Phuture Phillies 2017 Reader Top 30 Poll for #25

Drew Anderson was your selection as the #24 prospect in the Phillies’ organization. Anderson received 67 of 328 votes (20%) for a plurality victory.  Carlos Tocci (48 votes, 15%), Andrew Pullin (40 votes, 12%), and Ricardo Pinto (37 votes, 11%) followed in the next three positions.  

Drew Anderson was drafted by the Phillies in the 21st round of the 2012 MLB June Amateur Draft from Galena West High School (NV).  The right-handed pitcher signed with the Phillies on June 24th, 2012.

Anderson pitched at each of the organization’s lower affiliates during his first three seasons.  He made 8 appearances for the GCL Phillies in 2012.  In 22.2 innings, Anderson walked 10 (3.97 BB/9), struck out 16 (6.4 K/9), and logged a 4.76 ERA.

In 2013 with Williamsport, Anderson posted a 6-3 record with a 2.00 ERA in 15 starts.  He pitched 76.1 innings, walked 20 (2.4 BB/9), and struck out 54 (6.4 K/9).

Due to injury, Anderson didn’t start the 2014 season in Lakewood until late April.  After nine starts, he ended up on the disabled list.  Six weeks later he was shut down after two rehab appearances in the GCL.  In his shortened season, Anderson pitched 44.0 innings, recorded a 3.68 ERA, walked 15 (3.1 BB/9) and struck out 46 (9.4 K/9).

Anderson sat out the 2015, rehabbing from surgery.  He returned to action in May 2016 with Lakewood.  He went 1-3 with a 3.38 ERA in 37.1 innings, 12 walks (2.9 BB/9) and 41 strike outs (9.9 K/9) for a Lakewood team that struggled in the first half.  But he progressed enough to merit a mid-season promotion to Clearwater.  Anderson participated in a combined no-hitter in his first start, he left after 4.0 innings due to a rain delay.  He continued to pitch well through out the remainder of the season.  Anderson went 2-1 in 8 starts, 32.2 innings.  He walked 10 (2.8 BB/9) and struck out 37 (10.2 K/9).

Eric Longenhagen and others reported Anderson’s fastball in a range of 88-91, touching 92 mph back in 2014.  Gkita had reported him to be 90-92 mph in April 2016 before he reported to Lakewood.  When he was stretched out a little more and reported to Clearwater, Anderson threw mostly fastballs while setting up his curve ball which he spotted well.  His fastball in the 5 starts I saw ran 89-95, touching 96 or 97 mph in 3 of those outings.  I would say that he sat comfortably 92-94 mph.

Next up is your selection for the #25 prospect in the organization.  Sorry for the late posting.  My ISP was pretty bad again.  Hope they provide better customer services at the ball park than they do with my cable and internet.

 

Poll to date –

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Jorge Alfaro
  3. Mickey Moniak
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Nick Williams
  6. Franklyn Kilome
  7. Sixto Sanchez
  8. Rhys Hoskins
  9. Dylan Cozens
  10. “C” Randolph
  11. Scott Kingery
  12. Kevin Gowdy
  13. Harold Arauz
  14. Andrew Knapp
  15. Jhailyn Ortiz
  16. Adonis Medina
  17. Mark Appel
  18. Nick Pivetta
  19. Ben Lively
  20. Alberto Tirado
  21. Elniery Garcia
  22. Nick Fanti
  23. Cole Stobbe
  24. Drew Anderson

30 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2017 Reader Top 30 Poll for #25

  1. Operator error on my part, or is something wrong with the ability to vote. If I could figure out how, I would vote for Valentin.

      1. I like Eshelman but Anderson has shown a steady progression in his yearly development even with an injury setting him back. Marked increase in velocity. Eshelman is a right handed Jamie Moyer, which isn’t bad but demands guile and craftiness. Guys like him become more effective in their later years. Not sure Eshelman has that luxury with such a deep crop of arms in this organization.

        1. For me Anderson over Eshelman would be the ceiling for these guys. Eshelman has a better floor or more dependable with great control. Anderson is one who is like a sleeper candidate who has a chance to surprise and have a breakout year. But it is a good quandary and glad that both are in the system. I also look at the names and there is not a lot that separates #20 from #30 and not a drop off at #40

        2. It’s not fair to Eshelman to compare him to Moyer (nor is it entirely fair to Moyer – who was one hell of a pitcher). Eshelman is not a speedballer, but he’s also not a super soft tosser. He was in the low 90s last year, touching 94. By way of comparison, he throws notably harder than guys like Bronson Arroyo did or Kyle Hendricks does – for that matter, he throws harder than Kyle Kendrick did.

          But I agree with you that we need to give Eshelman time to develop. I’m pretty bullish on him because guys with 80 FB command don’t just fall off the truck and I think he’s in the process of developing his breaking pitches which he will likely command pretty well too. It may take a little time, however.

      2. May be wrong on this…but IMO it may be a poster’s preference between ceiling vs proximity…which seems to be one of the most basic assertions for every poll’s final make-up.

      3. Anderson’s overall pitching arsenal is far above Eshelman with the exception of command attribute — so I agree that ceiling is the big separator between the 2 that’s why Anderson is protected eventhough he is in the same level as Eshelman.

        As far as proximity, I think they are close to one another and reach the majors almost at the same time. Actually, Anderson can already help a MLB team (if needed) coming from the pen with his mid-90s and potentially plus CB.

        1. KuKo….well they are both at the same age (23) and level (assuming AA) so the comparison between their pitching skills will manifest itself soon enough.

          1. @romus – agree! Eshelman normally is the type of pitcher that hangs around with the league for 10 years and serves more of a “complimentary” piece. Anderson has the frame to add more velocity and age to develop his 2 other pitches (SL and CU) — Anderson may develop into a Phils’ version of Jacob DeGrom — a TJ survivor that flew under the prospect radar and has a mid-90s heater, a plus breaking ball, 2 other at least ave pitch and a plus command.

  2. I know Tocci has had for year a strong cadre of support on this site. And after his terrific off-season, his bandwagon continues to grow.

    And I’m not sure if any prospect on this site has received more attention than Tocci. Part of that is because he’s been a prospect seemingly forever. And part of that is because we’ve been waiting for him to add strength and fill out his frame for five years now.

    But I just can’t vote for him especially when bona fide prospects are still on the board. Valentin, Viza, Thomas Eshelman, Ricardo Pinto, Victor Arano, Falter, Seranthony Dominguez, Pullin all have superior upside than Tocci.

    That said, t is pretty crazy that we’re at the tail-end of this poll, and we still have so many talented prospects for whom to vote. I went Eshelman again. Judging from previous polls, he might not even make our Top 30, which is incredible to me.

    1. The ongoing interest in Tocci seems to be the biggest phenomenon of this site. Don’t get it. Especially with all the upside prospects in the organization to talk about. He’s become a folk hero. Stop!

      1. Meh I went Pullin but Tocci doesn’t rile me up anymore. If history shows us anything we are all bearing witness to Freddy Galvis who was basically the same guy around here for many years.

        I mean just look at the parallels

      2. I’m not at all sure why you see Tocci at #25 as crazy and somehow a unique aberration of those on this site. Winkelman also has Tocci at #25, and I’d be very surprised if BA doesn’t have him top 30. Tocci is very young and has continued to improve. He is a plus to plus-plus defensive CF.

        1. Allentown, I just don’t see that a player whose ceiling projects as a 4th or 5th OF (which is comparable to a pitching prospect projecting to be a middle inning reliever) warrants all the chatter. I don’t take issue with his actual ranking in a poll.

          1. But that is not his ceiling. He still has a ceiling as a starting MLB CF. And Fredo is right, Ender Inciarte isn’t a bad comp.

            1. I guess their minor league metrics are somewhat close:
              Tocci:
              PAs- 2219……259/.310/ .637
              Inciarte:
              PAs-2578……..284/.345/.717

      3. well don’t hold it against him that people like his prospects. people liking him is not a bad thing. he’s grown at a reasonable rate and i think the comp is ender inciarte which is good. i mean we’re talking about voting him for 25th, its not like we’re trying to place him in the top 10 or 15.

      4. What’s funny with Tocci is just as he has a number of committed supports he seems to have just as many ardent detractors who insist he’s not a prospect.

        Can’t say I’m an committed supporter but I am willing to look at a 22 year old player who scouts say is a major league center fielder defensively and continue to hope that his offense catches up.

        At 25th on the prospect list, he’s not a surprising choice.

    2. I went with Eshleman as well, but, honestly, at this point, Pinto, Eshelmen, Tocci, Pullin, Valentin and even Falter and Dominguez are all defensible picks (and Gamboa would be too if he were listed in the poll options) – there’s not much separating these prospects.

      1. Pujols is interesting, but he has to get his Ks and plate discipline under control for me to take him seriously as a prospect. Let’s see what he does this year. Certainly, the power appears to very much be real.

  3. Pinto again. I have him close with the other SP prospects in the 40-man who are already voted. Tocci is my #30, he is a MiLB free agent next year and way below the CF depth chart. We may not see Tocci with the Phils next year.

  4. Question about the glut of starting pitchers in Lakewood and Clearwater next season, how do you guys see it playing out? There are a bunch of guys who deserve a chance to be starters but not enough slots. Some guys will have to move to the bullpen.

  5. Fangraphs posted the ZiPS projections for the Phillies today: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-zips-projections-philadelphia-phillies/

    As described, “ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.”

    Essentially it attempts to project what each player would produce in the majors in 2017. By way of example, here are some OPS+ projections for prospects:

    Rhys Hoskins (in his age-24 season): 100 (i.e., league-average OPS if he played in the majors in 2017)
    Brock Stassi (in his age 27 season): 94
    Andrew Pullin (in his age 23 season): 92
    Jorge Alfaro (in his age 24 season): 73
    Scott Kingery (in his age 23 season): 73
    Carlos Tocci (in his age 21 season): 71
    Tyler Goeddel (in his age 24 season): 70
    Malquin Canelo (in his age 22 season): 59

    The article has projected K rates, BB rates, etc., etc. So for example what ZiPS is saying is that Rhys Hoskins would likely be a significant better hitter than Jorge Alfaro if both played in the majors in 2017 — and both are the same age, of course. A triple slash (AVG, OBP, SLG) of .245/.315/..424 for Hoskins and a triple slash of .225/.267/..372 for Alfaro

    The projections for Kingery and Tocci are very, very close. K rate, BB rate, ISO and triple slash projections are:

    Kingery: 20.8%/4.8%/.095/.247/.291/.343
    Tocci: 20.3%/4.8%/.087/.249/..289/.337

  6. Just to be clear, if ZiPS is close to accurate in this case, that would be bad news for Kingery. Having the same projection as Tocci means that ZiPS sees Tocci as a far better hitting prospect, because he is two years younger (remember, the projection is for 2017). That is not good for Kingery. ZiPS is pretty good on an overall basis, but let’s hope it is wrong about Kingery.

    The Inciarte comp for Tocci is interesting, and not one that I had considered before. Here are their age 20 seasons, both with a full season at the same level (in A ball):

    Inciarte: .262/.333/.333 with a K rate of 11.5% and a BB rate of 9.1%; 26 SB and 15 CS
    Tocci: .284/.331/.362 with a K rate of 13.7% and a BB rate of 6.1%; 13 SB and 6 CS

    Based on that apples-to-apples comparison, Inciarte was a bit better at the same age, IMO. Of course, Inciarte has put up 12.7 WAR in three seasons (ages 23 – 25) . . .

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