26 Romero: DNP

Williamsport (0-0)

  • #8 Gowdy
  • #15 Stobbe
  • #21 Ortiz

GCL Phillies (0-0)

DSL Phillies (0-0)

DSL Phillies2 (0-0)

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings:

  • 4/6 – Phillies signed free agent RHP Osvaldo Arauz to a minor league contract.



58 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 4/9/2017

    1. I am seeing some things from Hoskins that I really like. First, he has very sound approach at the plate, something I’m seeing more and more from many of our big league and minor league players, which I think shows improved coaching and development. The other thing is that Hoskins hits home runs to the opposite field and can hit some bad balls out of the park. The ball he hit out yesterday to dead center field, was not right in his wheelhouse – he needed to reach down to hit that out. That’s very encouraging sign and, yes, I agree, I think he’s the real deal too. But, in the long run, who will be better – Hoskins or Joseph? I’m going with Hoskins, but the outcome is very uncertain.

      And, how about Valentin!!!! I’m telling you this right now – if Crawford continues to struggle, Valentin is going to see a little time at shortstop – he has been raking for a month and a half now.

      1. On Hoskins – bad balls is not the right description – the ball he hit yesterday was a strike, I believe, but it was not a hitter’s pitch – it was a ball that was difficult to drive.

    1. Or for Pivetta. He was sitting 91-93 in ST which was slower than I recalled him throwing, but it was very early in ST – wonder if he is sitting more in the 92-95 range now. Watch yourself Clay Buchholz – there are a lot of hungry, talented guys in AAA waiting to take your place!

        1. It could actually be Eflin. But between those two, however, I think Pivetta’s ceiling is higher, so I’ll go with him. I think Lively is going to be the odd man out this year unless he’s so dominant that he forces their hand or the major league team is hit with a slew of injuries.

          1. To finish the sentence, unless Lively forces their hand or there are injuries at the major league level, I don’t see him getting promoted this year before September 1. I believe Eflin, Thompson, Pivetta and, if he pitches well, Appel, are in front of him – and Pinto may be too. He’s a nice 4/5th starter and he will get his chance somewhere, but it will be tough for him to break into the majors for the Phillies prior to September 1.

            1. Re: Lively
              If he has 2/3 more consecutive quality starts, IMO I would try to move him to a MLB team that needs pitching. A 25-year old may be of interest. Look at the Yankees situation right now. What is his future with the Phillies beyond 2017?
              You will not get a bonanza in return, but a 19-year old low A prospect or some international signing money, may go a long way to keeping the pipeline flowing.

      1. Pivetta could be the one who rises among Thompson, Eflin and Lively. It’ll take 6 to 8 weeks for the dust to settle over the minor league landscape. Buchholz should be either gone or have regained some semblance of his former self.

      2. yeah…clay buchholz looks like a failed experiment. he does not throw hard and has poor command. he will not last long in the rotation.

        1. Yeah I was there. By memory I was going to say 93-95T96 stadium gun which is inconsistently displayed at this juncture.

    2. This was reported before the draft last yr he was up to 95 ,96 his pre draft velo. Bty found the comp for Cozens look at Carter he’s on the Yanks last yr totals. I do think Cozens a better player then Carter.

  1. With reports of weak contact last year and spring training as well as a slow start this year, when (if at all) do we worry about JP? Is he really a better version of Freddy right now if he’s not walking and getting on base? Hope he breaks out of it

    1. I’ll start worrying about JP in June if he’s still struggling. The biggest concern is more the fact that unlike most other positions, they don’t have a ton of options coming up behind him in the organization.

    2. JP looks great at SS. Good arm and effortless fielding. He anticipates where to go for a ball and gets there quickly. He is a disciplined batter who will take close balls with two strikes on him. Good coaching should help him square up pitches better. I have no worries about him. I feel they promoted him too soon to AAA, before he was dominant at AA. He will probably take this year at least to dominate AAA pitching. That is the FO’s mantra for promotion. They did not wait for him to dominate AA. They should stick to their criteria and not rush him this time.

  2. Nice little power surge from Randolph. Pleasant surprise.

    Mokiak’s start has me excited to head back to Lakewood for a game next month. Love that park and can’t wait to see him play. (Gamboa is also my sleeper pick for the year so I’ll be intrigued to see him as well.)

  3. Going to the Lakewood- Hagerstown game tonight. Live in Hagerstown. I love when the Claws come into town. Can’t wait to see Moniak and the group this year.

    1. Jtttw……looking forward to your observable report if you decide to do one.
      Also one on Fanti and how he does.
      Hopefully the gun is working in Hagerstown and yuo will be able to get an accurate reading on Fanti’s velo..

  4. Regarding 2b – if Cesar H is here 10 yrs from now and we have a few pennant runs with a couple championships under our belt, I’ll be more than happy. Looking at the biggerpicture, I would think that the FO has and will continue to gather input from throughout the organization and assess the future at each position. Cesar Hernandez is the future at 2b unless somebody better (or with higher value) is coming up the pipeline. Valentin, Kingery and Brito will tell us if Hernandez is here a year from now, let alone 10 yrs.

    1. These inexplicable comments against Cesar Hernandez remind me of the “Can’t wait until Lou Marson takes Ruiz’s job” conversations.

      1. There are two things going on.

        One is the Cesar doubters (who are becoming less vocal as time goes by – for obvious reasons). They criticize Cesar because, at times, Cesar has done some really inexplicably dumb things on the baseball field, especially as a base runner – these are the sort of things that drive fans nuts. It was hard to watch at times, especially when he did the same dumb thing more than once. My point, however, was that he was still really good in spite of these dumb mistakes and that there’s no reason cannot improve on those things as he has improved on everything else. Cesar is a very good player right now – probably the best on the team along with Odubel – and he’s still improving a very nice pace.

        The second thing is the competition. I am not calling for Cesar’s removal because of Valentin and Kingery, but just because Cesar is really good does not mean these guys are not also very good. This is where the team is going to have to have a very good feeling of what it has in these other players. I am not dead set against moving Cesar IF they can get a lot in return and they believe that, between Valentin and Kingery, they can roughly approximate his value. But I also agree that they should not be rushing to move Cesar right now. Why would they do that while he is improving and his value is increasing? It makes no sense.

        Rather, I think the guy who is in the way here is clearly Freddy. I like Freddy, but I cannot see him as the long-term guy at short. Fortunately, Valentin can also play some short. If he continues to hit like this, I’d be in favor of moving Freddy and having Valentin and Blanco share the SS position until Crawford is ready. By doing this, they will have more of a chance to evaluate Valentin as a hitter to see if they can afford to move Cesar.

        But listen, I’m not at all ruling out the possibility that Cesar can develop into a minor star and a cornerstone of the rebuild and, if so, he probably shouldn’t go anywhere. If I’m the Phillies, I’m working hard right now to sign Cesar to the type of deal Odubel got – if Cesar doesn’t improve AT ALL going forward, it would still be great deal and would give the Phillies maximum optionality.

        1. Couple of thoughts on the Cesar debate – if the Phils rebuild goes as planned and JP is a top of the order guy and Alfaro is a middle of the order guy, the Phils can afford to have a 2B bat eighth.

          Second, with regards to his bonehead plays, were through six games and I haven’t seen any so hopefully he’s focused. If he screws up 3 times tonight, I take full responsibility.

        2. Appreciate the term “doubter” rather than “hater” because as one of those who has been part of the “trade him while his value is high crowd” I have never hated him as a player. I do think his 2016 WAR was above his expected norm and do not think he will repeat it again in 2017 but I will be fine with him becoming an above average 2b for the Phillies moving forward. If that happens, then Valentin and Kingey can become trade pieces in the next couple of years.

          My main issue with the discussion around Cesar and others is that everyone gets divided into 2 camps, either you are an uninformed myopic fan or you are an irrational hater. We’ve seen the same with Tocci, Hernandez, Ruf, The Rizz, etc.

        3. As a Cesar doubter I’ll say that the longer he keeps producing the harder it is to keep that up, obviously.

          But the bonehead plays were only a part of the reason I’ve been skeptical. He also struck out a lot for a guy who had no power. The second half of last year he started to pick up more XBHs. I’m not sure if he’ll sustain that yet.

      2. It’s always like this every year. It’s the inevitable “grass is greener on the other side” debate. Remember when we had the “trade Odubel debate to make room for Quinn” the last 2 years? I guess now it’s the “trade Cesar to make room for Valentin/Kingery”.

  5. I don’t know where to find average age for a league, but have seen it posted here before. The 3 guys at the top of the Lakewood line-up (Brito – turned 19 in January, Gamboa turns 20 in September – and Moniak – turns 19 in May) have to be very young for the league. Also have quite a bit of young pitching, though not this young except for Sanchez (turns 19 in July). The early returns are good, though with an extreme SSS, but it’s just so much fun to dream on what these guys could be.

    1. C Randolph is the second youngest player in the FSL and leads the league in home runs. Optimistic, he would make a great trade chip later this summer or next offseason

      1. Or a great outfielder in red pinstripes
        Also I believe he has 3 hits all of them HRs

  6. I’m not necessary a (Cesar) doubter or a hater but I’ve been vocal about trading Cesar while his value is HIGH – value includes years of control and current performance. I see Cesar as someone with no loud tools and limited ceiling — so he’s not a game changer type who can be a critical core of a team. Cesar will give you hits, gets on base and steal some bases. Cesar has 10 years of professional baseball (minors and majors) and you’ll see that the stats matched the skill set. When stats caught up with the physical abilities, it means that someone is already close to being a finished product and his ceiling.

    Yes, Cesar is improving, he’s improving from his mediocre performance to his actual abilities – is that a bad thing, just look at his 10 year stats.

    People will throw the WAR thing. But what WAR really means? In all the WAR definitions out there, I tend to concur with Fangraph’s definition of WAR. As per Fangraph’s definition — WAR offers an estimate to answer the question, “If this player got injured and their team had to replace them with a freely available minor leaguer or a AAAA player from their bench, how much value would the team be losing?”. WAR is not meant to be a perfectly precise indicator of a player’s contribution, but rather an estimate of their value to date. Given the imperfections of some of the available data and the assumptions made to calculate other components, WAR works best as an approximation.

    So given the options that the Phils down in the minors (as replacements – Valentin, Kingery, Brito – who has better tools and ceiling) and Cesar current value (as supported by WAR) — the Phils has a low ceiling asset that has current high value which they can afford to replace — so that’s “SELL” in a business sense.

    So what’s the worst case scenario? The replacements did not pan out (knock on wood) as expected, but 2B is the least valuable position and the Phils has $$ to sign any FA to cover the hole.

    1. KK – you and I will just part company here. I don’t agree that he was a mediocre player last year – he was a lot better than that – he was either the best or the second-best player on the team and his second half performance was outstanding – almost star level and it suggested that he had changed his approach and really figured things out; a conclusion supported by the anecdotal evidence of his changing his swing plane.

      I also don’t agree that he’s now at his peak of value and we better turn around and trade him quickly. His “body of work” has spoken to consistent improvements year-over-year in both offense and defense. He has also become physically stronger this past offseason and is driving the ball substantially better than before.

      Why would I rush to trade such a player, especially when the perception of this player has not yet matched his performance and he may not be done improving. If Cesar just matches his performance levels of last year (3-4 WAR), he will great improve his trade value and if he further improves, his trade value will be that much higher.

      Unless someone comes this year and makes them an offer which they cannot refuse, I’m holding on to Cesar for at least this year.

      1. Strangely I believe in both arguments from Catch and KuKo. I think the question that never gets answered in these Cesar debates is what is he worth?

        I look at the Jean Segura trade that the Mariners and the D-Backs executed. Does Cesar get us that type of player? Walker I mean?

        1. Segura was coming off a massive 5.6 WAR season, and the DBacks probably thought that was a huge fluke, considering he had 0.6 WAR total the previous 2 seasons. Walker looked to be failed prospect (2.6 WAR in 4 seasons in a pitcher’s park!) who needed a change of scenery.

          If Cesar comes close to 3 WAR again, he can definitely get back a player like Walker, but the real question is whether or not the Phillies would be willing to do it.

          Perhaps we should try to pry away Byron Buxton from the Twins as he’s looked downright awful and he has nothing left to prove in the minors.

          1. Buxton has flat out stunk at the plate to date and unless he is in centerfield he is close to no value
            If he continues to hit the way he has
            Is he a defensive replacement ?

            1. Buxton has been a consensus top 5 prospect so the talent is there. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. The Twins are in a bind with him, they need him to mash at the big league level, not in the minors.

        2. @DMAR – if I’m the GM, would love to have a Jose de Leon type but I will not be greedy. I believe that the Phils can fill the holes via FA and upper level prospects in the farm — so Comp Pick and multiple lottery prospects in the low minors can be considered – like what HOU did in acquiring Francis Martes (in Cosart deal) and David Paulino (in Jose Veras trade).

          The Cesar trade is polarizing because there are strong cases on both sides of the argument. But these factors need to be considered that i don’t see in the “keep Cesar” argument.

          a) Timeline — the Phils will contend not until 2019 reasonably at the earliest. If the Phils are contending now and in the coming years, then it make sense to keep a player currently performing like Hernandez. However, if the timeline is 2-3 years from now, is Hernandez still the better 2B than say Kingery, Valentin or a FA?

          b) Potential vs Hope – successful teams take risks – so why not take risks on assets that can yield higher returns? In Hernandez (low ceiling, high floor, safer type), you are betting on “Hope” that he will continue develop to a player beyond his physical skill set and 10-year stats say. Or bet on prospects with better physical skill set and spend $$ to develop that skill set to tap their ceiling.

      2. @catch – the caveat really is the “return” that the Phils will get and the Phils should avoid the pit hole that they should trade away just to create a spot for a prospect. but i want the Phils to be really assertive and creative to exploit the same visible attributes that most are seeing (i.e. WAR, improvements, consistent contact, OPB) and extract value while they can. Cesar is a gamble that the Phils can afford.

        I’m probably wrong to say the mediocre performance, but if you try to put numbers to your arguments that “he is improving” — the trend it will lead to will come in the same conclusion — Cesar is a player that can hit with less power, gets on base, steal some base but will be caught at above average rate. The X-factor will be Cesar defensive capability.

        Cesar is almost a finished product so any improvement are just marginal improvements.

        1. Cesar is faster than his caught stealing numbers last year show
          And apparently he is also clutch
          SSS ha ha

          1. JMJ also have better tools that his MLB career displayed, and in a lot of SSS, JMJ looked to be clutch.

    2. KuKo…..can understand your rational about his highest value as it stands is right now. Cesar turns 27 next month. So long term productivity is probably expected anywhere from 3 to 5 more years.
      His biggest offensive assets are speed and contact abilities at the plate.
      He will eventually lose the current apex of his speed as he ages.
      The only issue in trading him now, is….second baseman have very little trade value when you compare them to pitchers, CFers, catchers and shortstops.
      More then likely he would be added value to any trade.

      1. @romus – not necessarily advocating to trade Cesar ASAP — between trade deadline and off season should be best. The Phils showed loyalty to players based on what they did in the past — i just don’t want the FO to be overly cautious because of they saw an improved version of Cesar (Luis Garcia is an example). Foresight and vision should be considered in making decisions. Cesar will be close to 30 yo by time they compete, Cesar will be a tad slower and not sure if the high OBP will still hold.

        another point i mentioned is becoming too greedy in asking for a return. like you said, trade value of a 2B who is not a golden glove and not a power hitter will not command high return. the longer they hold Cesar, the short the controllable years. if the Phils can get a Comp Pick plus a couple of high risk high potential prospects in the low minors, I will pull the trigger.

  7. C Randolph’s 3 home runs seem like the most exciting news of the SSSSS. (Small-sample-size silly season.)

    Caveats aside, though, if Randolph does start showing decent power he suddenly becomes a really exciting prospect.

    1. My hope with C is that he isn’t selling out to tap into his over the wall power. Freddy is a classic example of a guy who sells out for power evidenced by his super low OBP

      I hate for C to change his game just because the noise surrounding him is his lack of HR power.

      1. DMAR……though SSS, the power is coming around, along with the Ks……33%(18-6) currently. Hopefully he finds a better mix this season.

  8. All of C’s hits are long balls. I will ignore for now the batting ave since we know that C can hit for average. The only I will worry about is that C will abandon the plate discipline in favor of hitting for power which is crucial for a LF position.

    1. I wasn’t looking at the BA I was looking at the K rate Romus so kindly points out above. It’s something I hate to see even in a SSS.

      1. @DMAR – i only referred to as plate discipline but i think we are saying the same thing about the K (not the BA).

  9. This is a small thing, but it’s been mystifying me. Can anyone explain why Tocci is batting 3rd and Pullin 2nd in Reading? Clearly Pullin has a lot more pop, & is the better hitter. I don’t get it.

    1. R-L-R-L would be my main guess. Wathan said pre-season that’s what he would try to do with IronPigs; maybe similar philosophy. Protects Tocci in the lineup a little, too, while still getting him increased at-bats.

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