Phuture Phillies 2017 Reader Top 30 Poll for #26

Andrew Pullin was your selection as the #25 prospect in the Phillies’ organization. Pullin received 71 of 307 votes (23%) for a plurality victory.  Carlos Tocci (56 votes, 18%) and Ricardo Pinto (54 votes, 18%) finished in a dead heat for second place.

Andrew Pullin was drafted by the Phillies in the 5th round of the 2012 MLB June Amateur Draft from Centralia High School (WA).  The high school outfielder and ambidextrous pitcher signed on June 14th, 2012.

Pullin started his professional career in the outfield with the Gulf Coast League Phillies.  He had a very good statistical season – .321/.403/.436/.838 in 160 PA/140 AB with, 10 XBH (2 HR), 12 BB (7.5 %), and 32 K (20.0% ). More important to the young prospect was the organization’s decision to convert him to a second baseman.  In his last eight games, Pullin played second base seven times and DH once.  (Note: the day before Pullin played his first game at second base, he played in left field.)  He committed one error for a .964 Fld%.

In 2013, Pullin continued his progression up the organizational ladder, one level per season.  He played second base for Williamsport.  His offense slackened a little as he posted a .261/.283/.412/.695 in 219 PA/211 AB with 21 XBH (3 HR), 7 BB (3.2%), and 37 K (16.9%).  Pullin committed just 5 errors for a .976 Fld%.

Assigned to Lakewood in 2014, Pullin rebounded a little with a .270/.332/.374/.706 in 544 PA/492 AB with 30 XBH (9 HR), 61 RBI, 41 BB (7.5%), and 95 K (17.5%).  He committed 26 errors for a .951 Fld%.

In 2015, the second base project was over and Pullin returned to left field for all but one game at first base.  It looked like he realized that his offensive profile had changed and Pullin hit a career high 14 home runs.  He posted a .258/.300/.396/.696 in 529 PA/493 AB with 36 XBH (14 HR), 73 RBI, 24 BB (4.5%), and 76 K (14.4%).

In 2016, after the Phillies Futures Games, Pullin abruptly retired on April 9th after his assignment to Clearwater.  A month later, on May 10th, Pullin signed a free agent contract with the Phillies and reported to Clearwater.  After 36 games, he was promoted to Reading. He had posted a .293/.320/.476/.796 in 153 PA/147 AB with 17 XBH (4 HR), 19 RBI, 5 BB (3.3%), and 19 K (12.4%).

In Reading, Pullin went on a tear.  In 206 PA/188 AB, he slashed .346/.393/.559/.952 with 20 XBH (10 HR), 32 RBI, 13 BB (6.3%), and 36 K (17.5%).

I watched Pullin during his time in Clearwater.  I observed the frequency with which he swung at the first pitch.  He put a lot of them in play.  There were many games where he would come to bat for the 4th time and have only seen 3-4 pitches in his first 3 at bats. Even so, for a free swinger, Pullin does not strike out much.  His highest ratio was the 20% he logged in Williamsport.  Still he managed a 6.3% walk rate in Reading while slugging .559 with 10 home runs.

It remains to be seen if Pullin can maintain the power profile of a corner outfielder.  I guess there will forever be questions why the Phillies moved him off second base where his offensive profile played up well.

With an outfield of Williams-Quinn-Cozens likely in Lehigh Valley, Pullin will probably find himself in Reading again where he will play everyday waiting for an outfield domino to fall in Philadelphia, whether by trade or injury.

Next up is your selection for the #26 prospect in the organization.

 

Poll to date –

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Jorge Alfaro
  3. Mickey Moniak
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Nick Williams
  6. Franklyn Kilome
  7. Sixto Sanchez
  8. Rhys Hoskins
  9. Dylan Cozens
  10. “C” Randolph
  11. Scott Kingery
  12. Kevin Gowdy
  13. Harold Arauz
  14. Andrew Knapp
  15. Jhailyn Ortiz
  16. Adonis Medina
  17. Mark Appel
  18. Nick Pivetta
  19. Ben Lively
  20. Alberto Tirado
  21. Elniery Garcia
  22. Nick Fanti
  23. Cole Stobbe
  24. Drew Anderson
  25. Andrew Pullin

57 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2017 Reader Top 30 Poll for #26

  1. I definitely penciled Pullin in at Reading but I have Eshelman written in magic marker for the next slot.

  2. So Tocci, who wins the Venezuelan League MVP, plays a premium position on defense of MLB caliber, albeit a slight tick below offensively from a power standpoint, gets a lower % of votes as a “prospect” than Andrew Pullin? A 5th outfielder ceiling!? Tocci as early ago as 2015 was our organizations #5 overall prospect on both MLB.com & Baseball America. I am fairly certain Pullin has not even cracked their rankings. As someone stated before, thank goodness this is only for fun.

    1. I believe Tocci was Rookie of the Year not MVP, and he slugged a whopping .392. It is good to see him with an excellent OBP (.403) however. When is he gonna add that muscle we’ve all been waiting for?

    2. I’ll bet now that Pullin has a better major league career than Tocci. I’ve been told Pullin can hit “any fastball”. Pullin looks like a guy who will be a 5th OF but terrific pinch hitter. Tocci looks like a 4A guy to me. I hope I’m wrong because he is a gliding CF and is a treat to watch in the OF

    1. Clearly a defensive Pullin voter. And “5th OF corner only” defensive voter. Not a premium up the middle MLB caliber voter.

      1. LOL I’m just joshing yah! I do put Pullin ahead of Tocci. I haven’t given up on Tocci he has done everything they’ve asked him to do except for get stronger.

        Still just 21 and about to play at AA bodes well for him to use this season as a Spring Board. But let’s face it their is a high OPS bar for CF and if he can’t OPS better than the 6 hundreds in the minors he is not an everyday MLB player.

        1. What did you think about the interesting comment from (sorry don’t remember) that it might bode well for the organization to give Tocci a year off to focus on strength, and that the rigors of at-least-three-season baseball are harmful to the goal of increasing body mass (with apologies for incorrect paraphrasing)?

          1. I’m not a believer in that IHEART let him keep playing and let nature take its course. I’m guessing most of us gained some weight on our in our 20’s.

          2. Since I think Tocci is a minor league free agent after this season, it seems like it would be a bad idea to have him take the year off.

          3. If they want him to take time off, then he can take the special vitamins and be given an official break.

        2. DMAR…back to Tocci’s winter ball metrics….almost 250 PAs with a .795 OPS….now there you go…its climbing to new heights.

      1. DMAR and Blanket are having Fruit Loops in their parents basement right now wearing Jeff Jackson and Chad McConnell T-shirt jerseys.

            1. Okay, so subtlety didn’t work. Be careful making comments that can be construed as personal attacks on my readers and the people who comment here. I’ll be monitoring your future comments.

          1. It seems like since I first found PP five or six years ago Tocci has always been in the discussion. I have optimistically hoped that the strength would come and that the speed that was mentioned early in his minor league career might help him to develop into a singles hitter with good base stealing ability – this never seemed to grow. I guess I’ve followed him so long, and he still is fairly young that I’d still like to have hope. That being said I’ve never seen him in person, and I respect your judgment – you really think he has no chance at a major league career?

            1. Tocci was voted in on a later poll. While doing his write up, I referred my comment here and that I felt I needed to remain open minded on Tocci.

              Physically, I still don’t see a major league ball player. BUT, the Phillies obviously see something in him. Tocci always seems to recover from a bad season, and he has spent his whole career playing against much older players.

              I have altered my position. I now concede that he may have a major league career. But with Herrera signed, several outfield prospects blocking him, and the Phillies still likely to add a corner OF bat through free agency when they are ready to contend for a playoff spot, Tocci may end up making the majors with another organization.

  3. After today, will I really be the only Grullon voter? I mean, with his defense, he’s at least going to be a no-bat all-defense backup catcher. Right?

    And that’s his floor. I have his dreamable ceiling as average catcher, with his most likely outcome being below average/second division regular. Is that way off?

    Or is his bat so bad he might not even be a backup?

    1. One thing I love about this exercise of ranking players is that it causes you to go back and actually check the statistics you assumed you knew. And when you do that, sometimes you get a new take on things.

      I looked at Grullon’s numbers in Lakewood, saw his age, and know of his defensive reputation. I now agree that we are underselling him as a group. I think he should be in the conversation soon. He had a decent year at Lakewood as a 20 year-old catcher and the hitting numbers improved nicely from the previous year. I also give catchers extra rope in their developmental time as hitters. Catching is such a demanding position that it makes it difficult for players to simultaneously focus on their hitting as much as other position players do. Consequently, you get a lot of catchers who are late bloomers as hitters, which is what we saw from Rupp and Ruiz and what I think Knapp is experiencing now. So, yeah, there may be quite a bit more coming from Grullon as hitter.

      Thanks for the heads up.

    2. Rei,

      I’ve got Grullon on my personal list, but I’m voting Valentin until he makes the Phuture Phillies list.

      My hunch is that Grullon improves offensively this year and vaults up the rankings.

      BTW, I also have Tocci on my list but below Valentin based on 1) Valentin’s proximity and 2) Tocci’s batting question marks, though I’m looking of improvement this year.

      As I’ve said before, Grullon and Tocci are both on my watch list for breaking out this year.

  4. I went Eshelman here. I think he makes the Majors. On Tocci, why do I have the feeling that Pitchers will knock the bat out of his hands as he gets to higher levels? I’m glad he had a good Venezuelian season and I know he is a premier Defensive CF, but he has to be able to hit. It seems like we have been debating him forever. If this is a dumb statement, I apologize in advance. But, I had a friend in HS many years ago who was very slight of build. He still is today, 45 years later. But, he was one of the strongest people I knew. He became a top jockey and had a long career. Tocci’s ability to put on weight is different than his ability to gain strength. Am I wrong?

    1. I’m no physiologist, but I understand what you are saying. There are some people that do not weigh that much, but are really strong. I think this applies to baseball players too – Roman Quinn probably does not weigh all that much, but he’s wiry and you can tell he’s super strong. Likewise, I recall Eric Davis of the Reds, who was wiry but he had a lot of that quick twitch muscle strength which is what you need for hitting.

      My issue with Tocci is that, having seen him up close, he doesn’t seem to be one of those wiry strong guys – I’m not saying he’s truly weak, but he has low muscle tone and I’m not sure you can change that. Anyway, we both share concerns about big league pitchers throwing him inside and knocking the bat out of his hands.

    2. Totally agree Matt. I still play mens softball and I see some of the lankiest of guys hit the furthest balls. Genetically they can have superior fast twitch muscles even though they appear to be slight.

      1. And to Catch’s point that doesn’t tend to manifest itself over night. You would typically expect to see it at 18-19-20

    3. I’m one of the few okay with Tocci being of slight build, he needs to play to his strengths, maybe putting on too much muscle doesn’t fit his natural body type and will hurt his game and take away from his strengths. what if someone told ichiro when he was younger, dude you need to be jacked to have success. obviously they have different games but muscle and weight isn’t the answer to everything.

      We need power guys and contact guys for a balanced lineup. It’s not like he’s a total weakling, he has improved his power numbers each season and did hit 26 doubles in Clearwater.

      i agree gaining weight and strength is not the same. Sometimes you dont have to try to hit the ball through a wall, if he can make good contact the pitcher’s power will provide the velocity off the bat. he just needs to work on his functional strength for hitting.

  5. I was goi g to vote for Pinto yet again when I decided to vote for Brito. I have a hunch that a year from now Brito will be much farther up this list.

  6. It’s going to be close again for Tocci, this time Pinto taking a slight lead in early voting. I was high on Pinto before last season but to be fair he was young for Reading. I think he has better stuff than Severino with a good change and fastball but I see so many guys in our system have success in the lower leagues with killer numbers then hit that wall of competition in Reading and AAA.
    This is a big season for Pinto, I think he is a starter again at Reading but he could also be moved to the bullpen later given how many arms we have. I like Pinto, I see him as a bullpen arm in our system though, maybe future middle reliever in the bigs.
    I voted Tocci again but also hope to see guys like Seranthany, JoJo get a few votes.

  7. I went with Pinto.

    Food for thought – the depth of this system has been discussed over and over, and just looking at the poll above I think that’s pretty apparent. There are going to be actual, projectable prospects not making the top 30.

    I think it’s an amazing turnaround for the system, although the one critique may be that there’s not a whole lot of “impact” talent. Also, we’re already seeing the effects of a roster crunch. Even if the major league club isn’t fully ready to compete, do you guys think it’s worth exploring a trade if the right guy becomes available? I’ll use Jose Quintana as an example, just because it’s been rumored he’s available and fits a need (young, TOR LHP, cost controlled). Do you think we see the Phils to start being aggressive? We simply don’t have room for all these guys, and packaging some of them together to grab someone a the big league level – even if it’s a bit “ahead of schedule” – seems logical to me.

    1. kevin – it is possible, but the CHISOX will ask for the upper end of the prospect list. they will start with JPC-Alfaro-Kilome-Sanchez. Lively, Knapp, Top 20-30 guys wont give you a Quintana.

      1. Agree with that, I was more using Quintana as an example of the type of guy (team expressed willingness to trade, fits a need, cost controlled) rather than someone they should target. I agree he’d be a huge haul. Should’ve made that clearer in the post. Thanks for the response!

        1. Young and cost controlled TOR can make a dent in any teams farm system. With the plethora of young and cost controlled SPs, the Phils just need a proven TOR (preferably LHP) that will go out every 5 days and dominate like Doc and Cliff Lee and anchor the young and developing SPs in VV #2, Nola #3, Eickhoff #4 and possible Jake #5 — so young and cost controlled is nice but not really necessary.

          Also, the Phils is also not just a TOR away to be a serious contender so its prudent for the Phils not to give up assets just to jump start the rebuild. Like the Sixers, the Phils just need to develop their young core and see what they have and fill out the holes with big FA signings.

          1. I’ll jump this over to GD but let’s entertain ourselves with this “Guys you would trade Alfaro for straight up”

            Don’t post here…

  8. I was just glad someone brought up as a comp for Tocci, Greg Gross. Not that I see the similarities–Gross never was a plus defender–but Gross hit 7 HRs….in 17 years. How is that even possible? You’d think just by luck you’d have more than one every year three years.

    I also hadn’t realized Gross played ten seasons for the Phils. He only averaged less than 200 ABs per year, mostly as a pinch-hitter, but ten years is a long time to be a 4-5 OF.

    I also didn’t realize Gross’ listed weight was 160, on a 5’10 frame. He never seemed that slight to me.

    Anyway, I don’t agree with the Gross-Tocci comp, but it was a fun stroll down memory lane seeing GG’s name mentioned.

    1. Greg Gross was inexplicably one of my favorite players growing up. I think it was the glasses.

    2. Greg Gross played in what I like to refer to as the “Oberkfell” (for Ken Oberkfell) years when, aside from home runs, the biggest thing that everyone looked for was batting average, although I think the teams did pay attention to fielding and base running too. Also, every team had a dedicated pinch hitter and Gross was the guy for the Phillies. Rusty Staub was that guy for the Mets. Manny Mota was the guy for the Dodgers. These were guys who could roll out of bed in December and hit a single through the middle – and because they rarely played in the field and their base running wasn’t especially important, many of them played for a long time. Their position has effectively been eliminated by the addition of more relief pitchers to the modern baseball staff. When staffs had 10 men and not 12, you could carry a pinch hitter and an extra utility player.

      It’s just a bygone era. That said, interestingly, both Oberkfell and Gross were not bad players. Oberkfell played to a 22 WAR and Gross played to a 12 WAR – not bad considering the number of at bats he had.

      But the other odd thing about these guys is that many of them don’t physically resemble the ballplayers of today. Here’s the link to Greg Gross’s baseball reference – he looked a lot more like Walter White than today’s typical player. But he wasn’t alone – there were a ton of guys like this in the 70s and 80s. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grossgr01.shtml

  9. I’ll pass of talking about Tocci since we’ve been doing that for a long time. Where is V1again when you need him.

    1. If the Top 30 ends up following today’s survey results so far, 26 through 30 will be Pinto, Tocci, Eshleman, Valentin and Pujols.

      Left out would be Arano, Brito, Jo Jo Romero, Viza, Canelo and Grullon, all guys who arguably are prospects and who have made prospect lists, including Canelo, Grullon and Arano on our very own Top 30 last year.

      Then you have guys worth watching to become more likely prospects: Numata, Stephen, Kyle Martin, Suarez, Cole Irvin, Dominguez, Darick Hall and Austin Bossart among them.

      And that doesn’t count the young Latin American players who showed promise at GCL

      Is that depth, or what?

      1. you can go 50-60 deep with still good names out there even you exclude the 2 DSL teams.

        I think Brito will make it after Pinto, Tocci and Eshelman with Valentin (showing some good support here) rounding up the Top 30.

      2. Seriously under-rated guy on your list is Brito, who should definitely be top 30 and probably top 20. Arano also is definitely worthy of top 30. The list has been jumbled a bit by two elected on a stuffed ballot box and many of us voting for our favorite guy repeatedly as he sunk way down the list. On your list of guys who will make it, I think Pujols leads the list.

        1. Allentown,

          Good point. If you take out the ballot-stuffed prospects, Arano and Brito make the list.

    1. Yeah, he was a nice pinch hitter and a good overall player too boot. Blanco is super because he can pinch hit and play middle infield, as well as provide a boost in the clubhouse – that’s a helpful dude to have around.

      1. and whitey can play back up catcher too! i hope that he is younger soe the phils can develop him to be an emergency pitcher if the game goes past 15 innings.

  10. I have no issue with the fact that Tocco still lacks power, and may never have it. However, he is still young and by most accounts has above average skills everywhere else.
    So I see a possible backup OF (almost on defense alone) who may get power to add to his hit tool to be a second rate starter. Jiwan James was supposedly a super defensive OF but never made the show. Tocci will have to earn a 40man spot this year or he will be taking the free agent route.

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